How would you redesign this into a less vulnerable vehicle?
>>30626959
>>30626994
Add treads and /thread
>>30626989
worse design, mines took them out and pilot was exposed as was the gunner.
>>30627011
Don't even need treads, Star Wars has hover shit, just add some of that.
>>30627011
>treads
Not past future enough, give it spider legs, with treads on the legs.
>>30626989
>exposed gunner
>driver sits in a glass box sticking out of the front
tell me they can steer, aim and fire from an enclosed position. Clones can't be THAT disposable.
>>30627011
was my first thought as well but not gonna put effort into a shitpost thread
>>30627072
I agree with this
>>30627077
But why make it even more vulnerable that the original?
>>30627095
that's less vulnerable, it's basically a tank that is able to tread around on tippy toes
>>30627084
>typing four words
>effort
I put more effort into responding to you than to OP. I love Star Wars, if you love what you do, you'll never work a day in your life senpai
>>30627083
sorry anon
>>30627083
>Glass
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Plasteel
>>30627095
>Not past future enough
Star Wars shit needs to look like it's simultaneously from the future, but also a billion years old.
>>30626959
cable cutters on the thighs and shins, for starters
>>30627110
Except it's not? And two treads are inherently better than four legs. It's two seperate operating mechanisms. With four legs you'll have to coordinate walking through/over terrain and obstacles rather than just sliding over them. Also, legs of any kind < treads at the base of the vehicle.
>>30627125
>not past future enough
See >>30627072
Ignoring the turning radius of none, this was a move in the right direction.
>>30626959
In starwars cannon its not particularly vulnerable at all. Its armor is fucking ridicules.
The only reason why they lost on hoth is because of the snow speeders. tangling the legs is the only way to bring them down which isnt always possible or aplicable.
If you really want to make it less vulnerable give it a energy shield generator. and some saws that can be activated on its legs to cut whatever is trying to tie it up
>>30626959
Removing the legs and replacing them with tires or treads seems too obvious. If you wanted to keep the legs just add four enclosed E-Web turrets for some AA so that infantry and faster vehicles can't just part behind it without taking fire. The most egregious issue is just that it lacks proper defensive weapons.
>>30626959
AA/anti-personnel turrets, like say 2-3 of the Falcon'so style of lasers on the sides and rear. The walker'so vulnerability was that a small fast aircraft or man on foot could approach unopposed because the guns only shot straight ahead.
trophy system and needs a steel cage to stop ropes
>>30627183
Fuck off hive mind /k/
>>30627208
One of us, One of us!
>>30626959
>>30627011
>>30626959
>>30626994
>Take this hover-variant, electrify the underside and add enough turret cover over the main body to nickname it "Flying Porcupine"
>>30627225
This is good but seeing it with treads I'd also raise its head. That's where its primary weapons system is mounted and it would need more clearance. Throwing treads on it lowers its center of gravity and makes it more stable, but I think it takes away from the effectiveness of its main gun.
>>30627225
The more I think about it, the more it seems like it would make more sense to just lop the head off, turn the body into a turret, slap on some AA, and replace the head with a single turbolaser barbette. Faster, greater defense against infantry and airpower, vastly greater firepower, fewer vulnerabilities.
>>30626959
Add curtains and a dog
>>30626959
you don't, it was a truly shitty design with absolutely no purpose
>>30627277
Then it wouldn't be an AT-AT, it would bve a hover tank, which already exists in Star Wars. You have to remember that shit like the AT-AT and the Death Star were born from the Tarkin Doctrine, which had, as it's central idea, that there is no more effective weapon than fear. The primary design goal for these things, was to be scary.
>>30626959
Scrap the whole thing, and built 6 gorillion of pic related for the same price
>>30627295
[exploding van intensifies]
>>30627314
I think I'd be more spooked by a turbolaser on tracks. While I do recall what the Tarkin Doctrine was all about, it was also deeply flawed in that those same intimidating weapons systems had glaring weaknesses which would allow any competent tactician to cripple them.
>>30627341
I recognize that bulge!
>>30627327
>t-90 with blaster cannons and Star Wars sensor tech
>droid control backup, turning tank into giant battle droid
>shield generators
Giant strobe lights @ 60,000 lumens
>>30627314
Then fuck all this practical shit, make it spooky.
Give it spooky noises, real disturbing shit. Sample some alien cow or something. Also terror weapons, gas and bio and ear bursting noise emitters (which the stormtrooper helmets would protect from) ect. ect.
Cover up the exposed internals and hydraulics, it makes it look weak. Spooky feet, not big pads. Also remove that camel hump.
8 legs, make it a spider. More mass damage weapons, mount some rockets onto it, Space-white phosphorus payloads or something. You could use some tech creatively, use gravity manipulators to crush enemies in horrific ways, force-fields to shred them up ect.
Make the troopers that drop out of it specialty spooky death squads, give them more terror weapons like flame throwers and gas grenades and a more spook-tacular armour design.
>>30627375
most rebel fighters are older than 16 tho
>>30627358
>hover so it can zip around at full speed on all terrain
>invisibility cloak
>>30626959
Lessen the length of its legs, they're a bit too long. Design a more robust set of hips and spread them out a bit, the classic AT-AT looks like it would fall over in a strong wind and can't properly angle its legs to compensate. Don't change the legs to the insect configuration of the AT-TE though; less energy efficient.
Also add cameras to the bottom and train pilots to stop moving when they're being towed by Rebel snowspeeders. Literally all they had to do on Hoth was to stand still for a bit and the cables would have just fallen off.
http://youtu.be/erFcYsC6JaY
>>30627402
how come camels don't tip over in a strong wind?
>>30627375
>Make the troopers that drop out of it specialty spooky death squads, give them more terror weapons like flame throwers and gas grenades and a more spook-tacular armour design.
So something like this?
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Dark_trooper
>>30627454
ball joints
>>30627462
design the at-at with ball joints, then you've just gotta slap on some new legs
>>30627153
The problem being that treads aren't as versatile as legs are, the ability to switch between two modes makes the craft more effective depending on the environment.
>>30626994
>>30627514
Current tech has treads > legs but in SWU it could have progressed farther, but still hoverfeature over legs and treads
>>30627514
>>30627647
Treads are more versatile than legs in any terrain I can think of.
>>30627153
>And two treads are inherently better than four legs.
That's nice.
Delete your legs
Acquire wheelchair please
![article-1320728-0B9F8225000005DC-23_470x581[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/dUtC3OY.jpg "article-1320728-0B9F8225000005DC-23_470x581[1].jpg")
>>30627676
ok
>>30627164
LAV/Striker on steroids?
>>30627863
>>30627823
mechanically speaking: treads>wheels>legs.
Treaded robots have a significant advantage to legged robots. Wheeled robots probably fall in the middle somewhere.
>>30627858
>pic unrelated
Show me a bot that does that reliably anon, I will concede the point. Most 4 legged bots these days can't even run reliably on flat ground.
>>30627419
Is it just me or does the snow speeder resembles an IL2?
>>30627881
>>30627905
>Treaded robots have a significant advantage to legged robots.
That advantage only extends as far as our still undeveloped AI and balancing programs are holding back our legged robots. It is very difficult to program them to walk properly but this says nothing about their inherent capabilities. The usual /k/ sperg about the AT-AT is about this, not whether treads or wheels are currently more practical for our contemporary robots that are too dumb to stand straight.
Of course, a neural interface for a human pilot would solve a lot of these problems.
>>30627968
>>30627072
Would be my choice even over advanced robotics.
I recommended the best we have available, which as of now is still tread>legs, but even in the future I see hovertech outclassing robotic legs
>>30627420
naah senpai
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=utFRqsT61-k
>>30626959
By providing adequate support with infantry and smaller vehicles on the ground and in the air. There's no do all death machine that's invulnerable to everything.
>>30627905
>these days
But anon
We're talking about the FUTURE
Why not just put light-saber beams that run down the inside and outside of the legs when its active? That way it can't be tied up....
>>30627905
not anon youre referring to but that's like saying planes dont work because we take design influence from birds; sure they can't turn on a dime like birds do, but they fly
>>30628403
technically aren't we talking about the past? A long, long time ago?
>>30628371
>fighters are weak and have stormtrooper aim
>stormtroopers are weak and have stormtrooper aim
>ATST pilots have stormtrooper aim
the ATAT really is a case of fuck everything, it's fine unless the rebels happen to get creative with their tow cables
>>30627164
>monster truck covered in dakka
We Gears of War now.
>>30627375
That picture is giving me real fucking problems
>>30627153
Actually, 4 different treads means you've got redundancy in the case of damage. With a traditional tank, cutting either tread is an immobilizing hit while a 4 tread design means that you could lose one or possibly two treads and still be mobile.
Otherwise, it's basically treads using an electric hybrid engine
>>30628047
I'd put less stock in hover tech as helicopters are very fuel intensive. The ground effect will buy you some leeway but you've still got hard weight requirements and are now dependent on terrain.
Maybe for very light and fast vehicles but not for anything with appreciable armor.
>>30630309
I don't believe he's talking about standard airbag hover technology, he's probably referring to actual magic anti-gravity.
>>30627164
Considering theyre not some slow moving walking giant this is probably the better option
>>30627179
not even the snow speeders, it was a jedi piloting one and telling the others what to do....hero actions!
>>30626959
I believe the point of these Atat's is to to draw fire while sky and ground forces converge on target.
That's why Luke spent all that time fighting them and they lost the base anyway. They basically function as a highly armored decoy.
>>30626959
The importance of star wars vehicles isn't so much they're tactile function, but more the ability to assemble them into profitable toys.
In this case, the atat is actually a cargo freighter that was being used as a tactical decoy.
>>30626959
pretty much anywhere in the mech warrior universe you'll fine better designs.
starwars is for very young children, like 4-10 years old.
>>30627588
PERFECT
>>30630464
By the same virtue, you could create mechs simply because it makes as much sense as anything else.
>>30627968
>That advantage only extends as far as our still undeveloped AI and balancing programs are holding back our legged robots. It is very difficult to program them to walk properly but this says nothing about their inherent capabilities
Inherent capabilities of legs are metric shitton of weak points and needless mechanical complexity , coupled with high ground pressure and overall crappiness.
Nature has to deal with legs, becasue growing wheels is not feasible.
Only battlefield where legged combat vehicle would have advantage is Planet Of Giant Stairs.
Realistically, in our future, do you guys think mechs will replace treads, treads reign supreme, or will they each have their own niche?
>>30630890
>you could create mechs simply because it makes as much sense as anything else.
No it wouldn't. At the same tech tech level mech will always be inferior to treaded or wheeled combat vehicle AND the hypothetical Magic Hover wehicle.
Also, if you ghave tech to make mechas viable, it would be a good idea to give said mechs a giant ATB bicycles, to cheaply increse their speed and tactical mobility .
>>30626959
AT-AT are supposed to be long range artillery with some transport capability. They are not the main battle vehicles.
Only reason why they were used that way on Hoth was the extreme cold.
>>30630854
And this is for adults?
>>30630854
>Implying that's somehow a less stupid design
>>30630970
>Realistically, in our future, do you guys think mechs will replace
Realistically, mechs will never be a thing at all.
>>30630890
Legs exist, antigravity doesn't. Can /k/ get any more retarded? Like this is pretty clinically insane territory to go to this length, use this much mental gymnastics in order to conform to a dogma.
>>30630912
So what's stopping you from cutting off your legs again? We have powered wheelchairs and roads and elevators and all sorts of amenities already built.
What's the hold up?
>>30628865
Time is cyclical. Concepts of past and future are obsolete.
>>30630982 Bikes are fucking stupid. Leaves the mechs completely unprotetected. We should build some vehicle, armored to the brim to protect the occupants, with treads for enhanced maneuverability, and a large cannon to deal with other armored threats, aso well as some machine guns to deal with the softer targets
>>30631003
No, this is for teens, aged 12-18. It has a bit more realism and complexity than that kiddo shit, and would look a hell of a lot cooler in a movie battle.
>>30628419
lightsabers r ilegal by space atf they kill ur ewok mah boi
>>30631009
it is a lot less stupid. More stability, faster, smaller target. Some armor is removed so you can see the internals bit, but normally those exposed vitals are covered.
It's clearly less stupid.
>>30630987
hes right boys
>>30630970
No. Mechs will not replace neither tracked nor wheeled vehicles. Their niche is roughly bear-sized and smaller multipedal robots degsined for urban and mountain combat (hard and rough terrain with lots of vertical barriers).
As for any other battlefield, mechs are inherently less useful and less reliable than conventional technology (assuming similar technology level, of course) .
Only scenarios where mechs would be superior to conventional systems are ones where walkers are built by group with acces to vastly superior technology to offset their lesser effectiveness [ crude metaphor - car using round wheels is superior to car using wheels in shape of octagon. But if your octagon-wheeled car has 20 times as much engine power and advance electronic drive bywire system to keep it under control it will outperform the roud-wheeled one)
>>30627164
>>30627292
>>30627520
>>30627588
We Space Engineers now
>>30631065
What if we could figure out a way to build a tank that could be convereted on the field into a mech for mountain or urban warfare?
>>30631061
Not really. You see, it has legs which makes it just as stupid as every other legged design.
>>30631065
agree to a point
Mechs are for rough harsh terrain, not just mountain and urban, they would also excel anywhere a wheeled vehicle couldn't go, forrest, jungle, certain types of desert, wetlands (woth proper foot modifications, snow, ice, antartica type climates, these are places tanks would get stuck and cars wouldn't be able to get ot.
However a mech large enough that could carry enough firepower, and sensor equipment that it's basically a walking battleship, would be an enormous asset.
Of course wheeled vehicles will always have their place. but a smaller highly maneuverable mech with jump jet capabilities allowing it to go toe to toe in the air with a helicopter for short periods even would be quite a power house, jumping out of a jungle canopy to lay ambush in a fleet of choppers.
A gunmen/robo tech style mech that could convert to having full flight capabilities like a harrier would clearly replace most of the air force.
>>30631178
Ah yes the ability to go over any terrain is incredibly stupid. maybe you have a better idea, like a tread tank that can crush mountains and ice and dunes and build roads directly in front of it while it's moving.
>>30626959
if star wars made any sense the imperial fleet would have just nuked the rebel base from orbit.
There'd be no reason to go down there for any reason besides post nuke recon.
If the death star can blow up planets then the imperial ships undoubtedly have lasers that could blow up a city. They wouldn't even have to enter the solar system.
>>30631235
But that would mean loosing out on potentially capturing high ranking rebel leaders and find the locations of other rebel cells.
>>30631235
Nuking Echo Base would have also meant nuking the Imperial Army units that had been sent to destroy the shield generator. The Empire may have considered its regular forces disposable to some degree, but neither is it so wasteful as to destroy an entire landing force. Orbital bombardment may have proven inefficient anyways, given that the base was underground.
>>30631288
>>30631314
He's still right, though. Even if the Imperials didn't want to destroy the base, or they couldn't destroy the base, there is still no reason why they couldn't have used the star destroyer's lasers to destroy rebel weapons emplacements to make things easier for the Imperial ground troops.
>>30626959
Get rid of legs and head, add hover and bigass cannons, with some turrets.Oh wait its a tank now isn't it?Says a lot.
>>30626959
Turn it into a Magrider but as an IFV and troop support siege weapon
Replace them with giant versions of this
>>30627341
>dick gun
A weapon to surpass metal gear
>>30631772
Make it larger and then the Tarkin Doctrine will cream it's pants
>>30626959
>less vulnerable
They've lost like... one.
Empire loses more deathstars than ATATs
>>30631803
Two. Wedge tripped on and then Luke placed an explosive inside another one.
>>30631343
Here's how the Battle of Hoth went down and why the Empire didn't just bomb them from orbit.
>Probe droid lands on Hoth.
>Brattle-der-brats for a bit and finds the shield generator, sends info back to Empire
>Empire goes wtflol? Why's there a military grade shield generator on this uninhabited planet? Must be the Rebel Alliance
>Alliance destroys probe and begin evacuation protocols
>Vader and his fleet show up and notice the shield is too strong for an orbital bombardment and Vader senses Luke's presence and wants him alive.
>Send in ground troops to disable shield generator while Star Destroyers get set up to intercept any fleeing rebels
>Oh Fugg! They have an Ion Cannon. Star Destroyers being disabled left and right
>TRANSPORT ONE AWAY!
>TRANSPORT TWO AWAY!
>Rebel ground forces manage to delay the Imperials enough so most transports escape
>Imps lose a walker or two but manage to destroy the generator.
>Too little too late as the Destroyers in orbit are either disabled or too busy chasing fleeing rebels.
>Falcon takes off just as Vader reaches the base's hangar.
>Gives chase because Luke might be on board or at least know where he is.
TL;DR Echo Base didn't get bombed from orbit because of the shield protecting it as well as the Imperials wanting to capture the rebel command staff and Luke.
>>30632754
Also that Ion Cannon straight up fucked the Star Destroyers.
>snow speeder has tow cable strong enough to trip up a multi-story high walking weapon platform
first off, why does the snow speeder have a cable hundreds of yards long and why don't they make everything out of tow cable? shit was like an inch thick at most yet had, i presume, a retarded high tensile strength
>>30632754
I wonder how much the rebels lost at Hoth. Their gun turrets and anti-vehicle satellite dishes got fucked. It looked like their infantry got fucked buying time for the transports to escape, and Luke and that robot mentioned having to leave shit behind.
>>30632926
>>30631150
Please find an example of a walking vehicle capable of reliably navigating mountains or rubble.
>>30627077
> S P I D E R T A N K
>>30632926
>I wonder how much the rebels lost at Hoth
they got fucked pretty hard, but it could have been much worse considering a single Star Destroyer has a complement of 20 AT-AT
how many were in orbit, 4 -6? the Empire could have crushed the Rebellion at any time if it wanted to
>>30627858
Those goats would be more stable with pedrail tracks.
>>30633020
>they got fucked pretty hard, but it could have been much worse considering a single Star Destroyer has a complement of 20 AT-AT
Wait a minute, what vehicles do they have for deploying those AT-ATs from space?
>>30633087
>>30633142
Screw putting turbolasers on an AT-AT, I'd just put turbolasers on the power and propulsion platform from that monster.
>>30628821
Then why pray tell do plane not copy birds completely and fly by flapping their wings instead of using jets and props?
Engineers have figured some things out a bit better than nature has
>>30633216
A bird is still more agile though
>>30631670
the shagohod?
>>30627402
Why not just add AA on the back or sides of it? The thing seems like a huge waste if it only has the head weapons.
WHAT
DO
THE
LEGS
ADD
to an AT-AT's list of capabilities? Please offer a good answer.
>>30633371
>to an AT-AT's list of capabilities? Please offer a good answer.
They look like gantry cranes and kind of scary.
>>30627164
>Ignoring the turning radius of none
Oh man, that killed me.
>>30633386
>kind of scary
No
>>30633225
A bird can't carry missiles or go Mach 2 though
>>30633417
You'd be shitting your pants if a giant walker was shooting laser beams out of its robot face in your direction.
I love /k/ Star Wars threads even though I've never seen it.
Anyone got any badass Stormtrooper art or know where I could look? DeviantArt has some decent pics but you gottta wade through shit to find it.
>>30633516
Good.
Now go tell that to the Skunkworks, let's see what happens.
>>30633557
speaking of Stormtroopers, their armor was pretty badass
sentient zombie virus aside, it provided complete NBC protection and was the equivalent of head to toe level IIIA armor
Han's blaster, and a few others, fired rifle strength bolts
force fields are the level IV armor of the star wars universe but they can be temperamental and expensive
no justification for equipping all soldiers with them
>Spidertank
Takemikazuchi, anyone?
>>30633557
This is my wallpaper.
>>30633371
I was thinking in the same direction. The height adds an overview of the battlefield, and in hoth it would allow them to shoot over trenches. How do we keep them while minimizing their weakness?
I'm getting a graduate ME degree atm. I'd solve this problem by sharpening the edges of the legs in such a way to cut even steel cables, or use an electronic wire running along the legs that activates a cutting laser down the legs when pressed (the circuit will complete that way). Doing all the other things ITT besides levitating it gives up the atts height advantage
>>30631026
Yes they will, not for war. Once when the Japanese devise a way to build it, it will happen. They are really into robotics, and mecha.
