Why are we hated by both the far right and SJWs who see us as their pets?
We must be doing something right then
because you're a failure of a son
Really, everybody hates us.
For some reason it became trendy to accept us and we took advantage of it. But there are really few straight people who deep down don't uncomfortable around non-straight and/or trans people.
If it weren't 'uncool' to hate us, I'm sure even the most accepting people would like to keep away from us.
She must be mad because her plastic face looks both, generic and uncanny.
>"gay men are misogynistic"
>We must be doing something right then
>She must be mad because her plastic face looks both, generic and uncanny.
>immediately resorts to attacking her appearance
wow OP i wonder why
>2015
>being a man
>>5447520
Called gay men aids ridden drug whores
You'd be indignant if people said the same about women
>>5447532
source
also, no, is that not to be expected? lmao
Once you take out the sexual aspect of women what is there to like about them?
>>5447520
Yeah, because nobody attacks LGBT's appearance, hm?
Only first world women whom want to be taken seriously as actresses while having a frozen face get that, right?
>>5447466
She's not wrong, gay men are trash.
>>5447595
what the fuck are you even saying
>>5447591
I don't really have a sexual or romantic interest in women but I still generally find them preferable to be around compared to men.
>>5447599
How is attacking a person's appearance misogynic?
She obviously don't have a well functioning face for acting.
>>5447466
Daily reminder that clickbait is just marketing shenanigans.
Rose for example, hasn't had a good career since the last of Marilyn Manson's cum oozed out of her. There was a kinda-sorta comeback, but unfortunately she got into a car accident and ruined her moneymaker. (Hence the plastic face.) Now she is left without acting talent, personality, youth, and the face is gone. Of course she's going to scream crazy things for attention. Attention=money.
Clickbait!
>>5447620
nothing he said was compelling. it was the equivalent of going "well you're ugly you're stupid and you have a big butt and you like to smell your butt take that feminazi cunt"
like what does her appearance have to do with any of this?
>>5447639
That she is the spitting image of the overprivileged first worlder white women with a frozen face. Expecting this marble looking face to convey emotions is laughble.
Again, how is that misogynic?
Why can she call up on the "faggots" and get away, and I can't say anything about this sort of desperate for fame people who want to taken seriously as actors?
>>5447466
if women are so great why do they need help from gay men
>>5447692
girl honestly why are you even doing this? You look like a lot lizard that just recovered from a beating that her pimp gave her. your face looks swollen and actually your arms and chest look swollen where are your collarbones? are you some type of gelatinous government experiment to see if a human can survive without some bones? this would explain you big ass head, damn im not even kidding you look like bobblehead that went to a hoodrat makeover party and got recruited by the neighborhood goon "jamal" as his new main bitch because his last one caught too many venereal diseases and died please work on your body bitch
>>5447466
>gay men don't physically attack women
>gay men just talk shit
>Women talk shit to women all the fucking time
>Women as much as men were against women getting the right to vote
>black men got the right to vote before women even though feminists of the time helped them
>straight black men beat women call them bitches and hoes
I had to get all /pol/ up in this bitch. Fuck this cunt with her bullshit. How are you going to make a claim like that without any fucking evidence to back it up? I don't know who this bitch is, but fuck her if she really believes this shit.
That means we're finally not just LGBT anymore. We're white cis men like everyone else.
>>5447466
I'm really looking forward to the bit where she bravely and heroically denounces the muslim community for not doing their part too...
>>5447709
Sure., and hang the faggots, beucase they make first worlder white women so uncortable!
>>5447728
Right?
I'm waiting for the alarming stats about domestic violence faggots make women go through. Not to mention the sexual abuse.
>gay men are more misogynistic than straight men
>making negative generalizations of protected groups
I thought this was sjw taboo
>>5447715
>I had to get all /pol/ up in this bitch
youre embarrassing yourself
Once progressives deem you sufficiently successful they treat you as the enemy
Notice how they hate asians and ignore how well they do at the same time. Gays are almost equal so theyre slowly starting to turn on them.
The only time this isnt the case is when they themselves become part of the "equal" class, theb they ignore reality to keep their ideology alive as it necessitates victimhood. See: Feminism and privileged white women in the west
>>5447692
I'm really, really tired of upper middle class educated white women telling me how much theyre oppressed and how much this cosmic patriarchy benefits me as a poor black man with no father. I hate laying my victim status bare but they force me
http://youtube.com/watch?v=WIv4L9M1ECU
Vid related
>>5447466
Considering feminism keeps pushing "real men..." stuff around, of course gay men have no choice but being misogynistic. Feminism is as much our enemy as christianism.
Really, the only ones who should have a bigger grudge than us gay folk are the trans girls, as feminists are pretty much killing them indirectly and happy about it, too.
Feminism is rotten to the core and the whole world would benefit if it just disappeared.
>>5447771
you're next
>>5447784
>Considering feminism keeps pushing "real men..."
What are you even talking about?
>>5447792
Feminism utilizes "real men do..." arguments to push their opinions around. Ultimately, they use it in a "real men... do what we want them to do", but using a "real men..." narrative is anti-gay.
Although that's only one small issue for feminism.
>>5447803
strawman.
>>5447803
>using a "real men..." narrative is anti-gay.
Why do you say that? Do you think gays can't be "real men"? That's awfully homophobic of you.
>>5447784
Quite, you're right in pointing out they, and their hatred of anyone different means they aren't and never have been anything close to lgbt allies.
>>5447771
>while faggots are getting killed.
which third world country do you live in
>>5447814
So then you're saying it's wrong to be feminine? That it's right to bully those people for not fitting in?
Pretty self explanatory.
>>5447789
It won't be the first attempt, strugling white straight woman.
>>5447819
Are you the person that literally didn't aswered a single question I made to you?
>>5447826
i'm not a woman.
try harder, butthurt reactionary
>>5447829
you deserve nothing
>>5447831
>reactionary
LOL
Sure. You are just as progressive a Miss McGowan, r-right?
>>5447825
I'm not saying that at all. Where are you getting that from?
I don't think there's anything wrong with being feminine. Do feminists say that real men aren't feminine? All I've heard them say is "real men don't rape".
Modern feminist outrage culture is a joke. There's a good reason why most women avoid describing themselves as feminists.
>>5447834
How edgy. Super tolerant and progressive. Very feminist.
>>5447837
Maybe not everyone likes that real man shit they keep pushing on everyone.
Leave it to them to betray everything they claim to stand for.
>>5447846
u sound ugly
>>5447850
Again, I'm don't see why you're assuming "real man" has anything to do with being gay or feminine.
>>5447857
Not like you can hear what I sound like, but I won't judge you for loving saying random things with no meaning at all.
>>5447864
>"real man"
Why force that concept on people. The level of hypocrisy is disgusting.
>>5447885
It's just a slogan, I don't see why people are getting so worked up about it.
>>5447900
It's more than a slogan. It's a form of validation and control on how, and whom, can be called "a man".
It's disgusting, and it makes no sense.
Who are the "fake men"? LOL.
Who are the "real women"?
Who are "fake women"?
I don't think we want to know, hm?
>>5447907
>It's a form of validation and control on how, and whom, can be called "a men".
It's no more control that society's pre-existing definition of what a "real man" is, and feminism's definition is rather broader. It doesn't have any real meaning other than to express a concept - you don't lose any right or privileges from failing to match their idea of what a man is.
>>5447914
I'm sorry, I made many typos.
I agree, the feminism's definiton could be broader...
But that's it. It's still trying to say who must be called a real men x those who don't.
It's not a prize. There's nothing to be proved. There's nothing to be judge.
If you are a man, you are man.
>>5447480
my only problem with gays is when they bring sexuality into a non sexual activity. i don't need to know your fucking gay if were just playing video games.
>>5447914
Not them but not everyone wants to be a "real man" you picking that as a way to mock others says a lot.
>>5447466
we aren't pussy whipped so our only option is to see women for as terrible as they are
>>5447928
This.
We don't rate then higher because we are hard.
/end.
>straight men raping and killing women
>gay guys are more misogynistic
Even if it were true, thanks to my gay privilege I can safely dismiss women's opinions of me and my kind, as they hold zero power over us.
>>5447466
She's a cunt. A women's rights event was originally intended to be hosted at a hotel owned by a Brunei sultan who shits all over human rights in his country. People wanted to boycott and she got vaginahurt because "no gay men support women".
She's fucking delusional.
>>5447466
a gay male couple has two times as much male-privilege than a straight couple (even more if they are a monogam-ish gay male couple).
>all the people in this thread denying misogyny then calling her a cunt
>>5447532
No, she didn't.
>>5447595
>Yeah, because nobody attacks LGBT's appearance, hm?
Not feminists, no.
LGBT is seriously back-stabbing feminism by now, and this board is one of the more extreme examples.
A good example of a homosexual man who got his shit straight would be John Stoltenberg. Doesn't go around whining about how cunts should be punched in the face for criticizing him, no, instead goes around holding talks under homosexual groups about the problem of misogyny in gay male culture.
Gay men can be very good friends of women, but just because they don't want to have sex with women doesn't automatically make them respectful towards women. They have to make a conscious effort if they mean to be supportive of women's issues.
>>5447520
This post basically summed it up perfectly and one would wonder why people are still bothering to throw insults at her after reading this.
How much lacking in self awareness can one possibly be?
The news article is obviously being sensationalist. "Attacks LGBT community." Yeah because every critique is an attack on the same level as the bigoted hostility of the extreme right-wing, am I right? No, there is a difference between a well-meaning critique and outright hostility.
>>5447466
>attacks the LGBT for failing to campaign for feminism
>the political movement that blocked healthcare for T's
>the political movement that attempted to erase the LG by claiming they were choices and everyone is B until society programs them
>the political movement that worships a presidential candidate because of what's between her legs and has excused her for helping pass DOMA
>the political movement that has hated the LGBT community and has been attempting to dismantle it up until the late 80's when they decided to infiltrate it instead to use us as shields against criticism
Why would the LGBT community campaign for feminism? It would be like blacks supporting the KKK just because they claimed to only hate Jews now
>>5449823
>>the political movement that blocked healthcare for T's
[citation needed]
>>the political movement that attempted to erase the LG by claiming they were choices and everyone is B until society programs them
[citation needed]
>>the political movement that worships a presidential candidate because of what's between her legs and has excused her for helping pass DOMA
[citation needed]
>>the political movement that has hated the LGBT community and has been attempting to dismantle it up until the late 80's when they decided to infiltrate it instead to use us as shields against criticism
[citation needed]
Nice try anon. Nice try.
>>5447466
She's courting that sultan dick and that sultan oil money. So what? This is nothing new. Next week it will be another hip hop black feminist courting that Jay-Z or that Dr. Dre BBC and dank herbs and money. Or some lesbian feminist courting some rich stuck up lesbian republican old money bitch.
Why do people treat the women who make money being feminists as being legit? Show me a feminist who DONATES to feminist causes, try and find one of those that's worthless. It's hard. But all of these ones tweeting, hashtagging, or writing books in order to make money, of course they're scum.
There's people who make money off of good causes, and people who spend money on good causes. The latter are what you want to pay attention to. The former are the worst people on earth. Think charities for Africa that keep 99% of the proceeds, and charge $10,000 for one back of oatmeal. Just because they use Christian hashtags and wear all white doesn't mean they're trustworthy.
Seriously, when has this bitch ever marched somewhere where she got sprayed by a cop with a firehose?
>>5449618
I think it's not that gay men are more misogynistic, it's just that you get an unfiltered male opinion on woman. The percentages of misogynists is likely the same gay or straight, but the straights have reason to hide it
Homosexuals are an odd group to attack.
Hets have a reason to appease females. They should want to impress them. We do not.
Who gives a fuck? If a girl tells me that I'm misogynistic, I have no reason to argue with her. Maybe if I wanted to fuck her, I would. But I really do not give a shit. We aren't the people that are going to respond to this kind of thing.
>>5447591
exactly lmao
we have no reason to give a fuck about what they think. show us respect and we will respect you
>>5449829
Not the anon you're responding to an I don't know about the LGB stuff but he is right on the healthcare issue.
>http://theterfs.com/terfs-trans-healthcare/
You must be from outside North America and aren't still trying to fight it which might be why you didn't know.
>>5449921
Since when are TERFs representative of feminism?
Hell, they're a sub-section of radical feminists which are a sub-section of feminists.
And then those TERFs who oppose health care for transsexuals are probably yet again a sub-section of all TERFs. (It only means "trans exclusionary" after all, if you don't mind me reminding the actual meaning of the acronym beyond its use as a slur.)
So you have, what, maybe 2% of feminists opposing transsexual health care and promoting violence, and this justifies the anti-feminist fear mongering >>5449823 is doing? I don't think so. It's quite likely a shill from /pol/ under disguise.
The term TERF has become pretty meaningless on the meanwhile and some people are giving radfems more and more reason to start defending those accused of being "TERF".
http://www.feministcurrent.com/2015/11/10/why-i-no-longer-hate-terfs/
Pointing at the clear, evidenced problems with TERFdom that are explained in http://theterfs.com/terfs-trans-healthcare/, but then yelling "TERF" at many other radfems because they sound maybe ostensibly similar, is a form of motte and bailey argument.
http://blog.practicalethics.ox.ac.uk/2014/09/motte-and-bailey-doctrines/
You should be careful who you call a TERF. You'll dig yourself a hole by diminishing the usefulness of the term. When some really hardcore TERFs come across you won't have a credible label for them anymore.
(And maybe we should stop using blanket labels altogether and confront all arguments directly with intellectual discourse, but maybe that's asking for too much.)
>>5447839
this tbhfam. women are scared of labeling themselves as feminists because they don't want to be associated with third wave feminism twats.
straight men keep up with feminazi shit because they want to fuck them. gay guys are in the same sport, straight girls are. the difference is, that feminazis are constantly attacking men, i.e. gay men too, while girls aren't getting attacked. the biggest anti-feminists I've met were all females (who surprisingly enough were hardcore equalists).
third wave feminism is literally the worst thing western society has to offer.
>>5449951
It's really funny when some dude tries to be smart with terms like "xth wave feminism" and has absolutely no idea what the fuck he's even talking about.
You probably meant second wave feminism.
But I don't even know. You're obviously so ignorant on feminism you just spew random buzzwords around trying to start shit.
>>5449845
rational what means not understandable to feminism. please only adress a problem if you agree, that it exists, thank you.
>>5449926
TERFS are feminist whether other feminist like it or not. What's the percentage of feminists who actively trying to fix what the TERFS did and not just saying they support it? How much does it need to be to represent feminism? What are "real" feminists doing to stop "fake" feminists from hurting us? So far all I've seen are excuses.
>They're not really with us so we're ignoring them
Real big help. While you shove them under the rug trans all over the US and Canada are committing suicide because they can't get the treatment they need. If feminism is really on our side they'd help fight the TERFS instead of trying to pretend they don't exist. They've proven that their small size doesn't matter
women tend to think irrationally in the eyes of men. feminists peak at that. I like decent women more than men, but I despise feminists.
maybe it's simply, that feminism is wrong as it is right now?! I know, that women don't get to hear this, but I don't know a single male, who isn't against modern feminism. the straight dudes have to keep up with that bullshit, so women don't get to hear it from them.
I wonder how feminists would react if they ever sat with a group of average men, who were having a boy's night.
everyone but feminists hates feminists. that doesn't make them misogynist. feminists are just dumb cunts.
I am right-leaning but I have no problems with gay men.
I strongly dislike lesbians just from personal experience and from frequenting this board from time to time trans people just seem to be mentally ill fuckups that increasingly try to convert people to get as fucked up as they are.
Gay men are "bro-tier" to use that shitty term.
>>5449970
They're just an outdated movement that has no place in a western first world country. They're needed in some places but have no purpose here. That's why their campaigning against manspreading and crap like that. They have nothing left to do but getting women to buy crap like pic related is too profitable. Modern feminism is not as stupid but just as useless and MRA
>>5449983
there still is some inequality, but that doesn't need such a wide movement to adress it. it doesn't help, that most feminists are too dense to even see where the inequality is, but try to find some where there isn't any.
I tend to agree though, feminism as it is is outdated.
>>5449995
Their solutions to fighting what little inequality is left tends to be moronic
>there are not enough women in STEM so we should boycott it
>>5449959
>What's the percentage of feminists who actively trying to fix what the TERFS did and not just saying they support it?
Why the fuck should feminists stop working on their own concerns and start concerning themselves with entirely unrelated things all of a sudden?
You should really read all of this:
http://www.feministcurrent.com/2015/11/10/why-i-no-longer-hate-terfs/
>>5449970
Consider the fact that you're fucking ignorant on feminism and likely haven't read a single book about it?
Do you follow any feminist news sites or blogs?
Have you ever listened to a feminist speech by a famous feminist, even a single one?
Oh...
>>5447466
The right has always hates you for being, in their minds, morally evil. That's okay, it's honest, at least!
SJWs - really, radical feminists - only ever saw gays as 'useful idiots.' They betrayed the movement in the 80s, and long before that, suffragettes betrayed the civil rights movement once they got what they wanted. The moral of the story is to never trust a feminist, nor anyone they bring at their heel claiming to be your ally or fellow traveller.
>>5449995
>>5450009
>Two thirds of illiterate adults in the world are women. Ninety eight per cent of sex trafficking victims are women and girls. Every day, 800 women die from preventable causes related to pregnancy and childbirth.
>Thousands of women around the world are forced to give birth to their rapists’ children, even if the rapist is their father. [I.e. it's incest-rape.] In 31 states, rapists can sue their impregnated victims for custody or visitation rights. Thanks to dozens of abortion restrictions enacted over the past few years, less than a third of women living in the U.S. have reasonable access to abortion, and women throughout the world are subjected to forced child marriage, dowry murders, and female genital mutilation.
Damn, feminism is a really outdated and obsolete movement. Those feminazi should stop trying to end nonexistent violence against women and start championing for LGBT rights immediately!
>>5450018
>Why the fuck should feminists stop working on their own concerns and start concerning themselves with entirely unrelated things all of a sudden?
The same reason feminists expect the LGBT community to drop our concerns and concern ourselves with their cause. If you won't work with us why should we work with you?
>>5450024
>SJWs - really, radical feminists - only ever saw gays as 'useful idiots.' They betrayed the movement in the 80s, and long before that, suffragettes betrayed the civil rights movement once they got what they wanted. The moral of the story is to never trust a feminist, nor anyone they bring at their heel claiming to be your ally or fellow traveller.
Let me guess, you're another ignorant fuck with a /pol/-cum guzzling mouth.
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/sep/23/lesbian-gay-happy-family-worlds-apart
>>5450034
You're ignoring the fact that throughout the history of feminism, LGBT, and other social justice movements, women have generally been the most likely to support the movements of others, and receive the least amount of support in return.
Do look into the history of women's support for black rights and feminist support for GBT rights.
>>5450041
The Jewish people have done a lot for the black rights movement too but I don't see #BLM doing anything to help fight anti-semitism. What has feminism, not women in general but the political movement, done for the LGBT community. I'm not looking for words they've used to express support I'm looking for action. I can say how much I support women getting paid as much as men as I want but that doesn't mean shit. Unless I get off my ass and do something about it am I really helping?
>>5450075
Do you have any actual citations for all the claims you're making or is this our favorite /pol/ shill again?
>>5450041
>>5450018
So then you're saying it was okay to write a report chartered by congress instructing them to ban private insurance coverage for anything trans like that anon said in >>5449921 ? Criminalizing doctors providing the early incarnations of IC too.
It's also okay to push contemporary treatment to be more regressive and force people to act as stereotypes and then skewer them for it?
You're hypocritical. Radfems have actively attacked and diminished the bodily of groups like lgbt.
Uninvolved is a lie, eliminating someone else's control over their body is a problem you've made
>>5450018
feminism needs acceptance in the masses of ordinary people. if they tolerate feminist-groups who make that impossible, they're simply not fit to do politics.
I have read books of feminists and I have read stuff about feminism. I don't follow any feminist "news" anymore and never did follow any blogs at all. I used to read a lot more, but in the last ~10 years shit has become worse every single month, so I stopped a couple of months ago.
Especially younger feminists are too fucking dumb to think something through and talk out of their assess all the time, because they don't read anything, that isn't relevant to their specific problem.
I have listened to feminist speeches, more than one, less than hundred.
modern feminism is shit. modern feminism is done by women who want to be important but lack any kind of skill.
for one valid point feminists make, there are like 10.000 idiotic, irrational points they bring up, because they are too dumb to think something through.
>>5450041
Women have twice betrayed the gay rights movement, betrayed civil rights before that, and been involved in promoting some of history's most deleterious social movements for centuries, from banning alcohol to shaming men into fighting in WW1.
Women are not the allies of gays, and never have been. Feminists especially.
>>5450079
I just got to this thread, the stuff about you hurting us is widely known here.
>>5449921 from them is pretty good at giving a historical overview, even if they left out the part about prosecuting hospitals who tried handing out stuff along IC lines.
Any of those restrictions, wether it be restrictive doctors forcing patients to act like stereotypes, year long wait periods, you'd find an outrage in abortion.
Instead radical feminist groups like the one you posted that thread push those regressive regs under the guise of protecting. Exactly what the right uses to justify abortion restrictions!
>>5450090
True, if most Millennials see it as regressive and authoritarian, then no wonder the movement is shrinking to irrelevancy.
>>5450031
the anon I responded to was explicitly talking about feminism in the first world. you bring up something, that involves the whole world. of course feminism is needed in pretty much every place but NA and middle Europe.
see why no one takes feminists seriously? you can't follow a simple conversation.
I didn't know the thing about abortions and rapists in the states since I'm not from the USA.
My point still stands. feminism as it is right now it not necessary to solve things like these. half of that point isn't a problem about misogyny, but abortion as another political problem. while this problem is also involved with feminism, it's not a problem, that comes from misogyny, but belief, i.e. no reason to justify the existance of such an aggressive and radical feminist-movement.
>>5450083
It would be great if you didn't delete and repost so often. (You can also just post corrections as an addition.) My response was >>5450079.
>>5450090
>feminism needs acceptance in the masses
If acceptance in the masses means giving up the very ideals of feminism, then that is obviously meaningless.
The point is to make the masses understand the ideals and importance of feminism.
For someone who has supposedly read a lot about feminism, you seem awfully un-empathic to horrors women continue to face even in the first world.
>In 31 states, rapists can sue their impregnated victims for custody or visitation rights. Thanks to dozens of abortion restrictions enacted over the past few years, less than a third of women living in the U.S. have reasonable access to abortion
>>5450094
I would like to see some actual citations from you about these claims, because /pol/ is awfully shilling throughout this whole board with blatant lies since a long time.
>>5450117
>the stuff about you hurting us is widely known here
Widely *believed* would be a better phrasing. Over the past week I've seen dozens and dozens of posts about absolutely deluded lies about feminism, from people (mostly person) either genuinely mentally ill, or really aggressively shilling for /pol/'s opinions, trying to shove them down /lgbt/'s throat.
To see how much spare time some /pol/ idiots have to shitpost on this board, just look at the crude caricatures and other shitposting/spamming in this thread: >>5446243
>>5450130
>you bring up something, that involves the whole world.
As you see, even in the fucking USA, women's situation is pretty horrible. And what makes you think feminists in the first world aren't fighting for problems in other countries too? Raising awareness about FGM was for a large part done with the help of first-world feminists.
Also see the blatant discrimination and other social problems explained in some parts here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender_pay_gap_in_the_United_States#Sources
>>5449618
Bawww, those evil LGBT people are stabbing loving, never-been-transphobic, never-set-back-trans-rights feminist scum.
>>5450191
Those poor cis white women!
>>5450185
>Widely *believed*
If calling it that makes you feel better. The bit about actively trying to remove lgbt rights also pretty common belief in IRL lgbt for what it's worth.
I'm going to keep bringing up Houston and your support for the groups that killed HERO by pushing the patently false idea that it would empower predators. Didn't you ever think to look at all the similar laws in the rest of the country that never resulted in what you claim?
I think it's telling, they let their animosity for /lgbt/ push them into spreading fear all over the general public about lgbt and rapists. They've created an atmosphere of fear in Houston where many regular people will now associate lgbt with those nonexistent predators. They've literally helped set back lgbt acceptance and rights by a decade for everyone living in Houston.
How dare you call yourself our ally and call us shills for pointing out what you did.
Feminism AKA the literally most priviliged people on earth bitching about things that are the consequences of living in a free society and being a sexually dimorphic species.
Well, when they're not bitching about absolutely insane things alltogether.
>>5450185
honey, if those are "horrors" to you, you have a fantastic life.
I meant, that you need the masses to support you or atleast not oppose you. if you tolerate feminist-groups, that cause them to oppose you, your cause can't be successful at all.
the biggest flaw in feminism is, that there is like 1%, that has a basic understanding of politics.
>>5450253
>I'm going to keep bringing up Houston and your support for the groups that killed HERO
Oh hi, /pol/ shill. Thanks for identifying yourself.
>>5450275
>Feminism AKA the literally most priviliged people on earth
>>5450312
>having to bear your rapist-father's child is not a horror
OK
>>5450365
So, how fat are you percisely?
>>5450386
180 cm, 60 kg, getting 8/10 ratings on /soc/
Not a joke.
>>5450355
Funny how worrying about your/lgbt's welfare not equals = shilling
And by unreasonably doubling down on a cause that linked everyone lgbt with pedophiles and rapist, you're just going and showing everyone else what you stand for.
Everyone from here and the rest of the board you've been arguing with cause they think your movement is out to hurt them. You're just proving what they thought was the case.
If you want to show yourself and radical feminists for what they are, then do so.
The people
>>5450275
More or less this as always, how many SJW threads do we need?
>>5450398
Hate sex plx
>>5449618
>LGBT is seriously back-stabbing feminism by now
What actually happened is that feminism used the LGBT community to further their own agenda under the promise that "feminism would help them in return". That promised help never came and so the LGBT community ditched feminism and now feminism is butthurt that we no longer care about their struggle and calls us backstabbing scumbags.
Irony.
>>5450404
>linked everyone lgbt with pedophiles and rapist
Hello, shill of /pol/. How is your shilling going?
Oh, nobody takes you serious anymore?
Unfortunate. :(
>>5450413
Until SJW's are no longer meddling in our affairs they'll be worth discussing. It's no different than discussing any other group messing with us
>>5450428
>forceful sodomy this much
Don't be that way, you want people to join up you group, right?
>>5450434
Given that you're picking fights with everyone here and calling literally everyone a shill, I'd say fairly good.
Maybe if you stopped to engage with the premises contradicting yours, then you'd be having better luck?
>>5450441
Except SJW's/feminists have a goldfish memory and bring the same baseless assertions and logical fallacies to every single thread.
>feminism is our lord and savior
>if you dont agree with me read feminist literature until you come to the faith
>listen and believe
Every fucking time
>>5450453
It's mainly one guy/barbeque who's shilling.
Keeps mentioning the Houston Equal Rights Ordinance, claims feminists ruined it, claims feminists call transwomen rapist pedophiles, claims all sorts of deluded shit, can't read words, misinterprets everything he/she reads, spams threads with paranoid drivel, then says that it's others who do fear mongering.
>>5450470
>>feminism is our lord and savior
>>if you dont agree with me read feminist literature until you come to the faith
>>listen and believe
>literally nobody in any thread
Maybe if you pass everything through your /pol/ goggles.
>>5447466
Because the transgender movement is the enemy to homosexuality. I wish more people would realize this.
>ever supporting feminism as a community
Its an open ended ideology that anyone can be part of. it has the most vague premise ever that has been spun to both say sex is degrading and empowering. The community is so self involved that if you criticize one part of it you are attacked and hated.
Any member of the LGBT community should not support these rad fems.
They have used every member of the community without actually treating them like humans
Gays they treat like fucking accessories and puppets
Lesbians they have turned a sexuality into a poltical statement
Bisexuals just get shit from everyone
Transsexuals of both types they will either Use them to say "bad treatment of women" but never men, or they will just completely dismiss them.
once the group says stop using me they get all upset and use the arguement "femisim helps everyone" yet not willing to accept problems males must go though
>>5450470
It's not really any more baseless than claiming that the actions of some TERF extremists somehow represents all of feminism.
>>5450476
fuck off you fat whore
>>5447466
I'm glad that people are finally starting to pull the mask off of this feminist appropriation shit. Feminists will appropriate ANY group (even if they don't really care about them) that's popular, trendy, or even slightly ostracized to turn that group against straight, white men. Ultimately though the role of that subgroup is to further the agenda of feminism. Once you stop doing that you're just as worthless to them as a cis white man.
The effect is two-fold really: 1) The numbers and diversity make feminism look like a much more legitimate and widely-accepted movement than it is. 2) With everyone except straight white men falling under some part of the umbrella of feminism they essentially create the world's largest strawman. Standing in opposition to ANY of the requests from any group (regardless of how nonsensical) suddenly means you've offended anyone who considers themselves a feminist. By aligning themselves so closely it's hard for me to support the LGBT community yet completely denounce third wave feminism for the schlock it is.
>>5450486
How is it the "enemy to homosexuality?" There's no opposition between them at all. You can be gay, you can be trans, or you can be gay or trans. No one's forcing anyone to be one over the other.
>>5450494
5'11 at 130 pounds and you can go ride a cactus senpai.
>>5450492
Have you read any feminist classics (radfem.org), follow any feminist blogs or news sites (feministcurrent.com), listen to any feminist speeches (Catharine MacKinnon and Gaile Dines' speeches are on YouTube), or anything of that sort?
Because you sound really really ignorant on feminism.
>>5450476
>call everyone who argues with you in thread a shill
Ayy
>>5450516
>5'11 at 130 pounds and you can go ride a cactus senpai.
IMPLYING IMPLICATIONS
Fat lesbos get out.
>>5450493
Actions of a few feminist that had a major impact on the LGBT community that has gone ignored by the rest of feminism. Being a minority within feminism has proven to not mean anything in terms of harmlessness. Because no feminist is doing anything about TERFS and Radfems we've taken upon ourselves to fight them. They're a harmful enemy that has done serious damage and because there's absolutely no way to tell the closet extremes from the moderates we're a bit suspicious of feminism.
>>5450518
You should swap "triggering" with "toxic" but other than that this is accurate. Maybe add 'hitler did nothing wrong' in /pol/'s way to reach their goals.
>>5450533
This, people always say thats just TERFS or rad fems but they forget they fucked up so much for so many people, and when femisim just ignores them by saying stuff like "thats not real femisim" they are just saying its fucking ok for these people to think about it.
Take some responsibility and stand up to the ones who make you look bad, like you expect men to do.
>>5447466
most on the far right are OK with us, so long as we keep what we want in the bedroom to ourselves. they think we're wrong, of course, but so long as we are not "pushing our agenda" on their kids, they're OK to leave us be.
Not all. But most.
Hell, even the worst of the worst, like Westboro, don't actually resort to violence.
The "progressives" on the left (who have just about stolen the left from sane people)? We either conform to what they want, how they want it presented, to say all the right things at all the right times, and to be their token fags and dykes when they need us, or we are dead to them.
While violence may come from a right-winger, it is growing more and more rare. I assure my conservative friends that, no, i do not want to fuck them in the ass, and they are pretty quick to shrug and move on. they might not GET me, but they're more willing to accept me for who I am, as an individual.
The left? No one will ever do more to insult, embarrass, publicly smear, degrade, and ultimately try to destroy LGBT folks, then the progressive left, if they feel we have gone of the plantation. If we have an opinion they do not approve of, we have a very short window to change it, and kow-tow in apology. If we do not? We are the enemy, and the enemy must be destroyed.
>>5450518
>reaching such an intellectual low-point you start posting 4chan/reddit generated meme infographics
Anti-feminists, everyone. See it with your own eyes.
>>5450539
> if you like fantasizing about fat girls I'm no one to judge.
No, no one does. Which is why you fat fuck should go back to watching doctor who and eating tubs of ice cream.
>>5450561
>most on the far right are OK with us, so long as we keep what we want in the bedroom to ourselves.
Please don't say that.
We all know that is untrue.
>>5447466
The reason we're "misogynistic" is because we know how it feels to be a minority: like there's no such thing
>Waahhh I'm a woman pander to me
>Waahhh I'm gay pander to me
I see them as equally pathetic.
>>5450518
>mansplaining, whitesplaining, gaslighting
In my ~1 year of reading tons of (radical) feminist literature, news sites, blogs, and listening to speeches, I can count the times I've heard these words on one hand.
>the patriarchy
It's a fact recognized by the United Nations that
>"violence against women is a manifestation of historically unequal power relations between men and women" and that "violence against women is one of the crucial social mechanisms by which women are forced into a subordinate position compared with men."
>triggering
Same as first point.
The most discussion I've seen on this was about endorsing trigger warnings on lectures and books in unis to prevent actual PTSD responses in students. I.e. it was endorsed as a warning method, not used to silence/slur like /pol/'s "degeneracy".
>politically correct liberty
>outright censorship
Ultra LOL. Read e.g. "Pornography and Civil Rights" for an in-depth discussion on this. Feminists have long been outright opposed to all obscenity law (censorship), and shit on political correctness (read e.g. Woman Hating by Andrea Dworkin, one of the most politically incorrect books of the 20th century, most likely).
>>5450572
But anon, you seem really insistent on fantasizing me as a fat girl.
You seem to be getting some sort of gratification out of it.
Otherwise why would you do it, after having been noted that it's not really the case.
Sorry that I had to crush your dreams. :(
>>5450539
You do realize I only got to this thread an hour ago? You've been doing a great job at winning over the rest of LGBT I see. Maybe if you actually engaged on points others bring up and allows for dialogue...
>>5450516
Seriously though senpai
People tell me 5'7 115 is too scrawny, but that's at a whole new level. Is it just your metabolism making you naturally lean or do you never eat?
>>5450602
You are litterly only describing some of Feminism, Its an open ended idology that anyone can claim and do things in the name of. Your argument really just is akin to "not real feminism"
>>5450580
I know anecdotal evidence is bad evidence, but in my experience i've been more accepted by those on the right than on the left.
some don't care about sexuality. some are opposed to it. but they don't treat me like "gay" is ALL that I am.
The left? Or, to be fair, the progressive left? "Gay" is what I am, and if I do not stay inside their gay package, being their perfect example of "gay in 2015," I am an enemy.
I've heard more terrible things said about me, and to me, by left wingers than right wingers.
A right winger might tell me I'm going to hell and then shun me as though I don't exist.
A left winger will troll through my twitter, find something I said that they find problematic, and try to get me fired.
>>5450611
The fact that you keep replying just confirms that you're indeed a fat fuck.
>>5450476
>Maybe if you pass everything through your /pol/ goggles.
Hate to break it to ya but /pol/ is literally you
>>5450493
Why even be a feminist in the first place? Delusions? Ignorance? Sexism? Selfishness? Historical reasons? I doubt any of you are actually old enough to be 2nd wave feminists so it has to be some of the other ones. It's pretty obvious that any intellectually honest person has at this point shifted to egalitarianism if they actually want equal rights and treatment to everyone as it's been proven time and time again that both genders face sexism and that MRA's dont have a voice in the society thanks to feminist lobbying. Why would you drink the TERF/third wave/intersectional/radfem koolaid unless you actually believe their doctrines?
pic unrelated
>>5450602
>It's a fact recognized by the United Nations
>United Nations
The same UN that appointed a Saudi man as head of a human rights panel.
The same UN that fucked up Srebrenica.
The same UN that whined about a Dutch holiday while Africa and the Middle East were on fire.
The same UN that stands by and watch Europe struggling with the refugee crisis without offering help.
The same UN that gives about as much to charity as the Netherlands.
Can you really use the biggest political tool in world history as an objective source of information?
>>5450637
I don't like what you're trying to imply here. The UN is always right.
>>5450627
>i've been more accepted by those on the right than on the left.
There's a difference between "right" and "far right".
The right is "fine sure go ahead". The far right is only accepting of gays when they're straight. Because "keep it in the bedroom" is not enough for them.
Right and left are just people with a political vision, far right and far left are the more activist people.
>>5450613
>Maybe if you actually engaged on points others bring up and allows for dialogue...
I really try to, but most of what you get is shitposting in response, when bringing up feminism.
>People tell me 5'7 115 is too scrawny, but that's at a whole new level. Is it just your metabolism making you naturally lean or do you never eat?
[spoiler]I'm actually a guy BTW.[/spoiler]
Been skinny since my childhood. In early 20s now and people say "it'll change eventually" but it didn't happen yet. Also have depression-ish things that might be affecting my appetite. I drop down to about 123 pounds and linger there when I don't do anything at all; when I do a bit of muscle training and eat more I can get it up to 132.
>>5449612
>calling someone a cunt is misogyny
>calling someone a dick is misandry
>>5450632
>Why even be a feminist in the first place? Delusions? Ignorance? Sexism? Selfishness? Historical reasons? I doubt any of you are actually old enough to be 2nd wave feminists so it has to be some of the other ones. It's pretty obvious that any intellectually honest person has at this point shifted to egalitarianism if they actually want equal rights and treatment to everyone as it's been proven time and time again that both genders face sexism and that MRA's dont have a voice in the society thanks to feminist lobbying. Why would you drink the TERF/third wave/intersectional/radfem koolaid unless you actually believe their doctrines?
So egalitarian feminists aren't "real" feminists?
>>5450654
>The UN is always right.
.....as long as they parrot feminist ideology. Once they stop doing that then they lose all credibility.
>>5450661
Yes, and?
>>5450664
>egalitarian
>feminist
choose one.
>>5450623
>You are litterly only describing some of Feminism
I'm mainly describing radical feminism (second wave).
Liberal feminism (third wave) is a lot, lot more friendly towards LGBT, porn, prostitution, and everything. They sometimes come off like flowers and rainbows and let's include everyone in our movement.
Not to say radfem doesn't have flaws and libfem doesn't have good sides, but I find radfem generally a lot higher quality intellectually, and think they have the better long-term goals.
>>5450629
I just like to troll idiots who would go so low on an intellectual level that they start calling people fat and all that 12-year-old shit.
I'm a dude. Now bend over so I can ravage your tight little boy pussy.
>>5447480
"White" Jew man here. I like you <3
>>5450637
There is also academia and decades of high quality feminist literature that can explain you what "the patriarchy" is.
Regarding DA JEWZZ the most you'll find is Mein Kampf and some paranoid drivel written by idiots that were cast out of academia for intellectual dishonesty.
It should tell you something that a lot of people like to talk about "cultural Marxism" and "Frankfurt school" and how these things are linked to DA JEWZ and EVIL FEMINISTS.
Anti-feminism and /pol/ go hand in hand.
>>5450673
Beta faggot then and probably still fat.
You can call it childish all you want but if you'd do a survey on feminist you'd find that the females are overwhelmingly below average in terms of looks and so are the males ontop of being effiminate.
These are very simply sociological reasons for rebelling against the status quo which they perceive as sexism when infact it is simple human biology.
Even a childish insult can have actual bearing. So fuck off you retarded fuck.
>>5450656
>but most of what you get is shitposting
But you realize they're other people and I've just been hassling you over points I see opposed to our basic welfare. Funny cause my positions are actually left of center, and there probably would be points of agreement if you did something other than get mad.
>I'm actually a guy BTW
Well yeah, known that since you started preaching. The part about not eating when upset is pretty familiar too. Ever had any illness in that regard?
>>5450655
I can agree to that.
in that case:
I run into more members of the far-left than I do the far-right. And not only do they demand we be their perfect toy soldiers (or else!), they also, by stifling discussion and pushing THEIR version of our needs, at THEIR pace, drive the far-right to be more against us.
I had a straight friend to explained it to me. He said something along the lines of
"Most people I know who are opposed to gay marriage are not really opposed to gay people. With a reasoned approach, and taking my time, and making my points carefully, I've brought some people to understand why, even if they don't personally agree with homosexuality, we still deserve the right to marry, and all that entails. And a lot get it.
And then it gets shoved down the supreme court. People do not feel that they were given a chance to get used to it, they feel as if it was forced on them. And so, people who i could have brought to see our side of the argument now instead feel justified in hardening their view against it. When the government legislates morality, there is backlash, and people who COULD accept the change, if it was there choice, DON't accept it, because the choice was taken."
now, i cheered when the supreme court ruled for gay marriage, but when he put it like that, it made a lot of sense to me.
>>5447480
>Common sense: the post
See? I told you these breeders couldn't be trusted.
Some fags tried to befriend them, and look what they did to them?
Turned into political tools or even murdered!
What can you expect
From filthy little heteros?
Their whole disgusting race is like a curse
They're horrible in bed
They're only good when dead
They're vermin, as I said
And worse
They're savages! Savages!
Barely even human
Savages! Savages!
Drive them from our board!
They're not like you and me
Which means they must be evil
We must sound the drums of war!
>>5450692
>you'd find that the females are overwhelmingly below average in terms of looks and hurr durr harf barf
I follow lots of feminists on Twitter. Most are qt3.14s.
You really have the mental maturity of a 12 year-old, don't you?
I find it incredibly hilarious that you are currently *seriously* trying to convince me that there is a link between feminism and ugliness and fatness.
What is this, fucking kindergarden? Holy fucking shit.
>>5450673
The non liberals have a terrible track record in minority rights though.
>>5450672
Given that the basis of feminism is gender equality, how exactly is "egalitarian feminist" a contradiction?
>>5450693
>I've just been hassling you over points I see opposed to our basic welfare
Aren't you just the Houston guy then?
>The part about not eating when upset is pretty familiar too. Ever had any illness in that regard?
No.
>>5450713
>Aren't you just the Houston
yes, what went down caused tremendous harm to everyone who lived there. It's a watershed moment and more relevant to this board than anything.
>>5450704
>I find it incredibly hilarious that you are currently *seriously* trying to convince me that there is a link between feminism and ugliness and fatness.
You finding it "hilarious" doesn't invalidate it. Of course neither does my conjecture proof it but what I said about male feminists is certainly true.
The epitome of 3rd wave feminism doesn't even require women to be ugly anymore since the things they demand are so openly sexist and in favor of women over men in general that there is real self-interest involved regardless of looks.
Again, we're a sexually dimorphic species and this dimorphism extends to hormones that drive motivation for different aspects of life and even extend to the brain.
Feminism offers females a poor sociological explenation for why they're underrepresented in certain fields that they're expected to perform in just as well as men due to... FEMINISM when the more likely anwser is physiological differences.
Feminism is the anweser to problems created by feminism and nothing more.
>>5450707
>hurr feminism actually does what the dictionairy definition says
Get lost. Seriously. Look at the action of MAINSTREAM feminists and tell me they're working on egalitarian goals.
>>5450688
>There is also academia and decades of high quality feminist literature that can explain you what "the patriarchy" is.
Who have a lot to gain and a lot to lose with the idea of an existing "patriarchy". That makes it extra difficult to come to an unbiased conclusion.
Let's not forget that a lot of things attributed to the "patriarchy" can easily be attributed to classism.
>DA JEWZZ
Irrelevant to the post.
>It should tell you something that a lot of people like to talk about "cultural Marxism" and "Frankfurt school" and how these things are linked to DA JEWZ and EVIL FEMINISTS.
Also irrelevant.
>Anti-feminism and /pol/ go hand in hand.
I smell a 'guilt by association'.
>>5447520
>someone generalizes about entirety of gay men
>gets attacked as an individual and not as a woman
>SEE ITS THE SAME!
literally retarded
>>5450602
>It's a fact recognized by the United Nations that
It's glaringly obvious that statement refers to places like the middle east and africa, not western democracies. Most violence in the west is done to males by males and I'd dare to suggest it's partially because how biased the judicial system is towards women committing violent crimes but that's just my conjecture. Either way UN is not a supreme authority on anything and have a spotty track record of fact-checking politically charged statements.
>not used to silence
Not even feminist speakers are allowed to talk in universities unless they toe the line of intersectionality. It's blatantly obvious that trigger warnings are there to shelter adults from differing world views. The same people that demand these trigger warnings are the same people that get 'traumatized' by reading a book written by a white male author.
>>5450713
>guy
Technically on chemical castration and estrogen though, so if you were going to use that as a point...
>>5450725
Oh fuck off.
>>5450727
>You finding it "hilarious" doesn't invalidate it.
It's wrong and hilarious, anon. I'm sorry but you're incredibly embarrassing yourself.
>>5450761
>It's glaringly obvious that statement refers to places like the middle east and africa, not western democracies.
Literally the first google hit for "violence against women in the US":
http://www.feminist.com/antiviolence/facts.html
>>5450707
Because what feminism was based on is totally different from what it has become. Much in the same way that the Blackstone Rangers were started in 1950s as a support group for at-risk minority teenagers in Chicago and then eventually evolved into the Almighty Black P. Stone Nation, one of the most violent drug-trafficking street gangs in the country. You wouldn't look at them today and say that they still embodied the basis of the foundation of their group.
>>5450769
No, I just tend to assume anti-feminists to be men... and don't think about people's gender on an anonymous imageboard.
Feminists hate gay men because they can't control gay man with their vaginas. It's not that hard to figure out.
>>5450727
>Feminism is the anweser to problems created by feminism and nothing more.
Which is false, or there would never have been a reason for feminism to exist in the first place. Unless you're using "feminism" to refer exclusively to modern feminism, which is about as nonsensical as claiming technology did not exist before 1850.
>>5450736
So because of that I'm not allowed to call myself a feminist?
>>5450761
>unless they toe the line of intersectionality
If you're talking about students complaining their fees were used to pay for advocates of conversion therapy, or people who campaign on transition being "unethical", then that's their prerogative.
They don't have a right to take money from you and use it to pay people who would hurt you.
>>5450775
>It's wrong and hilarious, anon. I'm sorry but you're incredibly embarrassing yourself.
Which is why you chose to only reply to tiny snippets of my posts two times in a row.
Get fucked you dishonest piece of shit. Honestly, eat a few dicks you sack of garbage. Get a trip so I can filter you.
>>5450792
Ok, MODERN FEMINISM(so called 3rd wave) only offers solutions to problems created by MODERN FEMINISM.
I think the sufferage movement has little bearing on this fucking discussion and I don't get why you try to circumvent what I said in this dishonest way.
When can we start a war on white women?
>>5450780
Right, but that's a specific organization. Feminism is a philosophy, there's no one individual or group that defines what feminism is.
>>5450791
Nah, there are plenty of gay men who are legitimately misogynistic, there's even one or two on this board that I suspect are "political homosexuals". They don't hate gay men as a group because they're gay, they hate certain gay men for being misogynistic.
>LGBT board
>insignificant minority
>/pol/ and feminism vomit their political nonsense all over this board
>both come with lame excuses why they do so.
>>5450810
>Nah, there are plenty of gay men who are legitimately misogynistic
And there are more than plenty of feminists who are legitimately homophobic and misandrist. What's your point?
>>5450792
>So because of that I'm not allowed to call myself a feminist?
No, you are but I see little point in asigning a label to yourself if the perception of that label has changed beyond what the original meaning was which you're trying to identify as.
Egalitarian still means the same and won't be misunderstood by people. The only reason to call yourself feminist is if you want to be associated with what people are now seeing of feminism in the public.
>>5450807
>I think the sufferage movement has little bearing on this fucking discussion and I don't get why you try to circumvent what I said in this dishonest way.
Because even if I labeled myself an egalitarian, people would call me a feminist anyway when I acknowledge the existence of a patriarchy and so on.
>>5450816
Being against feminism is not /pol/.
>>5447466
>Do what we say or you'll never get a crack at our pussies
>So what? We don't want your pussies.
>MISOGYNY! MISOGYNYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!
>>5450829
I wasn't talking about anti-feminism.
There's been plenty of /pol/ threads, mostly about using islam to turn us away from liberalism.
Both groups have no valid reasons to vomit their obnoxious political views here.
>>5450828
You just proved my point. The fact that you believe in the patriarchy means that you're aligned with modern feminist thought which is infact not egalitarian.
There is no male conspiracy to keep females down. Literally every field from stem to finances has specific programs just to help females get in. The arguably much more conservative men of the past even gave you the right to vote. The fact that we still don't have the magic 50/50 split can be attributed to physiological differences.
>>5450829
every community has a boogeyman when they can't deal with someone having a different opinion being in their 'safe space.'
>>5450791
The juxtaposition of your post and the image made me laugh my ass off.
>>5450799
>Get fucked you dishonest piece of shit.
Looks like I seriously hit a nerve.
Why the fuck should I waste time with an idiot of your level?
>>5450819
Anon, you've been spouting deluded stuff for a week. I tried explaining it to you in length, probably wrote multiple 2k char posts, and I don't have any motivation left to deal with you.
>>5450664
Then it's not egalitarianism
>Feminism - the advocacy of women's rights on the grounds of political, social, and economic equality to men.
>Egalitarianism - a political doctrine that all people should be treated as equals and have the same political, economic, social, and civil rights.
You see the difference? Feminism ignores the advantages that women have over men and only advocates for equality where it benefits women. This is not to say feminism is without it's merits, once upon a time women didn't have much of any advantages over men so there was little point to being anything other than feminist if you wanted equality, nowdays it's not as clear-cut in the west. For rest of the world feminism has a lot of work to do but saying you're a feminist in the west is pretty much pointless unless you are some of those things that I mentioned on the previous post.
Egalitarianism is blind to gender/race/sexuality so any political group that advocates specifically for the rights of a subgroup over everyone else is incompatible with egalitarianism. The distinction might seem pointless to you but having seen how much vitriolic hate any exclusive subgroup can spout in the name of equality I think it's the only way to actually advocate for equality.
>>5450836
This has no bearing on what we just talked about but do you think that being a liberal is inherently a /lgbt/ thing?
>>5450829
It actually really is.
>>5450836
>>5450829
>>5450816
Horseshoe theory
Pol and the fundamentalist feminists are more alike than anything.
>>5450840
>Why the fuck should I waste time with an idiot of your level?
This is how I tried to win internet arguments back in 2005. You're a retarded, dumb fuck and scared of adressing my points. Claiming that I'm beneath you intellectually doesn't change that.
>>5450810
>Feminism is a philosophy
No it isn't. Gender equality is a philosophy, feminism is a group of people who have a unique view of what the philosophy of gender equality entails and how gender inequality should be rectified. Feminism is not a philosophy and if you still want to make the argument that it is a philosophy then surely you'll at least agree that by definition it cannot be an egalitarian philosophy. The two cannot co-exist.
>>5450845
>do you think that being a liberal is inherently a /lgbt/ thing?
No. It's just the common perspective held by outsiders.
"Oh, liberals gave them rights, I guess they all vote liberal then"
>>5450847
I said that too and got called retarded.
Their goals may be different but their ways for reaching it are quite alike.
But that's usual for radical groups.
>>5450846
That's an absolutely ridiculous notion. Simply saying "nuh uh!" does not make it true in any capacity. I'm against extremists and radicals of all stripes.
>>5450837
I don't see it as a conspiracy in the conscious sense, but as a system that arose on its own through social interaction and which advantages men over women.
>>5450844
So, suppose one gender was truly oppressed by the other. Would an "egalitarian" by your definition agree that more effort must go to helping the oppressed gender achieve equal rights?
>>5450856
>gender equality is a philosophy
I want to wake up.
>>5450840
You were writing in support over the people who pulled that shit in Houston. It's a very valid question how you can claim to do that while saying you aren't against lgbt?
And you've been told those claims were factually wrong and antidis laws never caused what they claim but you just laugh it off.
How is that going to win you support?
>>5450856
Okay, if feminism is a group, who is/are it's leader(s)?
>>5450846
>if pol is wrong feminism must be right!
>>5450866
I want to put you to sleep.
>>5450867
>How is that going to win you support?
I'm pretty sure Radfem Anon realized awhile ago they're never actually going to make any inroads into gaining support from /lgbt/, so now they're just content to shitpost in any threads even tangentially related to feminism.
>>5450865
>a system that arose on its own through social interaction and which advantages men over women.
Women are much more likely to get off for crime and receive much shorter prison sentences than men for the same crimes.
http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=2144002
>>5450856
>Feminism is not a philosophy and if you still want to make the argument that it is a philosophy then surely you'll at least agree that by definition it cannot be an egalitarian philosophy
Feminism follows from egalitarianism. It's a specific subset of egalitarianism that focuses on achieving gender equality by fighting for the rights of women. The only thing un-egalitarian about it is that it's too rigid and remains almost exclusively focused on the rights of women even when legal and social equality has been achieved or nearly achieved. It's failing to see the forest for the trees - but it does not mean that feminism is not based on egalitarianism.
>>5450884
Okay, and when did this pattern start? Recently? Is it a result of actions by feminism?
>>5450875
None. Only men are capable of leading.
>>5450893
How can it be a group in a meaningful sense if it has no leader?
>>5450896
What's your PERSONAL view on the whole Houston/HERO thing? If you could make it clear to them that you DON'T think that letting trans people use the preferred bathroom will endanger cis women, maybe they'll stop using that as a strawman to attack you.
>>5450883
>they're never actually going to make any inroads into gaining support from /lgbt/
Duh. Why support a movement that doesn't benefit you?
>>5450904
I tried to make it clear plenty times that I and most feminists support transsexuals.
I'm not a lawyer and haven't spent much time looking into that law and what went on there.
It's just that whenever this anon screamed Houston and I asked them to provide some sort of citation for the claim that "feminists are calling transwomen rapist pedophiles", they linked either some articles talking about right-wing politics, or something from GenderTrender that had an ideological opposition to a (perceived) trend of holding trans rights above women's rights.
>>5450896
So then the lgbt community collectively.
Cause you know, loosing the AD protections and having the public associate you with pervs is trivial.
You're telling people they're wrong for worrying about something as fundamental as that.
No wonder a guy like you isn't winning anyone over.
>>5450892
No, and yet the feminists (who are so very egalitarian as they'll quickly remind you) never point out any inequality unless it skews against them. They also ignore any possible explanation for gender inequality that falls on their shoulders.
>>5450926
Do you have any examples of gender inequality caused by feminists?
Because that sounds kind of ridiculous.
>>5450775
>Literally the first google hit for "violence against women in the US":
Department of justice has not released any recent statistics other than homicide I could find (the others were from the 90's at best) but here's homicide victim statistic for you from 2008
>All homicides
>76.8% male 23.2% female
>>5450922
>they linked either some articles talking about right-wing politics, or something from
Your sites and the ones you were defending were making the exact same claim about how AD laws would let men come in, claim to be women and attack everyone.
All of those policy and law enforcement articles saying that was bullshit and that AD laws just like HERO have never resulted in those ends were relevant to your support over those positions .
>>5450865
>Would an "egalitarian" by your definition agree that more effort must go to helping the oppressed gender achieve equal rights?
Your wording is awful - an egalitarian would advocate that both genders have equal rights. Thankfully we already are well past this point in the west yet the feminist lobby keeps on chugging for more while ignoring the advantages women now have over men. I don't think one gender should have any rights over the other so I'll gladly call feminists out for being sexist by pushing their agenda over others.
>>5450955
>Your sites
See, this is exactly what I'm talking about.
I don't own any fucking websites.
When I read something like "YOUR FRIENDS" or "YOUR SITES" it just makes you sound like you're spewing paranoid shit.
>>5450898
There are clear thought leaders within feminism. They're mostly social figures like Tumblrinas and celebrities looking for good PR, but that doesn't mean that there aren't leaders. There's no formal hierarchy or structure. No President of Feminism, but you'd be a fool to think that feminism is not a group because it "has no leader".
>>5450907
Well more like why support a movement that vilifies gays and trans in the public sphere.
That's like expecting Jews to become national socialists
>>5450933
Women are advantaged over men to get into STEM fields even though women are already over represented in higher education. Asking what's explicitly caused by feminism is somewhat dishonest though, you wouldn't say that all the disadvantages women used to have were explicitly caused by MRA's. There have always been differences between genders in society that have not been caused by recent political fringes.
>>5450969
You promoted their claims, you own them.
You've got to explain how you can back things that say legal protections =rape and call yourself an ally.
>>5450971
I don't want to generalise all feminists.
I already generalise all breeders so by proxy I have the majority of feminists in my generalisation already.
>>5450959
I'm saying that if there was a society (like some of the third world is today) where women are clearly second class citizens, would egalitarians support changing that?
>>5450898
Was Occupy Wall Street a group?
>>5450992
I imagine that they would. But they would also take care not to simply give women the requisite privileges without also ensuring that they possessed equal or equivalent responsibilities as men in their society.
>>5450959
>Thankfully we already are well past this point in the west
LOL
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender_wage_gap_in_the_United_States
http://www.feminist.com/antiviolence/facts.html
http://blog.amnestyusa.org/us/violence-against-women-is-a-u-s-problem-too/
500 women getting raped a day. Thank god women do not suffer from any gender crimes in the US amirite.
>>5451147
the white race is a bunch of nerds
who needs them
>>5451164
Ne'quisha just burned dem crackas XD lmao
>>5451164
oy vey puppet the white race is the only hope for mankind join me and ascendddd too goooddddhooOOOddd
>>5451189
I think the term is "white fragility"
>>5451131
I'm sure that all the famous false rape cases such as the mattress girl case are helping reduce violence. Bravo, feminism.
>>5451201
>famous false rape cases
Rape accusations that are provably false are an extremely small percentage.
I'll leave it to you to find the numbers since you are making a claim on their importance.
>>5451238
heh
our strength is outbreeding you. whites r doomd
>>5451222
Rape accusations that are provable are an extremely small percentage too.
>that feminist double standard
>>5447746
Gays aren't equal desu. Until I can hold my bf's hand in public everywhere without comment, and kids stop being heteronormative gays won't be equal. I think this is more the fault of pridefags though.
Since when did a woman have to hide her gender in public, on job applications and to acquaintances, or face assault or mockery for not doing so?
>>5451271
We'll never be equal.
Breeders hate us from the bottom of their wretched hearts and would want nothing more than see us brutally murdered.
>>5451271
I think the main problem that a lot of straights have is that when they see gay stuff, they automatically reduce it to gay sex. Like, they don't think about our feelings of longing and attachment, of affections or even holding hands. They think gay relationships are all about sex, and that's why it's deemed as "inappropriate" for children, even though children experience these feelings well before they even know what sex is.
As long as we have that misconception, people will discriminate against us for being perverts. Thankfully with more representation in media and just like the internet in general, people are starting to dispel these beliefs.
>>5451269
I'm sure women are very keen on thrashing their own reputation by going through the whole legal process of a rape accusation when they know the very same thing you're saying: that it's fucking hard to prove.
You can count on
1. most rapes going unreported,
2. most of reported rapes not leading to a conviction, and
3. false rape accusations being very, very rare.
Because of exactly what you said.
>>5451335
>most of reported rapes not leading to a conviction
That goes for most crimes.
>>5450890
>Keep raging though, it's pretty entertaining.
That's the "I drink male tears mindset".
Literally that's exactly it. Don't adress criticism and act smug about it.
Good job. I am mad and I'd genuinely kill you if I met you irl. People like you need to be gassed.
>>5451335
The average female cop will tell you that false rape accusations are a very common occurrence.
>>5451355
This is disingenuous because let's be honest, you've already made up your mind and you're not going to actually listen to explanations and evidence that conflict with your world view will just be reasoned away. At the same time, you readily eat up statements like >>5451356
and >>5451348
without question because they fit into your narrative. Nobody on 4chan actually wants to understand feminism or rape culture. They just need an enemy to vilify in order to feel just in their misogyny.
>>5451268
> whites r doomd
It's obviously a good thing. Who wants to live in a house that's burning down?
>>5451379
What's wrong with misogyny though? I am genuinely uninterested in women or women's rights of any hue. I think the world would be more appealing if all women were confined to the private sphere.
I bet you think gender and sexuality is socially constructed, and yet you think morals are some eternal truth. You're convincing no one.
>>5451379
What you said literally applies to all of humanity (confirmation bias). It's disingenuous to pretend it doesn't equally apply to arguments to go against your narrative.
>>5451405
Then they look at me funny when I say /pol/ is in the air.
>>5451379
This isn't about narratives that you want pushed. This is about reality that we all know.
Women can lie about rape, and all women know that even an accusation of rape
will destroy a man's life.
They even try to redifine rape to be any and all sexual interactions with the male sex.
Even worse anything ANYTHING men do is now considered some form of rape or dominance directed at women even if what he's doing is something as simple and working out or programming a game about fighting alien robots from mars.
It's a form of deep narcissim and needing to create an enemy or give voice or a face to their own sexual hangups.
A man wanting to fuck an attractive woman does not mean he wants to rape another woman in particular. It's wierd.
Ironically enough these same women will lionize rape if the woman is the rapist.
I mean, can anyone define "rape culture"?
>>5451433
Not /pol/. In Western academia, The Geneaology of Morals is an increasingly seminal book. Many historians now accept that conventional morality arose around the period of the Lateran Council of 1215, which formalized confession (and hence attendant guilt at 'morality'). Open your mind a little, and realise you are inconsistent.
>>5451434
>can anyone define "rape culture"?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_culture
Every once in a while I have to remind myself how utterly ignorant and unwilling to learn people are when it comes to feminism.
At least we conclusively established it that there is a gender pay gap caused directly by sexism.
And I hope a couple people understand now the position of radical feminism with respect to homosexuality, transsexuality, and so on.
The insurgence of /pol/ shitposters today is probably the backlash against a partly successful education about feminism on /lgbt/.
>>5451405
You literally hate half of the global population so that's why it's dumb and bad.
I'm not sure if you mean sex is socially constructed, because sexuality is sort of like what a person finds sexually arousing and I don't think that's something anyone has any conscious control of. However I while concede that our sexual preferences are influenced by societal bias to some degree, such as placing whites as the model of beauty. But sex is determined by genes, not society, although intersex people demonstrate that it's not always such a simple binary.
As far as gender goes, gender roles are very much defined by society or even by person to person. For example, everyone has wildly varying rules of "what it means to be a man" so I'm more of the opinion that everyone has their own interpretation of gender. I honestly don't think it's that big of a deal. I know my own gender and I don't see the point in forcing my definition of gender onto someone else. I'm a guy, born with a penis, and like it that way.
I don't really think absolute morality exists but I do think there are ethical and moral standards that are more conducive to society. I guess it's some mixture of utilitarianism and other ethical theories but in my opinion what is "right" is whatever reduces human suffering and enmity in the world and whatever increases human pleasure. So obviously misogyny flies in the face of that because it discourages understanding and connection with half the human population.
I don't know if you wanted a well thought out response or a shitpost but there it is. I think you'll find you'll be a much happier person if you didn't think you were persecuted for your beliefs all the time. If you open yourself up to empathy and understand to people who aren't exactly like you, you might find that the world is far more complex, and yet there is less to fear because as a whole society is getting better.
>>5451466
>a partly successful education about feminism on /lgbt/.
Let's be real here aside from potentially /lesgen/ you won't find any supporters on /lgbt/.
>>5451335
All that feminist doublethink.
A false accusation does not require going through to trial. A false police report and investigation is sufficient to have negative social consequences. Charges being filed have extremely negative consequences. No need for a trial for that to happen.
You can count on:
1. most false accusations going on unreported
2. most false accusations not leading to a conviction
3. true rape accusations being very, very rare
Because of exactly what you said.
It's funny because the post was about the double standard of using proven charges vs reports to determine false accusations vs incidents of rape. As usual, feminists cannot actually address what is being discussed.
>>5451466
>The insurgence of /pol/ shitposters today is probably the backlash against a partly successful education about feminism on /lgbt/.
Holy fuck you are delusional, and your reliance on marking anyone who opposes your views, aggressively or otherwise, as "/pol/" only serves to further inflame existing tensions. I have never been to /pol/ in my life. My main boards are /lgbt/, /tg/, and /co/. I have been largely ambivalent about feminism until now.
Reading your posts in these threads over the past few days has certainly given me an "education" about feminism. But it's probably not the education you intended.
>>5451469
Why is hate 'bad'? Once more, morality is a social construct, and I don't get my morality from this fucking madhouse of a world.
I don't hate others man, but this world is sick. I know we had more wars, slavery, torture and so on in the past, but I think the net was more positive than it is now. Don't tell me you wouldn't jump at the chance to be one of Babur's retainers, following him from his childhood, until you eventually gain glory by conquering Hindustan with him, raiding and enslaving as you go. THAT is a full life, no matter the suffering you undergo. And Babur was plenty 'civilized'.
>>5451533
For what it's worth anon, not all feminism or feminists are like this idiot.
>>5451434
>This is about reality that we all know.
No. Let's begin
>Women can lie about rape
Sure
>all women know that even an accusation of rape
will destroy a man's life
No. Even if a woman has been raped, she knows if she decides to come forwards with it she will face a barrage of skepticism and victim blaming and the chances of her rapist ever seeing any actual jail time is minimal
>They even try to redifine rape to be any and all sexual interactions with the male sex.
Laughably wrong
>Even worse anything ANYTHING men do is now considered some form of rape or dominance directed at women even if what he's doing is something as simple and working out or programming a game about fighting alien robots from mars.
Is this a gamergate plug? ok, yeah, nah
>It's a form of deep narcissim and needing to create an enemy or give voice or a face to their own sexual hangups.
," the /pol/ poster wrote without any self-awareness. Again. No.
>A man wanting to fuck an attractive woman does not mean he wants to rape another woman in particular.
True
>Ironically enough these same women will lionize rape if the woman is the rapist.
No
>I mean, can anyone define "rape culture"?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_culture
>>5451506
Anon, the very first day I came here and complained about some transfolk just going too far, there was immediately multiple transpeople agreeing.
I'm guessing they just don't give a fuck about joining fierce discussions so only those with a hateful opposition remain active. But hopefully the silent audience/lurkers get some education out of it.
>>5451533
>I have never been to /pol/ in my life.
Sweet anon, you are pretty much in /polgbt/ right now. How much do you even /lgbt/? >>5415092 (Half troll half serious thread, if you pay attention.)
>>5451545
>actually thinking Wikipedia pages aren't anything but the ramblings of women and autists on toilet breaks between slicking sessions.
>>5451417
It's cute that ya'll copycat the same words I use in order to establish equal footing in debate. And while I'm not saying I'm immune from confirmation bias, I do try to not make snap judgments about statements and try to find the depth in meaning. When people say, "Men make more than women" I don't go, "Oh that's obviously wrong because then we could just hire women" but instead try to find out why that is. And then you see that women make less because they're less likely to ask for raises than men because they haven't been raised with the same sense of entitlement and also have to worry about pregnancy which companies punish.
Feminism has depth, and solutions. They not only point out how society mistreats women, but they explain how it happens, the cause of these attitudes, and what an individual can do to circumvent these things. When I look at the men's rights movement, I see none of this. They just complain about how men are mistreated, but they don't examine what societal attitudes result in this and what people can do to correct this. It's all just bitching, and while feminism is actually trying to get shit done, men's rights activists just try and stall them and keep shit the same.
>>5451545
>Even if a woman has been raped, she knows if she decides to come forwards with it she will face a barrage of skepticism
Not who you're arguing with, but that's how it should be with all crimes until shown evidence of the opposite. If you've been violently raped, proving it is pretty fucking simple since you'll be covered in bruises and traces of semen will be found.
>>5451517
Well congrats on putting all that effort into that post but converting all those things basically just made them laughably wrong.
>A false accusation does not require going through to trial.
Any rape accusations involves going through a ton of shit.
>A false police report and investigation is sufficient to have negative social consequences.
Yeah, on the woman herself.
And so on, I'm too tired for this shit.
>>5451542
I know. I actually have (sane) friends who are feminists. My sister IS a radical feminist. Like, self-defined, actually does shit in her community related to promoting said beliefs, etcetera. But unlike this guy she actually presents her views in a persuasive manner that doesn't antagonize or condescend to her audience, so even when I disagree with her on things the end result isn't me thinking that feminism is batshit crazy, just an ideology I don't always see eye-to-eye with.
>>5451466
It's been conclusively proven that there is not only no pay gap caused by SEX but women in fact get more benefits in the work place and from the government as well as more social considerations.
Even more interesting?
Women are far more readily and easily employed then men and have more money.
HOWEVER women, single women, tend to be both poorer then single men of the same age and social background as well as report lower levels of happiness and contentment.
>>5451547
>the very first day I came here and complained about some transfolk just going too far, there was immediately multiple transpeople agreeing.
>People accept a general a general opinion, they must support feminism
The majority of non trans people here and a significant of trans people consider the extreme trannies as delusional freaks.
Doesn't mean they actually agree with you, in fact the backlash against threads like these is proof they don't.
And contrary to what you might desperately believe, we don't like /pol/.
We don't like either of you.
>>5451564
>STILL ignoring the actual point
Feminists, everyone.
>>5451557
>Feminism has depth, and solutions. They not only point out how society mistreats women, but they explain how it happens, the cause of these attitudes, and what an individual can do to circumvent these things. When I look at the men's rights movement, I see none of this. They just complain about how men are mistreated, but they don't examine what societal attitudes result in this and what people can do to correct this. It's all just bitching, and while feminism is actually trying to get shit done, men's rights activists just try and stall them and keep shit the same.
None of that is true, and mra doesn't actually exist as far as the entire world is concerned.
>>5451557
Oh please. I've seen you gloss over many valid points other people have been made before. You can't even prove some of your fundamental stances esp. regarding pornography. The common copout is something along the lines of "you can't put society in a testtub" or whatever.
>>5451557
Feminism relies too heavily on discourse theory. Every feminist historian I have read misinterprets sources to fit her narrative biases -- take Virginia Burrus for instance, everything is reducible to some nebulous concept backed by reference to other similarly flawed academic works.
There is no fun there, no genuine introspection that understands humam beings, if influenced by society at all, are influenced by more discourses than the one you privilege in your book. A rapist, for instance, can hate a woman he rapes, but want the absolute best for his own daughter.
>>5451552
That's exactly what I mean when I wrote
>evidence that conflict with your world view will just be reasoned away
Wikipedia is a reasonably reliable source of introductory information. Don't be obstinate.
>>5451538
>Why is hate 'bad'?
If you don't understand why this question is retarded, you're retarded.
And you must be blind to history if you think that we don't live in the most net positive time in history than ever before. The sheer amount of people who have a chance at happiness and fulfillment alone is better than it ever has been. The problem with going back in time is that the amount of people who "had it good" was exceedingly low. If you WERE born a century or two ago, chances are your life would have been tough, miserable, and short. You would not have been royalty because those people were a fraction of a percentage of the global population.
>>5451593
>We get this shit in /lesgen/ and it generally gets laughed out too.
YES. Thank you anon.
You fueled this spark of hope in my heart.
Hope that one day this shit will just fuck off back to tumblr.
>>5451602
One can only hope.
Though the ineffectual flailing is kinda entertaining, I really would prefer my peace and quiet and normal shitposting.
>>5451568
>Studies by Michael Conway et al., David Wagner and Joseph Berger, John Williams and Deborah Best, and Susan Fiske et al. found widely shared cultural beliefs that men are more socially valued and more competent than women at most things, as well as specific assumptions that men are better at some particular tasks (e.g., math, mechanical tasks) while women are better at others (e.g., nurturing tasks).[58][59][60][61]
>David R. Hekman and colleagues found that men receive significantly higher customer satisfaction scores than equally well-performing women. Customers who viewed videos featuring a female and a male actor playing the role of an employee helping a customer were 19% more satisfied with the male employee's performance and also were more satisfied with the store's cleanliness and appearance although the actors performed identically, read the same script, and were in exactly the same location with identical camera angles and lighting. In a second study, they found that male doctors were rated as more approachable and competent than equally well performing female doctors. They interpret their findings to suggest that customer ratings tend to be inconsistent with objective indicators of performance and should not be uncritically used to determine pay and promotion opportunities. They contend that customer biases have potential adverse effects on female employees' careers.[73][74][75][76][77]
>>5451611
>Though the ineffectual flailing is kinda entertaining, I really would prefer my peace and quiet and normal shitposting.
True dat.
We got enough to deal with already without political vomit everywhere.
>>5451612
>the entire gender pay gap can be accounted for by other factors
>B-BUT GUYS A COUPLE OF STUDIES THAT HAVE NO CONNECTION TO DATA ON PAY SHOW BIAS
lol feminists
>>5451624
Truuuue enough.
Though, I suppose we were about due for the other side of the coin after a couple of years of benign pol baitposting.
>>5451562
The problem is is that brutal, bloody rape is the minority of rape cases. Rape normally comes in the form of someone you know, someone who you think could never do something like that. So it really boils down to a lot of "he said, she said" and, given the way our justice system works, is not enough to result in a conviction. For the most part, our justice system works in trying crimes, but in the case of rape, since sex is normally already such a discreet thing, it's hard to prove. That's why feminist focus their efforts on fighting rape culture, on teaching men that they're not entitled to sex if they're "nice" enough to a girl, of telling people to step in and make sure a girl is okay. In order to prevent rape in the first place.
>>5451578
>None of that is true
that's the argument you're going for? okay.
>>5451584
>regarding pornography
when the fuck did I talk about pornography
>>5451612
>Ironically enough people will not think about the actual deeper implications of what this means and only use the findings to superficially masturbate over how right they are.
>Even more hilarious? They'll use this as a reason to shit on males even more in academia and try to push insane feminist dogma that does more to denigrate women and enforce this negative view.
>>5451567
>>5451593
>>5451602
>>5451611
Honestly, I can't think anything else than concluding that this is some serious /pol/ brainwashing. I mean, this is 4chan after all, literally every board is /pol/ to some degree.
The most condescending, inane, spammy, trollish, insult-laden posts in these discussions continue to come from those arguing against feminism.
I mean in that very post one of you say "fuck off back to tumblr", and that's pretty much the tone of whole threads on this topic.
Meanwhile your inane radfem bullshit shitposter is trying to give the best advice to people pondering on transitioning, tries to clarify misconceptions about radfems supposedly calling transwomen rapist pedophiles, provides people tons of screencaps from several feminist classics, and links people to high-profile feminist websites.
It's incredibly self-deluding to claim that the more hostile and shitpostish side here is those trying to clear people up on /pol/'s lies about feminism.
Of course, everybody hates being criticized, but to claim that the other side is the one starting the hostility and pulling down the quality of discussion, that's really dishonest.
>all these sjw's that have been hanging around lgbt recently
Get the fuck out we aren't interested in your dogma, and you are not welcome here
Fucking mods ban this shit
>>5451596
Wikipedia is in no way reliable. And you're kidding yourself in thinking anybody goes beyond a Wikipedia page. No definition is better than just a Wikipedia definition.
My history supervisor put it well in saying that Medieval times were no better nor worse than those of today, and each time has its own problems. You might think the past was worse, but if your only measure is material success (health, income) you're not thinking hard enough. What about extended family, spirituality, a sense of purpose, contentment from lack of ambition, security from change? We moderns lack all these things. To top it off, the state is far more intrusive nowadays than it was.
As far as social mobility goes, the world has always had plenty of it. Chaucer means shoemaker, after all. Fewer people could succeed, sure, but perhaps that is a good thing, since only a small fraction of those who succeed today are worthy. I'd do away with half of today's journalists for another John Donne.
Also, Athens had a free population of maybe 120,000 at its height; Italy had 5 million -- look at what they produced. Comparable populations are useless today. What has Doncaster and Ireland done of worth these past 10 years really?
>>5451641
>benign pol baitposting.
I remember that one.
>Muh immigration, muh islam, muh christian values
They get bullied quite a lot.
>>5451643
>So it really boils down to a lot of "he said, she said" and, given the way our justice system works, is not enough to result in a conviction.
That's the way it should be. No evidence; no conviction. If there is no sign of struggle, how can you be absolutely certain that it was rape and not just sexual intercourse?
>rape culture
>implying this is something that actually exists
And no a wikipedia article is not proof that it's real.
>>5451568
>>5451626
>>5451644
>Similarly, a study (2000) conducted by economic experts Claudia Goldin from Harvard University and Cecilia Rouse from Princeton University shows that when evaluators of applicants could see the applicant's gender they were more likely to select men. When the applicants gender could not be observed, the number of women hired significantly increased.[78][79]
>David Neumark, a Professor of Economics at the University of California, Irvine, and colleagues (1996) found statistically significant evidence of sex discrimination against women in hiring. In an audit study, matched pairs of male and female pseudo-job seekers were given identical résumés and sent to apply for jobs as waiters and waitresses at the same set of restaurants. In high priced restaurants, a female applicant's probability of getting an interview was 35 percentage points lower than a male's and her probability of getting a job offer was 40 percentage points lower.
>Perceptions of wage entitlement differ between women and men such that men are more likely to feel worthy of higher pay.[120][121][122][123][124][125][126] while women's sense of wage entitlement is depressed.[127][128]
>>5451655
>muh /pol/ boogeyman
It must be mighty convenient to have such an easy scapegoat for writing off the viewpoints of everyone on this site that doesn't agree with you. You and /pol/ deserve each other, you're intellectual equals.
>>5451660
>/pol/ soundly defeated in every point
>waah mods make them go away
Every time.
>>5451673
Meanwhile elsewhere on /lgbt/:
>>5415092
>>5451655
Fuck you and your cult. You come here and demand we adopt your beliefs. We don't want none of it. Get the fuck out.
>>5451680
And? I haven't posted in that thread any more than I've ever posted on /pol/.
>>5451655
>You dont like me? You're pol!
Actually nope, Im a feminist. I'm also a lesbian.
I dont like you, I dont like rad fems, I dont like sjws.
I want you out of my /lgbt/, I want radfems out of my feminism, and I want SJWs out of my internet.
Sadly, I cannot enforce these things.
Instead, I'll just sit here and call you a cunt.
Also just gonna inb4 here:
"You are probably just a straight cis het white man saying he's a lesbian and feminist becuase it's a cover to prevent criticism."
And just to throw it out there, I've never even BEEN on /pol/.
Though, a /pol/ ex-friend of mine did try to rape me outside a club once when he was drunk.
But im sure that didnt happen either, did it?
>almost 2016
>still believing the "gender pay gap is a myth" meme
>>5451681
I don't expect anyone to adopt shit. I'd like people to stop being so incredibly hostile against something which they are constantly being misinformed about.
You could say my intent is mostly to exorcise the /pol/ in /lgbt/. If they weren't here, I wouldn't be here either.
>>5451698
It's about 7%; it's not nearly as big of a deal as you are making it. Everyone is hurt far more by rising costs of living and the like.
http://www.aauw.org/files/2013/02/graduating-to-a-pay-gap-the-earnings-of-women-and-men-one-year-after-college-graduation.pdf
>>5451698
>If they weren't here, I wouldn't be here either.
Please. Both /pol/ and radfems are equal-opportunity when it comes to colonizing other spaces in the hopes of spreading their ideologies.
>>5451655
>I mean in that very post one of you say "fuck off back to tumblr", and that's pretty much the tone of whole threads on this topic.
Because you should go back to tumblr.
We have no interest in your toxic ideology that does us more harm than good, backstabbed us repeatedly then has the guts to call us traitors.
Your whole feminist nonsense should just gtfo.
We don't want you here, nor do we want you to inject this place with your venom.
We got enough trouble with /pol/ visiting this place way more often than a healthy straight person should, and now we have you fucks here too.
You speak about "curing us" from /pol/ influence, and I'll admit that /pol/ is a disease, but you're a disease just as bad as they are.
JUST GET OUT
>>5451688
>And? I haven't posted in that thread any more than I've ever posted on /pol/.
Well, the same people posting in that thread are posting all over /lgbt/, most likely.
And going on a hissy fit every time someone mentions feminism and otherwise spreading /pol/ opinions.
>>5451692
So you call yourself a feminist and then use the sexism equivalent of the word "nigger" to insult someone. (That would be "cunt".)
Of course, spending so much time on 4chan and some other places probably makes you unaware that that is exactly what the word "cunt" is, so you will now try to retort by saying it's ridiculous to claim such a thing about that word.
>Also just gonna inb4 here:
>"You are probably just a straight cis het white man saying he's a lesbian and feminist becuase it's a cover to prevent criticism."
Didn't even cross my mind. Not my argumentation style. I generally believe people when they claim things about themselves or their personal experience, unless I have a very good reason not to believe them.
>I've never even BEEN on /pol/.
Yeah well, /pol/ is here, you don't need to go to them. That's the whole problem here.
>Though, a /pol/ ex-friend of mine did try to rape me outside a club once when he was drunk.
Well holy fucking shit. How can you still be cool with them coming to this board and spreading their culture then? I'm guessing you have the common neoliberal mindset of always seeing such problems as individual problems. Never a cultural, systemic reason behind such things. Always just individual bad apples who dropped out of the sky.
>>5451670
You're misunderstanding my point. I don't think this is necessarily a feminist stance, but I think making the conditions for convictions of rape cases more lenient is dangerous. Instead, feminists focus on educating people on and combatting rape culture.
As far as Wikipedia not being a reliable source, pic related. Lose your tinfoil hat if you want to have a conversation with adults
>>5451664
>Fewer people could succeed, sure, but perhaps that is a good thing, since only a small fraction of those who succeed today are worthy
This I fundamentally disagree with and it's that kind of elitist bullshit that white people are all to ready to adopt.
>What about extended family
We are now more connected than ever before
>spirituality
Religion has not always been a force of good on the world
>a sense of purpose
Has never gone away
>contentment from lack of ambition
Fuck this
>security from change
Fuck this
Please take your meds. Pic related.
>>5451643
>that's the argument you're going for? okay.
"Hey Daddy, my teacher said that water comes from magic elves is that true?
"No princess, that's wrong"
"Is that the argument you're going with Daddy"
"Shut up and go get ready for bed Princess, daddy has to go talk to your teacher tomorrow"
>>5451671
Nowhere does that actually state that women are paid less. It actually says that women are less likely to want or go for higher pay because of social factors.
Something that a fucking highschool student from the 50's could tell you.
A woman feeling that she doesn't deserve higher pay does not mean that she does not get equal pay.
>>5451547
>multiple transpeople
You mean Miranda Yardley? The thread where he was talking down to all the younger people and saying they shouldn't get hormones so easy?
Late transitioning creeps like him who make no effort to look female, make women uncomfortable with looking like a old bald man, and harass younger people and try to get their meds taken away aren't liked. The fact he thinks what he pulls on women and younger trans us cool because his radical feminism only makes it worse.
People here don't like the tumblr feels/no meds stuff, but creepy old men like him will always be worse.
>>5451721
>Because you should go back to tumblr.
Give me a reason to even read the rest of a post after seeing such a thing?
Of course I'm going to do it anyway.
... OK, I didn't learn anything useful from reading it. I mean, you haven't even told me why the fuck you would be mad. I spent days telling people that radical feminism is inherently pro-LGBT. All you're doing is blandly assert that we're a boogeyman and need to be persecuted.
>>5451721
/pol/ isn't nearly as bad as Tumblr. We actually support freedom of speech. We just bitch and moan about how free speech digs us into a hole.
>>5451741
>Nowhere does that actually state that women are paid less.
[sighing intensifies]
>>5451680
I think /pol/ is an absolute shithole but I love /polgbt/ because I love the idea of homophobic /pol/-tan steadily realizing his inner homosexuality and falling for /lgbt/-tan because we're just so kawaii. It's basically tsundere and I love it because Japanese children's cartoons.
>>5451738
>As far as Wikipedia not being a reliable source,
Nope, I didn't actually make that claim.
The wikipedia article is simply describing something that is common in feminist theory. Your list of "citations" is nothing more than a bunch of different feminists writers talking about what they believe to be the so called "rape culture." Like I said, earlier prove that "rape culture" is something real and actually exists. To be more specific, let's take the very opening wikipedia line as our baseline:
>In feminist theory, rape culture is a setting in which rape is pervasive and normalized due to societal attitudes about gender and sexuality.
Really? Last time I checked, rape is illegal in the first world. Prove to me that rape is "pervasive and normalized."
>>5447487
>sour graping this hard
>2015
>>5451757
That's the interpretation of /polgbt/ that I also like. It's basically a good troll against /pol/. But I'm afraid it does more harm to /lgbt/ in total.
>>5451760
>all your citations are lies and I will never believe anything you say!
Why even join the discussion?
>>5451766
[SIGHING INTENSIFIES]
>numerous studies indicate that variables such as hours worked account for only part of the gender pay gap and that the pay gap shrinks but does not disappear after controlling for all human capital variables known to affect pay.[26][27][29][32][35]
>>5447466
There are two far rights. Libertarian, who doesn't care. And Nat Soc which is constantly debating every day about it. After all nature is the common law in conservatism. You just have to prove being a fag is natural.
Liberals could care less about anything but how the majority feels on a situation. When you are unpopular you get tossed out the door.
>>5451726
Actually, I love the word cunt.
It's my favourite name for it. Vagina is too clinical. Pussy is too infantilising. The others get worse from there.
Cunt is a great word, and a great body part.
And well shit, then I guess I misjudged you on that point. It'd also mark you out as being totally different from the majority of your fellows who would immediately say "you're just lying". It's happened before.
/pol/ isnt here. Sure, some /pol/ individuals shitpost here sometimes, but since they are literally just baitposting, there is no point arguing with them. They dont care if theyre right or wrong, they just care that they're reich.
They're just here to get a rise out of people, so I ignore them. As do all sane people, since they're literally a joke.
If anything you should take it as a compliment that we're even bothering instead of just saying "lol bait gb2 tumblr" and the thread dying.
And it's because he WAS one bad apple. Sure, he had shitty views on lesbians ("You just need a good fucking"), and he was very bad at taking no for an answer, but he was also almost blackout drunk. Pol has shitty, retarded ideals, which is why I ignore them. They're not gonna get anywhere.
The western world is getting increasingly liberal and I love it.
The problem is that at the end of the liberal spectrum, lies the rad fem.
And I disagree with radfems quite vociferously.
We're leaving one set of insane extremists behind, so I dont want to wander straight into the open fucking arms of a different set of extremes, thank you very much.
>>5451767
>all citations are lies
I literally didn't say that all. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, and it has an article on rape culture as it is defined by feminist theory. The citations are from feminists and describe what rape culture is. That's it; the scope of that article is not to prove that rape culture is real or convince you to agree with feminists. That's on you. Prove to me rape culture is real. The wikipedia article on Christianity doesn't mean that Jesus was really the son of god.
>>5451764
>But I'm afraid it does more harm to /lgbt/ in total.
In your own opinion.
>>5451772
Can you source these "studies" they talk about. Because different studies have yielded vastly different results. Why should I trust those?
>>5451772
That's what I said. Your infographic is misleading and disingenuous which I correctly pointed out. Again the wage gap is 7%.
https://strawpoll.me/6378565
>>5451747
>Give me a reason to even read the rest of a post after seeing such a thing?
To motivate you so you're more likely to actually leave.
>I mean, you haven't even told me why the fuck you would be mad.
Nobody invited you here.
>I spent days telling people that radical feminism is inherently pro-LGBT.
It isn't. Pure lies. Feminism has backstabbed us multiple times. You never supported us. You used us.
You don't support gay men, you vilify them.
You don't support gay women, you vilify them.
You don't support bisexual men or women, you vilify them.
You don't support trans men/women, you vilify them or outright deny their existence.
>All you're doing is blandly assert that we're a boogeyman and need to be persecuted.
Because you are the boogeyman.
You're coming here to spread a toxic destructive ideology and get upset when we try to cure this cancer.
We've been dealing with shit for a long time now, and literally all that differs between you and /pol/ is that /pol/ openly carries their knife while you hide it behind your back.
We can't trust either of you, we don't trust either of you, and most importantly we'll never tolerate your presence on this board.
>>5451754
The pay gap is about women being paid less for doing the exact same job as a man.
Are you fucking retarded?
>>5451799
>You're coming here to spread a toxic destructive ideology
That goes for both of you. You should all just get the fuck out of /lgbt/.
>>5451747
>radical feminism is inherently pro-LGBT
>literally against porn I enjoy because it hurts your feelings
You should fuck off.
>>5451750
>/pol/ isn't nearly as bad as Tumblr.
Would you rather get hit by a full cement truck at 120 mph or an empty cement truck at 120 mph?
>>5451741
cute. You don't have a response to the points in the argument I've presented, so all you can literally do is say, "I don't believe that." We've hit that wall we inevitably reach whenever you try to engage with poltards. If you're shoving your head in the dirt then there's no need to keep replying.
>>5451760
For starters
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b1XGPvbWn0A
This is not rape but rape culture is a more nebulous term to describe men's sense of entitlement to female attention and affection. It's about blaming women for what they're wearing when they're raped. It's about false rape being stressed as more damaging than actual rape because it affects men. It's about jokes about men going to prison and expecting them to be ass-raped. Since you're only willing to read the first sentence of the article then I guess you wouldn't get that.
>>5451790
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=58arQIr882w
Not only that, the IRS audited individual businesses and found no gap.
>>5451790
>Again the wage gap is 7%.
Sources?
>>5451805
>You should all just get the fuck out of /lgbt/.
It's the board I belong.
>>5451808
A better analogy.
Would you rather have a kid call you a faggot, or would you rather have someone try to mandate your train of thought for you.
>>5451810
>that video
>proof of anything
Attractive people get complimented by creepy strangers. Fucking wow.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=75aX9mlipiY
>>5451810
>cute. You don't have a response to the points in the argument I've presented, so all you can literally do is say, "I don't believe that." We've hit that wall we inevitably reach whenever you try to engage with poltards. If you're shoving your head in the dirt then there's no need to keep replying.
That wasn't an argument.
That was you lying then posting something about the MRA strawman/boogeyman.
>>5451822
Can I punch the kid afterwards?
Also don't pretend the average /pol/ user wouldn't holocaust us to death if they could.
We all know they would.
>>5451726
>I'm guessing you have the common neoliberal mindset of always seeing such problems as individual problems. Never a cultural, systemic reason behind such things
>>5451778 not generalizing is a problem? Jesus fucking Christ; this is the same sentiment I hear from my racist room mate. When the hell did feminism turn into this >>5451726?
>>5451798
Shameless plug. radfem BTFO
I have a job to get to faggots.
Just know, /pol/ loves you. You just have a plague called leftism that keeps us far away.
>>5451807
>because it hurts your feelings
Literally wrong. It fosters rape among people who are already suspect of sexual violence.
>>5451798
THERE ARE A WHOLE TWO PEOPLE WHO LIKE ME RIGHT IN THIS THREAD
Guess who's staying.
>>5451810
Rape culture is actually about feminist creeps pedos and angry lesbians demonizing all interaction between women and men and everything men do and are victims of so they can have an eternal enemy to fight.
It's just a big goddamned umbrella term constructed to demonize men simply for existing.
By the way, is the vagina monologues included in that? Or is it the good kind of rape and thus exempt.
>>5451824
I think it's funny that even in the video you posted men are the more common and aggressive ones. And in the case of women, it's far more ubiquitous for them. Unlike in the case of this dude where he has giant biceps and is like 10/10, women don't even have to be "hot" and it will still happen to them. But of course you wouldn't believe that because why would you listen to them.
>>5451825
>That was you lying
Once again, all you can literally do is say, "I don't believe that."
>>5451842
Ironic considering lesbian relationships are oft the most emotionally physically and sexually violent of all relationships.
>>5451655
Just so you know, I don't have anything to do with that. Only thing I've done is bring up your position on rights laws related stuff, so don't blame everything on me.
It's only fair I bring up the positions you've taken on laws like HERO
>>5451547
>I came here and complained about some transfolk going too far
Had poltards agreeing with you there, senpai. Were there for that drop the T thread that was going on at the same time.
So then having meds and laws keeping land lords from cheating you out of your rental contract for being lgbt is not too far.
Know you don't like my saying this but a lot of your positions resemble theirs. Rather than getting mad when I bring up your inconsistency, you should just think about it.
>>5451740
Makes me feel bad for him more than anything. PD is out of his control, and if that's why he's so big on his ideology...
>>5451850
>so they can have an eternal enemy to fight.
It's great that you posted this after writing that feminists LITERALLY hate ALL MEN FOREVER AND ALWAYS OMG
>By the way, is the vagina monologues included in that?
D-do you know what the vagina monologues are?
>>5451862
I used to disbelieve that but after seeing how much of a bully lesbians on /lgbt/ are I'm worrying.
>>5451868
The people you are talking about happen to be anti-feminists actually.
>Milo
Yeah, one of the primary anti-feminists of our day. GamerGate dude.
>>5451842
>citation needed
>>5451842
The book 'Pornography and Civil Rights' contains a couple examples but you'll probably just yell anecdote.
It's extremely difficult to study, just like it's difficult to tell whether hate propaganda like the Nazi would do actually leads to more violence.
>>5451854
>But of course you wouldn't believe that
Of course I don't fucking believe you. You're just cherrypicking things that support your assumptions. Give me a valid study of attractive people getting hit on as they walk in public and maybe we'll see.
By the way, none of this demonstrates any sort of real "rape culture." The premise was to prove that "rape is normalized and pervasive."
>>5451885
>we should believe things without evidence
Feminism everyone.
Nazism was an authoritarian political ideology that sought power and did terrible things as most of history would support. Not equivalent to being arbitrarily against porn.
>>5451908
>*allies*
We don't have allies.
Kinda funny that pic because that's the same reason I started my hatecrusade against breeder scum.
All of them.
>>5451927
Not equivalent to porn*
>>5451848
>ARE A WHOLE TWO PEOPLE
Was one of those two people who voted for you to stay though.
Stay doesn't equate to an endorsement of your ideology.
Hope that doesn't disillusion you.
>>5451934
implying having a procreative relationship with the other sex isnt the main goal in life, please, do let your ancestors legacy end with you degenerate scum
>>5451982
Oh no not yet.
My main goal in life is to end quite a lot of legacies of a lot of ancestors.
And they're all not mine.
The pendulum swings both ways,
merciless and unforgiving.
>>5451927
>Nazism was an authoritarian political ideology that sought power and did terrible things as most of history would support.
Patriarchy is an authoritarian cultural current that seeks power and does terrible things as most of history supports.
>>5451945
God damn, thank you anon, maybe we are just misunderstanding each other really badly.
Actually I made a mistake. One of the two was me. Top kek. Anyway, of the 4 now, 3 are non-me, so yay! It's less than half but I can live with that. I mean it's 4chan.
>>5452010
Ah, you're conveniently dodging the point here. Prove to me that said porn "fosters rape among people who are already suspect of sexual violence."
>>5451934
>Kinda funny that pic because that's the same reason I started my hatecrusade against breeder scum.
lol, that's not the reason at all. It's because your austic ass got heart broken over your straight crushes and because you got dumped by some bisexual at some point in time -not because you are a miserable person to be around but because they were chasing after the opposite sex.
>>5451896
this was fun, but i have to go now. See you shitposting later :3
>>5452061
>not because you are a miserable person to be around but because they were chasing after the opposite sex.
Oh I do admit I'm a horrible miserable hateful piece of shit.
But society made me this way.
So feel sorry for me.
>>5452018
>>radfem Anon going this pol
That wasn't me.
>That's why they, being around that time, happened to agree with your 'trannies have gone too far' thread
But the ones agreeing were transsexuals and they sounded very sane and lucid.
>>5452048
Like I said, proving that the availability of a certain media causes a certain attitude is incredibly hard.
There were accounts of husbands buying porn mags, seeing sadistic stuff in them, then doing that to their wife (forcibly of course). There was an account by a girl who in a forest was raped by hunters who were jacking off to a porn mag before seeing her and were clearly motivated by the porn (it was apparent in the wording they used and such, you should read the exact case yourself to understand the link). There were accounts by women who said their rapists would turn them around as they turned the pages of the porn mags, trying out all the different "positions" on the rape victim.
Pornography, for men already suspect of sexual violence, functions as some sort of cultural coming together, celebrating all the ways you can hurt a woman, patting each other on the back for how good a rape that was. It's a fundamentally different mindset than your average nerd jacking off in front of his PC of course, like the 10 year-old me back then.
>>5452124
>Like I said, proving that the availability of a certain media causes a certain attitude is incredibly hard.
So you admit you have nothing. All you can list are some anecdotes that support your biased viewpoint so obviously you must be right.
You know, this reminds me a lot of soccer moms being against violent video games. It's about the same line of argumentation.
>Can't you see! It's just so clear!
>>5452124
>were transsexuals
You mean pol tards talking up some narrative about how trannies wanted to rape lesbians?
Yea, sure your secret admirers weren't the same people who said they thought infighting was funny.
>>5451831
>not generalizing is a problem?
You're allowed to generalize "problem/privileged groups" (ie: men).
>>5452010
>Patriarchy is an authoritarian cultural current that seeks power and does terrible things as most of history supports.
That would be valid, if Patriarchy was in any way provable.
>>5452140
Anon, can you prove to me objectively that racist propaganda leads to violence? I bet you'll have quite a hard time finding clear cut evidence for that.
>>5452155
No, I really mean lucid trans people saying that yes, some of the "transwomen are like TOTALLY absolutely real women, no more questions" is kind of obnoxious and disrespectful towards female-born women... Nothing crazy like you imply.
>>5452168
Is capitalism provable?
>>5447472
this!
>>5451798
>66 original IPs in the thread
>only 11 votes
Please.
I bet 50 of those IPs were /pol/ shitposters though.
>>5452236
>Anon, can you prove to me objectively that racist propaganda leads to violence?
I never made this claim. I won't because it's a dumb claim to make. There's plenty of racist propaganda on the internet right now.
Let's go through this again. You believe that dominance based porn "fosters rape among people who are already suspect of sexual violence." But why do you believe this if there is no evidence beyond a few stories to support this?
Do you believe that violent video games leads to violence in children? Why or why not?
>>5452249
>Everyone who posted in this thread is monitoring it constantly just waiting to get in their next reply.
Some of us have lives outside of shitposting on a board they don't belong on.
>>5452259
>There's plenty of racist propaganda on the internet right now.
What if it were on TV every day?
>But why do you believe this if there is no evidence beyond a few stories to support this?
>Do you believe that violent video games leads to violence in children?
Well there's a fundamental misunderstanding here. Porn and violent video games play small parts in a whole culture that is full of symbols of violence, sexual domination, and so on and so forth. They're pieces of the puzzle. They are symptoms as well as part of the illness.
I want a world where people's mindset towards sexuality is fundamentally different, such that 99% of everyone would agree that your average hardcore porn that we have today is very cold, disgusting, a worryingly violent way to have sex, and so on.
>>5452236
>some
That specific person was Yardley. Gets off on arguing that the requirements for HRT should be made more onerous and young people kept from them.
It's really just a late transitioning middle aged man who puts no effort into appearance and burdens actual women that way. Talking down to people younger than him, and writing things irl to try and keep them from HRT is just his way of raising himself above others.
Still just helping nasty people.
>>5452156
Poe's law.
Is this the rad fem responding to my post, or someone else sarcastically posting a rad fem position?
>>5452290
>What if it were on TV every day?
I don't know. Is dominance based porn on TV every day?
>They are symptoms as well as part of the illness.
What illness?
>I want a world where people's mindset towards sexuality is fundamentally different, such that 99% of everyone would agree that your average hardcore porn that we have today is very cold, disgusting, a worryingly violent way to have sex, and so on.
Why do you care what people do in the privacy of their bedrooms? Why is it wrong to be submissive or dominant sexuality?
Is the rad fem poster straight and cis?
>>5452292
>>5452236
I mean agree that someone who medically transitions is more of some sort of acquired intersex, but a lot of people who pile on to those things happen to be older politically connected/monies guys who push themselves onto others and think kicking down kid half their age somehow makes them more trans.
Those entitled old guys only joined a 'feminism' pile on because it lets them control legitimacy. Even use it as cover to try and deprive younger people of their meds.
They're worse than Jenner.
>>5452236
>No, I really mean lucid trans people saying that yes, some of the "transwomen are like TOTALLY absolutely real women, no more questions" is kind of obnoxious and disrespectful towards female-born women... Nothing crazy like you imply.
You'll find that most tranny on this board agree that they're different from natal women, yet they will never agree with the radfems.
You can use that one quote by Dworkin all you want, and puppets around all the uncle-toms like Yardley, the fact is the current movement *is* trans-excluding.
>>5452325
Duh.
What else?
>>5452304
Someone else. I thought that was rather obvious though.
>>5452310
>I don't know. Is dominance based porn on TV every day?
Graphics of women looking at you with "fuck me" eyes and women behaving similar to how they behave in porn is on TV every day, in music clips and shit.
>What illness?
Sexual violence culture. "Rape culture."
>Why do you care what people do in the privacy of their bedrooms?
What they concretely do doesn't matter. It's the mentality. The mentality determines what else they will do, outside of their bedrooms.
>>5452325
For some value of straight and for some value of cis, yes.
I think I count as GNC and sometimes I envy how nice women look but ultimately I'm fine with my own body, especially if I care for it a little.
I seem biologically het but I'd have cuddlesex with anyone I like and who somehow manages to arouse me.
Pic related depicts how I feel right now.
>>5452325
As far as he knows...
Talked about anal in an earlier thread so probable fgt in denial. That's why he hangs out with us.
>>5452346
>Talked about anal in an earlier thread
I don't remember doing that...
Anyway I'm open to anything, there's no denial anywhere.
>>5452344
>Graphics of women looking at you with "fuck me" eyes and women behaving similar to how they behave in porn is on TV every day, in music clips and shit.
What's wrong with this?
>Sexual violence culture. "Rape culture."
Prove this is real and negatively impacts people.
>The mentality determines what else they will do, outside of their bedrooms.
You also need a citation for this.
>>5452344
So that mean fem guys and traps are game or...
>>5452344
>Someone else. I thought that was rather obvious though.
How about putting on a tripcode
>>5452346
>fgt in denial
my guess would be he's one of those bisex dudes who wants some a female to dominate him and "force" him to suck and take dick because of some bullshit internalized homophobia.
>>5452344
>Someone else. I thought that was rather obvious though.
It's not at all obvious,and that's kind of a problem.
"Poe's law is an internet adage which states that, without a clear indicator of the author's intent, parodies of extremism are indistinguishable from sincere expressions of extremism."
I can't tell who's parodying you, and what you're actually posting. Stop posting as anonymous if you want to be properly represented.
>>5452357
>>Graphics of women looking at you with "fuck me" eyes and women behaving similar to how they behave in porn is on TV every day, in music clips and shit.
>What's wrong with this?
Giving men the idea that women are all internally like that.
And women even internalize it.
>Prove this is real and negatively impacts people.
[insert statistics of sexual assault]
>You also need a citation for this.
Uhm, a person's overall mentality towards sexuality affecting their sexual behavior isn't that big of a leap is it?
BTW I'm getting reeeally tired and wrist pains. I'd like to stop.
The following discussion is a lot more interesting right now:
>>5452358
Traps are absolutely fucking delicious. They drive me mad sometimes.
Femboys less so. They tend to have more obvious markers of biological maleness I believe (or the way their pictures tend to be taken). Hence thinking I seem biologically het. It's very rare that an obvious male attracts me, though there are some exceptions...
>>5452361
I'll leave again soon actually. I've burnt myself out over the past week.
>>5452367
>wants some a female to dominate him
No, women are mentally associated with niceness for me.
>internalized homophobia
Would someone with internalized homophobia be open about being fine with anal and oral?..
By the way I browsed /a/ a lot. Explains some things?
>>5452372
Well Poe's Law doesn't contain any implications about whether the "extreme ideology" is legitimate or not. There can be legitimate extreme ideologies. Abolitionism was one.
>>5452389
>Traps
You're probably bi and in denial
>Femboys
Lot of them use hormones and even mtf procedures. There isn't a huge diference asides from the fact they identify as male and like to present as effeminate boys.
Which really makes the main distinction the way they dress and present. Blured line in other words.
>>5452389
>And women even internalize it.
Women can't be open about their sexuality? What's wrong with it? The media gives women false impressions of men too. Is that okay?
>[insert statistics of sexual assault]
It's been on decline for decades. What's your point? How can you prove this so called "rape culture" is real, and that it causes sexual assault.
>Uhm, a person's overall mentality towards sexuality affecting their sexual behavior isn't that big of a leap is it?
You said that the behavior "determines what else they will do, outside of their bedrooms" which implies more than sexual behavior.
>>5452389
>[insert statistics of sexual assault]
Yo do realize sexual assault has multiple causes ? The fact that it happens does not confirm your theory by itself, you need to show data relating the relevant factors and the stats. (correlating porn consumption vs rate of assault, for example).
>isn't that big of a leap is it?
That's a common sense fallacy.
I think the problem is you don't understand "proving something". Sociology is a quantitative science now, you can't just write a book with your theory and say that's proof (however "not big of a leap" it is). Policy should be inspired by sociological findings with numerical data, not muh feels.
>>5452420
>>Traps
>You're probably bi and in denial
How the fuck can I be in "denial" when I simply acknowledge absolutely all sexual arousal I feel.
Hell, I won't even refuse to acknowledge that every once in a while, a child is arousing because she happened to behave in a coquettish way or something. (I see people screaming pedo now but if you're het and you've been around little girls a lot and you claim that *absolutely* never happened to you then you're either strange or simply lying. Most likely lying.)
>>Femboys
>Lot of them use hormones and even mtf procedures.
Huh, maybe I don't know what a femboy is.
Pics please.
>>5452453
>you don't understand "proving something"
Prove to me that racist propaganda leads to violence.
>>5452389
>No, women are mentally associated with niceness for me.
That explains literally everything about your mentality. I'm glad, because I was seriously trying to figure out what was motivating someone to hold your beliefs. Now I know.
>>5452470
You've said this all day as if this is some sort of trump card, but it's not. Again, this is a common sense fallacy and the statement itself is not obviously true.
>>5452389
>I can't tell who's parodying you, and what you're actually posting. Stop posting as anonymous if you want to be properly represented.
>Well Poe's Law doesn't contain any implications about whether the "extreme ideology" is legitimate or not. There can be legitimate extreme ideologies. Abolitionism was one.
I thought you were trying to sway feminism fence sitters. Having your critics and detractors miss represent (unless the parody was accurate, and you do think generalizing men is a-okay) you won't help people see you or your position as anything other than farcical.
Are you deflecting? Why won't you take a trip code?
>>5452471
Almost literally never been hurt (incl. emotionally) by a woman and whenever I heard guys bitching about girls/women it seemed like they were being deluded.
I'd claim I just have a really good eye for sexism.
>>5452476
You're missing the point. Some things are too difficult to prove to make it worthwhile to try.
Sociology can fall under fucking chaos theory, you know. Too many fucking variables.
>>5452389
>legitimate extreme ideologies
Seriously?
An extreme ideology is never legitimate no matter the cause.
>>5452488
So why should I believe your premise is even true if you cannot clearly demonstrate it? It may be obvious to you, but it sure as hell isn't to me.
>>5452488
>Almost literally never been hurt (incl. emotionally) by a woman and whenever I heard guys bitching about girls/women it seemed like they were being deluded.
So you're admitting to possessing a rather severe innate bias, yes?
We're at bump limit. Need new thread.
>>5452460
>you're either strange
Into men and people larger than me for that matter so can't relate.
No clue if that's a straight thing.
>maybe I don't know what a femboy is.
https://archive.loveisover.me/lgbt/thread/4993290/#4993290
Op had photos somewhere in there. Could go to femgen cause they're similar to that, but honestly given what it usually ends at, you'd be stupid to ever let your photos end here. Hormones are a convenient way to keep your body as something you're comfortable with.
Still, probably counts as bi considering that your preferences extend to people who aren't wholey male or female.
>>5452503
>if you cannot clearly demonstrate it
All politics would absolutely stall if they were based on clear-cut evidence.
I urge you to reconsider the way you approach politics/sociology/etc.
>>5452518
No, why. I assert that most cases where men claim women to be so and so bad it's because of deeply rooted misunderstandings.
Little story: I used to have a love obsession. Very bad. Was already depressed and it tipped me to the point of a suicide attempt. The person seemed to not even give a fuck. Any typical guy would have absolutely lost his shit and called her a bitch in 9001 ways. Other people I talked to talked shit about her to me. So what do I find out when I manage to talk to her and her friends for a little? She's almost fucking traumatized by the whole thing. She's with someone else, behaves in extremely insecure ways, has no idea how to handle the situation, and so on and so forth.
Most men just approach emotions and human relations in an incredibly simplistic way.
Are you kind of getting the mentality?
This was in a more conservative culture than most western countries too, though still relatively western, so expect some fear in the girl due to my maleness too. Might have feared I'm a psycho, or something, even though I play with cats all day. (Or does that prove it? Anyway.)
>>5452525
Do we, really? I mean there's a feminist general if you want to continue tomorrow. (I didn't create it.)
Aaah it's almost fucking 2 AM again I wasted too much time.
Need to watch Kaleid Liner and do push-ups.
>>5452535
Leave him be, so long as he doesn't talk down to others, he isn't too bad
>RadFem poster is male
>and an /a/ regular
>mentally associates women with 'niceness'
>likes traps too much
Holy shit this explains everything, dear god.
>>5452551
>All politics would absolutely stall if they were based on clear-cut evidence.
Even if this was true, would it really be a bad thing? Suppose governments took the time to make decisions based on clear evidence instead of jumping to conclusions. Sounds like everyone would be better off.
>>5452557
How much long until he transitions?
>>5452543
>https://archive.loveisover.me/lgbt/thread/4993290/#4993290
The one nude boobs guy there I don't like.
Don't see any other.
There's one cross-dresser or actual girl, looks nice from the side but doesn't show much.
>>5452560
>Suppose governments took the time to make decisions based on clear evidence
They would literally stop making decisions.
>>5452470
It's not obvious. It needs proving.
You can maybe use a transversal study, with people in similar state with differing levels of propaganda. Or stage a lab experients, have people view propaganda, then rate there aggressive behaviour. "It's complicated" excuse for not seeking quantitative data.
>>5452488
Statistics are magic. You can measure the influence of a single factor in an effect, with the correct control groups. And if the effect size is too small (what your mention of "chaos theory" implies), then it is not a priority for the policy makers.
>>5452551
Yeah, none of that disproved your severe bias. At all. It's okay to be biased, anon, but it's better if you're honest about it rather than trying to defend it.
>>5452551
>No, why. I assert that most cases where men claim women to be so and so bad it's because of deeply rooted misunderstandings.
Just to point out, as a lesbian, my exes have:
1) cheated
2) cheated, mistreated me badly
3) cheated, emotionally manipulated me, blackmailed me, and left me for one of my best friends.
So yeah.
Your bias is hilarious, and also completely ridiculous.
>>5452564
I would experiment with it if I knew it were reversible and I didn't need to explain shit to people.
Don't care. Fine with my body.
>>5452571
Anon I know it's very hard to understand my position truly but there's many more people who think this way. It's a fairly established way of thinking and I would claim that anyone can understand if they try. You need to change your fundamental outlook towards sexuality (to the point where child sexuality doesn't weird you out, at all), need to understand how sick most people view sexuality (their fear of child sexuality being telling), and ... well it's not easy.
>>5452569
>They would literally stop making decisions.
Why? There's plenty of clear cut things for governments to do. Road maintenance, upholding laws, funding in general, etc. This line of argumentation makes zero sense to me. Basically you are saying that politics would be less rash and more rational if we demanded clear evidence for everything, and that only sounds like a good thing to me.
>>5452569
Don't have to go data extemist. But study-driven policy needs to be a thing.
>>5452575
You just didn't love them the right way.
not serious
>>5452579
Yeah well, they wouldn't make any decisions on many important things.
>>5452583
Well sure, in general, they could stop being less idiotic.
But again, imagine trying to combat racism with statistics. People be like, "but that's just how black people ARE, it's NATURAL they'd be slaves!" And you're like fuck your shit.
>>5452576
>(to the point where child sexuality doesn't weird you out, at all)
Oooookay there buddy, now you're really straying into creeper territory.
In any event, I don't find you (who have an unrealistic view of women being "nice" due to your experiences) any different from a guy who has an unrealistic view of women being abusive and controlling due to having experience with physically/emotional abusive female family members. The only difference I can see is that you've become a radfem and that guy would likely become an MRA or MGTOW.
>>5452588
>You just didn't love them the right way.
Top kek.
Nice digits at least, I think we're done here baitkun
>>5452588
>Yeah well, they wouldn't make any decisions on many important things.
Like what? If something is really important, then it would be obvious. The best answer may not be obvious, but if there is a clear direction where to go, shit will be done (assuming the government cares enough to act on it of course).
>>5452564
Given exposure to lgbt, I'd give it a month.
>>5452592
I don't deny the existence of fucked up women. I just mean to say it's less common and tends to be associated with misunderstandings.
Dworkin had a good chapter on that where she talked about a woman who didn't stop some child's horrible abuse by her husband... The woman was just thoroughly fucked up you know, becomes a mind-broken slave to the guy, lets the child die in front of her eyes (killed by him, obviously, duh).
I mean, in the end, women and men would be equally horrible if there were no patriarchy.
>>5452603
>If something is really important, then it would be obvious.
We have a little problem of rape but it's not that clear how to end it. Feminists are trying...
>>5452588
>not serious
So how about you provide a serious answer then instead of being flippant?
>>5452640
>little problem of rape
How important is this really? Crime is bad, sure. But it's not like people are getting raped left and right in the first world, and it's clearly against the law.
You see the very question of importance of this issue is disputable. Which is fine because rational discussion should be had before making any serious legislative actions if any need to be made. But for example, something like a war declaration was made, you can be sure the government would respond immediately.
>>5452646
I don't deny the existence of horrible women.
It's just that boys and men are basically programmed to be assholes and cynics by our culture, from what I could observe from around me throughout my life.
>>5452657
Look into date rape and shit, and how little it's reported.
>>5452660
>from what I could observe from around me throughout my life.
And what if others have the opposite observations? Are their experiences less legitimate than yours?
>>5452669
Of course rape is under reported and that only leads to more questions and more discussion. How many of those unreported claims can be verifiably true? How many of them are true period? Why don't women report rape more?
There's a ton of questions with no obvious answers. And likewise, the goverrnment should go through rational discussion based on what we know for sure to make decisions not speculation.
>>5452681
Of course. I'm a super-genius.
No it's just that they simply seem to be lacking some perspectives that I have. I believe I understand their perspective fairly fine, having believed dogmatically in sexual liberation and stuff my whole life.
I mean look at all the intellectuals in past times who were racist or some shit. It doesn't mean I'm claiming to be something better than people. Ultimately I wouldn't know myself how I gained this perspective when others didn't.
>>5452692
Feminism has *very* compelling answers to some of those questions, but it requires genuine understanding of the whole "framework" to reach a point where it really makes sense to you and seems more persuasive than other possible explanations.
BTW also look into Sweden. Always look into Sweden when it comes to radical feminism. They do shit right.
>>5452714
As a lesbian with a swedish rad feminist ex girlfriend, lol no you are wrong.
>>5452730
a-anecdote!!
What actually happened tho?
>>5452706
>Feminism has *very* compelling answers to some of those questions, but it requires genuine understanding of the whole "framework" to reach a point where it really makes sense to you and seems more persuasive than other possible explanations.
Does it really? I've heard a ton of different, contradicting claims from people who call themselves feminists and I'm not aware of any large scale consensus or framework. So far, I remain unconvinced of most of your core assumptions, do I doubt there are any compelling answers to be found.
>>5452706
>No it's just that they simply seem to be lacking some perspectives that I have.
And what if you're lacking some perspectives that they have? You say that you understand their perspective, but how can you really if you haven't actually experienced what they have?
And yes, I'm aware that that goes both ways.
Now that this thread is coming to an end, I will sneak in a little smut fantasy, in the purest /lgbt/ tradition.
I'd like to get my gf to help me double team you, radfem dude, with our feminine cocks of course.
Just imagine it. You would wimper in sweet sweet agony, getting spitroasted, toyed with like a good sub You would workship us and be rewarded justly... We'd edge you then make you swear off your ideology just to get release. (With makeout and cuddle in between, we're not savages.) After 4 to 5 hour of that kind of intense sexual congress (viagra's helluva drug), you would be totally converted to transfeminism. And probably be a chaser for life.
Did you find that titillating, radfem dude ?
>>5452706
>Feminism has *very* compelling answers to
nothing
>but it requires genuine understanding of the whole "framework" to reach a point where it really makes sense
like brainwashing you know like cults and shit?
>>5452714
I'm not sure if I'd use the country currently importing massive amounts of people who hold religious views that are completely antithetical to feminist and LGBT values as a good baseline.
>>5452823
Yeah that's a pretty obvious case of doublethink. I thought radfem anon was a little better than that.
>>5452823
you know i do not wish on anyone from western civilization to suffer the horror of doing a gender study course but maybe it might be a requirement for refugees from islamic countries and other shitholes.
it might just be the deterrent we need, and if they can't pass they can't stay.
>>5452759
>Did you find that titillating
Let's see.
>smut
Starts out bad. A porn or porn-related term.
>double team
Again, pornified sexuality.
>with our feminine cocks
Feminine cocks are good, very good. Sounds cute. Mixes femininity into a male body part. Androgyny and all.
>wimper in sweet sweet agony
Agony is, by definition, not sweet. Wimpering is something you do when sad, in fear, etc. Not good.
>spitroasted
I'm strangely unfamiliar with this term, even though I've grown up with porn. Sounds vulgar though, not nice.
>toyed with
Toying with things is nice, playful, sounds joyful.
>like a good sub
But that ruins it, sounds like "good girl/boy" in a domineering, looking-down way.
>would [worship] us
I had worshippish feelings towards a love obsession in my past but that was an exception... worship is too obsessed.
>rewarded justly
I didn't know we were making an exchange of services. I thought sex was supposed to be based on mutual love.
I'm only through half the thing so I'll stop here but you get the idea.
I sometimes enter heat and want to do some things which other people would interpret as being smutty but even then it's not how I really feel. This is probably how I managed to tolerate porn at all in the past, by interpreting it differently than other people...
I'm really all about love. Even if it includes anal insertion, insertion into multiple orifices, being "submissive" (incredibly relaxed), etc., there *must* be a lack of domineering, violent mentality/attitude in the act.
*Very* rarely I've had rape-fantasy like things, mostly where I was the perpetrator. But I mean, even in the fantasy, it was actually willing rape-play. And that's exceptional.
>>5452762
>>5452823
>>5452843
Ugh, people say "thought was better than that" right after using arguments I'd expect from /pol/. Not nice.
You know, I'm from Germany, I know how it is to live with Muslims. Yes I'm into ideology, and yes religion is bad for radfem ideology, but religious people sure as hell aren't any worse than most other people, given they aren't fundies or something. E.g. most Muslims in Germany are fine. At least those I know, the well integrated ones.
And then there's utilitarianism and shit. You don't want to have your radfem castle where you don't let anyone in who might cause difficulties. I mean, would be great to have a Women's Israel, but Sweden isn't that obviously. So they take in refugees and shit, because those people need help. Yes, you can suspend your radfem ideals for a bit there. You can integrate those people in over some decades, have them adopt your radfem ideals slowly.
I'm ultimately pragmatic if it's about actual political action. Since we're only talking about abstract shit lately you don't hear those parts.
>>5453143
>Women's Israel
i fucking hate feminism and starting to dislike lesbians more and more, but i think i would totally support that.
one single state where women can have their utopia...
i would just get the popcorn and watch it all unfold.
>>5452751
Well maybe one could say a lot of it comes down to "[het] women are living under constant sexual intimidation" and "men absolutely *never* admit to any mistakes when it comes to sexual advances."
What guy would ever admit that he misinterpreted a woman's feelings so horribly that she ended up feeling horribly used (raped)?
Conversely, what woman has the guts to say "yeah, you basically raped me" after being subliminally intimidated or otherwise pushed into sex she didn't really want to have?
People have fucked up ideas about how sexual consent is supposed to work so they all ruin it for each other. Guys don't believe they could possibly receive a "no" because who could ever turn ME down amirite, women can't put out a proper "no" because fear of hurting feelings and being called a bitch, guys don't take "n-no" as "no", and so on.
Rape culture!
It's almost 4 AM now and that was probably a shitty explanation.
Also I'm fucking ignorant on what really goes down between people when it comes down to it, I'm doing a ton of extrapolation from how I know people around me to be and from what I hear what's going on in people's lives.
Meh, Need For Sleep.
>>5453221
>"men absolutely *never* admit to any mistakes when it comes to sexual advances."
kek it's trial and error you don't have to admit if it didn't work you have done it wrong or there was no buyer for your wares.
>>5453221
>Rape culture!
wtf is that even mean? as someone put it eloquently if you lived in a rape culture you wouldn't be running your mouth about it.
>>5453266
Rape culture only exists in prisons, third-world countries and places like Rotherham in the UK where third-world cultures have been imported and the native law-enforcement is willing to turn a blind eye to it.
>>5453208
do these feminists realize tho that in a country that only has women they would need to clean the fucking sewers? they would need to do the plumbing the high-voltage maintenance, the firefighting, the constructions and engineering, that they would need to man artilery (the shells are like 50 kg and you got to pick them up and run to the breech shove them in like if you are fisting a horse) and stuff like that?
>>5453221
>men never admit that they made a mistake
Because then they would be put into prison where rape culture is actually real you fucking femenazi mangina.
Feminists trivialize rape more than anybody else.
>>5454014
they trivialize everything that non-women face
routinely make up, falsify or misinterpret statistics
and make individual problems up to be systemic symptoms of deep illness of society
that is all they do aside from whining for more money power and privilidge
>>5454025
And when they do, the media and the government bend over and let feminists do whatever they want. See Anita Sarkeesian at the fucking UN to talk about not hurting womyn's feelings online, heaven forbid the UN do anything to help women in Saudi Arabia.
I'm just pissed because CNN is running that bullshit documentary "The Hunting Ground" based on inflated college statistics compiled by the likes of Mattress Girl and her cronies.
I hope 2016 is the year people wake the fuck up.
>>5454037
yeah, i think once these screeching harpies are exposed in what they are doing and how they are doing people will find them immediately repulsive.
the problem is this unreasonable behavior that doesn't make sense to any non-feminist (ie sane people) actually makes perfect sense to them. they really live in an oppressive regime that does not take them seriously that does not listen to them and does not understand their basic simple truths.
and to silence the voice of an oppressive regime for a revolutionary humanist movement it's perfectly fine to bully intimidate extort and silence any opposition they can.
i think that explains the behavior of bitches like the redhead and the firealarm pullers.
i was like 9 or 11 yo when i first broken the spine of a feminist movement. it was a funny story i was a scrawny little kid in a scouts camp like place they put me and an other little boy in team with two older girls 14-15 yo and they were a lot bigger than us they decided after we left camp it's gonna be a "matriarchy" or female-rule now i was not a violent kid i did not go around beating other kids but i beat them till they forgot this stupid idea. they were stronger of course so i grabbed a bunch of tough vegetation and smacked their naked legs until they gave up and we all went back to democracy. later on when they got arms as well and decided to have an other go at "patriarchy" i only had to look at a handsome stinging nettle and them for them to drop it again.
>>5450680
>Jew
>>5453254
>>5453266
>>5453381
People defending drunk rape and spousal rape, which is an ubiquitous phenomenon in the first world, is proof of rape culture.
>>5453565
Yes, they do.
>>5454014
>>5454025
>hurr durr feminists don't care about prison rape!
Except they've talked about that and pointed out that it's an extension of rape culture since literally decades. Pic related.
>>5454037
>hurting womyn's feelings online
Literally diminishing their practical freedom of speech.
Where is your freeze peach dogma now?
>>5454037
>>5455271
Hahaha, it's really cute listening to a bunch of idiots talk about how Any Sane Person should wake up any time now to fight against those evil witches.
Feels like I'm watching a KKK sitting where two 80 year-olds talk about how the Race War is going to begin any time now, and all the Reasonable people will wake up against the crimes committed against the white race and their Christian Nation.
The broken grammar and lack of capitalization really adds to the whole redneck image.
>>5455271
>broken the spine of a feminist movement
>9 year-old kid trying to hit 14 year-old girls' legs with some sticks he picked up
You're adorable.
The girls were probably like "awwww look at him trying to be tough."
But seriously.
>broken the spine of a feminist movement
>14 year-old bullying girls
>feminist movement
My fucking sides are in orbit.
>>5456205
>The girls were probably like "awwww look at him trying to be tough."
in your imagination anon i bet they were, irl they were on the verge of tears and told on us when we got back.
i'm glad you enjoyed the story for me it was the first time i experienced women running unchecked and trying to take control which pretty much was all about humiliating everyone under them rather than anything constructive.
>>5456226
>strong independent male proud because he annoyed a pair of 14 year-old girls when he was 9
What's really sad is that your mentality does not seem to have fundamentally changed even after going through all of puberty, assuming you have.
>>5456151
>Except they've talked about that and pointed out that it's an extension of rape culture since literally decades.
thank you for your input it is exactly what i was talking about.
>they trivialize everything that non-women face
prison rape is pretty much the result of negligence in the prison system. a bunch of men thrown in together to form a wolf eats wolf society. and anyone who would dare come forward with their rape would only find zero compassion even ridicule and of course the other prisoners would kill him for "being a stitch".
from feminists it would only be a proud declaration of "I TOLD YOU!" which is exactly what rape victims need right? you are indeed true to your cause.
>>5456237
you are looking at it wrong anon, also double standards. a boy before puberty has not yet undergo serious sexual dimorphism he is every bit as weak as a girl his age. a few years in that age make a huge physical difference in weight and strength and psychological toughness.
those girls had superior physique in every way, and when they tried to pick on me i fucked their shit up. it was the equivalent of an average woman beating up an average grown male. which happens btw and with your hysteric approval i might add.
what i really did is i proved that only people that let themselves get oppressed get oppressed. not that women are oppressed or anything but if they were it would be their individual weakness.
>>5456248
>exactly what rape victims need
Feminists are trying to solve the problem from its root so no men need to *become* rape victims.
But keep on screaming at them, making up fantasies about how they supposedly are, and doing nothing yourself.
>a bunch of men thrown in together to form a wolf eats wolf society
This is exactly the part of male socialization that feminism is trying to destroy.
>>5456279
Yeah yeah, very inspiring story by a 9 year-old kid annoying 14 year-old girls. I could fucking die of laughter if it weren't so pathetic at the same time.
Anyway, not interested in having a 1-1 "discussion" with a redneck in this thread. It's on page 8 so I guess most people are out.
It would be great for both of us if you didn't bother replying.
>>5456292
>Yeah yeah, very inspiring story by a 9 year-old kid annoying 14 year-old girls. I could fucking die of laughter if it weren't so pathetic at the same time.
just reverse it in your mind anon make it 14yo boys tried to force 9yo girls to do their bidding but got beaten up by the 9yo girls you would wet your panties immediately.
and that is exactly what is wrong with feminism. the fucking double standards everywhere. the fucking ridicule you spew the moment when the opposite sex has problems either with oppression rape harassment physical violence collective punishment whatever.
it's this attitude that shows you what you are exactly. thank you now we are wiser.
btw i did not really beat them girls up and not just annoyed them they were bullies and i put them to their place. that is what happened. i was very much not a violent kid i was small shy and got my fair share of bullies which i learned to handle.
>>5456292
>Feminists are trying to solve the problem from its root so no men need to *become* rape victims.
i don't see this attitude when women get raped at all anon. what we see then it's a fucking mass hysterics and feminists demand heads to fall fuck the "systemic fixing" of society they want blood. but when men get raped "hurr we need to fix the underlying issues" (which is man having balls).
everything that is wrong with feminism is in that one sentence it's beautiful! it's a masterpiece crafted eloquently to show how fucking retarded and harmful feminism is.
>>5456292
>>a bunch of men thrown in together to form a wolf eats wolf society
>This is exactly the part of male socialization that feminism is trying to destroy.
no it's not, that is not how men are socialized at all. men are constantly socialized to be nice to get along to cooperate to lead or follow depending on their competence and ambitions and to protect the weak especially women and children. generally speaking it is incredibly frowned upon among men to pick on the weaker fellow human.
however prisons are full off people that are "anti-social" that have NOT been socialized or it simply did not take. and these assholes will terrorize the rest and each other especially when they have nothing else to do. you again see something that looks bad and go full retard and claim all men are like that. if it were so all men would be a convicted felon.
>>5456171
mother of fuck just look at the footnote:
>equality = taking rights away from people with more power
>constitution = wrong it protects the rights of those with more power
>we should: create equality by throwing out the laws that guaranteed equality and create laws that discriminate the ones with perceived power!
leave it to a feminist to create equality through discrimination kek. equality of power is not equality power has it's own complex dynamic and it is very much subjective. the only real equality is equality before law and equal opportunity. which will ultimately favor the rich and the ones with lucky genetics. this system might look unjust but it is a system that WORKS and delivers RESULTS. if everybody got payed the same no matter how little effort they put in their work everybody would stop working slowly but surely. it doesn't fucking work!
>>5456404
The underlying issue is not that "men have balls", it's then men have a demonstrated tendency to rape when you put them in a situation (such as prison) where there's nothing to stop them from raping.
>>5456655
> it's then men have a demonstrated tendency to rape when you put them in a situation (such as prison) where there's nothing to stop them from raping.
kek no it's not true, mean are less likely to rape according to statistics than lesbian women how about that?
how about i say all women are fucking rapists at heart they just envy the dick. it would be the same level of stupid as what you are spouting but it would have more quantitative truth in it.
women are not only victimized by men forget this bullshit, you are the worst kind or tyrants ever and what you are doing to your fellow women is disgrace.
>>5456653
i will stop if i get bored i promise.
>>5456679
>according to statistics
Feminism is cancer for lesbians aswell. I was going through the final stages of my puberty while the major gay rights discussions were happening. Like the first few states making gay marriage legal. I just wanted to support the cause so I could marry whomever I loved just like everybody else, but you, you fucking feminists, you treated me like I wasn't lesbian. You tried to make me feel ashamed for my sexuality because I thought it was wrong to punish hetero men. You said gay rights are only for gays who wish to destroy traditional families. You used me and my gf as tools for your public image, "look at these 2 happy and respectable lesbians" to push your agenda about bullshit that has nothing to do with me. So please, from a happily married lesbian, fuck off.
>>5456768
>CDC finding: that women rape men as often as men rape women.
>CDC reports that 12.3 percent of female victims were 10 or younger at the time of their first completed rape victimization; for male victims, that number is 27.8 percent.
"noooo only women get raped by only men!"
>About 46 percent of women who self-identified as bisexual told federal authorities that they had been raped, compared with the 17 percent of heterosexual women who reported experiencing such sexual violence in the same report.
fucking lesbians right? "oh noo men just like rape bisexual women more than straight women!"
>>5456858
>see ma I can pull out obscure statistics out of my ass and disprove every other statistic ever published!
>>5456985
what statistics? these are the latest i know of.
methodologies change so do results. i don't think the world changed that much.
a few years ago only when men were anally penetrated that counted as rape. now it became more balanced now if a woman forcibly rides a cock that's rape too and the results got more balanced too. funny that huh?
For those of you that consider yourself egalitarian, does that mean you want to be able to read a set of random statistics where there is parity of the different groups within margin of error, be it a sex/gender, ethnicity or race stats?
>>5459136
>For those of you that consider yourself egalitarian, does that mean you want to be able to read a set of random statistics where there is parity of the different groups within margin of error, be it a sex/gender, ethnicity or race stats?
short answer: no!
long answer: hell no!
>>5459273
to expand to have equal statistics would mean that you have slaughtered diversity murdered equal opportunity drowned fair competition in a sea of handicaps and eliminated individual life choices and probably carefully censor statistics and news.
if you did all that you marxist pig than you enjoy your fucking totalitarian distopia with thought police and everything!
