which would win?
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which would win?
>>30478950
Draw
The lone bf-109 would run out of ammo before taking out any where 100 Camels.
The Camels could never hope to get a shot on the 109.
>>30478997
It would be a draw due to the Camels being able to turn hella tight and the 109 would end up downing a few of them. Then run out of ammo and use its speed to fly faster and higher than the camels.
The 109 could fly through the Camels with minimal damage.
Just fly around and use your wing tips to damage a camel's wood and cloth wings.
Would an Apache beat 100 Biplanes?
>>30479214
Depends. How suicidal would the camel pilots be?
>>30479214
I mean the Helicopter before anyone goes "hurr hurr apache indian only has bow how beat biplane?"
>>30479246
They don't know much about it but command really wants it dead and at least 75 of em' will carry out their orders to the best of their ability.
>>30478950
Bf 109 climbs up in space and stays there.
>>30479190
like steel folded a thousand times?
>>30479246
Well, from what we've seen in Afghanistan and Iraq? Camel pilots are pretty suicidal.
>>30479144
what is the vertical famalam
just what is it???
fo real doe
>>30479277
kek
>>30479214
I'd say pretty likely, since AH-64 is supposed to have 360 protection from 7.62 ammo.
The gunner can just take his time and shoot < 12 rounds at each camel.
An Israeli or Japanese Apache would have a better chance, since those have better Stinger integration and the Israelis might have whipped up a way to carry them on the wing pylons rather than the wingtips. That would let the Apaches carry around a lot of Stingers and eliminate the Camels risk free.
i have read before that the Stork was notoriously difficult to shoot down. The slow stall speed meant that any fighter would overshoot it.
Interestingly a Stork was the last dogfight casualty of WW2. A Piper Cub forced it down with their sidearm 45's.
>>30479258
>those magazines
Holy shit, thats almost smart
>>30479276
>>30479214
Apache gets downed either to a critical rotor hit or areal ramming. 100 is a very large number /k/.
>>30479568
it could just stay above the camels and shoot down at them
>>30479591
I'm pretty sure they have about equal flight ceiling, the Camel might actually have more.
>>30479628
However, the helicopter can increase or decrease altitude much easier
>>30479628
Getting a ram on a helo that's 150 kph faster than you is going to be a problem.
AH-64 can just kite the camels non stop by simply flying away from them.
The 109 can fly much longer than the camels. All it has to do is keep them engaged. If they run out of fuel and go home he can put a burst into the pilot
>>30479214
Depends on the spawn of the Biplanes. If they all fly in from the same direction and at different intervals, the Apache has a good chance. But all from different directions at the same time? How is the Apache gonna dodge that?
>>30479719
You don't kite in a dogfight. It can't fire at them at that angle, and one of those bullets is bound to go through its exhaust manifold and ruin that turbojet's day. They have 500'000 chances to score that shot, to its 1'200ish or 240, depending on weapons envelope, and it has to turn to at least face them on the side to get a shot. The .303's on the camel also can damage other things too, like the tractions for the rotors, and the weapon systems.
>>30479448
This
The Bf-109 would have to get near stall speeds just to get behind a camel, at which point it is going the same speed and vulnerable. The only option for the bf-109 is to swoop in at high speeds and hope for a hit. It will almost definitely run out of ammo before it downs even 10 or 12 of them, if the pilot is skilled.
>>30478997
>The lone bf-109 would run out of ammo before taking out any where 100 Camels.
>>30479144
>Then run out of ammo
>>30481066
>It will almost definitely run out of ammo before it downs even 10 or 12 of them
>needing ammo
>>30478950
>see biplanes
>shoot down 20 then turn around and gtfo
>>30479448
Ya, and L4's would dodge BF-109's, FW-190's and the like by diving and reversing direction. By the time the fighter came about the green L4 would be lost against the backdrop of the ground.
There was also a case in Italy where an L4 pilot lured a FW-190 into a narrow canyon and caused it to crash.
>>30478950
>see swarm of massive slow targets buzzing around
>pick up your acex20 status real quick and go home
>>30479956
No the Apache just flies away at high speed and pulls range on the swarm of camels, it's as simple as that.
The Apache can land accurate shots from >1 KM, but Camels can't because their .303 guns can't shoot that far.
Also it doesn't have to shoot from the front unlike fixed wing planes. The Apache wins by running away from the Camelblob at max speed while slinging 30mm rounds from beyond the max range of the camel's 303. If there's enough safe distance, the Apache slows down to give the gunner an easier time.
>>30478950
Didn't the 109 and 190 have trouble against crop dusters?
>>30478950
Assuming they both have unlimited supplies of ammo.
The BF-109 would win, it's much faster and climbs much better, it'd be out of range from the biplanes in no time and could get behind them for a couple of seconds before outrunning them again.
>>30481142
The Bf-109 is NOT glorious nippon steel.
>>30479448
>>30481066
what the fuck is this overshoot bullshit, a plane can shoot down another plane that's flying the same speed as it is and a plane can shoot a non moving target why the fuck can't it shoot something in between?
>>30479277
nice
>>30479277
