How unattractive are we talking about?

>>5815591
4/10, 5 on a good day.

>>5815596
It could be alot worse then that

bottom or top though?

>>5815603
*shrugs*

>>5815606
ur done for

>>5815606
Thats the spirit!

I dont even see myself as unattractive but I'm still lonely as hell

I'm getting surgery to fix what I'm not happy with.
It's that or commit suicide. And I have a plan for that.

>>5815584
Dude, as a gay man you can be ugly as a sin and still get laid. Men in general are horny all the time. Straight men have to go through female bs to fuck, but when there are no vags involved the lewdness just runs free everywhere.

There are two things that can keep you from getting sex: way too high standards, and lack of self assurance.

>>5815714
I don't like obesity,(excessive)body hair and height over 170cm and thats it. Are those high standards?

>>5815721
>I don't like obesity...
Understandable.
>... height over 170cm...
Gay manlets everywhere, rejoice.
>... and (excessive) body hair.
What counts as "excessive?" Zangief's chest rug? Jamie Farr back in his MASH days?

>>5815714
Where do ugly guys go to find people who will fuck them?

What do I do if I cant hold a conversation?

>>5815714
You have things backwards, men are visual so if you are ugly you can get laid by other uggos but if you are really ugly you can't get laid by anyone because even the uggos want those that are higher up then them.
With women its more about your assertiveness and actions, so a woman that first finds you ugly can be persuaded by how you act, your body language. With gay men its all about fitting the prewritten script that they have, so they hand you the script and if you don't fit the role down to a t you can't ride the rides.

>>5815721
The heighr thing might be the only problem, just because men in general tend to be taller than that. But those are ok standards.
>>5816047
I guess you're shy, so apps are your only choice.

Watch videos about how to hold a conversation. I'm serious. They give good advice.


>>5816084
Those are literally excuses, anon. Straight guys who can't get any say the exact same thing about women.

Yes, you have to work a bit harder if you are ugly. But you still can do it.

>>5815584
Gays are superficial but they're also still men, so...

>>5816100
If they say the same thing about women they would be wrong. A males arousal pattern is visual, which is why you see so much compartmentalizing with gay men. Twinks, bears, otters, cubs, daddies, clean cut, and on and on.
A straight man have the same thing but doesn't have a name for their preferences. They might like big tits, small tits, short girls, tall girls, blondes, brunettes, skinny, chubby, big hips, square hips, and on and on. They don't care that much about personality which is why they later regret relationships, as long as their visual appeal is fulfilled they are happy.

Same with gay men. Straight women can be persuaded by words and actions, which is why you see beautiful women with average guys. Failed straight men think it has to do with dick size, height or a big wallet, but its about actions and assertiveness. The feeling that you can provide and protect.

Gay men are the most shallow out of the group because they want sex and they want sex to be exactly as they have preplanned it. With a guy that looks so and so and is top or bottom, everything has to be pre-planned and arranged beforehand, nothing can or will be changed through actions or assertiveness.

>>5816111
You are missing the other half of it, anon.

Yes, men are visual, but most of the times that only determines how interested they will be in you right away. So of course, if you're good looking you will have it easier.

But saying the right things and pushing the right buttons does work with men. Even women do it. Yes, you will have to work harder, and you will get rejected, but eventually you will find someone who will give in (and trust me, it doesn't take that long)

t. An ugly slut

>>5816190
Must be if you want to bottom then I guess. The other way people have preferences for penis size, muscle size, hair, this and that. If one thing is lacking its communication over.

>>5815584

>Not the prettiest face, but 10/10 body
>Getting only a few matches on Tinder every day
>Try out Grindr for shits and giggles
>Literally hundreds of dudes want my dick

Being gay is so fucking easy OP. You're either dogshit ugly or fat

>>5815714
Na, I'd say he has a worse chance.
IMO, a 5/10 guy had a higher chance of getting with an 8/10 girl then a 5/10 gay has a chance of getting with an 8/10 girl, but an 8/10 gay will have a way easier time getting with another 8/10 then an 8/10 guy would have trying to get an 8/10 girl.

>>5815606
if you're willing to learn how to bottom you can basically find whatever

Im forever alone too
and I dont even have an excuse

I know that feel bro.

Though I had sex a couple of times, so I'll just die lonely.

>>5816329
You can't objectively rank people attractiveness like that though, because everyone has diffferent tastes. Even when among gays being a white bearded guy will generallly increase your likelyhood to be found attractive, it is still a really loose description and it can people still have different preferences within that group.

I've seen many times guys labeling oher guys as 10/10 when for me they were 5/10 at best, and viceversa

So when you say "I'm a 4/10" you need to keep in mind that you're really a 4/10 according to some people's definition of attractiveness, while you most likely are a 8/10 according to others.

It is true that are traits that are generally perceived as less desirable, but it is also true that there are people who think the same traits are attractive, and even more people who simply don't care about them.

Basically, you have to accept that not everyone is going to think you're good looking, but at the same time you have keep in mind that some people will.

And usually, those less desirable traits are thinks that can be fixed. Like being overweight or having a bad haircut or needing to take better care of your skin (usually tied with being overweight, since your skin will get healthier if you eat healthier).

>>5815714
100% wrong. Women are less persuaded by looks than men. Men, straight or gay, don't give a shit about personality, intelligence, or wealth. For woman, a man can usually compensate for his ugliness. For a man, you either you look good or you don't.

>>5816420
some traits like asymmetricallity and exaggerated features are bad in anyones eyes

also you can still be fit, have a good haircut, have good skin and still be ugly

(never had bad skin, do cardio, ottermode body, literally never even kissed a guy)

>>5816422
>Men, straight or gay, don't give a shit about personality, intelligence, or wealth.

So no man ever has been turnd off by someone being an asshole? Or lacking ambition? Or being overly jealous or controlling?

So no straight man ever has found the fact that he thinks a woman would be a good mother attractive? or that she's independent? or funny?

You mean no ugly woman ever found love? got married? had sex?

If you can honestly answer 'no' then you clearly have talked to really few people irl, and are suffering of confirmation bias because the few ones you met happened to fit your way of thinking, because that literally happens all the time.

>>5816435
>literally never even kissed a guy
And what have you done to accomplish that? Have you actively tried to make someone want to kiss you, or are you waiting that some guy will see you across the room and for some reason decide he will kiss you, have sex with you and love you forever?

>>5816454
>And what have you done to accomplish that

tried making friends at college so id meet someone, joined societies including an LGBT one where i met people, the things that work for everyone else

>>5816468
that's not nearly enough at all. What about flirting? asking someone out? letting them know you are interested?

If you just went there and sit down and expected someone to simply approach you, then of course it won't work. That's the only advantage people who are generally considered good looking have: they tend to be approached more. And it's fairly obvious, since no one can fall in love with your personality if they don't know you.

>>5816482
i approached people for the purpose of getting to know them
after a while you can tell they dont like you, when they start turning away or flat out ignore you to talk to someone else
ive never gotten to a stage with anyone where id consider asking them out, our interactions always fizzle out before than and its clear how not into me he is

>>5816454
The thing is, men overlook personality at first hand because they are more interested in the surface level, and that goes for most of your points. Men pick someone who would be a good mother firstly from appearance, wide hips etc. Then later in a relationship, when the everyday sets in they start seeing personality and stuff they don't like or either break out or remain stuck until divorce.

Within heterosexual dynamics men are to approach women, because women are turned on by mannerisms, body language, confidence and assertiveness.

>>5816482
Gay men don't want to be flirted with by someone they don't immediately fin attractive, nor asked out, nor interested in being told another is interested.
They want to have a schematic approach down to the last period. You need to be top/bottom, hair/hairless, so and so, and you need to absolute fit.
There is a reason why such a large percentage of gay men are single for life and it has nothing to do with lack of trying, it has to do with gay mens preferences which are fine and people are allowed to have whatever preferences they like even strange ones such as no cocks under 8 inches. But when you are already in a limited dating pool its limiting yourself even more.

Basically as a ugly gay man you can hope that another ugly man takes pity on you and you are both comfortable with building something on not-attraction but having to settle.

>>5815584
just see an escort m8ey

>>5816491
Well, that's great. Use those failures as experience. Try to forget for a moment about your physical appareance and try to find something else that could have make them lose interest.

Did you provide a good conversation? did you ask an inappropiate question? Did you come off as desperate? Were you not feeling confident enough and they might have noticed that?

And more importantly, did you made the same mistake more than once, with different people?

In a way, you have to think of yourself as a product you're trying to sell. If people isn't buying it, work on improving it, work on your marketing skills, try to show them why they are missing out for not buying it (without relying on cockiness since most people find that really unnattractive)

Wether we like it or not, it takes work to get what we want, and yes we're going to fail dozens of times before we succeed. Those are things we just have to accept, and calling everyone else shallow is not the way to do it. I'm pretty sure you don't consider yourself as shallow as you think other gay guys are (and if you do, then either work on fixing that or don't complain about shallow people)

>tfw average as hell image
>Can't complain about being undesirable because I'm not John Merrick
>awful literal autistic personality
>Not autistic enough to be non self aware about autism and actually happy


I literally record all of the ratings I get on soc. 6.61 is the current average

>>5815584
my last two boyfriends have been 'objectively' unattractive, or at least not by conventional opinions. Don't worry, a lot of people value other things higher

>>5816511
>The thing is, men overlook personality at first hand because they are more interested in the surface level
>at first

That's exactly what I'm saying. If looks are not in your favour, you have to make them overlook them. It won't always work, but it really does oten enough.

>>5816511
>Gay men don't want to be flirted with by someone they don't immediately fin attractive, nor asked out, nor interested in being told another is interested.
>They want to have a schematic approach down to the last period. You need to be top/bottom, hair/hairless, so and so, and you need to absolute fit.
I don't know what to tell you man. My experience with gay men has been completely different, and trust me, I know A LOT of lgbt people irl, so I simply can't agree with you. And even if what you said was true, not all gay man find the same kind of men attractive, so you're bound to eventually fit into someone's ideal, and so bettering youself is still the best thing you can do beceause it would improve your odds.

>>5816511
>There is a reason why such a large percentage of gay men are single for life
Yes. But it's a mixture of having a limited date pool and gay couples only recently being seen as valid, meaning that gay men don't have to hide it anymore.

>Basically as a ugly gay man you can hope that another ugly man takes pity on you and you are both comfortable with building something on not-attraction but having to settle.

This is exactly the kind of behaviour you're complaining about. You're heavily implying that you wouldn't give a guy who doesn't exactly fit your definition of beauty a chance other than being your last resort. Honestly, it makes me think you are projecting your own shalowness to everyone else.

>>5816570
> my last two boyfriends have been 'objectively' unattractive, or at least not by conventional opinions. Don't worry

> Don't worry

I am 55 years old now. After a life of social failure, depression, suicidal thoughts & visits to mental health professionals when I could afford it & having them say "Don't worry, things will work out, you're only X years old now", at this age, I can see that this "supportive" bullshit is actually just to make the "supporter" feel good about himself as being supportive, and to the person dealing with the problems, it's a time-waster & an insult.

Know when you've been lucky, & don't imply that things may change for others. Like Dan Savage & his feel-good self-centered "It Gets
Better" project which would be more accurately called "It Got Better For Me, There Must Be Something Wrong With You".

After a horrible childhood, desperate youth, & backbreaking middle age of maintaining a cheerful outer appearance & continuing to try to make successful social engagement, I can say that if I had it all to do over again, I'd know that it wouldn't be worth doing at all.

>>5816629
I have no problem saying I too have preferences and as I said I don't object to others having them. I'm arguing for the fact that men are visual I don't think that should change or even can change. The collateral will be the ugly, that's how it is

>>5816683

You are told not to worry because it is better to have a positive attitude and because me, not knowing any details about you whatsoever, cannot give a more accurate assessment or better advice.

I am sorry things did not work out for you, but I also wish you don't give up, even now, as it seems too late for you. Perhaps being fake is not worthwhile.

It's also funny how you condemn someone for using their personal experience to make a point, then go ahead and do so yourself. Life either works or it does not. And 'working' is only as good as you define it.


>I, personally, wouldn't mind dating a person 30 years older than me.

It's even a recurring fantasy. But regretful people are really off-putting. It means you're unhappy with who you are right now and regret the choices you make. If you don't feel good enough right now, why should anyone else. If others think you might regret being with them, why should they stay with you?

if it makes you feel better ID suck your dick for free. (if I knew who you were.)

Fat old desperate creeps with aids oozing out of their pores usually don't care about looks.

If you want someone with an ounce of self respect and standards, then you gotta have some good looks or at least look healthy.

>>5815584
>mfw all the hot guys are either taken or straight

>>5815584
It's not the virgin part that bothers me.

It's the lonely part that kills me.

>>5820649
>or in the closet.

so frustrating.

>>5820617
you forgot: have social skills and magically find gay friends