Steel body armor
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I know steel plates spall and cause risk of bullet fragments, but could that be mitigated by covering the front with multiple layers of something like duct tape?
>>30558754
how about multiple layers of plastic on the plate and the fabric of your carrier?
>>30558767
Would that help? i was thinking of getting a steel plate cuz its cheaper than ceramic but im wary of the problem of spalling. I know ar500 has some coating they could put on it but im not sure how effective it is or how much is needed
>>30558754
Wouldn't a flak jacket solve that issue? Or maybe a kevlar armor over it?
I don't know shit about body armor so excuse my stupidity since they aren't allowed here.
>>30558796
if your getting shot then some minor scratches and cuts from spalling is probably not going to be a concern
also your not going to get shot
>Steel plates
One word, M855. Enjoy getting BTFO'd by surplus steel core ammo that was specifically designed to penetrate steel body armor
If you really value your life, there is no substitute to ceramic plates.
>>30558806
Spartan armor among others has anti spalling rubber on the front surface. Watch Iraq veteran 8888 on YouTube for some info
>>30558796
How about don't buy from AR500 because they have a recall spanning multiple months production of plates? They're fucking hot garbage.
>>30558767
You could test it.... then make a YouTube video of it and get some of that in Internet cash.
>>30558754
The normal AR500 coating holds up fine. Then there is double and I think even triple layering of that coating. Check tests of that stuff, it's no issue. Weight is a whole other ballgame however. Good ceramics aren't that expensive anymore, I think AR500 also came out with its own line of ceramic/poly level IV stuff. Oh, also duct tape and any other DIY method short of applying the same sturdy industrial coating to it will fly right off. It has been tried often enough.
>>30558796
Saving on something that is supposed is stupid. Don't be stupid.
>>30558806
Yes, Kevlar around it would, in front of it not so much, as the spalling flies off to the sides. It may change the overall impact behavior and thus the spalling too, I assume. Depends on what you shoot at it.
>>30558821
That is wrong. Having metal shrapnels fly into your face at significant speeds and temperature can fuck up your face and throat, which can pose a life threatening condition.
>>30558829
AR500 vs. M855. Nuff said: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NC176Sx6JuA
>>30558806 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mOltPG8PpAA&index=141&list=LLgkJWIVeqRTLN_PhHbCrucA
>/k/ is a board devoted to weapons and military equipment
>does not know what /k/ is about
To answer your question OP no duct tape would keep the coating from peeling off after 5 or so rounds. Buy patriot armor since there coating won't melt off after extensive rounds and will actually hold the spalling. IMHO the most non pleb steel plates out there
>>30558873
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_604Uw8oUrY
Spall test
>>30558902
That motherfucking muzzle flash. Shit.
>>30558871
you are not nor have you ever been shot at
>>30558910
You are correct. Now which of my statements does that invalidate?
>>30558821
>also your not going to get shot
famous last words
>>30558871
I heard ceramics have a shorter life span and can easily break by getting dropped etc. is that true
>>30558918
all of them
>>30558754
Just wear knigga armour nigga.
>>30558921
Well, that depends on their quality. Ceramic armor has come a long way ever since it was first created, industrial production has improved and thus it becomes cheaper. As ceramics is very hard, it is also brittle, which makes it prone to break if you drop it long distances on something hard. It has "handle with care" written on it, so do that and you're fine.
The life span basically is how many hits it can take before penetration occurs. Steel has the same issue, if a spot is hit twice it will likely fail due to material degradation. Ceramics breaks, as already mentioned and thus a hit part of the plate will often fail to stop another round. It can take multiple hits in multiple areas though.
Ceramics is harder than steel and stops level IV, while being way lighter, often floating in water and being almost as cheap as steel nowadays. Take your pick.
>>30558927
Bring up an argument or be quiet, troll.
>>30558956
patriot armor sell a set of two level 4 stand alone plates weghing 5.5 lbs for 299.99 for a set of 2 down side is they only come in 10x12 so fit fags only http://www.patriotarmordefense.com/plates.html
>>30558982
That sounds nice, makes them about 1kg lighter than the AR500 ones, while costing about the same. I wonder what's the difference in making them.
At the theoretical level, ceramic is fundamentally superior because it redirects force into lateral microfractures instead of attempting to bounce or break rounds through plastic deformation.
That's why high-velocity rounds like M193 zip right through AR500 while ceramic stops everything.
>>30559054
if you have an 16.5 or 18 inch ar or tavor build m193 should zip right through out to 50 yards...
Which is why I went with ceramic.
>>30558919
if you're a person in a position to get shot on the regular then you're not going to come to 4chan to ask for advice on saving your life
this is all mall ninja inquiries at best
I would say the armor you have is better then the armor you dont have but were totally going to buy next spring when you had money. Id be happy with body armor rated for just hand guns right now. In a shtf scenario I'd have to fashion my own makeshift armor from what I have around the house
>>30559157
Sadly I agree if people actually gave a damn about themselves they would do there own research and study the armor industrie themselves. Takes Time & money never follow market hype with tactical products. you get a cookie if you know what this is chances are less then 300 hundred people in the tactical market do.
>>30559230
R6 Smartglasses. Give me my cookie.
https://armour-wear.com/shop/all/carriers/tpg-armour-wear-package/
There you go. Two multi-curve level 4 standalone ceramic plates for $250 total, and includes a free throwaway slick plate carrier. You have no excuse to not get ceramics.
>>30559280
That company has the same style as 5.11 - are they related?
>>30559276
Damn people are more competent then I expected fine heres your god damn cookie
>>30559337
Thanks *nom*. Your name Harry by any chance?
>>30559158
>In a shtf scenario I'd have to fashion my own makeshift armor from what I have around the house
I look forward to seeing my fellow /k/omrades in full shtf armor
>>30559342
for this thread only I will be designated as "harry"
>>30559368
That a no? Simon would have been my next and last guess lol.
>>30559356
Ive seen some videos on using phone books, and regular bathroom floor tiles and various stuff like that that I could find in my garage. May look stupid buy if it stops a bullet ill take it
>>30559356
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3N_I2V_rgdo&list=PLA72E87D5D17470DD&index=12
Even the depressing music adds to it and its funnyier becuase its shit soft!
This is the best way to sum that picture up
>>30559460
Best poorfag loadout ever with that 249.99 vest and plates underneath that and you're good to go for 300 usd.
>>30558829
lol you think just because you stick a steel core in your shit round it makes it more lethal?
That extra 8gr slows it down enough to where it can't penetrate steel while M193 can out of a long enough barrel.
>>30559519
velocity kills armor
>>30558754
https://www.survival-bug-out.com/pages/why-ar-500-body-armor-isn-t-a-good-deal
>>30559533
Velocity kills steel.
UHMWPE stops high-velocity fine. It's vulnerable to penetrator cores tho.
Only ceramic stops everything.
WHAT IF it is only people with pistol caliber weapons and shotguns with, say, slugs?
Steel plates can take those, right?
>>30559687
>Only ceramic stops everything.
once
>>30559693
Slugs do a pretty good job against body armor.
>>30559673
>In fact, there is another Ar500 "testing" video out there where they place the AR500 plate in a wood framed target box and shoot it several times
Citation needed. I do not disagree, line-X is used in other applications originally, but why does such a qualified person not take a fucking minute to find that very video he uses as a source? Not linking your sources and giving such a statement is unscientific and not up to his level.
>>30558844
I'm involved, my plates are worthless and they already send replacements out to the wrong address, which went all the way back. They gave me consumer credit like we exchanged, when they just got their good plates back and I still have the shit plates.
I emailed them about it but apparently I need to call or something.
This might be a good thread to ask. I was looking at getting a chest rig for 2/3 gun and general sport shooting, and thought I may as well just get a PC instead.
Then I saw this 4th of July deal at AR500, and found it pretty tempting.
Good deal or not? I know Condor stuff has a pretty shit reputation for it's poor build quality, but I'm more than able to reinforce and adjust any shit stitching.
http://www.ar500armor.com/sentry-plate-carrier-w-armor-and-pouches.html#.V4E_XPkrJhE
>>30560220
AR500 has the warrior PC which is good.
Seperating PC and chestrig/vest allows you to wear one or the other, or both.
>>30559717
I'll take the ability to take a .338 lm hit once over the first shot of m855a1 going through and killing me.
>>30560638
sums this up pretty much
>>30558754
Ar500 only spalls enough to be a problem if you take several large caliber projectiles to the plate. You should be more worried about finding cover or getting hit in non-protected areas then getting minor scratches from fragments.
Since the thread is up anyway
What does /k/ think about adding a III ICW polyethylene plate to a IIIa soft vest?
It seems like a good balance of weight, bulk, and protection - the soft vest covers more of your sides, chest, and back than any plate could, and gives protection against shotguns and pistol calibers. The III ICW plate covers most rifle rounds save for M855 and AP shit on the chest with the vest backing it, and all together it weighs less than ceramic or steel plates would on their own
>>30561893
How much does the level 3 ICW weigh if under 4 lbs GTG. If its 5 lbs go to link specified above and spend 300 on the stand alone lvl 4 2 pairs of plates from patriot armory that's the best 5.5 lbs you'll ever buy same weight as esapis
Would this plate bought off some Russian ebay seller actually offer protection? I'm not even sure what it is made out of but it fits 6B23 vests.
>>30561938
Something like 3.2lb for a single 10x12 shooter cut poly plate in front
Another 5lb for a IIIa soft vest that wraps around your sides
>>30560066
Sorry for you bro. Good luck getting them to take care of you.
>>30561893
Stopping M855 should be a requirement for CONUS use in my opinion. That shit's relatively cheap, and has the mystique of being "military steel tip penetrator" ammo which causes Jamal and Enrico to buy it.
>>30562203
Enrico and Jamal, the rare occasion they upgrade from Tec 9s and hipoints, seem to mostly have affinity for kalashes
I think the m855 threat is a bit overblown. Most people get whatever American eagle or federal is cheap at the store, especially when they're straw buying it for Jamal.
You'd probably regret it if you had sovereign citizens wanting to ventilate you, though.
>>30562346
It's just so available. Considering it only costs a few more cents than regular ass ball, I think it's a real threat. Also remember that many cartel gunmen roll with ARs. I saw a pic of a cartel gun that was a LMT MWS .308, with a nice scope (can't remember if it was a Nightforce or something else). Can't find the pic anymore but I was jealous.
For patrol, I think IIIa soft armor, with a throw on special threat ICW plate is a nice combo. Something like the Protech X-Cal plate or the Velocity Systems Special Threat ICW plate. Of course you have to remember that the armor is tested with the plates right up against the soft armor, so if there is a standoff between the two (pens in chest pockets, badges, etc.) the armor may not perform to the standard they are tested to.
>>30558754
demo ranch tested it for that, and it does a great job, up to a point though of course
>>30561998
Did you buy it already?
I've got the same stuff we got issued in the corps, with the same plate carrier, rated at 7.62 protection,
any experience thoughts with this
http://www.nij.gov/topics/technology/body-armor/pages/compliant-ballistic-armor.aspx
Check to make sure what you are buying is actually certified. Armour Wear shills constantly push their cheap ceramics on /k. No reason not to get certified gear if you are going to spend the money.
>>30561998
They're protective but they don't fit into normal carriers, level 5 gost or something, good stuff.
>>30561893
Not bad; but M855 is so common I'd either get a poly/ceramic hybrid standalone in a plate carrier; or go pure soft vest.
IIIa is common because it's the highest standard; but honestly IIa stops 95% of the same ammo [just not SMG-fired rounds or souped up .44 mag etc] and is half the thickness and weight. It's much more comfortable, and easier to conceal.
>>30559103
why dont they just make combo/hybrid plates with steel and a layer of ceramic below it
>>30563289
Some do. I think Tencate has some.
>>30563289
Because ceramic on the front/polethylene underneath is better.
>>30562831
No
>>30563169
I already have a 6B23 vest so its a pretty good find
>>30559727
No they dont.
>>30563076
So are their plates not to be trusted?
>>30563624
does it have kevlar?
>>30564411
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mmy2ywMl5iI
>>30558844
>have one bad run
>suddenly whole product line is garbage
Its a shame that there are already so many people with the same stupid ass logic as you. Thank God there aren't any more because there isn't a company under the sun that wouldn't have to change it's name at least once
>>30558927
Do you normally make arguments based on how you feel about the subject and what you feel to be correct?
>>30559157
>you're not going to come to 4chan to ask for advice
Unless you already browse 4chan more than anything else and are aware of the military presence that we have/have had as well as people that have already done a lot of work as far as looking into the subject and can point on in a decent direction. 4chan is just another stop along the way.
While you're at it you can stop acting like the average 11b somehow gained massive amounts of knowledge just because they were issued some gear since you can often enough pick one at random and argue with them about any given subject withing their profession
>>30558754
No, you need active protection system. You need to put charges behind the steel plate and a 60GHz radar on your helmet so that when a bullet is approaching charge can explode, create steel shrapnel and change the course of the bullet.
>>30564827
just make your armor out of mirrors so the bullets bounce back
>>30559727
They're able to be stopped by IIIA Kevlar, dumbass.
