Convince me to buy a 1911 for home defense and not a high capacity 9mm.
>>30501922
Ergonomics and .45 super
Also 8+1 is totally sufficient.
Use a longarm instead.
>>30501939
>muh fuddy five
>>30501922
Why?
Most high cap 9mms are better than most 1911s for practical use.
Also, why settle for 9mm? Why not take the high cap+low recoil a step further and get 5.7x28mm? 60% the recoil of 9mm, but with the same energy and ballistics.
>>30502006
Expensive round.
If you have the luxury of being at home just use a shotgun
>>30502006
>this bullshit again
>>30502033
Not much more than 9mm, and cheaper than .45.
You can get it for around $18-20 per box of 50. The advantages outweigh the price disadvantage unless you are poor.
If you live in a nice area the chances of you being home invaded are slim to none. And if such an even were to happen, most invaders would flee at the sound of the first shot anyway.
>>30501922
.45acp a shit. Get a 10mm 1911.
>>30502085
This. If you're going to go 10mm, at least get a round with the energy to match that weighty frame.
![FK_BRNO_75_FK_caliber_pistol_with_shoulder_stock_folded[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/61xiR2X.jpg "FK_BRNO_75_FK_caliber_pistol_with_shoulder_stock_folded[1].jpg")
>>30502085
>>30502100
>buying a fucking meme
But I guess it's Marisa so it makes sense
Buy something that kills elk effectively faggots
>>30501922
sounds like you already made up your mind. get what you want. they both have merit. they both are successfully used all the time.
If you want a .45 why not get an HK USP?
http://armscor.com/firearms/rock-series/rock-ultra-fs-hc-10mm/
>10mm
>16 rounds
>MSRP $810
>>30502461
>twice the capacity of the old Delta Elite
>$300 less
Is Colt fucking its customers in the ass again or is there some serious QA problem with the doublestack?
>>30502502
http://dailycaller.com/2015/10/15/gun-test-rock-islands-high-cap-10mm/
not the exact 1911 posted, but its still a RIA double stack 10mm
tl;dr
>500 rounds of a mix of factory and handloads
>no malfunctions
>pic related is a 25 yard grouping
its probably Colt being overpriced honestly.
You can gran torino criminals
>>30502006
I miss when you weren't here.
>>30501922
Just get both.
Dual wield a 1911 and Glock 17. It makes no sense but it's fun.
>>30501922
The 1911 is the single best, and most successful handgun ever created. There is a reason why it was used from WW1 all the way to the modern day within certain units. It's true the highcap polymer 9mms are in style at the moment, but you will see that they will wane in popularity while the 1911 will maintain. It's classic, not flavor of the month.
Case in point, how many generations of 1911 are there? series 70, and 80. Maybe you can count the 2011 and double eagle? Meanwhile we are currently at generation 4 of the glock in less than 1/3rd the time as the 1911.
>>30501922
how about a 9mm 1911?
>>30502947
9mm 1911s are a little weird and have been known to have ejection issues. If you want a JMB-designed 9mm handgun, get a Hi-Power. If you want an improved Hi-Power that didn't have the French ruin the design with odd requirements, get a CZ75B.
>>30501944
>longarm
>indoors
>>30503059
>what are bullpups
>what are pistol-caliber carbines
>what are SBRs and SBSes
>>30502944
I disagree. The only reason it has such success is the strong aftermarket support and its famous-for-being-famous lineage. It's an antiquated design that's "good enough" and even then has all kinds of stuff wrong with it, like the grip safety. If you say that a grip safety is anything approaching a good idea, all of your opinions are immediately disregarded by anyone that knows what they're talking about because anything you'd be correct regarding is purely coincidence.
>>30501922
Alright.
The average number of shots fired for a defensive gun usage is 2 or 3.
1911 gives you 9 total, so that's triple the average.
1911s have very good triggers, allowing for better shooting rapidly and under pressure.
1911s have very nice ergonomics, and you can change out the MSH to a different style to fit your hand better.
You can also change the grips, which can also modify ergonomics.
1911s have the largest aftermarket, so you can have your gun set up exactly how you want it.
1911s have more useful modifications available. For example, you could put in an oversized firing pin stop to decrease reward slide velocity, while keeping forward velocity the same.
1911s have multiple safeties on them, so it's nearly impossible to ND when fumbling around for your handgun in the dark half-asleep and confused.
Finally, if all else fails, they're much better for pistol whipping than a polymer gun.
>>30503100
The 1911's trigger design is still one of the best ever. I prefer grip or frame safeties to slide safeties, and so does pretty much everyone who's not a diehard glockfag.
>>30503100
>It's an antiquated design
old =! antiquated
>>30503100
So what, you are going to discount the fact that it has wide aftermarket support? That is one of the biggest pros of the 1911, and is what makes it better than companies like Glock that do whatever they can to secure their IP, through routinely updating patents, to coating processes that are illegal in the US, and polymers that are proprietary and not widely available.
And for you to pretend that the grip safety is bad is hilarious. If you blend it properly it will never be a problem. In fact, maybe if other guns had them *cough glock* there would be a lesser chance of limp wristing them.
>>30502944
>hi cap polymer 9mms will wane in popularity
People like you have been saying that since 1982
>>30501922
don't do it. just get a modern pistol like Glock21
>>30503166
...and it's people like you like to say that plastic guns are the future and everything else is obsolete, yet metal guns continue to sell in massive numbers and have remained popular. You would think that in the 3 and a half decades since polymer hit the scene, that the 1911, Sigs, berettas, etc would have lost popularity at least a little. Fun fact, 6 of the top 10 most common handguns in the US are metal.
>>30503166
Well they have. Now we've got .40S&W and 10mm taking a big bite out of the market, and 10mm in particular only seems to be getting more popular as time passes.
>>30503196
...or a P229 in .357 sig.
>>30503235
I love Sig because my P226 has been flawless in every way.
I'd like to get a Sig in .45ACP actually. I'm sure .357Sig round is impressive. but I want to stay away from the lesser common calibers
>>30503273
I have such a hard on right now for the 80% P228. If I could find a new slide, and parts I would do it this week. But of course Sig controls their German space magic heavily and won't sell most parts. The only way I can get the parts I would need is through a refurbed police kit.
>>30503273
+1 for a Sig 1911. Very good gun at ~$800. The factory night sights are a big plus too. Only thing is that it will probably need a trigger job done. Like every other stock 1911 out there.
It should be an ar15 or ar pistol
>>30501922
assuming your hicap 9mm holds 14 rounds
and your 45 holds 8 rounds
some simple math here
9X5=45 so a 45 is 5 times stronger
meaning 8 45 rounds really equal 20 9mm giving you 7 more rounds to work with.
>>30503459
LOL YOU FUCKING RETARD
9mm is metric .45 is imperial
>>30503450
thread about 45 or 9mm.
>a wild AR faggot appears.
>>30501922
1)Buy a 9mm Glock.
2)Get off this shitty meme site of neckbeards and ask people who actually kill people with their guns.
>>30502077
>most invaders would flee at the sound of the first shot anyway
Why would you fire a warning shot?
I'm going to kill any fucker that knocks down my door.
>>30502006
>same energy and ballistics
No. Nah. Nope. Definitely not.
>>30503542
Where did i mention warning shots? Assuming there is more than one perp, and the fact that most people are still capable of walking or running after getting shot i'd assume he and his bros would start running when they realize they have been shot at
>>30502006
>why settle for 9mm when you can shoot .22?
What are you smoking? Send some my way.
>>30503459
My MecGar mags hold 18 rounds flush fit in my P226.
This sufferings already been done. 9mm capacity wins
>>30502073
You can get 9mm for 20 cents a round vs 30 min for 5.7
>>30503484
Cant tell if satire..
.9cm/2.54cm=.3543 ~= .357.
kill yourself.
>>30503655
>http://armscor.com/firearms/rock-series/rock-ultra-fs-hc-10mm/
>16 rounds of 10mm in a 1911
>also available as doublestack .45ACP and 9mm
Do you have any arguments that don't boil down to capacity or the characteristics of a particular chambering?
>>30501922
The STI Perfect 10 has 12+1 rounds with flush fit mags and has 22 round mags that fit it.
Its absurdly expensive of course; but 23 rounds of 10mm beats 30 rounds of 9mm from a Glock.
Plus its sexy.
>>30503752
>any arguments that don't boil down to capacity or the characteristics of a particular chambering?
The Glock 21 holds lots of rounds of .45 ACP
As does the FN.45, and the HK .45. All with superior modern platforms as opposed to a 1911
>>30503845
All the ones you listed have shitty triggers compared to the 1911.
>>30503724
ugh fucking idiots..
if you guys think .7 of an inch difference actually matters, youre wrong
read the article, then promptly kill yourself
this 9mm vs 45 meme has gone TOO FAR
>>30503866
Glock 21 has a bad trigger?
I dont like the FN45 already had one.
I have a 1911 just dont like the platform.
It shoots fine. Triggers fine. But only 6 round mags and I hate the field stripping/assembly.
Glock or Sig is way easier for me to operate and maintain
>>30503933
>gone TOO FAR
You could have stopped this.
But it already too late.
Its always too late.
>>30503940
>easier for me to operate and maintain
HAHAHA
>But only 6 round mags
What, you anticipate fighting off a pack of niglets? Most of the time one shot will send a nigger running, if it doesnt put them on their ass.
>>30503933
>no 10mm listed
>the round that was turned into .40 short & weak for being TOO POWERFUL wasn't tested
>magnum revolver cartridges weren't tested
>this is supposed to prove your point somehow
>>30501922
>neat, a qt short-haired redhead waifu, where's she from?
>mahouka, I've heard of that before...
>look it up
>it's shit
10mm.
>>30504097
The full title translates to "Irregular at Magic High School", which is actually pretty good.
>>30501922
Get a high capacity pistol in .300 blackout.
>>30504022
>talking about a bunch of rounds that aren't 9mm or .45
Reading comprehension isn't your strong suit, is it?
>>30504022
>implying it was TOO POWERFUL due to size and not the fact that it was loaded with like 2x the normal powder
Fucking die in a hole, faggot.
>>30504022
Why are you even talking about rounds that had nothing to do with the comparison between 9mm and .45? did you even read the thread
>>30502151
But is not for sale yet anon and it'll be more Gucci than Deagles when they're out.
>>30505140
Deagles in .357mag or .44mag are actually reasonable companion guns to lever-action carbines, especially the .44. They have a lot less recoil than equivalent revolvers.
>>30501922
who is this mataylo sak freedo?
>>30503100
Whats wrong with the grip safety tho?
>>30501922
If you buy a 9mm you're buying a katana
would you buy a katana for home defense?
>>30506268
Erika, from "Irregular at Magic High School."
>>30502100
>Kimber
>in 10mm
Your health insurance premium must be off the charts.
>>30506964
thanks, freeman
>>30501922
why not both?
>>30503602
Why settle for 9mm when you can shoot .223?
5.7 is closer to 5.56 than it is to .22LR.
Deal with it.
if you're willing to try a 2011, flush-fit MBX magazines hold 20 rounds of 9mm.
>>30509631
yeah I agree with marisa
just home defense with your AR
>>30501922
For starters, get a hi-capacity 9mm, like this Glock 17 (or 19).
(cont.)
>>30512269
>>30511922
(cont.)
Then get a meme variant of the 1911 in .22 LR.
People will laugh at you in any case, so why not shoot cheap ammo? :D
9mm is cool bro
