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If you have liver issues, is it still safe to use T?
>>5801160
Ya, just don't use the pill form.
>>5801173
Ok. Thanks.
Anyone have tips on how to make longer hair look more masculine? Can't cut hair too short because of family shit. It's above my shoulders.
>>5801189
Mullet
>>5801211
Suicide it is
>>5801189
Unless your face is butch af, that's not gonna work. Why not do a pixie cut and tweak it every time you're away from family? That's what I do and I can easily change from slightly fem to more masc.
>>5801216
My face is kind of feminine looking, I don't think I could pull that off. Wouldn't be able to get one anyway, anything above chin length I'm not allowed to have
Will T give me thicker eyebrows? Jesus christ mine are thin and pathetic.
>>5801189
try not to tuck it behind your ears, thats a subtle "girl" thing. shave sideburns to a flat end so that it looks more like you shave that whole area - naturally grown, soft girl sideburns are obvious. part it either as far back as you can (to give appearance of a further-back hairline) or cover your hairline entirely (to leave it to the imagination). thats all i can think of rn
>>5801265
Thanks mate
>>5801221
>anything above chin length I'm not allowed to have
How old are you that your parents still have this kind of control?
>>5801232
Your eyebrows may fill out a little I believe but will stay about the same shape, will probably fill in the monobrow a bit too depending on your genetics.
pic related
>>5801275
Whoa, maybe it's just the angle, but damn his nose grew bigger.
>>5801281
No, it's just the difference lighting, expression, and angle can make. His upper lip didn't shrink either.
>>5801301
I don't give a shit how old you are, but for future reference avoid saying if you're underage on here. You might get banned now.
>>5801275
Why does T do that to skin?
Make it look all rough
You degenerates belong in a gas chamber. You are an insult to manliness to be quite honest. All of you are nothing but crude broken simulacrums of men
>>5801348
Your post lacks sufficient meme power
>>5801348
What's it like having masculinity so fragile you have to go out of your way to validate yourself
>>5801341
Females have softer skin than males, so T does change the texture a bit but I think what you're noticing is mostly due to the second image of him being a lot sharper than the first. So we can see the details of his face better such as his acne which is exacerbated by T anyway.
How to pull off pierced ears? I have both ears done and I'm considering getting fake plugs but that might be the epitome of assholery. The only dudes I ever see with both ears pierced are dudes with plugs.
>>5801472
i have my firsts stretched to a 4g and i just wear plain steel tunnels or carved horn in them, but in my seconds i wear 14g horseshoe barbells, and have worn captive bead rings before. i think anything that would go in a typical body piercing would work.
>>5801472
Pass first. Don't wear those awful plugs, keep piercings minimal and asymmetrical.
>>5801472
Most people are not going to notice that your ears are pierced on the first glance, and if they do, will think you wear man jewellery in them. Steel and bone and black plastic things in guy ears is more and more common.
>>5801472
>>5801497
Alternatively, pic related.
I wear this type of earring in both my lobes and nothing else, and people don't bat an eye.
6 months on T, and pass probably 95% of the time.
>>5801515
I've had my ears pierced since I was like 11, seems a waste to let one or both heal though I wouldn't want to actually stretch them.
>>5801551
I have a pair of pic related in all the time, I might be crazy but they feel really obvious, too big and too shiny. I should probably try and find the smaller pair.
>>5801497
>>5801580
Good call, I hadn't thought of horseshoes. I wondered about actual rings but that seemed faggy, this is a better alternative.
>>5801708
I wear some bigger hoop/ring things that are marketed to be pretty masculine as well. Like pic related (i wear silver ones as well as black) . I know I look a lil faggy but honestly I don't care.
FtMg, it's time to post your's waifus and husbandos.
>>5801869
Is the skype active at all? I wanna join, but, I'm shy.
>>5801869
>>5801869
I'll be foreveralone, but at least I'll have nature
>>5801472
There are a lot of guys with pierced ears. It's nothing weird these days. Most people won't even notice they're pierced in the first place, and the ones that do will probably think nothing of it. I have pierced ears too (though they're covered by my hair).
I'm gonna go get my hair cut the way I want it for the first time today. Wish me luck ;_;
>>5802090
Good luck man. How are you getting it cut? And keep in mind it could take a few haircuts for it to actually look manly, hairdressers here don't seem to like giving someone who doesn't look like a man a masculine haircut. Who knows though, maybe I just had a shitty hairdresser.
>>5802104
The hairdresser's a friend who I'm out to who offered to cut my hair, so, that's nice. I'm just getting one of those slightly longer Asian dude haircuts, because those tend to look better on more round faces. Rectangle glasses help me, too.
>>5801160
Depends on the severity of your issue. Talk with a doctor about it, and no one uses pill form of T anyway.
>>5802113
Oh, I have something sort of similar to that. I was told by another trans friend last week that it's too girly/long though. Then again, I do pass for the most part, so I guess it's not that bad. If you have a feminine face, you might want to be careful with it though.
>>5802140
Mine is round-ish, but, not too feminine, at least. PCOS and thick eyebrows kind of helped me in the long run, heh.
>>5802148
Guess you should be alright then. Thick eyebrows are great, I always feel kind of sad for people who have eyebrows so thin they're barely there. Not sure what shape my face even is, but it's definitely not very masculine. I guess my face is kind of neutral or something, since I can make a good looking girl and a good looking (young) boy. Either way, it works out well for me, so whatever.
>go look at some of the other generals
>all full of drama, cattiness and constant trivial bickering
Holy hell I've never appreciated you fuckers more.
>>5802130
I'm getting them from the roidbull at the gym, so talking to my doctor will be problematic.
>>5802300
Welcome. Stay if you want, just don't bring the cattiness with you
>>5801869
Cool to see another Jojofag here.
>>5802325
What
I've been a ftmg regular for years, man. I just felt like venturing out into the /lgbt/ wilderness for a change today. I tend to avoid the rest of this board anymore because it's cancerous as hell.
>>5802300
I don't leave /ftmg/, this is the only good place on /lgbt/. Why is everyone here so chill?
>>5802347
Oh ok. Sorry about that.
>>5802349
Maybe it's because most of us are depressed or high/drunk half the time. Who knows. I'm certainly not complaining.
>>5802349
idk i think generally people here are either secure in their gender identity, or being politely helped by people secure in their gender identity. we done feel the need to constantly re-affirm to ourselves that we are REAL MANLY MEN who only do REAL MANLY THINGS.
also we'd rather eat/drink/play vidya/go outside than bicker most of the time
>pic related
>i want cake
>tfw it's 3:30 in the afternoon and I just cracked open my vodka
Kill me.
>>5801472
I just have hoops in all my piercings because that seems reasonable to me and more convenient than studs (worked for a Marine who did much the same). Thinking of getting smaller ones for all of them, though. I used to wear a CBR but the bead escaped captivity for the apparently more utopian sink drain.
>>5801869
>>5802738
Is that Totty? I haven't seen the new ep.
>>5802746
yeah
new ep was pretty great
Good googley moogley are the "men" here delusional. You people honestly have no idea. You never do until it comes time to get in the ring with a real man with a real pari. These threads always offend me but idk. It's like watching a car accident I just can't hide the thread.
>pic related its what you all look like to the rest of the normal world
>>5802795
Nice, I was gonna watch it later. I hear Sugita's in it, I am excite.
>>5802800
i've never been that close to a polar bear though...
>>5802791
>>5802610
+ my s/o rolled it well... his friend stopped by
hey guys, I might be going for my first appointment (pre-everything atm) tomorrow morning, any tips?
>>5802858
Dress as sterotypically manly as possible.
>>5802861
That's a hard one. I have like two shirts.
>>5802800
im a lover not a fighter
>>5802918
Would you fight for love?
>>5802930
if our love is worth fighting for
>>5803041
I don't know a love that isn't
Can anyone give me some insight on court dates? I've just finished filling out my name change form, need to get it notarized and then dropped at my local courthouse, but my job requires me to move around sometimes, and I know I'm going to have business out of state a lot in the next couple of months
If I get my court date and it's a day I'm not able to go, how easy/feasible is it to get it changed to another day?
>mfw people assert that being male is about your fighting ability
>when a trained person of either gender will literally kill an untrained person of either gender 100% of the time
>and the vast majority of guys cannot fight for shit
>>5803155
Who the fuck says that
>>5803165
Dude like 5 posts up says that. Multiple times per thread, even.
Also, generic people seem to think that, which I find hilarious. Some kind of power-trip bullshit I guess.
>>5803155
get off of /fit/
>>5803155
95% of potential altercations don't actually end up as fights anyway, it's all a pose and gesture of intimidation.
>>5803090
Then I will bring the heat just for you SWG
By the way, post a tune. I like your taste.
>>5803229
That shit's hilarious, but true.
I've been in fights, and about 95% of my potential altercations ended up as fights, and another 4% would have been fights but the other person could run faster then I can. The last 1% was because there were police within eyesight or it was a policeman I was about to stab.
Because I'm not boring.
>>5803190
A weak troll post and a post that says "I'm a lover not a fighter"
ehhhh
>>5803239
I'm currently warm and snuggly in bed so I'm listening to bedtime music, hope that's what you're looking for.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3PE50PZG5aw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ynfWIZpwfU8
>>5803249
Hate to get academically psychological here, but getting into fights regularly is indicative of some form of personality disorder. herp derp I'm posting on 4chan so you know maybe that's obvious.
>>5803290
>defending yourself is a sign of personality disorder
Leave it to Freud to label justice and survival both diseases.
>>5803249
you know i can honestly say i've never seriously considered stabbing someone... i imagine that's probably an awful experience for everyone involved...
>>5803306
Dynamics of fighting aren't really studied much outside of military psychologists, and I doubt I'd need to tell you how popular they are. Honestly from what I've read, coming to actual blows over something (at least, while sober) is a real rarity statistically. If it happens often for an individual outside of circumstances like spaing or military work, it is indicative of something.
I can't quite remember what it is, but fight/flight is only relevant for inter-species conflict, intra-species is more focussed on pose/submit(or appeasement), but fight/flight still being 2 further options that are simply considered less often.
But I dunno man. It's an interesting topic to study but it's desperately under studied, and what is studied is usually in regards to criminology so it can be mired in a lot of political and lawspeak.
>>5803290
This is very nice, thank you.
>>5803343
tl;dr shitpost bitch. I can guarantee that whatever you said, you were trying to say I was wrong, which means you're lying, since I'm obviously right.
>>5803405
No worries man I'm glad you like it. If anything this is the music I really love listening to. If you knew me IRL you'd know I'm actually really chill about pretty much everything.
>>5803412
Your shitposting skills need work young padawan.
>>5803412
you know... i can't say i like him, but what he said is technically right...
>>5803434
There's no all-encompassing meme that controls my destiny, it's all a bunch of simple tricks and nonsense.
>>5803452
But anon. Your life IS the meme
>>5803412
Holy shit you ARE high strung.
Nothing like clothes shopping to make me feel absolutely shitty about my body. Fuck you, hips.
At least I can be proud of my nose.
>>5803461
>that ice-cleaving prow jutting out of your face
That nose astounds me.
>>5803461
You're not cut out to be a man.
>>5803461
How about a douchey angle of the nose?
>>5803461
you have that pre-T? i'm impressed
>>5803512
Wow that's a very good angle
>>5803512
nose/nose
>>5803343
If that's true, then why do Muslims kill gays? It seems like your ignoring a whole lot of human behavior. In war, do people just wave their guns at one another until one side lays down and spreads their butt cheeks?
>>5803542
tl;dr Something something dehuminisation something something deindividuation.
Consider it like this. In the military, servicemen are trained to kill. They shoot at human shaped targets, they're put in combat situations for practice, they're taught how to kill essentially. If you have a culture which is defined in part by the fact that "they are not people and they must die" then it seems almost natural to them that they must die.
Plus the executions are almost always public. Even in the US there are public galleries for executions. If everyone is there looking for and expecing there to be death, what do you think is going to happen?
I could also talk about methods of killing, about how there is a far flung difference between pulling a lever to hang someone and actual beheadings done by someone, but then I'd have to talk about the prevailence of psychopathy and so on. It's complex and hazy, but the signs are all there.
>>5803542
Why do western societies let thousands of people die on the streets each year?
Humans like to demonize minority groups (unemployed, gays, women, teenagers, people with different skin colour) and attack them. Not really related to individuals fighting and stabbing people all the time, which is obviously a sign there is something wrong with them.
>>5803542
Oh also sorry I forgot to talk about your last point. In historical wars, about 15 - 20% of the servicemen accounted for about 90% of the killing. In WWII for instance, I think the figure was exactly around there, of those who were in combat situations, with the rest firing deliberately away from the enemy (posturing). In Vietname it jumped to 60%, in the first Gulf war it was 90%.
Medieval wars were shoving matches, but 90% of a war were sieges. By the end of the rare few battles that happened in a war, the losing side tended to only lose about 15% of their men, and most of those were as a result of long ranged weapons (crossbows, archers) or during the routing phase when they were chased down and the field was calamity.
Fighting isn't like in the movies. It's rough, raw and damn right scary to most people.
>>5803576
>women
>minority groups
Discarded.
>>5803542
"Deviants are sacrificed to increase group solidarity."
>>5803597
In terms of money and social power, women are a minority group. It's not purely 'numbers', it's 'ability to affect policy'. And there's pretty strong memetic pressures keeping women 'in their place', largely enforced by other women. I mean, feel free to scream about radical feminists or whatever, but it's an undeniable fact in academic sociology and every metrics firm/town planning/marketing/anything else that needs to understand social metrics acknowledges it as ironclad.
>>5803461
I'm so jealous of your nose, mine is the "perfect cute girl nose" which I can't fucking stand.
>>5803602
I'm not passing judgement here, I'm simply saying that to actually train a regular person to kill takes a lot, since it simply seems naturally correct psychologically and considering evolutionary biology that there is a block for people to kill other people. What purpose does it serve, in the grand scheme of things? Isn't it natural that we want our species to survive? The impulse not to kill could seem the brother of the impulse to breed.
>>5803609
Oh God that's magical.
Where were you taught such drivel?
>>5803595
So, the vast majority of soldiers were unwilling to kill, and that makes them the good guys, while the small majority did all of the killing, and that makes them the bad guys? If there'd been no bad guys, just two armies full of good guys facing off against each other, would they have just shot randomly for hundreds of years until they accidently killed the other side? Or would they just shake hand and go home?
>>5803598
Isn't that just a meme?
>>5803602
>>5803617
I should clarify, I'm not saying that it is impossible for people to kill other people, anyone can. But what I am saying is that people just don't want to in most circumstances.
We can argue forever whether it's cultural or biological or psychological or this or that but I think, cross-culturally, there is a desire for the pack to survive, and for that to happen there has to be a desire to breed and a lack of a desire to kill your own species.
>>5803602
When the (largely economic) pressures regulating a large system lead to armed conflict at the instigation of the psychopaths (either natural or manufactured) who inevitably end up in positions of power, through the actions of individuals (usually non-psychopaths) put through a system of training to remove their natural desire to not kill and instead kill people, that's one thing.
When someone decides on their lonesome to start killing people, that's another thing. A thing that indicates they are unhinged. Because they are instigating all the unreasonableness of a war without any of the complexity factors that result in wars. Insanity produced by miscommunication and distance and 'other'ness is one thing, insanity produced on a personal scale by a single person is another.
>>5803635
Look at my previous post, I said I'm not passing judgement, only commenting on what has been studied.
Also consider the fact that during the American revolutionary war, when guerilla armies much smaller than British regiments were deployed, it wasn't about the killing. There were stories of a group of no more than a couple hundred revolutionaries making enough noise by both shouting and shooting and bayonet charges that they scared British detachments 10x their size into a retreat, while actually killing very few.
An Austrian king once tried to determine the killing capability of a line regiment of 100 men at the number of deaths per minute at varying ranges (100ft, 80ft and 60ft I think) and found that they hit targets a majority of the time, resulting in what would be loads of deaths per minute, but in pitched battles there were only about 1 or 2 actual shots on target per minute, which resulted in hour long battles. Why is that if not for a mental block?
>>5803646
So it's morally ok to murder so long as others have trained you to do it, but it's not ok to murder if you train yourself to do it?
Sometimes criminals are proven to have been trained by others to do what they have done. Why are they still found guilty? And it's not uncommon for a soldier to brag about how they've wanted to kill all along. Why don't they go to jail?
>>5803637
I don't think Anon considered those other people to be part of "his pack." I'm pretty sure that was dog shit anon, and he doesn't strike me as someone with many friends.
>>5803674
Ok. So there's "mentally ill" and "not mentally ill." The mentally ill do all of the killing, the not mentally ill miss their targets every time on purpose. So, if we could prevent any mentally ill people at all from becoming soldiers, then nobody will die in war anymore?
>>5803683
See this is where the argument breaks down, I'll admit. Murder is illegal but killing in war isn't? Civillian deaths are collateral damage but then what's the difference to a terrorist attack? And the statistics... the number of servicemen in combat that actually kill compared to what it used to be is... scary honestly. We've perfected the art of conditioning people to become killers.
I think the argument escalated a little. I was more originally talking about someone who got into fights.
>>5803683
You're basically strawmanning SWG's statements (not even his actual arguments) in a fairly shoddy way, so my guess is there's no real point actually talking to you. People have already explained that 'most humans don't want to fight' and 'humans who want to fight are not normal' and 'humans who want to fight and kill when there is no reason to and they aren't being forced to do so are some variety of insane', that you haven't even acknowledged (much less understood or argued against) those points is a pretty big sign there's not really much point.
>>5803703
Well then let's talk about the non-lethal application of force. There's two police officers, one who kicks a suspect in the head, one who doesn't. Is the one who did kick always mentally ill, and the one who doesn't always mentally sane? Even if the suspect resisted? Even if both policemen were in lots of danger? Or are both policemen mentally sane because they're policemen, but an ordinary citizen who kicks someone in the head is insane, and one who doesn't and chooses to get seriously hurt or killed instead sane? Or are they both insane because they're civilians? Maybe they're both sane no matter what?
>>5803761
I wouldn't know about that. Is it compulsive assault? Would they do it to a non-suspect? I'm not a clincal psychologist here, I'm not diagnosing anyone, I'm simply talking about what research suggests. If it came across as something different I apologise.
>>5803713
SraightWhiteGuy was suggesting that soldiers who refuse to kill enemy soldiers are mentally healthy, and that those that do kill enemy soldiers are mentally unhealthy. I'm just a little confused as to why a very long war is indicative of mentally healthy people making up the soldiers, and a very short war is a sign of people who are mentally ill doing the shooting, and if the soldiers were mentally healthy enough, whether a war would last forever. Are humans even capable of being that mentally healthy?
>>5802831
I vape flower in the bathroom at work or at CC, it doesn't smell like weed during/after. Weed tech is amazing.
You have cool hands.
>>5803823
Consider it like this. A common question veterans get asked is "Have you killed someone?". Now, ignoring the fact that is a frankly disgusting question to ask, what is the best answer?
>>5803845
Try not to think of it as, "best" or, "worst." There's a bunch of financial, political, and psychological forces at play that drives war.
Honestly, I'm not sure why that is a disgusting question to ask. It seems like a fairly straightforward one to ask.
Obviously the "best" answer you're expecting is, "No, I have never killed anyone." But if all the soldiers answered with that, you would know that at least some of them are lying. Otherwise, both sides just decided that war was silly and went home? Maybe they declared it a draw and congratulated each other on having soldiers that wouldn't shoot anybody?
>>5803869
It's disgusting because it's a deeply personal question that takes into no real account, and shows absolute ignorance and lack of empathy, towards the verterans experience. Any person worth their salt wouldn't ask personal details about sexuality, politics, religion or finance with someone they aren't close with, and I think experiences of killing in war are at least a couple steps above that.
Of course there will be killing in war, but at the end of the day it is still killing, doesn't that mean something by our definitions of murder and mental illness? A successful soldier to some is a mass murderer to others? I dunno, it seems too late for us to have this discussion now too I gotta get some sleep but this is the sort of conversation that I really do love, man.
>>5803893
I ask people about their sexuality sometimes, and I consider myself to be worth my salt. It's how I have sex. How would people get boyfriends, girlfriends, husbands or wifes without asking about sexuality? How would people join political parties, or churches, or get jobs, without asking about politics, religion and finances? If we are only allowed to ask those things with people we know, then how can we get to know people since we're not allowed to say anything? Do you just say "hi" and "the sky is blue today" over and over? When do you "know" someone if that's all you say? Why is it ok to ask those difficult questions towards people you know? What if you think you know somebody, but they say you don't know them and you're not allowed to ask those things? And if asking all of these questions are something "salt-worthy" people never do, then am I supposed to believe that I don't know anybody who's "salt-worth"?
Honestly, I thought the conversation was a little boring. I wanted answers to questions I've never understood, and it looks like I'll be continuing to not understand them for the foreseeable future. Anyway, goodnight.
>>5803635
"Meme" in the original sense of the word, maybe.
Groups define themselves not just by what they are, but also by what they are not. An experience that cause a visceral, instinctive sense of wrongness or disgust when normies try to emphatically "wear" it (e.g. same-sex attraction or gender dysphoria) makes for the perfect scapegoat. Thus gays and trannies lose.
It's a great feeling when you "know" your (violent) actions are right and righteous. People love succumbing to group psychology much more than they like challenging their preconceptions.
I haven't followed the ensuing convo, sorry if I'm rehashing or severely digressing.
>pic unrelated
>>5803960
>2
>>5803960
A meme is just an idea that's very popular with at least some sort of sizeable group, right? Like, if at least 100 people like something, then it's cool enough to be a meme?
And I'm going to be honest, I'm not interested in having a conversation about what straight people think of gay people. That subject holds very little interest for me. I don't really understand gay people who want spend all day long talking about what straight people are saying about them.
Is it impossible to know anything then? There is no such thing as right and wrong, it's just all mental? And if that's true, then is it mentally healthy, if everyone does it, or is it mentally unhealthy? Is there even anything you can do about it?
>>5804025
>I'm not interested in having a conversation about what straight people think of gay people
Okay, I'd rather not take this much further either. But to be clear I was responding to your "why do Muslims kill gays" by way of my Jenny Holzer quote, so talking about straight people is incidental because most people ("normies", as I put it) are straight.
Anyway, the etiology of the original question is obviously more complex, but universals of group psychology will play a part.
>Is it impossible to know anything then? There is no such thing as right and wrong, it's just all mental?
Objectively, probably yes. But people devote their lives to these questions. You should bury your mind in books or philosophy courses. Laymen on 4chan are hardly likely to challenge or enlighten you in a meaningful way.
>>5803837
it is, but i actually prefer joints, and spliffs to anything... like i'll smoke with anything if it comes up (i've smoked out of a carrot before and shit...), but i prefer the weight of spliffs and joints... i think it's just that i prefer cigarettes too
vaping just feels different... though smoking at work and it not smelling like weed is a nice bonus...
thanks
>>5804025
there's not a right and wrong in any objective sense of the words, they're subjective... but it's also subjective whether or not any of that matters so eh...
>>5804148
>But to be clear I was responding to your "why do Muslims kill gays" by way of my Jenny Holzer quote
I don't know who Jenny Holzer is, but when bringing up the fact that Muslims kill gays, I was simply pointing out that there are millions (if not billions) of people who don't "simply posture/submit." SWG seemed to think that dog shit anon must be unusual to want to hurt others that aren't like him, but I think violence towards those that are different is more common then not. Assuming any of dog shit anon's stories are true, of course, which they may well not be, but he certainly seems to wish they were.
>>5804185
>there's not a right and wrong in any objective sense of the words, they're subjective... but it's also subjective whether or not any of that matters so eh...
That was the point I was trying to make, exactly. I've quit trying to find any "greater truth" to answer that question. Personally, I think if there's no such thing as right and wrong, it's all subjective, but people can't help but think there are such things as right and wrong, and always will, then why care? Why not just enjoy your own personal sense of what is true and right? You're going to anyway, even if you say you're trying really really hard not to. Why fight it? Why not embrace the hypocrisy? You'll embrace that too whether you mean to or not, it's inevitable, so why not quit beating yourself up over it?
I can't even imagine what a world with no double standards and no hypocrisy would look like. I always have the most fun when I'm being a hypocrite, I'm not even sure an unhypocritical life would be worth living.
>>5804235
well for me personally... i see no reason to live according to other people's morals or values if i don't share them cuz well... what's the point? i think nearly everything is subjective, though i also expect people to disagree with me and think they're probably about as right as me to an extent... but that it's all largely irrelevant, and not worth caring about...
most things are grey rather than black or white in my opinion though, and the subjectivity of each individual situation is what makes something moral or immoral... which i don't think makes something count as a double standard or hypocrisy necessarily
however swg's initial point about aggression and fighting not being the standard reaction most people have, and getting into a lot of fights being indicative of personality disorders and whatnot is technically true... that sort of thing is factored into a diagnosis of something like antisocial personality disorder for an example... it isn't really a matter of subjective morality...
everything about the discussion spiraled into a bunch of other shit though... that's only loosely related
>>5803761
Since you're strawmanning that other people are saying that a policeman who arrests someone for breaking the law is performing the exact same action as someone who knifes someone for arguing with them, and that motivation and situation do not actually exist, indicates you are mentally incapable, yeah.
If you can't conceptualize the difference between 'shooting someone because of societal and legal pressure during a war' and 'shooting someone because you dislike them', you're completely insane. Your brain is malfunctioning. That is not the normal way humans think and you lack capabilities of conceptualization and imagination and empathy that other humans do have.
for some reason when people pop in to praise us for being chill it's believable for maybe five whole goddamn seconds
and it shouldn't be because shit like this happens
>tfw no tall masc protective ftm bf
>>5805081
I simply don't ascribe any moral immunity to certain policemen who kick certain innocent and non-resisting suspects in the head for fun, nor do I automatically assume that when a gay person is in a fight with a straight one that the gay one must have done something wrong and the straight one must be blameless.
Way to tone police me though. I'm glad we can both agree that me having very little respect for your opinion is a high priority.
Talk about having no capability to conceptualize, use your imagination or have empathy. You've completely misrepresented everything I've been saying, in favor or repeating strawman a couple of times.
To me, you don't need permission from somebody else to stick up for what you believe in, nor does having permission from many other people make your believes valid.
>don't leave apartment or talk out loud for many days
>grandma calls
>attempt to converse
>dear sweet baby Jesus my voice
>oh shit what do I do oh god I'm not out to my grandma and I sound like a completely different person than I did a week ago and I can barely even talk because my voice is cracking so much
>attempt to act normal
>she doesn't comment on it
>can't tell if bc she's 90% deaf or didn't notice or didn't think anything of it or what
How on earth do you come out to your nonagenarian grandmother? I'm not even sure if she knows what being trans means. And can I just avoid speaking for the next year or so? And also not have anyone look at me? That would be great. At least, this time around, I don't have to attend compulsory education during puberty.
>>5805366
>tfw will never be a tall masc ftm
>>5805456
5'4 manlet 4 lyfe
>>5805486
Same.
RDJ is either 5'8" or 5'9", depending on the source, and people rag on him for being short. Kill me now.
>>5805517
I understand that. As an ftm, when I hang around people who are taller than me it makes me feel pretty unmanly.
>>5805534
Just make jokes about it like Kevin hart does
Anyone else had a fairly uneventful 'coming out'? One that wasn't terrible, but not ideal either. Just curious.
I was a shitkid and shit but independent teenager so my family long stopped giving a fuck about what I was doing and yeah, my dad still isn't happy about my transition but yet I still feel lucky because he's said maybe 2, minor things to my face about it in years and overall my family sort of just shrugged about it. I'm honestly glad, even if they still call me by my old name and use female pronouns because that's really the only thing I can complain about regarding the matter.
>>5805560
nuuuuuuuu stahhhhp
>>5805627
No, you stop, faggot
I need answers asap and google is bitchin'.
Estrogen blockers.
Their effects are reversible, right?
Does having no (or little) estrogen in your body without testosterone kill you?
Estrogen is what feminizes your body in the first place, right?
I'm a very late bloomer (fresh 18) and I think I might just have started true puberty now, fuck if I know, all I know is my hips have suddenly started getting wider and my tits much bigger n overall I've been getting much softer n fem and not even mild exercise n diet is fixing that shit so fuck, what the fuck is up.
Was wondering if estro blockers could stop that or slow it down because due to laws I've still got a few years of medical accompaniment before I can even get considered for T, otherwise that shit would be injected in my ass ASAP.
>>5806445
>fresh 18
>getting much softer n fem
we can talk about this over skype
>>5806451
G-GET OUT
>>5805486
5'3 manlet here I feel you
What's the Skype like? I've considered joining but idk if it's active or not
Does anyone have any recommendations for binders for a large (DD) chest and a curvy almost hourglass figure? I've been looking into getting one but I'm a student so I have to be careful about spending money on that sort of thing
>>5806451
Nice
>>5806603
It's somewhat active yeah. If you post something you'll be able to get a conversation started without much of an issue.
>>5806603
i used to go in there, but skype sucks... if some of the same people are there, they're chill though
>>5801869
>>5807049
Who is this boner condoner?
>>5805517
I moved in with a friend a while back. I'm 5'7", but he's 5'4" while being the hairiest motherfucker I've ever met. Really helped me cope with feeling so small.
>>5807056
Tsumugi from Sidonia no Kishin, the cutest little 15 metre tall flesh-colossus button you'll ever see.
Why am I so cockhungry, ftmg? I can't stop thinking about sucking big fuckin' meaty juicy dicks. I'd swallow every last drop of that scrumptious cum too. Unf.
>>5807105
Am I in mtfg by accident¿
?Where is us^/
>>5807113
No, I'm just a thirsty virgin gaylord.
>>5807105
i have no idea why but iktf bro
i'm almost worried about the sex drive change ill probably get on t
>>5805560
Self-deprecating humor is pretty much all I have. It makes people think I'm OK with things that I'm actually really not OK with, like my face. It's probably a good thing I'm a poorfag, or I'd end up turning myself into one of those plastic surgery monstrosities that doesn't even look human anymore.
>>5807126
Are you me
>>5807126
Oh man. A kindred spirit. Even down to the poorfag bit ;_;
This guy I became acquainted with who I told I'm a man keeps asking "are you sure? Are you a guy!?" And shit whenever it comes up. Stares at my body so hard it's like he's trying to activate laser vision. Seems like he's trying to make sure he's not having gay thoughts or whatever. What do.
What is a valid excuse to get top surgery? My mom had breast cancer but I'm not sure if she had the breast cancer genes. Is this a good enough excuse to get the doctor to sign off on removing breasts?
>>5807268
He sounds rude and a huge faggot. Do you pass well?
>>5807268
If you were 'a real boy' that would be very insulting. Tell him he's being an ass or come clean.
>>5807277
I didn't think so, might be insecurity talking though. He's kind of annoying but I don't want him to go around telling people I'm an asshole.
>>5807283
Yeah I usually just nod and say "Yeah I'm pretty fucking sure." etc
>tfw i want a qt woot bf who doesnt mind im trans and would play lots of vidya with me
>tfw unrealistic expectations ;_;
>>5807308
>tfw I had that and ruined it
>>5807132
>>5807139
>tfw I am he as you are he as you are me and we are all together
>>5807308
Woot bf?
>>5807308
seems easy enough to find... not really unrealistic...
Just had a long talk with my dad. He remember me being a 'boy' when I was a kid, and thought it funny. He even had a male nickname for me during that time. Too bad the name is awful, or I would choose it as my male name. How should I choose my name?
>>5807272
Yes, it is, it's for preventive reasons. Go and do it family
>>5807597
If you don't have a super extravagant name now, and it has a male counterpart, go for that. If you have a gender neutral/weird name, you're better off picking a popular name from the year you were born
I'm going through this struggle too, mostly because I have three name and don't know if I should just keep one and that's that or what
>>5807597
Look up popular names for your birth year, pick one you like.
Also, who else /CaughtACold/ here? At least my voice is deeper for now huehuehuehuehue
>>5807700
>I'm going through this struggle too, mostly because I have three name and don't know if I should just keep one and that's that or what
What's your three names? I have two first names and they're both bad so I'm planning on using my middle name.
>>5807626
Show me what you'd find qt
>>5807272
the thing is, getting breast removal will have a different outcome to chest reconstruction surgery
more like pic related than the usual ftm chest surgery thing
i mean if you're alright with that then fine, but it's best that you know
>>5807626
Thanks. Checking it out as we speak.
>>5807770
I've considered that. I'm planning on calling a breast cancer group tomorrow to see if it's possible to save the nipple and if it's covered by the state. Still, it's better than to have two random blobs on my chest for the 5 years until I get a shrink to sign off on getting 'proper' top surgery.
>>5807812
>Or just use a sharpie or some shit whatever.
Lol
Yeah tattoos might work but it would be great to keep real nipples if I have a choice. It looks a lot better and If I'm lucky I get to keep some sensitivity.
This sudden convo has made me curious: how much can chest surgery cost exactly? Does the cost vary with breast size or something?
>>5807626
idk... i'm in the middle of nowhere right now, and in a pretty shit place as far as lgbt shit goes... but i've still found a lot of people who have been respectful and interested...
i've never entirely looked or made the first move before though so idk how that works... but i've had people who have just been interested, so i imagine it's not that hard to find... definitely not unrealistic
>>5807820
It depends on the country, but I've seen one operation in the US costing 9000 dollars. I don't know if it's the full cost of if part of it was covered by insurance though.
Does t make your sexuality change like hrt does for trans girls?
>>5801265
>>5801273
Tucking your hair behind your ears is in no way a girl thing. Most guys do it do get their hair out of their face, a lot of girls don't because it looks ugly. If you want to look like a guy with long hair try not to wash it that frequently, stop using condition and do not style it all.
>>5807865
That's higher than usual. The best (IMHO) surgeon, Garramone, charges 6 or 7k. Typicak is 3-7k.
Stupid question here. Do you go on estrogen blockers and T at the same time or just T? Are estrogen blockers a thing?
>>5808133
just testosterone, it overrides the effects sufficiently on its own
sometimes trans people who are too young to be prescribed hormones will go on blockers but that's about it
>>5808153
Ok. Thank. Does it matter what you take or can you just get test from the black market? From what I understand it's not that expensive.
>>5808162
you can but it's somewhat dangerous to just do it yourself without an endo monitoring your levels
>>5808189
Yeah I know but it's really difficult to get access to T in my country through legal ways. There's literally only 1 person in the country who can give me clearance.
>>5808200
Which country?
>>5808261
Norway
>>5807770
A while ago I had the idea that if I got breast cancer, I could get top surgery and it wouldn't be my fault. But, ah, no. No longer.
>>5808367
You got yours covered then?
>>5808263
Hei kompis! Var det jeg trodde.
There's actually some recourse to be had outside of Riksen. I talked to psykolog Ronny Aaserud a little while ago and lege Thomas Mörk Tönseth earlier today actually, and between them and a few others (e.g. Pirelli Benestad) there's another, less gatekeepy avenue of treatment emerging through loosely associated professionals who actually give a shit about the standards of care. Now to hope Ira Haraldsen gets extremely fired like she should have been when her entire team quit in protest 9 years ago.
The downside is private treatment costs money, and some surgeries (like the hysterectomy I want) are more difficult to get because you don't have that sweet f64.0. And my conversations with Ronny and Thomas solidified my impression that Haraldsen is mercurial and vindictive. It could possibly be bad to get outside treatment if you later go through Riksen.
Anyway, you should definitely call any/all of those three people and get some advice. I'm going to bed soon, but you can also ask me anything or you can leave some info and we can chat.
>>5808399
Tusen takk! Kjempebra.
Send meg en mail her [email protected] så kan jeg sende deg en fra den skikkelige emailen min derfra
>>5808498
Jadda. Sendt. Sövnig her borte.
>>5801472
You pull it off by looking like you aren't concious about them. Do this by not caring about them
Source: am frat asshole & cis guy with cartilage piercings
>>5808538
Tusen takk. Sender svar nå :)
>>5808593
eh wut
>>5808593
Just exchanging some info, Burgerbro
>>5807308
1. are you outrage culture of any flavor
2. how do you feel about hairy /fit/ guys that are big spoons & at vidya are gold-tier baddies
>>5807820
Top surgery cost varies depending on the surgeon and the type of procedure done. Double incision is usually more expensive than peri because it's a longer procedure. Almost all costs I've seen are in the $5-10k range.
Mine cost ~$6400, not including stuff like transportation, hotel room, prescriptions, etc.
>19 yrs old
>family pressures me into getting health exam at teen clinic
>nurse asks me a ton of questions about social and sex life
>I have no friends
>I'm a kissless virgin
>nurse tells me to get naked for physical health exam
>she hands me an upper body gown
>she leaves the room
>I sit in the room for about an hour
>contemplate whether or not I can actually do this
>cry for a long ass time
>I can't do this
>leave the room
>can't find her in the hallways
>walk out of the clinic and drive home
>mfw I would rather die from cancer than have a woman touch my naked body
>>5808728
Do all ftms really hate their body this much?
>>5808728
now i remember why i don't leave the house.
i had a nurse ask me when i was 17 if i had any friends
>mfw i told her i had no friends and spent all my time playing CS and now i'm on a school shooter watch list
>>5808823
I wasn't as bad as that anon, but I avoided doctors at all costs. If I absolutely needed to go I could get through it without much trouble, but I preferred not to put myself through the stress and dysphoria so I usually just didn't see doctors. I didn't see a gynecologist for the first time until I was 27 and had been sexually active for over a decade.
>>5808823
I have literally beat the shit out of gynocologists who tried to touch me. At the time I did not know much about trans stuff and I had not come out but I knew that the feeling was wrong. And I was also about 19-ish..don't masturbate, still don't. I just ignored a lot and I still refuse to go to many physicians and never had any sort of feminine check. I'm really paranoid about cancer but unless they give me anesthesia I guess I'll just die young.
>talking with cute girl who lives a few hours away
>awkward sexual tension, some previous fooling around before
>"haha yeah it'd be cool if you came down sometime"
>"Oh well I could do that at the end of the month?"
>cue sudden and all-consuming panic
Holy shit how do I not be a fucking beta about this and not flip out. I don't even know why I'm so freaked out all of a sudden. She knows I'm FTM. What the fuck, brain.
It's like I really do -WANT- the thing, but when the possibility of actually having it appears, it's terrifying? I just. What?
Have a picture of my cat, who also flees in terror at the presence of any and all guests.
>>5803113
I don't know where you are, but when I filed my petition (in Texas) they just told me to come back for the hearing the next morning. If they assign you another date, I imagine you'll at least have some say.
>>5809150
Maybe you're haunted by knowing that you will always be sexually inadequate compared to an (XY) male, and that your only fucks will be pityfucks.
>>5805284
I don't know about the other /lgbt/ generals, but when I browsed /cgl/ almost every general ended in auto-sage because of all the in-fighting. Compared to that, yes, we are very chill.
>>5809177
Nah she hit that when she thought I was cis female. She's bi and poly and taps everything across the spectrum. It's just been a while since we've done anything.
>>5806445
Speaking of estro blockers, I know T is relatively hard to get without a prescription, but what about them? Anyone self medded with them before?
>>5809188
You make it sound as if a bunch of lying pedophiles have a chill time is a good thing.
>>5809150
you're nervous cuz something different is happening, but once she's there it'll probably be easier than the anticipation of the event... so there's no reason to worry, worst case scenario is it goes wrong and you find another cute girl instead... no big deal, there's a lot of cute chicks out there...
>>5809177
if that's what he's nervous about it's pretty pointless, straight chicks in relationships with cis guys are usually easier than any other chick, and they're usually easy to satisfy cuz they're not used to having a fulfilling sex life... in my experience anyway, chicks with boyfriends or husbands or whatever are honestly my favourite kinda women... you get all the fun shit, their boyfriends get all the bullshit, and i never have to put any work into it cuz they make all the first moves...
so i imagine if that's what he's worried about it's pointless... plenty of guys suck in bed, and you don't need to be cis to get a girl off
>>5807597
The best names are ones you say to yourself a couple dozen times and it sounds okay at the end of that (or better). Other ones don't have the right cadence to fit you. Might sound a bit weird, but names are important.
>>5809150
You think cis guys don't flip the fuck out in that situation if they're insecure? I know I have.
Just accept it, move through it, get over it. Over time.
>>5809196
>replying to trolls 2016
>>5809196
if you've already been together why are you worried? i don't get that...
>>5809196
Just make sure you both get high/drunk as fuck before doing anything
>>5809177
>xy EVER having a better sex life than xx
Ha
>>5801580
I have one of those in one earlobe. Which is the extent of my piercings really. I used to have a nose ring too until it got ripped out, then pierced again, then ripped out a 2nd time and so I gave up on trying to keep a facial piercing.
>>5808823
Same as >>5809002 where I don't get that bad. I tend to get very detatched when seeing a regular doctor though and extremely self conscious during the questions. (The odd looks I get for being a 28 year old virgin DO NOT help though!)
However I've only been to a gynocologist once when I was 13 and I refuse to go to one again.
>>5809455
Just think of it like a prostate exam. You go and get it and it sucks and afterwards no-one talks about it.
>28 year old virgin
2 years from wizardry. Too dysphoric to fuck? Or too awks?
>>5809704
A bit of both. With weight issues not helping things. Though between that and all the other shit on my plate, I try to keep relationships a low priority. I don't need to let extra stress get to me if I don't need to. It'll only make things worse and take up time I can't spare.
Why dont you guys do martial arts?
>>5809761
Probably because the only places you can get lessons are full of kids. And being a barely-passing grown transman in an athletics class full of children probably isn't going to sit right with a lot of people.
Also what's wrong with simply owning a weapon? A lot of legbutts carry a piece or a blade. It's common sense to do so.
>>5809792
>common sense
Perhaps in america. In countries with competent law enforcement 'muh personal defense' isn't really a good excuse for knifing someone.
>>5809792
And for reference, unless your area is weird that way, there's adult gyms/dojos for nearly any martial art you care to name in even minor cities. It requires simple googling skills to find them.
>>5809879
>someone comes and tries to rob you at gunpoint
>cant defend self cause i is upstanding citizen who dont own no illeeegal gunz
>police have gunz and are either incompetent
>or are perfectly capable of helping you but its entirely up to this complete stranger whether they should or not
>if they do, it may take a few minutes to get there anyway
>robber has already shot and killed you and is long gone
Or...
>take out legal gun
>scare them off
>if you doubt that scare doesnt work, shoot first
>robber is gone and youre safe in sound within seconds
This is why your liberal fucktard logic doesn't work. You'd rather make yourself someone else's responsibility instead of taking it for your own. People don't own weapons because they want an excuse to go Dexter on someone. They own them because they feel safer and more confident in their own abilities than someone else's.
You should still absolutely call police. But your immediate safety should come first. Makes it easier on them too to get a report from a live victim and take away an injured criminal than to stuff your body bag into an ambulance and no criminal around to be found.
>>5809881
>minor cities
Yeah. Doesn't work when you're surrounded by miles of nothingness. Not every lgbt person lives in fucking SanFran, you know.
>>5810371
I'm not anti-gun at all but what the fuck do you plan to do if someone else is already robbing you at gun point? They already at the gun pointing at you, you aren't anime. You aren't going to dodge the bullet or whip out your own in time. Just give them your wallet and pray to jesus you don't get shot in the face, fuck.
>>5810403
they're already pointing the gun at you*
I'm drunk.
>>5810371
Meanwhile, in Britain...
>someone tries to rob you at gunpoint
>they have no reason to shoot seeing as you wouldn't reasonably have a weapon on you
>feign/actually panic at the sight of a real actual gun pointed at you to stall
>get a look at dude's face and hand over your shit
>go to police and they will take it very seriously because guns are involved
>>5810498
more likely
>someone tries to rob you at knife point
>have to get right up in your personal space to knife you so already more difficult physically/psychologically
>if somehow stabbed, more likely to survive
>hand over goods while getting an eyeful of the mugger
>cancel cards/phone/etc and give detailed information to the police who still take it seriously
>still better than america
>>5810498
>>5810509
Believe it or not, I don't like being a victim. For some people it's worth a chance to defend themselves.
>>5810517
But weren't you the one that said that for a gay to try and kill a straight means the gay is a mentally ill criminal. Are you a mentally ill criminal?
You know you should just let the straight robber gun-cuck you and bullet-cuck you, accept it. Otherwise you'll make Freud sad.
>>5810571
No because I'm no homo and Freud had envy over my penis :^)
>>5810585
Ok, it's as I thought, you're straight. But you do know that you really let whoever wants to shoot you, right? Seriously, that's a cucking you deserve. Definately.
>>5810371
>Martial arts
You don't need someone to teach you to learn how to do it, all you need is a practice space. If you live in the middle of bumfuck nowhere, perhaps consider living somewhere that isn't bumfuck nowhere.
>take out your gun
So you've turned 'having to get your cards cancelled' to 'potentially killing someone/being killed/shooting a bystander'. This is why legal authorities in nearly every single first world country except america will send you straight to jail (do not pass go, do not collect $200) if you 'pull a gun' (or a knife, or whatever) in any situation that does not absolutely warrant it. To note, that is defined as 'any situation that is less likely to result in bodily harm and/or death' than the one you have just created. Running away, handing over your wallet, calling for help, if you don't have a reason you didn't try to do these things rather than trying to kill someone, you get murder or manslaughter with mitigating factors, which is correct, because you chose to turn a robbery into a murder.
>>5810517
Defend yourself from.. being robbed? When your bank will refund any transactions made from your accounts (and that's if you're dumb enough not to have a pin), so you're essentially out whatever is in your wallet + time + new phone, if they bothered to take that? You think it's better to escalate that situation to one where loss of life occurs, possibly including your own? The only moral system where that makes sense is 'purity through strength', so hello again my /pol/ack friend.
>>5810588
>You don't need someone to teach you to learn how to do it, all you need is a practice space.
That's not quite correct. If you don't have someone to teach you, you really should at least have reputable books on how to perform the moves. There's no reason you shouldn't benefit from the wisdom of those that came before you, otherwise you might practice for years and still be terrible.
And secondly, you need people to practice those things you're teaching yourself on. All of the practice in the world can only take you so far, there's no substitute for real life experience. If you wait until your life is in serious danger to try out your martial arts for the first time, you're doing it wrong.
>>5810611
If your life is in danger, you shouldn't be 'using martial arts', you should be using your legs and running away. It's a situation that is extremely unlikely to occur for most people in first world countries, and often people claim it does when it hasn't.
Carrying around a gun to 'use on robbers' is exactly why i'm glad I don't live in america.
>walks up to some short dudebro, 'hey do you have the time' 'GET AWAY FROM ME YOU RAPISTROBBER OMG BLAM BLAM BLAM'
>headline: heroic pedestrian shoots evil mugger on footpath, america saved
How about an exercise routine for dat ass? Anyone got one?
This just happened:
>Me calling cancer hotline
>"Hello, this is nurse M"
>"Hi. I have breast cancer in the family. Is it possible for me to preventively remove breasts without a diagnosis?"
>"You have cancer?"
>"I might have"
>"I'm so sorry"
>"What is the policy around breast removal surgery?"
>"You need to confirm you're a carrier of the breast cancer gene. You do this through your doctor."
>"Is it possible to have the surgery without doing the gene test?"
>".....Wat"
>"Is it necessary to do the gene test to do the surgery?"
>Is this a prank call?"
>"No"
>"You need to do the gene test. Is there a lot of breast cancer in your family?"
>"If the gene test is negative can I still have the surgery?"
>".....Wat"
>"If there is a lot of breast cancer in my family can I still remove my breasts even if I'm not carrying the breast cancer gene?"
>".....No. Doctors don't remove healthy organs without reason."
>"What if I'm showing signs of breast cancer?"
>"Are you showing signs of breast cancer?"
>"Let's say I am"
>".... Is this a prank call?"
>"No"
>"I don't understand what you want from me here. If you have symptoms of breast cancer you need to contact your doctor"
>"If I'm showing symptoms will he take the gene test or will he do a biopsy? WIll he only remove one breast if I have it or can I choose to remove both for symmetry?"
>"....."
>"Hello?"
>"They will only remove cancerous tissue, and the breast will be reconstructed."
>"But what if I don't want that?"
>"Is this a fashion statement? You want to look like Angelina Jolie?"
>"No"
>"......sigh"
>"I'm sorry"
>"If you're worried you might have breast cancer you need to contact your doctor."
>"Is there any way to get breasts removed without the gene test?"
>"No."
>"But.."
>"Have a nice day"
>"You too"
I think I ruined her day with this :/
