It's here! The Meteor missile has finally entered operation service, with Sweden.
http://www.mbda-systems.com/press-releases/mbdas-meteor-enters-service-with-the-swedish-air-force/
http://www.mbda-systems.com/?action=force-download-attachment&attachment_id=12784
Imagine how much Chinese scrap heaps you could make with these.
>Mach 4+ with 200nm range
Holy shit that's a hell of a missile
Is this the best air to air missile in the world?
>>30603298
Probably, AMRAAM is pretty fucking good.
>>30603267
>Weight 185kg
>Operational range 320km
![662259a90d2551bff109e7db4848e05e[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/FEmoO9i.jpg "662259a90d2551bff109e7db4848e05e[1].jpg")
>>30603298
>Mach 4+ with 200nm range
I wish I was a normal person, and that this didn't excite me on some deeper level.
But it do.
>>30603316
Even the latest AMRAAM variants can't hold a candle to the meteor
Only the AA-13 comes half as close in range but that's meant to shoot down cooperating AWACS-type targets
>>30603495
AA-13 range is up to 400km, but it weights 600kg.
>>30603370
It's an airbreather, that's why it's got such good range for its size and weight.
>>30603298
>200 nanometers
>>30603316
It's essentially an AMRAAM with a ramjet to increase the range.
I am curious if the boost phase effects its off bore ability.
>>30603573
>Americans will believe this
>pilots will be obsolete in your lifetime
Can someone recommend me some reading on what modern air-to-air combat is actually like? Between the idea that BVR is all that exists anymore and dog-fighting being non-existent due to 360 degree missile launching ability I figure I'm missing something.
Since the Meteor is superior to the latest block Amraams(without taking away the 120s status, its a respectable missile) why doesn't the US military adopt it/cooperate with countries developing it to keep the expertise inside our country
I thought it was common for the US to help the West with military tech and vice versa
>>30603588
>my country doesn't have its flag on the moon
>>30603573
Don't get all high-and-mighty metricfaggot, everyone uses nautical miles.
>>30603267
I always wondered if a long range AA missile like the meteor has a good hit probability against a 4.5 or 5 gen fighter in a typical engagement (face to face).
With this kind of speed it's probably very difficult to dodge without top class CM.
>>30603573
Fine, nmi
>>30603626
The US is making its own ramjet missile, it was supposedly cancelled by Obummer but its development still pops up now and again.
What the US is currently more interested in is making missiles smaller.
>>30603687
Imagine a CUDA with a ramjet engine and new seeker.
World ending.
>>30603687
>TFW the meteor is just a stopgap
>the US is secretly making a mini meteor to fit in the F-35
>TFW 10 years from now the bulk of NATO will be flying F-35s equipped with 12 internal mini meteors apiece
West side worldwide
>>30603714
stop, my dick can only get so erect
>>30603652
I don't believe you dodge. If countermeasures fail, you bail.
>>30603756
Depends on the range, if you are at the outer limits of a missiles range it is just gliding and has little energy to turn.
>>30603648
Even still, the correct abbreviation is nmi or NM.
>In order "to make [the Meteor] interchangeable with the AMRAAM on the Eurofighter, the semi recession dictated [fixed dimensions that matched the AMRAAM, ie 12ft x 7inches]." It also dictated using two inlets instead of four, which reduced performance at negative g's and sideslip, thus dictating bank-to-turn (since it couldn't take full advantage of TVC anyway).
>>30603646
>His country doesn't have its coat of arms on the Moon that didn't turn into the national flag of France with time
>>30603819
>Need a new missile sir.
>Just use the AMRAAM, slap a ramjet and put a new seeker.
>Brilliant!
>>30603868
I think it's still largely the same seeker as AIM-120C.
>>30603626
I think the problem is that because of the way the intake is shaped, you can't fit Meteors into the internal bay of an F-22.
Raytheon was making their own Ramjet-AMRAAM program, but it was cancelled for budget reasons after the Brits picked Meteor.
>>30603622
>pilots will be obsolete in your lifetime
>implying the next evolution of air combat isn't manned fighters directing squadrons of semi-autonomous drone fighters
>>30604095
>>implying the next evolution of air combat isn't manned fighters directing squadrons of semi-autonomous drone fighters
Yeah, that looks like where the US is going. There are problems with AI, bandwidth, latency, and jamming that combine to mean that neither a fully autonomous fighter nor only drone fighters will be realistic any time soon.
>>30604163
I think optionally-manned is a must for 6th gen. The ability to have the right level of control and reactivity for any situation, especially when combined with drones being controlled by the aircraft or from the ground.
>>30603267
Sweden gib missile plox
>>30604830
UK, France, Italy, Spain, Saudi Arabia, Egypt and Qatar have ordered the missiles too.
Qualifications with the Typhoon, Rafale and F-35s are taking longer though.
>>30604026
It's an independently developed seeker - they also have plans to develop an AESA seeker.
ok sweden, now remove kebab.
>>30603687
Air breathing could significantly increase Isp from the missile.
I think the Meteor only doubles it since its just partially air breathing and still a solid rocket.
>>30604979
The borders are closed now at least, removing kebab comes later.
I doubt that the Meteor will be useful for that task however, cutting welfare and forcing kebab to work is a far more effective tool.
The Meteor is useful to keep vatniks from the skies over Gotland when the war in the Baltic come.
>>30604888
>UK
Ordered? we built it. Or do you mean the RAF and i'm being patriotically retarded.
>>30605104
You can build something and not order it.
i.e. M777.
>>30604744
The USAF wants manned fighters for 6th gen. The navy is looking at optionally manned.
>>30603687
I'd imagine you would end up with a mix.
CUDA is an amazing force multiplier if it works as advertised, but its range is only comparible to current AMRAAMs.
Would want something like Meteor with a huge NEZ as well.
>>30604830
MBDA has almost nothing to do with Sweden
>>30604744
>I think optionally-manned is a must for 6th gen.
BAE disagrees
>>30605228
You either go full autonomous or I don't see it happening at all outside of COIN.
EMCON would be a fucking nightmare if you have to remain in constant contact with them.
>>30605250
Taranis and its french cousin who's name i forget are designed to be fully autonomous in strike and air superiority.
However EMCON isn't too much of an issue with the secure data links NATO has available and the ability for the controller to send one way traffic that will activate on board instructions.
I'm not looking forward to the 2030's though, i like my fighter pilots to be made of liquid.
>>30603714
Meteor already fits the B.
>>30605222
Sweden is a partner though which is why most trials was done in sweden.
It is odd theat Sweden that is the smallest partner in the development can field the Meteor long before the UK who did most of the development.
>>30605228
>>30605284
Neither are designed as a fighter and the MoD have asked BAE Systems to keep manned/optionally manned for any future air superiority platform.
>>30605284
nEUROn ?
>>30605816
Nice job Sweden, made it for 2016.
2017 for Typhoon integration.
2018 (possibly 2017) for Rafale.
Early 2020's for F-35.
>>30603652
Put simply, if this thing isn't gonna be thrown off by countermeasures (which in itself is difficult, they're planning to cram an AESA in that thing) then you punch it. You don't even fucking try.
There's no plane on earth out-maneuovering a Meteor. The biggest "WTF?!" thing about the missile is how much energy it retains, even after a long range shot it'll be chasing planes down at sprint speeds and damn near SRAMM levels of kinematic energy.
Meteor has essentially eliminated the "try and out-maneuover a missile losing its energy at the point of contact" method of evasion with that insane NEZ it has.
It's a very impressive missile. Kudos to MBDA for making quite possibly the best current air to air missile. Now if only USA can get their hands on something like that.
>>30607227
I think people underestimate quite how slow and unpowered AMRAAMs are flying once they start reaching their maximum range.
>>30605586
Rafale have the Mica which is de good wvraam. The euroshitter also have some good aam. The grippen was initially fitted with shitty aam, thats why they needed it the quickest
>>30607508
>The grippen was initially fitted with shitty aam, thats why they needed it the quickest
Except it has AIM-9, AIM-120 and IRIS-T. All are very good missiles.
If anything, it's Rafale who desperately needs it, given it has no BVRAAM at all.
>>30607508
>grippen
>pp
triggered.jpg
Also, which are these "shitty" AAMs? Gripen has relied on the AIM-120 from the start, a missile that cannot be described as shitty under any metric.
>>30607227
Is there a way to know which missile is chasing you ? So you know if you have a chance to evade or if you should just gtfo asap.
>>30607811
Well if it's 2020 and you're facing the British, French, Swedish or certain other nations, then you'll have a pretty good idea.
But no, you're generally quite right. It's difficult to know whats coming at you. Chances are Meteor kills will mostly be on aircraft that barely realised until the last second, and by then it'll be far far too late.
>>30607381
Why are you implying a universal characteristic is unique to AMRAAM?
>>30603573
>nanomissiles, son
>>30607381
But how will the pilot know at what range the missile was fired? It could've been fired from ground, air or whereever, the only information (as far as I know) the pilot gets is that there's a missile coming and maybe the direction. You can get the range if you know exactly who is firing at you.
How will a pilot decide if it has a high chance to hit or not? I think air forces would advise them to bail.
>>30605228
That won't work for a lot of missions. Drones have too much data latency, bandwidth, and jamming problems to replace fighter pilots. You can't make decisions off of a fraction of the information the plane is taking in the are only translated a full minute or more in the future, all with the risk of completely losing the signal.
Fully autonomous only works when you have a clearly defined mission. You could certainly have a fully autonomous strike platform that hits predetermined targets. You could also have essentially a flying air defense system that will patrol and shoot down enemies in a predetermined area. However, there is a whole host of war scenarios when you need a pilot or to be connected to a pilot (slave relationships). That pilot is going to have a different mission than todays pilots though.
>>30608167
You don't know the exact range unless you've detected the launch platform or a launch using IRST. But there are numerous shootdowns where the pilot had no idea he was being launched on.
Its a difficult decision but flying defensive can help a lot. Air combat is fucking ruthless.
Ground-based is far more predictable and easier to evade due to the size of the missile and the plume being visible.
>>30603573
"Today it is an SI derived unit, being rounded to an even number of meters"
I'm mad, not because I'm a burger (I'm Danish) but because I'm a sailor.
NM is a world standard in navigation.
>>30608333
But the decisions pilot make are quite simple. Bail or stay on course or take evasive action. You don't need to communicate with a center to decide these. The only case where communication with the command is when the mission is canceled for whatever reason. All else is pretty much procedure for the human pilot too.
>>30608377
So the argument that says you can evade a missile if it's almost out of range is not really valid because you don't get the range information all the time. At this point I don't think any air force would advise its pilots to try to evade missiles. Which makes me think that all this stealth stuff may actually be important.
>>30603573
Nautical Miles is used for aircraft navigation worldwide. Outside China and Russia, anyway.
>>30605586
Because developing for Gripen was probably the easiest, as well as SAAB having access to the best testing range.
>>30607227
Probably sooner than that.
P2E upgrades to integrate Meteor & Storm Shadow have been brought forward. We're expected to begin upgrades later this year
t. Typhoon Avionics engineer.
>>30610018
Also Typhoon is getting the Spear 3 missile possibly from 2018.
Meh.
Tell me when America has Brimstone to go with its Hellfire.
>>30610082
It depends if the RAF/RN decide to put it on the F-35, which at the moment doesn't appear to be a priority.
The only thing they are likely to stick on it is the Meteor. Hell they're putting Brimstones are Reapers and Apaches after Typhoon.
>>30610114
on reapers I should say.
>>30604744
The future of the High-Low mix is extremely capable and stealthy drone control platforms acting as mini-AWACS, while cheap drones go to the merge and tie down enemy assets.
>>30610082
SDB II and JAGM
>>30607381
You are now aware that DCS compresses missile range by up to a factor of 4
where is it made ?
>>30607381
Why didn't blue fire more missiles?
Pretty advanced looking intakes ... the aerodynamicists must have been shitting their pants over the initial designs
>>30610333
[citation needed]
Unless you think they turned the AIM-120C into a WVR weapon
>>30603298
At medium & long range, yes.
Will the Brits be integrating Meteor into their F-35B's? I hope so, that combo would be beastly.
>>30610860
Yes we've been shilling for it to be on the next software block for a while.
>>30608518
Stealth is like invincibility currently.
Noone has anything that can see these stealth planes in the air.
>>30611329
Please stop posting.
How helpful will this be when Putin's goons invade Gotland?
>>30608333
You don't need link to drone anymore, meatbags near controls would only hurt performance of air dominance fighter:
http://magazine.uc.edu/editors_picks/recent_features/alpha.html
Humans are done.
>>30611689
Like many other people have said, the performance of an "AI" within a simulator isn't something you should hold an amazing amount of stock in.
>>30611384
Where am I wrong? thanks.
>>30611821
Everything you said.
>>30611689
>>30611754
It also doesn't address the points I made. AI is going to be a huge part of future aircraft and will replace many tasks pilots currently do now (probably dogfighting included). It won't completely get rid of pilots though. What the US and many other nations (Sweden, Russia, etc) are looking at is having pilots direct multiple aircraft at once. So, you one manned plane with a few slave planes and the pilot is giving meta level instructions. There are latency, bandwidth, jamming, and AI hurdles that are too large to get rid of pilots completely any time soon.
>>30611833
So what does anyone have that can spot a stealth fighter?
>>30611754
I prefer another wording: the performance of an human isn't something you should hold an amazing amount of stock in.
>>30611852
>There are latency, bandwidth, jamming, and AI hurdles that are too large to get rid of pilots completely any time soon.
It could be done today
It's just pointless because planes are not limited by having a pilot in them
>>30611861
Stealth isn't an on/off switch, it is a reduction in the distance you can get a meaningful radar return.
>>30611900
In what way does that contradict what I said?
>>30611861
Well for one, VHF / OTH radars are still uneffected, and VLO/LO aircraft are still detectable by X-band radars. Its not invisibility or undetectability.
Just means that rather than at, say 120km, they are detected at 80km. 4th generation fighters can detect the F-35 / F-22. Its just that at that point, they are probably already fucked.
>>30611998
>Just means that rather than at, say 120km, they are detected at 80km.
?
More like rather than 120km, they are still undetected at 5 km, and you are now a ball of flaming wreckage since you never even knew you were being fired at.
>4th generation fighters can detect the F-35 / F-22
Except we know they cannot without luneberg lens.
>>30612020
>More like rather than 120km, they are still undetected at 5 km
You're delusional.
>Except we know they cannot without luneberg lens.
Do "we" know? Because thats bullshit, anon.
>>30603267
Doesn't the Meteor not fit in the internal weapons bays of the F-35? That pretty significantly limits its use as a day 1 weapon.
>>30612039
are you chinese or russian?
>>30612041
Nevermind, its dimension are the same as the AIM-120.
>>30612068
No, I'm just not a moron that thinks stealth renders an aircraft invisible, despite not even Lockheed saying it doesn't.
>>30612136
Not even Lockheed saying it does*, rather.
>>30603298
Stop samefagging, Sven.
>>30612136
The stealth on the F-35 makes the plane literally invisible to all other airborne radars in existance, and all mobile ground based radars
Long wavelength radars as an anti-stealth measure is just a meme
IRST spotting stealth planes is just a meme
As it currently is today, a 5th gen plane like the F-35 will go 1000 kills to 0 losses against any 4th or 4.5th gen plane.
>>30612184
Okay.
>>30611887
No, it couldn't.
Source: me, I'm a computer engineer.
>>30611936
Anything can spot a stealth aircraft, depending on the distance, so your phrasing implies you think it works like a Romulan cloaking device.
>>30612707
"depending on the distance" is code for "Come knife fight with us americanski, stealth is cheat"
>>30607381
>maximum range
>20 miles
>>30611872
Like the humans programming the AI?
>>30603267
Why are the Swedes so good at making weapons?
>>30603687
>>30603714
MMM when?
>>30613171
>Meteor
>Swedish
>>30613192
Macross?
>>30613171
The Meteor missile is a multi nationally developed weapon.
But the Poms were the main developers behind it.
The Swedes put it into service first because Gripen certification is easy as fuck.
>>30607563
Oh it's this guy again believing the MICA has a 20km range.
Please go back to keypub to get bullied with other anglo scum by people with actual knowledge and a carrier in the military industrial complex.
>>30610660
No. The intakes and internal co,mbustion chamber were designed by the same french engineers who worked on the ASMP and ASMP-A nuclear missiles. pic related.
The seeker is a derivative from the MICA's AD4 Doppler, just like on the ASTER/PAAMS SAM, developped with the help of Dassault Systems.
The powder is from a german company, can't recall which one, it has the particularity to not contain aluminium, thus making the missile trail VLO.
The english provided the powerpoints and took credit for everything, as always.
>>30610860
Yes, but since the missile can't fit in the internal bay, they will need a special olympics version of it with smaller fins.
Which means not only the RAF bought missiles they can't use yet and have to stockpile, but they will need another version of it which won't be ready before long for their F-35's B.
slowclap.webm
>>30613605
>The Meteor missile is a multi nationally developed weapon.
But the Poms were the main developers behind it.
See>>30613896
>The english provided the powerpoints and took credit for everything, as always.
Thanks for proving my point.
OH SUMMER, WILL YOU END ALREADY ?
>>30613959
So you're saying the Brits developed it?
No need to be redundant.
>>30607381
>People think this webm is valid.
>>30607381
Literally "muh scenario stands".
Kill yourself.
>>30612184
I feel that some proof posting is in order.
How does the F-35 remain undetected by L-band and VHF radars when it's not even advertised to have that feature?
Even if the F-35 has a RCS of 0.001 m2 it can still be detected at some distance by X-band radars. It's much stealthier than a regular plane but by no means undetectable.
>>30613928
They should be able to fit them on the same station that fits the bombs.
>>30613750
>MICA
50km is by no means beyond visual range. As it stands, the Rafale does not have a long range missile.
>>30603267
When do we expect the Eurofighter and Rafale to get their Meteors?
>>30613928
>Yes, but since the missile can't fit in the internal bay, they will need a special olympics version of it with smaller fins.
Stop spreading this shitty meme. It fits in the bay.
>>30615930
Its a meme because the detection is no where near the size for targeting, and these systems are very, very large and at best, semi mobile.
>>30605104
get the fuck out off eu already you muslim cocksuckers
>>30617180
You can still be detected and thus get fighters directed towards you. Stealth does not render you immune towards X-band and targeting radar, it reduces detection range. Stealth is a great advantage, not god mode.
>>30617230
Well yeah, you get close enough anything will detect you.
The problem is this is normally well within visual range (for fighters).
If a bogey is on you, and you just figure it out WVR, you are toast. Worse when you realize that VLO fighters wont engage you from the front.
>>30616131
Different anon here; technically it is BVR, but only barely. BVR is generally defined as >15nmi or >20nmi.
>>30614118
Is that why the French are receiving a retarded version?
>>30616724
Eurofighter from the end of this year onwards.
Looks like the British and Japanese signed up to work on missile seeker technology a while back.
http://www.janes.com/article/57196/japan-reveals-details-of-joint-missile-project-with-uk
>>30603573
Kek
>>30617576
You what? There's only one missile variant.
It'll be the same for the Poms, Frogs, and IKEAs.
Everyone is receiving it after the Swedes because the Gripen was certified to use it first.
>>30617593
Nope.
The Rafale is receiving a one way data link version because it can't support a two way data link model unlike Gripen and Typhoon.
>>30617602
Source?
Sounds like bullshit.
>>30617619
The Rafale was designed with the MICA in mind which only allows for one way data link capability.
I can't speak for why it was never thought of but it's well documented that the Rafale will not be able to operate the Meteor with a two way data link.
I'm on my phone now but I'll find it when k get home.
>>30610860
>Will the Brits be integrating Meteor into their F-35B's? I hope so, that combo would be beastly.
Yeah Mafia Martin is making a newer fuselage and weapons bay for the fatty 35,so expect some delay,problems and a price increase
>>30613284
Macross Missile Massacre
>>30617630
Is this taking into account the F3R standard?
This might sound credible back in 2011 with the F1 standard.
>>30617558
Operationally its going to be falling out of the sky at that range and not able to hit anything other than a straight-line target that hasn't manoeuvred at all.
>>30617668
Even those have one-way datalinks.
>>30617230
>Stealth is a great advantage, not god mode.
If they can't see you on their X-band radars, if they can't target you. Which existing 4th or 4.5 gen aircraft cannot
Then yes, it is god mode
These long bandwidth radars suck, they use them because they are desperate, not because they work well.
>>30617710
The question is how far out stealth works for the F-22/F-35. Burgers would claim 5km while chinks and vatniks claim that they can target a F-35 at 250km. Who is right?
>>30617826
5km is ridiculous, nobody who knows anything is claiming that. 250km is equally in the land of fantasy.
As for exact ranges, that entirely depends on the radar itself.
>>30603687
LEWD!
>>30604744
I am very skeptical about unnamed aircraft being used in a fighter role, major nations all have very respectable Ewarfare capabilities and I can see nations betting the farm on drones getting stomped when their drones comms + guided nav systems all get put offline.
>>30617860
how is 5km ridiculous
if anything its less than that
>>30618059
kys
>£1,000,000 unit cost
damn son better hope you don't miss
>>30618097
AIM-120Ds are ~$1.8m/unit
>>30618097
All missiles are fucking expensive.
Much cheaper then planes though.
>>30618107
120Ds most likely have a compareable NEZ, but are a very mature missle.
I will expect the metor to only improve.
>>30618031
Do you realize an aircraft with AI will be able to navigate on its own like a human right? They can have onboard inertial guidance, maps, constellation sensor, and etc. It'll be far superior to a human because humans can get lost and confused.
>>30618142
its just fat defense contractors charging excessive prices
No reason they should cost anything over 100k
>>30618148
>120Ds most likely have a compareable NEZ
They really don't, by nature.
>>30618180
Wew lad.
Head of BAE Systems says FCAS isn't really a fighter and they'll be at least another manned air superiority platform next generation.
https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/interview-bae-systems-ceo-ready-for-farnborough-sho-427049/
>>30618191
Ever seen the insides of one of these missiles? It's very spartan
No reason they should be so expensive.
>>30618190
They really do, due to how the missle tajectory is and the total range.
60 km is about 1/3rd the total range of the 120D, and 60km is the NEZ of the metor (which has a smaller total range).
Keep in mind you are compareing a very mature missle, to a missle in its infincy. The metor will only improve, while the 120D represents just about as far as it will improve without a radical design change to the propulsion
Oh lord, imagine an F-15 with an all Meteor lay out.
Down Chinese fighters, down Chinese fighters everywhere.
>>30613192
>>30617643
Itano circus you fucking pleb.
>>30618214
The whole 60km NEZ / 100km range is based on pretty flimsy evidence.
Its been said to be in excess of 300km before.
>>30618220
muh dick
>>30618157
Sure champ.
Realtime pattern recogination and dealing with conflicting information always works so well. Inertial nav systems are shithouse btw, its a fundementally flawed tech, you need external updates to mantain accuracy and if your links are getting the shit jammed out of them then good luck with that.
As far as star charts are your missions all going to be run on nice clear nights with no cloud coverage above your flight altitude?
Nav is just one potential problem.
Are you going to have autonomous drones with shoot/noshoot decision making capability? How are you going to do freind/foe ident, what if that gets jammed will your drones start blowing each other out of the sky.
Against a sophiscated enemy drones are going to get wrecked. They are great for sitting above a towelhead city all day but when faced with a real opponent they are going to get wrecked.
>>30618312
All of what you listed applies to a human as well. There have been cases of friendly fire in the fog of war. There have been cases of humans being blinded in a jammed environment and straying or getting shot down. Actually a human would fare far worse in a denial zone because of stress and confusion. An AI has none of the physical shortcomings and all of the precision of computers. It knows exactly where to go and what to do without breaking a literal sweat.
>>30618247
>300km
Which is also pretty flimsy.
You would think that, being an export missle, they would release some rudimentary specs.
Based upon the citeable information however, my points remain fair.
>>30611538
pretty useful given the ruskis have fuck all in the way of a navy.
Like I legitimately doubt russia currently has enough water-tight bathtubs to float their soldiers across the water at this point.
>>30607381
If one of those missiles had depositted a little chaff in their wake it'd have #reckd the other missile.
>>30617668
Yes. The Rafale was good to begin with, but it's slowly becoming the bad choice of the three Euro triangles.
If you want cheap and reliable with capability you go Gripen.
Spend a bit more to get a few extras and more bells and whistles and get Typhoon.
You only buy Rafale for naval capability.
>>30618438
>fair
I would err on the side that a boosted ramjet missile is going to outrange one that is only powered by a booster for a few seconds.
>>30618575
Again, i would argue an extremely mature missle would perform simular to a missle in its developmental infancy, especially when the stated capabilities mesh to agree with that.
>>30603267
Holy shit, this thing is a MONSTER. Flankers are gonna get btfo once this thing is fully integrated with France and UK's Air Force.
>>30618438
They do, just not in ways that /k/ is going to be able to dive into.
>>30607381
Oh fuck, is this a game, what is it, and do I need be a complete autist to play
>>30618813
Tacview in DCS:World.
>>30618902
>DCS
Full autism needed in other words,
>>30618220
>f-15
>still relevant
>>30618312
So a computer can't navigate using radar & visual & a stored database of landmarks/maps
But a person can?
>Nav is just one potential problem.
It's not a problem at all
Why would a drone have any different ROE as a human pilot?
Why is a computer incapable of identifying targets via sensors/visual data?
>>30623540
China, please.
>>30623540
The F-15 is better than any other plane the US has ever fielded
It's a remnant of when the US was actually great
>>30608429
>NM is a world standard in navigation.
So are meters and kilometers.
Their is no reason other than tradition to keep using nautical miles.
>>30625839
I hear it's actually better for maritime because it hooks up nicely with longitude and latitude stuff.
>>30625855
>I hear it's actually better for maritime because it hooks up nicely with longitude and latitude stuff.
No longer it's been rounded down to a full meter and is only close to 1/60th of the distance between two lines of latitude.
Also no one needs or cares about how close it is to the distance between lines of latitude after the advent of the side rule let alone the electronic calculator.
>>30625757
The F-35 is better than any other plane the US has ever fielded
It's an example of why the US is still great
>>30627099
It's really not. All it has going for it is combat information integration.
>>30603573
Beat me to it.
>>30611887
I'm one of those /k/ lurkers who wishes he had a broader knowledge of heavy weapons and ESPECIALLY a lot more knowledge about airpower but even I know what you just typed is fucking retarded beyond belief
>Planes aren't limited by having a human pilot
-Of course they are you fucking dolt. Maximum g pulls are restricted
- Weapons space is restricted
- Vulnerability to radiological and chemical weapons is a restriction
- readiness time is restricted
- networked learning is restricted
- Handling multiple 3 dimensionally occuring threats is restricted by the human ability to process data in a dogfight
- You have to pay these fighter jocks, you dont have to pay a computer fucking anything.
You will, most likely, still require some human controllers in lead aircraft for directing CAS ground pounding...I'm pretty sure automated platforms consistently have a hard time working out "is that a tank?" but have no problem at all thinking
*bzt flying thing
*bzt flying thing does not respond to transponder code
*bzt flying thing must die.
>>30627260
Which is half the battle.
Also great stealth and sensors.
>>30629505
G limitations are inherent to the airframe. With stores, most aircraft don't want to pull 9Gs, let alone higher. F-16s can be reduced to half that as a hard limit.
You start pulling 20Gs and you're going to have an airframe that lasts tens of hours, not thousands.
Weapons space is a completely random point that I have no idea why you brought up.
>>30605351
What a beautiful day to be NATO
>>30627099
The US is not great anymore
>>30627260
>it is really not, that is why it completely BTFO the F-15
