Looks like the Chinese are stirring up shit again in the East China Sea over the Senkaku Islands.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-36710808
I wonder what actually happened.
"the Chinese jets responded decisively"
Translation= went the fuck home.
Japs got outmaneuvered and fled
>>30497290
over in another thread
>>30508338
is a retarded weab faggot
>>30508338
japs got cocky and were rekt.
they are so ensured of their suppossed 'training advantage' that they were blind to the increasing profeasionalism of the Chinese pilots.
>>30508159
Japs intercepted Chinese Su-30, preparing to fire tracer rounds to scare them off.
Chinese pulled some manoeuvers and got onto the Japanese's six instead, prompting them to launch decoys and flee.
>>30508617
More like they went full retard with getting into gun range of much more maneuverable fighters.
F-15's were forbidden from dog fighting even Mig-29's. In real war you just fuck them up with long range missiles.
>>30508634
The F-15's been outmatched in maneuverability for a while now, and I concur with this anon. It sounds like the Japanese pilots put themselves into a fatal position for the F-15 against the SU-30.
>>30508641
>F-15's been outmatched in maneuverability for a while now
They always were. They were never designed for dogfighting.
Japanese article claim that the F-15s began the encouter by trying to move into the Sukhoi's six to fire a "tracer warning"
>スクランブルをかけた空自機は中国機の周囲を大きく回り込み、後方から真横につけるポジショニングを試みた。中国機パイロットの顔が見える位置から信号射撃などを行い、退去を呼びかけるためだ。
In the Chinese MOD release, the situation was claimed as Japanese F-15 moved in and tried to lock onto the MKKs.
>日两架F—15战机高速逼近挑衅,甚至开启火控雷达对我照射.
Then the dogfight began and the end result was confirmed by both side.
>空自機は不測の事態を避けるため同空域からの離脱を図ったが、中国機はこれを追尾。空自機は敵機のレーダー誘導ミサイ ルなどを撹(かく)乱(らん)する装置を噴射しながら危機を脱した。
>日机投放红外干扰弹后逃逸
Su-30s turned and ended up on F-15s' six. Both F-15Js dumped flares to disengage.
>>30508159
>I wonder what actually happened.
nobody know how it will start, but we all know it will end with giant robots and PTSD little girl pilots
>>30508649
Gundums are already outdated dude.
>>30508653
>/k/ designs giant robots
>or mobile armed buildings
>or whatever those things were supposed to be
>Jesus
>>30508630
Impressive.
Yet another evidence of superior Chinese skill and fighting spirit. People's Liberation Army Air Force is truly unmatched and feared throughout the world.
>>30508702
>People's Liberation Army Air Force is truly unmatched and feared throughout the world.
>this is what chinanons believe
Chinese propaganda
Everyone knows F-15s kill Su-30MKs so hard. That Red Flag guy said so.
>>30508716
F-15 is a better plane. But not for a gun range dogfight. Actually, it's almost helpless in those.
It's like trying to dogfight Zeros in a Hellcat.
>>30508702
Look, I love my chink tech (Xiaomi, thinkpad and norinco SKS clone) to pirces but even I wouldn't shill this hard
>>30508721
>It's like trying to dogfight Zeros in a Hellcat.
>>30508647
>"tracer warning"
Jesus Christ that's retarded. How dumb do you have to be to (try to) start firing bullets? Even the Bear interceptions were never this reckless. What the fuck were they expecting to happen?
>>30508721
>F-15 is a better plane
>except for the capability that essentially matters
>>30508605
>Japs got outmaneuvered and fled
>Japanese article claim that the F-15s began the encouter by trying to move into the Sukhoi's six to fire a "tracer warning"
Japs had lock on first according to your posts. China would have been blown the fuck out if the Japanese didn't act with restraint.
>>30508759
Dogfights matter shit. They already didn't matter by the end of WW2.
That's why all late fighters were fast and climbed well, but couldn't turn for shit.
Now with stuff like Aim-9X around they are literally worthless.
Go and look when the last air gun kill happened.
>>30508759
>except for the capability that essentially matters
The capability to do gunfights matters? Again, the Japanese knew exactly where Chinese fighters were and could have shot them down with a2a missiles. The whole "dogfight" happened because Japs didn't want to start a war.
>>30508818
Chinese never even expected the Japanese to even pull this off. You know, it isnt SOP for interceptions to fire tracers as warning right off the bat.
Isnt the Su-30MKK a fighter bomber?
Looking back, the PLAAF usually equip them with Kh-29 and Kh-31 for strike missions, barely for A2A
>>30508716
F-15E or K maybe.
But F-15Js are inferior in every spec to the Su-30MKK - BVR, WVR, you name it.
>>30508922
That's not even the point. You do not usually do not shoot someone down during interception. It is rather that both side's planes fly side-by-side and tell each other to fuck off verbally.
That 'flying to someone's six and trying to tracer-shoot him away' is what is completely retarded.
This shit possibly happened because the Japanese read too much David Axe and still believed that Chinese pilots fly less than 10 hours a year and cant do combat excercises without Ground Control etc. Or that their training consists of nothing but political indoctrination.
They basically were like most of /k/, and completely ignored the fact that the Chinese have been training hard and racking up their own Red Flag Excercises for at least a decade, now flying more flight hours per year than the average NATO pilot even.
>>30509147
http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/366872/us-air-force-pilots-fly-less-chinas-do-michael-auslin
>U.S. Air Force Pilots Fly Less than China’s Do
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mJbkMxuVbPM
This is probably what happened
>>30509125
Cute joke.
Nips have AESA. Much better electronics. Much better missiles.
>>30509191
The F-15J doesnt have AESA. Most of them do not even have anything better than AIM-7.
>>30508159
Attention all Jap F-15 drivers: ram the Chinks.
What happened to the honorable kamikaze spirit?
>>30508662
>mobile armed buildings.
I like how that sounds.
>>30509525
The frequency of use of that method has been adjusted to be more in line with the results it was providing.
China puts planes near Senakakus.
>Japan sends Eagles
China is like "this is oul ailspace".
>Japan lights them up with fire control radar
China runs home and then cries like a butthurt fag.
Unlike poorer nations in the South China Sea. Japan is not going to let China just take islands from her.
china's claim only goes back to the 1970s. When oil and gas fields were discovered around the islands.
Meanwhile an okinawa family has been running a fishing business from those islands from the 19th to 21 centuries.
the USA had possession of those islands from 1945 till the 1970s. when we returned some islands and all of Okinawa prefecture back to Japanese control.
>>30509576
Kamikazes would have very effective in the Battle of Okinawa. If they had only crashed into the barely armored troop ships instead of the warships.
>>30508742
Hellcats constantly buttfucked Zeros because they could out run, out-roll, and outclimb them. Plus, they weren't made of shameful paper-rike Nippon steel.
If a Hellcat pilot was stupid enough to get in a turning match with a Zero, he'd lose. They just had so many other advantages, they never had to.
>>30509648
The Hellcat is still maneuverable at high speeds. It only starts to get dangerous for them if they bled enough speed for the Zero to take advantage of the Zero's own low speed maneuverability. There are Japanese pilots who feared the Hellcat more than the Corsair because of its nimbleness.
>>30509606
That was actually a concern for an invasion of Japan. US Intel intercepted Japanese requests for pictures of troop transport for suicide planes.
>>30509597
You have it like the other way around.
Japan were the one's who turned tail when their attempt at being cocky didnt work out so great.
>>30509540
>mobile armed building
>mab, for short
Darpa will try to build one at some point
>>30508159
Japan, is time to unleash the mobile diver
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vqbEsiOnoYs
>>30508708
>>30508723
Are you two pretending to be retarded? It's the same shitposter that always uses "impressive" and then makes a false flag post.
>>30509540
>>30510083
no one will throw planes at your buildings if they are MOBILE AND HEAVILY ARMED!
MURICA!
LETS START WITH THE EMPIRE STATE BUILDING!
Chinese Flanker pilots are quite the hotshots.
>>30508644
stupidist thing i read all day
I swear, we're gonna be seeing some Ace Combat shenanigans in this region at some point.
>>30509911
B-But muh Ace Combat!
>>30512270
Did the Chinese pilot flip them the bird?
I bet he did and the state department are keeping the pictures classified
>>30512625
>that picture
kek.
>>30508702
You're working hard for that promotion. Gotta get back at it harder now since India is vying for your number two spot in the GDP list huh?
>>30513024
Christ satire is just lost on you people
>>30512270
>>30512625
>>30509198
>what is the F-15J kai
Sure, they have like 50 of them, but still.
>>30508644
Damn Fool is Damn Fool.
>>30512270
Naval Aviation jocks are always more brazen, no matter the country they serve.
Pic: J-11BH Flanker of the PLA Navy Airforce flying a few meters over water.
>>30508159
Chinese pilots essentially BTFO Japanese pilots that tried tracing them.
Japanese started it for once.
>>30508708
>>30508723
>>30513024
>newfags taking the bait
>>30508818
Yeah because normally you don't let pilots start wars.
Firing the first shot is easy.
>>30509597
Did you even read the story?
The Japanese got lit up, dumped flares, and fled.
>>30512270
How is this even proof?
>>30513151
It's stated that the F-15's that made this intercept at F-15J's, which are inferior to even the oldest F-15C's in US service.
>>30514286
Those are pictures of Chinese J-11 pilots hoping to cause another intelligence coup by "accidentally" ramming a P-8 and forcing it to land in china.
>>30512270
>they want to be american so bad they re enacted Top Gun
USA USA USA
>>30514270
Did you?
Japs lit up the chinks, dumped flares, and then left.
>>30515562
you forgot the part where they got locked on and then dumped flares
>>30515589
The chinese never claimed to light up the japs with their FCR, they claim the opposite.
Dumping flares on disengage is normal, if you even slightly expect reprisal, which being the japs tagged the chinks, it would be logical.
>>30515609
Chinese claimed that they haev conducted combat maneuverings and chased the F-15s off, who then dumped flares and fled.
>>30515671
That does not perclude turning on your FCS.
Its the difference is doing breach and clears with chalk rounds against opfor, and doing breach and clears with live rounds, safety off against opfor.
Tangleing is one step in the escalation process. Kicking on your FCR is absolute last step.
>>30515763
>That does not perclude turning on your FCS*.
FCR*
>>30508892
To be fair when was the last war where there was contested air suppiority?
