None of you guys are actually voting for this cunt, right?
Lesbians have a massive cunt boner for her because she is a woman. They literally know nothing else about her but they are so sexist that being a woman is all that matters.
Do you think I'm retarded?
Legit I'd vote for trump over her.
There are people on this board that believes that she's actually pro-legbutts instead of just pandering to whichever will get her elected.
She is an empty slate who doesn't believe in anything, she's been aiming to be president for decades and she'll say just about anything.
>>5426472
This is my exact opinion of her. I wouldn't mind Palin as our president. But not Cliton.
>>5426442
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9_gJLAI23hc
I'm trump all the way, baby
>>5426442
>identity politics is bad you stupid faggots
>u-unless it's for someone I support/against someone I despise
>>5426488
Oh yeah, fuck guys like Ben Carson, but Trump has historically been pro-LGBT, even when it didn't benefit him one bit.
>>5426472
>She is an empty slate who doesn't believe in anything,
Not quite true. She is very hawkish, and very pro-corporations. Those are her real beliefs. Outside of that, she doesn't believe in a whole heck of a lot.
>>5426449
/gb/ needs to just split off because the dykes and trannies drag everyone down.
>>5426548
what a surprise, gay men still hate all women and aren't any better than straight men
>>5426586
trans people aren't women
>>5426548
Hey, I'm MtF and a Trump voter.
>>5426442
Ofcourse not. Trump desu
>>5426449
nah as a lesbo most lesbos and everyone I know likes bernie
in fact most homos in general prefer bernie, at least younger ones. I could see a lot of older dykes liking hilary but older dykes are a different breed than younger.
Trump voters are weak
who listens to demagogues?
youre a very dumb person if you dont vote for the dem nominee
either that or a racist/misogynist/xenophobe
>>5426640
The unintelligent who unironically think political correctness is a pressing issue
>>5426657
income inequality is the greatest detractor from economic growth
therefore conservatives should vote bernie
but cultural conservatives should vote trump
so you must be culturally conservative
while also being lgbt
lol
>>5426592
trans women are women
>>5426442
Nope, I'm feeling the Bern
>>5426672
No;
mtf are mentally ill men and ftm are women who think they are men (mentally ILL). Lesbians are women who hate men and they see the only alternative as women. Look at a """normal""" lesbian relationship and listen to some of the conversations....still the same, sassy, catty, hateful, passive-aggressive vocal stylings as straight women. They [women] are all the same.
tl;dr
Men differ greatly between straight and gay. Women do not. Trans are not mentally sound. This is empirical.
>>5426703
yeah stereotyping works for everyone you generalize
good job m8
>>5426703
You should become a novel writer with such elegant prose
>>5426449
Literally every lesbian I know is planning on voting for Bernie (with the exception of one Republican lesbian I know). I don't know what shit lesbians you're hanging around.
>>5426740
No one's asking to be your best friend, pal.
>>5426740
I'm not even a lezbo lol
>>5426740
i'm a femboy not a lez
and youre missing out on being friends with lezzies
>>5426755
>youre missing out on being friends with lezzies
LOL
you're such a kekman
>>5426782
yeah but do you believe that every single lesbian is a bad person?
>this just in: people can't change their opinions
>>5426804
Yes, and?
I mean, I'd disagree if she said something like "Although previously I believed so and so, I want to come and support so and so because the future is different than the past yadda yadda.
>>5426804
The difference with Hillary is that she just listens to which way the wind is blowing. She didn't change her mind because of rational argument or some revelation, she just saw the poll numbers.
>>5426640
>who listen to demagogues
one dosen't need to LISTEN to a demagogue necessarily to support them
https://mises.org/library/defense-demagogues
>>5426845
>austrian economics
Lolnope
>>5426442
Didn't she also say that she believes in white supremacy?
>>5426857
She said her hero was Margaret Sanger who was an early birth control advocate who was allied with the kkk
>>5426854
point out where Austrian economics is relevant in the argument even aside from the fact that it 100% called the 2008 financial crisis
https://mises.org/library/housing-too-good-be-true
>>5426863
>who was allied with the kkk
[citation needed]
>>5426874
It's one of the most bullshit theories of economics I've read
"Hurr models are too hard so lower taxes I guess idk lol"
>>5426897
dumb strawman, didn't even read the article i see
>>5426903
I'm not talking about the article
>>5426897
also i REALLY doubt you read Human Action
>>5426917
I wouldn't waste my time reading anti-empiricist propaganda about thought experiments, err, "praexology"
>>5426916
Then what ARE you talking about?
>>5426934
do actually have a counter to the fact that austrians actually called the housing crisis?
your dumb models didn't work, you can't quantify human wants any more than a sociologist can come up with an equation for civilization
its called Physics Envy, you've been indoctrinated in it and are recoil against it to protect your previously held beliefs
>>5426948
Austrian economics
>>5426954
They called one crisis lol
Obviously it means eschewing the entire system is a good idea
>>5426964
>ONE CRISIS
>the biggest one in most people's lifetimes
mises also called the great depression while keynes didn't know what the fuck was going on
>>5426954
Not that guy but many people with a variety of different viewpoints "called" the crisis. It was honestly not hard to predict if you knew anything about it, the problem was that no one in power actually WANTED to do anything about it. Out of sight, out of mind, let's just keep everything happy. That's how bubbles work, .
>>5426972
in 2004 there was really no one except austrians who saw the data and saw a problem
>>5426971
Why is calling crises even important? I thought Austrians viewed such predictions as silly because they are based off of using data
>>5426979
>austrians
>data
>>5426993
>>5427003
you're both fucking retarded if you think austrians just ignore all economic data
they don't put any faith in quantitative predictions, but they still use it
>mfw they didn't real the article still
Thornton looks at the DATA, so sorry, your socialist cum chugging professor was wrong about austrians, time to throw your useless degree away
>>5427033
Go have fun with your worthless little cult, I'll use the big boy actual economics instead of anti-scientific thought experiments
>>5427049
economics will never be physics, sorry fag
its the study of people wanting things
>>5427058
You can still make assumptions and use them. Just because not every single person in the entire world follows the rules to a t doesn't mean they're completely disposable
>>5426442
I am.
>>5427058
>economics will never be physics, sorry fag
It's still basically statistical analysis though. You can just go "it's not physics lol" and act like it's something totally divorced from scientific thought.
>>5426793
Yes. In fact, I don't see them as people.
>>5427081
it literally isn't statistical analysis though
its divorced from positivism because of the subjective theory of value that ALL economic schools sans marxism accepts
if you aren't a marxist, you're just being inconsistent
>>5427076
Why?
>>5426979
https://www.google.com/?#q=who+predicted+housing+crisis
http://intheblack.com/articles/2015/07/07/6-economists-who-predicted-the-global-financial-crisis-and-why-we-should-listen-to-them-from-now-on
http://www.economicpredictions.org/who-predicted-the-financial-crisis.htm
I could go on. You can't go two seconds without hearing about someone who "predicted" the crisis. Because it's easy for anyone to look at steep growth + recklessness and predict an inevitably popping bubble. If your prediction is wrong, you can just sweep it under the rug, if you're right, you can parade it everywhere (conveniently ignoring any part of the prediction that didn't pan out).
>>5427094
>subjective theory of value
"Hey guys no matter what the situation is everyone's gonna value everything the same kk senpai were so much smarter than those stupid commies"
>>5427094
What does Marx have to do with this? You're just going around saying economics doesn't need to follow any kind of scientific reasoning because human behavior isn't deterministic.
>>5427105
Her gay marriage views aside she's the best choice imo.
>>5427118
Based on what issues specifically?
>>5427113
>subjective
>no matter what the situation is everyone's gonna value everything the same
are you retarded senpai?
>>5427132
I'm making fun of the non-subjective theory pushed by austrians
>>5427132
I'm pretty sure they were making fun of the person they were responding to for talking about the subjective theory of value as a bad thing.
>>5427168
>subjectivity is a good thing
>but you can't do anything useful with it
Please make up your mind.
>>5427168
>Subjectivity is unusable in data models
What are you even saying anymore
>>5427193
Because patterns exist
It's really not that hard to understand
I can guess that people will buy a fuckton of candy canes before Christmas
>>5427198
how many?
if you don't think that's answerable, welcome to austrian econ
>>5427204
I don't have access to all the data in the world and really, how many isn't even important. An increase in demand is what matters
>>5427193
>economics is a SOCIAL SCIENCE
>it is "useful" in the same way any other social science is useful
So you think you can't use data models in social science?
>>5427204
>if you don't think that's answerable, welcome to austrian econ
So by your reasoning, anything that involves acknowledging that you can't pinpoint economic values to the twelfth decimal place is "austrian economics"?
>>5427229
>that can be gleaned from Austrian economics
Also from every other economic school lol
Also
>muh strawman
>>5427243
its a strawman to accuse austrians of perfectionism when actual economic models are always pathetically wrong, yes
>>5427229
>no i don't, social engineering always leads to disaster
So looking at patterns in social science is "social engineering" and inherently disastrous?
>strawman, economic models don't even come close to the truth
So that means we shouldn't even bother trying to understand the economy?
>>5427250
>always pathetically wrong
"No"
>>5427250
Do you even know what perfectionism means?
>>5427261
>anything that involves acknowledging that you can't pinpoint economic values to the twelfth decimal place
fuck off faggot
>>5427269
Acknowledging that you can't be indefinitely precise is literally the OPPOSITE of perfectionism.
This is who I'm voting for.
There is however one prominent politician who did not wait so long to call for full gay equality: Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-VT)
In a letter he published in the early 1970’s, when he was a candidate for governor of Vermont from the Liberty Union Party, Sanders invoked freedom to call for the abolition of all laws related to homosexuality:p
>>5426593
Why?
>>5426442
Nope, there's only one candidate worth voting for.
>>5427713
That would be amazing.
Can you imagine how pissed people would be?
>>5427778
Sanders and Trump have more in common than people seem to think. Other than Sanders being a racial cuck, they are both populist anti-establishment candidates who want to take on the ruling class.
Trumps policies are far more left than people give him credit for.
>>5426442
Eh, maybe she changed her opinion?
>>5426442
I understand that Shillary's opinions are whatever the polls tell her her opinions should be, but that image really irks me. Is she not allowed to change her opinion over 15 years?
>>5428055
Its so close between Sanders and Clinton, you're better of choosing Sanders tbf senpai
>>5428064
>Is she not allowed to change her opinion over 15 years?
Yeah because it demonstrates that she'll say literally whatever it takes to get elected, not because she's given it some serious thought.
>>5428162
>it demonstrates
I really dont think it does.
Maybe if she'd opposed gay marriage last year, or earlier in the year, looked at the polls and changed her mind, I'd agree. But we're talking about a quote from 15 years ago. What did you believe 15 years ago? What do you think you'll believe 15 years from now?
Without a doubt Hillary says what the polls tell her to, but this specific case isnt sufficient evidence of that.
>>5428176
What about Hillary makes you support her over Sanders? I mean legislation/bills? I am curious, only because Hillary supporters cant really say anything besides "socialism." So they have to admit it is her gender.
Trump for America
Rand Paul for the foreign policy
Since I can't agree with Paul's economy plans, Trump it is
Sanders for people who must vote Democrats for some reason
Also stop being one vote issuers, right now your priorities should be the foreign policy and economy. If the candidate says "let's go to war with Russia", no good. If the candidate says Assad can't stay while wanting to destroy ISIS, no good. Both are signs of warmongering regime changers we've been dealing with for years.
>>5428055
This test isn't reliable because Clinton talks so much bullshit. It's her reputation as corrupt liar why people hate her.
>>5428064
For me it just pisses me off that she pretends like she is some fucking champion of gay marriage. nah bitch, you just flipped when the rest of your party did.
>>5428202
>one vote issuers
*one issue voters
>>5428194
See here's your problem, you have a "if youre not with us, youre against us" mentality. That isnt healthy at all.
You've literally seen me call her "Shillary" and say she just says what the polls tell her too, and yet you still think I support her because I've said her gay rights stance doesnt demonstrate the fact (that you already know i agree with) that she goes with the polls.
Im sorry, but changing your opinion over 15 years is not at all surprising or evidence of some misdeed.
Didnt it even come outt that Obama had been against gay marriage in the early 2000's?
Everything about Hillary is created in a laboratory to test well with think tanks, but her changing her opinion over 15 years isnt sufficient evidence of that
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XuNqNEAIbSA
>>5426497
Underrated post.
>>5426497
How are identity politics good? Homosexuality hasn't been criminalized for a long time. You can be gay in America freely. You can't ask government to agree with you about everything and pamper you, but government should give you the chance so you can earn your place in the society by yourself(see: Trump being against homophobia at workplaces).
Why do you think UK is so pro-LGBT? Because they had conservative PM in Cold War whose economy strategy gave gays possibility to become something despite her "anti-gay" stances.
>>5428244
>Turkey
oh boy
>>5428255
Homosexuality is legal in Turkey. But I know it is getting just worse with Erdogan wanting to become the new sultan of Islamic caliphate. And he actually pretended to be "pro-LGBT" during his older campaign.
>Before Erdoğan became prime minister in 2003, he remarked during a televised discussion that “it is essential that LGBT’s human rights be protected before the law.”
This year?
>LGBT issues were a lightning rod during the June 2015 election, with 57 parliamentary candidates signing a pre-election pledge supporting LGBT rights. However, President Erdogan also accused an opposition party that nominated an openly gay candidate of “pandering,” and some members of the ruling Justice and Development Party contended that homosexuality cannot be reconciled with Islam.
>>5428244
>UK highest by far
Yes m8
>>5428055
>tfw no qt conservative belief femboy bf
>>5427792
Yes, I'm sure Trump's policies are left in an universe where the conservatives sat on the left side of the french national assembly.
>wants to take on the ruling class
Toppest of keks, he is the ruling class
>>5427671
Because Bernie is going to lose to Hillary and fuck Hillary. Also fuck Muslims.
>>5428244
I was really surprised Merkel came out against gay marriage desu senpai
>>5428426
Please give me a coherent explanation as to why you dislike Hillary Clinton.
>>5428380
>agree with Cruz 71%
You need to rethink your life pal
>>5428426
vote for bernie anyways
>>5428453
>everything about someone is bad and they have no possible good ideas about them
You need to open your perspective pal
>>5428451
Her party is Christian Democrats, so she must do so just because. Pretty sure they're against it all over EU.
>>5428452
She's a shill for the bankers, the one the powers that be has chosen to win. Why do you think that she is getting all those donations from major companies and banks?
>>5428471
Cruz is a moron, his ideas are retarded even by republican standards
>>5428483
UK is EU and theyre feelin fine.I think Austria is actually pretty good because of the whole Conchita thing. Well, you can see the map anyway.
Im amazed Russia got 8% though. They specifically have anti gay-propaganda laws, that literally just includes depicting gay couples in anything (including Ikea catalogs). And Putin himself has come out saying that all gay men are pedophiles and things like that. 8% is a vast exaggeration. They're looking at 2% if they're lucky
>>5428496
I meant Christian Democrats parties
>>5428497
Ah fair enough. I'll be honest I didnt even think Germany was particularly religious
>>5428288
Dad says I should be fine..
>>5428500
Pretty sure it's because it's centre-right party which is quite popular stance. But Merkel's career might be basically over because of this refugee crisis.
>>5426620
Isn't bernie pro "refugees"? Do they want to be hanged by a caliphate?
>>5426442
I'm not even American, but no.
>>5426842
This is what Angela Merkel has been doing for ages. And is probably going to keep doing. It's worked well so far, but that may in part be due to Germany being home to far less gigantic megacorporations and having a halfway sensible idea of consumer rights and privacy laws (which, in the US, are practically nonexistent).
Then again, we still have the two major parties (CDU/CSU) against gay marriage for no actual reason. Seriously, they won't even say it's on religious grounds because they know that they'll got torn to bits by the press the moment they say it out loud.
>>5428545
Last one with sodomy law was Texas. In 2003 they dropped it and it was gone all states. That's over a decade ago.
>>5426442
I'm British so I'm lucky, but if I was american, hell the fuck no.
>>5428565
It's still within the last 15 years. Hardly what I'd call "not being criminalized for a long time".
>>5428599
You have to take in consideration South's history in general to understand why it's progressing so slowly with social issues. That's where sodomy law stayed the last and considering that the gay liberation started only in the late 60s and lasted til the 80s while AIDS crisis was going on, I say it's good progress(not to mention gays didn't become the "cool thing" before early 2000s). New generation has been born to world where they don't have to do anything for themselves anymore so they just demand everything right now. That's why we need a conservative president that still gives a chance to everyone who really want to try.
>>5428244
I'm not saying identity politics are good, I'm pointing out the hypocrisy of OP
>>5428835
OP's point most likely has nothing to do with identity politics but the fact Clinton has proved she's a corrupt cunt through these years and voting her just because she panders gays isn't very good reason.
>>5426442
It doesn't matter if I do, because I live in California. Last group of primary voters so that vote doesn't matter, and I'm in an always blue state so whoever has a D next to their name will win all of my state's electoral votes.
That said I'll probably vote for Sanders, mainly because I hold DOMA against the Clintons, and it seems like Hillary is incompetent. But by the time I get to cast my vote Sanders is either going to be the nominee, or out of the race. I hate how the electoral college makes all the purple fly over states more important than the state with the largest economy, most of the US population, and a diverse population.
>>5428244
>Croatia
>71%
Wuuuuuuuuuuuuut?
>>5426442
SCHLONGED
>>5426449
nothing makes me drier than the thought of Shillary in the white house.
>>5432097
someone needs to carry a big double ended dildo up their sleeve. Go to a Hillary rally. Then get close and smack her face with it.
Ted Cruz 2016
Its all about the repeating stuff mechanic
She has come under fire so many times and "beaten the scandel" that its not a thing anymore, they dont care what people say because they think she is just being attacked. she has defended herself so many times they just assume she cant do anything wrong
>>5432329
Bill has probably paid for sex with a minor and Hillary knows.
>>5432345
cool story bro
Doesnt matter, at this point unless their is concrete proof with no doubt of editing (and even then some) her supporters wont believe the bad things about her.
Shrek 2016
/pol/ here
i'm pleasantly surprised about this board. huh.
>>5426449
OMG, I was dating this girl like 6 or so months ago and she had the biggest fucking boner for Hilary. She would gush about how amazing and empowering she is, reading her book, etc.
I was so annoyed. I was like, "you do realize she was anti-gay until it became popular right?" and she wouldn't even acknowledge what I said. Literally the only thing she liked about Hilary is that she is a woman.
My dream is to see Sanders VS Trump. They both believe in their own thing: making America better for Americans. Their ways might be questionable whether you lean left or right but they are still genuine. That is why bankers = media hate them. Sanders might be a bit too radical for current America, Obama managed to divide people apart so bad in these 8 years that first that must be fixed. Trump is the man who could do that.
>>5428055
Gross desu, senpai.
>>5428380
i'll bet your bf with those numbers <3
>>5433152
> 62% with Huckabee on education
> 67% with Sanders on education
> 58% with Clinton BUT NOT on education
The fuck
>>5433019
Sanders has more of a case against trump
Sanders is fucked because the DNC and media are basically blacking him out, if it wasnt for the internet they would have avoided him fully.
Money in politics is one of the few bipartisan issues with across the board support by the people but not at all talked about
If trump goes against Hilary he has the establishment case, the money case and everything. also so many sanders supporters will not vote hiliary, the hilshills would vote for sanders if he gets nomination
I feel like I never see support for Hillary in the real world. If there's a bumper sticker on some libs car, it's a Bernie sticker. I've seen a dozen of them. Haven't seen a Hillary sticker yet.
Apparently she is the foremost Dem candidate but I don't see any real people supporting her, and yet I see plenty of real people supporting Bernie. I'm trying to understand how this can be case.
>>5426456
Same. I think I just wouldn't vote in that case, though.
I want to see Trump vs Bernie though.
>>5433619
so you want trump to win then? he's polling better in most states
>>5433650
He won't be stumped, facing Bernie the antiwhite cuckold will only make the victory more glorious
>>5433656
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLRbW6NRbfI
>>5433650
Trump is only leading in republican
overall more people support hil or even sanders
>>5433695
Why would you laugh? just cause you dont like that they have more supporters doesnt auto mean trump will win. the GOP is even considering not picking him as the nomination even if he has the most support. which in that case you just split the vote. i dont support hillary but you are an idiot if you think his support is much more than just vocal people.
>>5433714
He has such a consistent and clear lead that if they dont pick him it could break up the party. 60% of republicans said they would vote independent if Trump ran solo.Cruz has been basically confirmed to be is running mate and Cruz is in second. They literally can not risk not picking him
>>5433733
no shit, but it doesnt change the fact that over all support for hil and sanders by number of people is bigger. If they pick him there are a lot of republicans who wont vote for him because of how extreme he is or they will split the vote with independent. Just cause he makes the nomation doesnt mean he will win espically with how unpopular he is with the non fringe of his party
>>5433752
The only polls where the left is winning is in non-swing blue states or online. neither of which matter
Can't stump the Trump!
>>5426442
Just because she allegedly said this 15 years ago doesn't mean that's what she believes now. Politicians change their opinions all the time when new information is discovered. She clearly supports LGBT now and I don't see any better candidate when it comes to social issues.
>>5438042
She only started to claim she was for gay marriage in 2013. It's a moot point now but during those two years where the gay marriage issue was being fought she did absolutely nothing to help get rid of the ban and instead of trying to make up for her help in passing DOMA she made excuses and claimed it was justified. She was willing to act on her belief that marriage should be between a man and a woman but refused to act when she claimed she realized how stupid that was. It's pretty clear that she hasn't actually changed her view.
>>5437800
Trump will be stumped. It doesn't matter that the Republican voters want him to win because the president isn't picked by popular vote. The electoral college decides. The Koch brothers don't want Trump to win because his ego is too big to take a bribe and even if he was willing to take one he'd be way too expensive. The Republicans who will be in charge of actually voting for our president are under the Koch brothers thumb and wouldn't risk losing all that money by disobeying them. If it comes down to Trump vs. Hillary I guarantee most of the electoral college republicans (which is all it would take) will not vote Trump so Hillary could win. She's sleazy enough that the Koch brothers might be able to buy her off so I doubt they'd mind having someone they might be able to control win instead of someone they have no chance of controlling.
>>5438059
I still believe that Hillary would do more for LGBT-people than the other candidates. Who else even talks about LGBT-people in a positive light?
>>5438085
Trump winning g the nomination will most likely cause the GOP to implode. No joke. The party is going to slit at the seems.
One can only hope a right fisically, centrist socially party will rise from the ahses, and some shit far right party can act as a containment for the retarded boomers and evangelicals.
I just look at the candidates and I never understand how the fuck they get there. Like is that seriously what people have to pick from to run the country and make all the big decisions? This pool is seriously the best the nation could offer in terms of leadership? Fuck it. Let the country fuck itself.
>>5438090
Trump.
http://www.nbcnews.com/meet-the-press/donald-trump-keep-minimum-wage-pretty-much-where-it-now-n410571
He is against gay marriage but doesn't want to overturn the ruling. He feels that whatever law there is on it should be obeyed even if he doesn't agree with it. Considering that's the least LGBT friendly thing about that's awesome.
>>5438106
Blame everyone who votes Dem or GOP. Those two parties being as big as they are is the reason why candidates can be shit. When the only thing that will get your party a victory is "I'm not a member of the rival party" there's no motivation to actually be a good politician.
>>5438112
You have got to be kidding me. You're saying a republican is the most LGBT-friendly candidate? He's against gay marriage but "says" he doesn't want to overturn the ruling? If we had a republican instead of Obama we wouldn't even have gay marriage in the first place.
>>5438138
>You're saying a republican is the most LGBT-friendly candidate?
No. I'm saying that Donald Trump is pro-lgbt
>He's against gay marriage but "says" he doesn't want to overturn the ruling?
Yes. It's possible to have an opinion on how you think things should be and also be cool with not forcing your beliefs on others.
>If we had a republican instead of Obama we wouldn't even have gay marriage in the first place.
True but who's arguing against this?
>>5438217
Underage b&
Don't worry I won't report you
>>5438090
>I still believe that Hillary would do more for LGBT-people than the other candidates.
And others believe that is a dangerous assumption.
>>5438327
This. She has done so much harm already and has always passed on the opportunity to help. What reason could there be to possible trust that she won't fuck us over if she becomes president? What does she have to lose? The LGBT community is so small that if none of us voted it would most likely not change the outcome
>>5438189
>Yes. It's possible to have an opinion on how you think things should be and also be cool with not forcing your beliefs on others.
True, but if he's opposed to gay marriage I wouldn't call him pro-LGBT. He just doesn't think it's worth fighting now that it's become law.
>>5426442
she is the serpent, satan incarnate
it would be a world disaster for this shill to become president
>>5438361
there are plenty of gays that oppose gay marriage.
>>5438437
I suppose, but they're still anti-LGBT in that they're opposed to equal rights for LGBT people (unless they think straight people shouldn't be allowed to get married either).
>>5438493
i wish marriage was banned for all
people shouldn't own other people in any sense of the word
marriage is basically a pledge of mutual exclusive ownership.
>>5438361
> I wouldn't call him pro-LGBT. He just doesn't think it's worth fighting now that it's become law.
He's considered pro-LGBT because the only thing he doesn't want gays to do he's not trying to prevent them from doing it. He's said multiple times that hating someone for being LGBT is idiotic and he does want to pass anti-discrimination laws for LGBT. There's nothing any Democrat wants to do for the LGBT community that Trump doesn't. Gay marriage is moot and the only battles left to fight are ones that he's on board with. Even if you choose to ignore all this just keep in mind that Clinton actually attempted to stop gays from getting married with that DOMA crap and the Dems couldn't be happier that she might be president. If I was a single issue voter I'd much rather have a president who says "I don't agree with it but I won't stop you gays from doing what you want: than a president who says "I don't agree with it so I won't allow you to do it"
>>5438493
This. Rand Paul is a good example of a non-homophobic gay marriage opposer. He wants to get rid of ALL legal marriages and allow ANY consenting couple of adults to enter a civil partnership. I'd love to see something like this. We'd all be equal and we'd hear one less whine from the christards
>>5426655
L M A O
If I'm going to vote in a warhawk who hates personal privacy, I might as well vote for somebody who doesn't spout wagegap memes. I'll accept Bernie begrudgingly, but not Clinton
>>5428380
d-do I kind of count senpai?
>>5438493
marriage is stupid and "equal rights marriage" is a trivial distraction issue
>>5438693
Rand is a good dude. I wish he would run with Bernie since their parties each cvck them
>>5438955
>marriage is stupid and "equal rights marriage" is a trivial distraction issue
It's also very unlikely that it will ever be an issue in the US. Republicans are lazy and a Supreme Court decision is extremely difficult to fight. They'd benefit more from pretending to try to overturn it and failing than they would from actually overturning it. Gay marriage being legal has pissed off their voters more about it and that's great for getting votes. If they do actually manage to repeal the right for gays to marry then their voters will calm down (as calm as those wacko rage pots can be) and the issue won't generate as many vote points. The SCOTUS decision was a great thing to GOP candidates
