Can you guys point me to the cure for AGP? Thanks.
>>5322762
Wtf is agp?
>>5322956
A debunked psychological theory that got turned into a meme that won't die.
Transition, if you get to look decently female you'll be attracted to yourself which boosts your self-confidence and might just make life worth living
>>5323013
>I cannot handle the truth
>>5323036
>The entirety of modern mainstream psychology disagrees with the theory that included AGP
>pointing this out = not handling the truth
Cool story bro
>>5322956
Accelerated Graphics Port. Most 4channers are gentoomen.
>>5323013
i think you're referring to blanchard's typology
>>5324849
Which is what AGP originated from
>>5324900
AGP was included in it, but it's a term
>>5322762
Same thing you use to cure Santa Claus.
>>5324943
Oh I like you
>>5322956
I legit paraphilia theory regarding transsexuals that got swept under the rug in the late 80's early 90's by butthurt transbian hons who originally admitted in questionaires that they did experience sexual arousal from becoming a woman but later on took it back and said they didn't and tried to lie and say blanchards team faked the results or something and later on had the lgbt community protest to have it revoked from the DSM.
It got turned into a meme by /b/ and /pol/ as a means to troll but there is a lot of truth of it which gets over looked.
>>5323052
>according to a recent study modern mainstream psychology says trans people don't have female brains either
>>5323062
>Accelerated Graphics Port
transbian detected.
>>5324943
>not believing in santa claus
>>/out/
>>5322762
You cant get rid of your fetishes anon, that's not how it works.
>>5323024
there are better ways to gain self confidence
Fap. Repeat as needed.
If you still want to wear a dress and knit post fap instead of watch some football while wearing your beer hat, well I got some bad news for you tranny.
>>5322762
enjoy the kink, and live happily ever after
>>5326154
>wife finds out
>divorces you
>go on the bottle
>lose job
>mid-life crisis
>hon
>>5326165
>wife finds out
>she helps you look pretty and pegs you in the bedroom
>happily ever after
>>5325857
I'm willing to accept that something like AGP exists, but having it based almost entirely on orientation is just retarded. There's no reason why someone who is attracted to men couldn't have a fetish about being a woman.
>according to a recent study modern mainstream psychology says trans people don't have female brains either
One study which isn't even about "brain sex" or transgenderism doesn't magically make all the prior research go away.
>>5326352
>I'm willing to accept that something like AGP exists, but having it based almost entirely on orientation is just retarded.
The stupidest thing is that being a transbian INHERENTLY means you're just AGP. It's just so ridiculous
>>5326361
What if you're bi with a preference for men? I find women attractive but I don't want to have sex with them
>tfw to get rid of agp you'll have to give up thinking about sex altogether
I used to fap to /tg/ threads on /d/ and /aco/ and realized I had AGP but had trans thoughts as early as 5 that I never told anyone or acted upon. After browsing this shitty board I saw the meme that is trans people and realized I couldn't pass if I wanted to with my structure and just simply stopped fapping to content that would trigger agp. I simply got bored of it and worked on other things. Idk, not really groundbreaking.
>>5326361
>The stupidest thing is that being a transbian INHERENTLY means you're just AGP. It's just so ridiculous
No you like most trans lesbians are misrepresenting the theory of agp an attempt to discredit it. The only reason blanchard says trans lesbians are agp is because almost all of the trans lesbians he studied had agp and not the straight trans. He's not zeroing out their sexuality or anything, it's just a coincidence that the vast majority of agp mtfs are lesbian or bi.
>>5330857
really? how long have you been "cured"?
>>5330921
Well I started browsing this board about a month ago, so I'll say for about 3 weeks. The key is to spend your time doing something constructive instead of being a degenerate.
>>5330938
>3 weeks
....oh
>>5330943
I know its not long, but the thoughts have been unexistant since then. Being on this board helps.
>>5330961
Come back when you've been cured for years :\ and then I'll believe you
I've definitely had sets of weeks where it's been fine, but it always comes back...
how old are you now and how long ago did you discover you had agp?
>>5330973
I'm 23 and I came to the self-realization that I had it since I was 20-21 but I was fine with it. It was just in this year that I realized how I couldn't fap without thinking a certain way or using certain content. Unno, I could be the same and return to it but I find it boring.
>>5322762
a lie made up by jews to divide trans people and destroy the T from the inside.
>>5330860 huh? what even? they aren't misrepresenting blanchard at all. i live in ontario and when i transitioned he and zucker had more influence on the trans health care system than anyone. i was almost brought to see zucker in toronto by my father (zucker even kept sending creepy letters to my dad how enthusiastic he was to still see me, which i guess was somehow legal because i was still a minor.) thank fucking god for the internet i was wise enough to have ducked that and was already obviously enough trans pre-hrt a psychologist and an endo was all i needed.
if autogynephilia were the only reason gay trans women happen, we'd at least know of some sort of reliable remission rate from the very drugs we use to transition.
chemical castration may have a poorer success rate in violent sex offences (shit violent men do because they think they can get away with it), but in more harmless pathologically intense sexual fixations, it's often a godsend to men with unwanted intrusive sexual thoughts in those who use it.
if it were just uncontrolled libido behind transition, people would detransition left and right--imagine trans women being able to call off ruining their fucking lives, laughing it off saying "i never thought i'd be someone to have a mental health episode, but it's just proof it can happen to anyone i guess" and get most of their friends, senpai, supports and jobs back. loser dads (or ideally recognised as mums if this were a perfect world) might get to see and support their fucking kids again. the incentive if a cure existed is just too fucking gigantic, even when you're young. did i want to lose all my friends (it's not so easy at that age to separate and keep the supportive ones along with unsupportive ones) and drop out of high school and become homeless for a period? i actually didn't. not even dropping out. not remotely. could i put a price on my having been able to reconcile with my mum before she suddenly fucking died? not fucking remotely.
>>5330981
Well I hope it works out for you and you don't find yourself on the path to becoming a freak like me
>>5331018 "their friends, senpai, supports and jobs back"
what the honest fuck. i typed senpai. f a m. check, check. how in fuck?
>>5331026
hownewru
>>5331046 posting? and being able to read this place remotely. p new. i've read it a lot off an on, what i can actually read it.
i'm old enough, literally on this site and irl (31), that some troll posted child porn, CHILD PORN, on an anonymous nerd thread i tried to start on LIGHT RAIL RAPID TRANSIT, and i gave up on this place for a long time. /lgbt/ didn't even exist then.
>>5331023
I wouldnt consider you a freak if you had AGP. Its all relative. People have their kinks.
>>5331129
yeah well that in itself isn't too bad I guess, but being a tranny is
>>5330860
Blanchard literally only had two categories, homosexual transsexuals (what we would call straight trans women today, since Blanchard defined transsexuals' orientation by their assigned sex) and autogynephilic transsexuals. I even found an autogynephilia test by Blanchard or one of their followers that indicated not just trans lesbians, but anyone who wasn't predominantly attracted to men, was AGP. It even specifically stated that asexual mtfs are AGP. Even an extreme form of asexuality, having literally no libido and being biologically incapable of sexual arousal, would be classified as AGP. It's not that Blanchard merely said most transbians are AGP, his theories meant that any trans woman not attracted to men had to be AGP by definition.
>>5331942
well, you know, homosexual does mean attracted to the same sex, and _t_ cannot change sex
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>>5333951
fuck off Ray
>...it seems evident that the question "Is the transsexual homosexual?" must be answered "yes" and " no." "Yes," if his anatomy is considered; "no" if his psyche is given preference.
>What would be the situation after corrective surgery has been performed and the sex anatomy now resembles that of a woman? Is the "new woman" still a homosexual man? "Yes," if pedantry and technicalities prevail. "No" if reason and common sense are applied and if the respective patient is treated as an individual and not as a rubber stamp
>>5331942
>any trans woman not EXCLUSIVELY attracted to men had to be AGP by definition.
Caps my correction. Any deviation from his typology was brushed aside as dishonesty on the part of trans persons.
>>5333951
>cannot change sex
Transition can, and does change many of the characteristics that comprise sex.
>>5333951
The "sexual" in homosexual refers to sexual behavior, not biological sex. Homosexual means attracted to the same sex and/or gender.
>>5334006
>Caps my correction. Any deviation from his typology was brushed aside as dishonesty on the part of trans persons.
J. Michael Bailey's AGP test (which is what I based that statement on) did seem to permit slight experimentation with women, it says if you're "nearly as attracted to women as to men" you're AGP, which implies that if you're only slightly interested in women you might not be AGP. Though it's obvious that you have to be overwhelmingly interested in men to not count as being AGP. This is the same test that says you're virtually guaranteed to be AGP if you're not interested in men or women, were a virgin at age 20, don't pass after 6 months on HRT, or would rather spend an hour with a man dancing instead of sucking his dick. It's really ridiculous. Of the two categories, "autogynephilic transsexuals" actually sound more legit, since their reason for transitioning actually is about wanting to be a different gender (even if only because of a fetish), while Bailey's criteria really makes it sound like "homosexual transsexuals" are hypersexual gay men who want to trick straight men into having sex with them.
>>5334142
>then why not just make a word that, you know, isn't based on sex?
Sexuality terms (heterosexual, homosexual, etc) are based on sex as in fucking rather than sex as in whether you have a penis or a vagina.
>>5334142
>then why not just make a word that, you know, isn't based on sex?
We did, actually. Androphilia and gynephilia are pretty commonly used now in medical literature about trans people
I'm kind of confused about the definition of autogynephilia. The definitions always go by "imaging oneself as a woman", but what exactly does that mean? Like, if a straight man doesn't imagine himself as a person in his fantasies, but instead has a woman as the "main character" of his fantasies kind of like the player's character in a video game, would that count as AGP?
>>5334236
The idea is that you literally get off to the idea of being a woman. Like, you imagine yourself having a vagina and wearing a dress and get a hard-on. For shitposting purposes this is usually extended to having any sort of sexuality as a trans woman
>>5334288
The confusion is that I'm not sure what counts as "self" in terms of fantasies. Like, for example, I'm not sure where you'd draw the line between say imagining yourself as a woman who is having sex with another woman as opposed to imagining yourself watching two women have sex.
>>5331156
Having AGP doesn't mean you're a tranny you don't have to take this fetish too far, there is no requirement for that, you don't even have to buy women's clothes. Some guys just fap to the idea. I really dont see any moral value for or against it.
Do you think it is making your life harder?
>>5334323
yeah you're definitely right. and by "bad" I don't mean in any sort of moral way. it's bad just like being autistic is bad.
it's really, really making life difficult for me. it's been years, and it just got stronger and stronger and stronger, and it consumed me to the point where i've become deluded into believing I am trans and am now on hormones. and it doesn't appear that it will let up.
am I enabling it in some sense? probably. but I am too weak. I tried to forget about it. sometimes I would manage to forget it for some time. I tried to leave it behind me and hold strong against it, but it always came back. if turning me into something I'm not and taking control over my life isn't making my life harder, I don't know what would
>>5334301
well the line, I think, would be drawn at the point where you start imagining yourself as a woman. if you're imagining yourself watching ______ have sex, are you a woman in this fantasy, a man, or is it not included?
>>5330938
>about 3 weeks
lel
>>5336745
lol ikr? I was excited for a minute there...
>>5334605
Hi same boat. You are tranny now. The agp caused the dysphoria which caused the you being a tranny. Sorry.
>>5340002
fuck
>>5340002
so what's your story?
>>5325989
>tfw would always, at bare minimum, prefer to be a gril
>wished i was a gril when i was child
>experienced intense depression because of it all randomly at 18
>still feels like it's agp
I'm just a guy, it was never really supposed to be a big part of my life. I don't think i am female.
Either way i started taking hormones a couple months after the depression hit, it's kinda like a pause button that makes you look better and makes you hide boob growth 24/7
>>5341679
i mean...lots of completely misguided butthurt anons will say that "agp doesn't real!!" because they have agp and have been brainwashed into thinking that means they can't get their TruTrans sticker. yeah, it's not that agp <=> trans, but sometimes you can be both, sometimes just one
>>5341740
same I think Im a bit of both. Being female turns me on but I can also feel female,without being turned on.
>>5323024
When I went from a 260lb planet to a 170lb twig I couldn't stop looking at myself.
Does that fit the bill?
I think I even jacked off once whilst doing my hair.
>>5341832
Are you going to transition?
So....what to do when again I think I need to stop hormones because it's only going to make my life more complicated and etc etc etc when I keep crawling back each time?
>>5325989
That is one of the first things I did when I was coming to terms with being trans. I didn't want to be (for obvious reasons), so I tried fapping it away. When I realised that didn't work and it wasn't a fetish, it was easier to accept it.
The surest approach is to go to church immediately and confess your sins to your priest. Once you've done this, grasp your scourge firmly and begin striking yourself rhythmically while reciting the Prayer of the Penitent. Reflect deeply upon your wrongdoings while you do this and remember that the Lord loves you and will forgive your sins if you admit to your wrongdoings and purge yourself of these inappropriate thoughts. Think of the physical scars as bleeding away your sin, as Christ bled for the sins of mankind.
>>5350613
thanks m8. know where I can order a good whip or set of blades? any on amazon?
>>5350613
>tfw actually joined a church yesterday
>>5353152
Now you just have to kill yourself.
>>5341832
>170lb
>twig
Maybe if you're like 7'5"
>>5353467
it's just typical fatty delusion tbh
>>5326352
AGP is based on Blanchard's erotic target location error theory which is the idea that people's decision attraction can be misdirected onto themselves instead of others. For that to make sense only bi/lesbian mtfs could have agp
>>5322762
I don't see what the big deal is really. I'm bi male and I've been attracted to my own body my whole life. Now that I'm transitioning to female I'm also attracted to this new body... who the fuck cares if you turn yourself on.
Turning yourself on does not debunk gender dysphoria.
>>5357267
The big deal is I don't want it. I never said anything was morally wrong with it.
>>5358033
Oh ok. That's fare...
I only said my previous message because I feel like some people use AGP to negate gender-dysphoria in general.
>>5328904
AGP IS blanchard's theories. There is nothing to it but Blanchard. There were two papers during the DSM committee pointing out even places that tried very hard to adopt Blanchard typology failed to reproduce the experiment, which there is a good reason for.
Blanchard had the power to block people from transitioning at all in Ontario before IC clinics started appearing in the province, aside from people who got the courage to self-med. People told each other the stories to tell to go through their bullshit system. Blanchard's whole theory, agp included, is built on a massive series of false positives that the local trans community fed into so it could get a minimum of medical care.
>>5360156
>AGP IS blanchard's theories. There is nothing to it but Blanchard
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>>5322762
its too late. Blame anime!
>>5360372
There were others who advocated his typology, but they didn't really add anything new, it's still something that is wholly Blanchard's theory even if others agreed with it.
>>5362686
Well... Not exactly. Blanchard's work is actually a bit of a refinement (I think of it as a simplification, but that's me) of his colleague, Kurt Freund's work, that cut out two of the "types" earlier hypothesized. Blanchard's big thing was making it popular, and the term AGP (autogynephilia).
>>5362686
>his typology
again
>>5322762
Friendly reminder that AGP is NOT REAL and if you think you are AGP you are just deluded and trans-misogynistic! Thanks!
>>5367004
you're retarded
>>5323013
>it's impossible for a man to fetishize becoming a woman
>>5371476
;^) AGP isn't real ;^)
>>5322762
seriously guys pls respond. how am I suppsoed to live with this?
>>5381901
You've got plenty of answers. Let a dead thread die.
>>5381923
thanks for the bump ;^)
