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The last thread was mothballed
Up the Maples Edition
> What's this thread about?
As usual this thread is for the discussion and pics of tracked and wheeled AFVs of all kinds from MBTs to supertanks to self propelled AA guns. Please keep it civil and cite sources for statistics.
The LAV III is a derivative of the Swiss MOWAG (now a subsidiary of GDELS) Piranha IIIH, yet it deserves examination within the context of its unique and indispensable role within the Canadian Army itself, and its influence in neighbouring America’s Stryker. Canada’s involvement with the LAV III stems from July 1991, when the military had identified an urgent need for replacements for 1960s-70s era AFVs. $2.8 billion was allocated for the Multi-Role Combat Vehicle (MRCV) by the Conservatives, with the express goal of creating a common family to replace the Grizzly, Bison, Lynx and M113 variants in service. Due to budgetary constraints, however, it was cancelled by March 1992. With the return of the Liberals in 1994, however, a new Light Armoured Vehicle programme was undertaken, spurred by both Army requests and concerning reports of underwhelming Canadian AFV performance during UNPROFOR in the Yugoslav Wars. On August 16, 1995, General Motors Diesel Division was awarded the contract to produce the new LAV III, a combination of the Coyote’s turret and weaponry, along with the latest developments in the Piranha family. The vehicle itself carries seven passengers and three crew, propelled by a Detroit Diesel six cylinder diesel engine and its main armament consisted of a TIS enabled Bushmaster 25 mm and a 7.62 mm coaxial. In operation, there are typically two “air sentries”, standing on the benches to look out the back deck for security. There are currently 651 in Canadian service, a substantial portion of which have improved IED protection.
> Gun
Rifled 25 mm M242
> Dimensions (l w h)
6.98 x 2.71 x 2.81 m
> Weight
16.958 tonnes
> Engine
350hp diesel
> Speed
100 km/h
>>30472767
OP: As always, feedback, suggestions wanted and appreciated.
Happy Canada Day! I must confess I was mulling the idea of Independence Day, but since the actual date of Canada Day was closer, and I was pretty interested in the LAV, I chose Canada.
The protection of the LAV III amounts to a Level III equivalency along STANAG 4569 guidelines, with all round protection from 7.62x51 mm NATO rounds. The protection of the LAV III has been significantly improved over the years, with the early introduction of the ceramic Modular Expandable Armour System (MEXAS) officially bequeathing next level protection up to 14.5x114 mm rounds from 500 m. Furthermore, in 2008, the Canadians undertook a comprehensive series of programmes aimed at packages for protection against 30 mm AP, EFPs and particularly IEDs emerging, with the IED upgrades becoming a staple of continued operations in Afghanistan. These upgrades cumulatively were $68 million with the IED package alone being an additional $13.5 million. Nevertheless, for a military that had sustained the vast majority of its casualties in actions involving the LAV III, these upgrades were a necessary investment. In 2011, with IEDs still being a pressing threat, General Dynamics was awarded a contract to upgrade 550 LAV IIIs with further mine protection along with an extension of the vehicle’s lifespan to 2035. The LAV III has performed admirably in most respects in Canadian service, with issues such as feared rollovers being negligible – only sixteen, operating in very rough terrain were ever reported – and the lack of protection in Afghanistan being addressed with ad hoc solutions or later modular addons, and tools such as the Nanuk RWS. However, unlike the Leopard 2A6M’s outstanding protection in Afghanistan, the LAV III is still a much lighter vehicle, with the limitations that entails against the pernicious threat of IEDs and explosive weaponry.
>>30472776
More tank news, as per the new format.
If you have more queries regarding a news story, just point it out, and I’ll further elaborate and provide links.
Following on from news of the USMC’s trialing of Israeli Trophy APS, the US Army is now looking to foreign systems for solutions to emerging missile threats to AFVs. Four separate systems, two of which are Israeli in origin and one domestic will be trialed on the Stryker, Abrams and Bradley, projected to be deployed on European units once integration is complete. This is expected to be an interim solutions, as MAPS (Modular Active Protection System) the Army’s own effort is still in development.
South Korea’s DAPA is now examining methods of improving the efficiency of its 155 mm howitzers. At the Defence IQ Future Artillery conference in London, Lt Col Chung Win Jee spoke of the potential in automation of artillery systems to prevent manpower losses in any North Korean counterbattery or preliminary targeting effort, and reducing the garrison requirements on the border.
NORINCO is now exporting a new 120 mm mortar WMZ-551. The system is not an exceptional deviation from existing designs, but does offer full amphibious capabilities, and a recoil system mitigating the need for stabilisers.
The Singapore Armed Forces (SAF) has received its final prototype of the 29 tonne next generation AFV to replace the state’s M113A2 Ultra APC fleet. The currently unnamed vehicle is currently under development by the Defence Science and Technology Agency in partnership with Singapore Technologies, the project dating back to 2006, and it is expected that it will be complete by 2019.
The UK Ajax has now completed its first air portability trials at the Joint Air Delivery Test and Evaluation Unit at RAF Brize Norton. The Ares platform was driven onto a real size mockup of the standard air transporters in British service, and tie down drills were practised onboard.
And that’s all for now.
>>30472795
Also, in case you thought I'd forgot about a tank commander writeup:
http://www.strawpoll.me/10643755
I may have missed some, writing off the top of my head, be sure to suggest who you have in mind.
>>30472776
I heard Trophy was being developed for the Lav, how true is this?
>>30472767
In honor of Canada Day and thus Canadian industry, the LAV(CRV) competing for Australia's Land 400.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0-1lZMOrYFM
>>30472795
>Following on from news of the USMC’s trialing of Israeli Trophy APS, the US Army is now looking to foreign systems for solutions to emerging missile threats to AFVs. Four separate systems, two of which are Israeli in origin and one domestic will be trialed on the Stryker, Abrams and Bradley, projected to be deployed on European units once integration is complete. This is expected to be an interim solutions, as MAPS (Modular Active Protection System) the Army’s own effort is still in development.
The Iron Curtain APS was a surprise competitor against the field of Trophy, Iron Fist and AMAP-ADS.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CnAmPEjsOGw
>>30473130
Trophy was tested on Strykers back when it was being developed.
>>30473458
Iron Curtain looks really unwieldy, with all the heavy doodads that have to be attached to even light vehicles.
>>30472767
Happy Canada day OP, waiting on a Carius thread, but I'll be fine with any tank thread.
>tfw no MMEV with anti-everything suite.
>>30474138
>tfw no boxylicious ADATS either
>>30474390
>wanted to transfer to Artillery to be ADATS operator
>they were all retired and mothballed in 2012
>we now have no ground based air-defense systems in operation
Sure they're all still around in mothball but they retired them with no fucking replacement! The MMEV was supposed to be the replacement but that got canned.
>>30474461
Shit, what happened to all your SAMs and SHORADS?
>>30474514
All have been mothballed since the 90's, same with our MANPADS, all thanks to the decade of darkness under the Liberal party. Then some retards in the past 6 years thought its smarter & cheaper to rely entirely on our Navy (LOL) and NORAD for air defense. And now we're under Liberal rule again, because like an abused wife we just keep coming back for more.
So earlier in the week there was a bait thread that involved an argument over roadwheels on the T-14 and Abrams.
It did produce a image that has the scale based on the T-14 with 700mm roadwheels and the Abrams with 25 inch roadwheels (per photos and manufacturers webpages).
>>30474880
Wait, was this an argument over the size of the roadwheels? How the fuck do you get a bait thread out of that topic?
>>30475155
It was a thread about the T-14, at some point an anon claimed the T-14 was smaller than Western tanks. Lots of shitposting over sources.
>>30475155
>How the fuck do you get a bait thread out of that topic?
pretty much every Armata thread on /k/ is a bait thread
http://www.portalmorski.pl/statki/zawiniecia/43973-rosomaki-w-drodze-z-portu-gdansk-do-zjednoczonych-emiratow-arabskich
Poland Patria AMV for the UAE
57mm gun soon
>>30475413
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BNQC0YNF8J0
some very interesting Odin 57mm turret from a company called valhalla
the 57mm gun for the AMV will be Russian one though
>>30472767
>treadhead gaeneral
>LAV
>tread
>wheels
OP, why?
>>30475729
>implying you cann't put tread on everything
>>30475729
>implying tyres don't have treads
>>30475421
That's some damn melodramatic shit right there
>>30473145
Think it has a chance of winning?
>>30472795
>automation of artillery systems
Is the ROKA the first to pursue this kind of thing? Seems like a very neat concept.
>>30476182
>>30472795
what does "automation" mean in this context? Just a reduction of crew form x to y, or are we talking un-manning the whole shit?
>>30476210
Unmanning, robotic.
>>30476210
>>30476182
If it meant fully unmanned then the Russians have them beat. That Koalition-SV of theirs can be controlled remotely apart from its processes being entirely robotic.
>>30475729
that one nigga that didn't read the first paragraph of the OP
"The last thread was mothballed
Up the Maples Edition
> What's this thread about?
As usual this thread is for the discussion and pics of tracked and wheeled AFVs of all kinds from MBTs to supertanks to self propelled AA guns. Please keep it civil and cite sources for statistics. "
>>30474880
I like how since this picture popped up, the "lololololol Armata is smaller then M1A1, you are too stupid to read wikipedia you idiots"-spamming has stagnated.
>>30476182
Nah, nothing new.
The french built the 155 GCT turret with a fully automatic autoloader with charges graber and all.
>>30476528
>"lololololol Armata is smaller then M1A1, you are too stupid to read wikipedia you idiots"
wait, is that a thing? even Wiki says that the T-14 is longer and higher than the M1..
>>30476528
>>30476561
Even in the V Day pics from last year, most people were commenting how large the T-14 was.
And even if the M1 was smaller, wouldn't that be a good thing anyway, seeing as crew comfort is that big of a problem in the first place for the Abrams?
Does anyone have the T14 bing picture?
>>30476604
*bingo
>>30476613
need more gun
>>30476348
Reminds me of this
>>30475421
They should have used this as the music
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E72zNSW7ID8
Why is modern artillery not one piece ammunition? You have to load the primer, the propellant and everything seperately. Wouldn´t you be able to get a higher rate of fire if all you had to do was slam a shell into the breech and fire it?
Also, how come when you watch videos of the M109 in use, there is a guy cleaning the inside of the breech with a damp towel after its been fired? The guy does this at 23 seconds in this video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ZSVnHFDO6g
>>30477384
Different amounts of propellant let you more accurately hit the ranges you want. You're not always going to be firing as far as possible
>>30477384
>Why is modern artillery not one piece ammunition?
Because automated loading with multiple piece rounds can be made faster than you manhandling >100 lbs of one piece ammo.
>primer
With novel ignition schemes like microwave based or plasma igniter you don't need a conventional primer at all.
>Wouldn´t you be able to get a higher rate of fire if all you had to do was slam a shell into the breech and fire it?
ROF isn't everything. Actually shooting at full charge at burst speeds would get you a burst barrel in no time. This is why for guns that would attempt a good MRSI count MACS are a necessity. Not only because you want to cut the time the lower angle shots take but because you want to preserve the barrel from the immense stresses of firing after full and slightly less charges.
>>30476576
>seeing as crew comfort is that big of a problem in the first place for the Abrams?
?
>>30477384
Swabbing helps cool the breech and extinguishes any embers, although I don't know if embers are really an issue anymore.
QUICK, NAME YOUR TANK
>>30477567
The Gunner's station in Leopard 2 pattern tanks suck balls. No really turn your head around and the commander's balls are a feet away from your face.
>>30477639
Tank name: "skippy" we'd just hoon around blasting the theme song
>>30477639
MEME MACHINE
Most nations with fairly competent militaries have both mobile howitzers and multiple rocket launchers systems, so they obviously have different roles, but what are those different roles?
One fires big bullets a long way away while the other one fires big rockets a long way away, so it seems like they carry out a similar job.
>>30476044
Thales is working together with GDLS on this tender. Thales already have the advantage of already having a manufacturing presence in Australia due to Hawkei and Bustmaster production, and we already have an LAV based vehicle in service. The RMA for phase 2 (should have) ended on the 30th, so a short list on candidates shouldn't be too far off. Goes without saying that the winner of phase two will have an influence on the potential winners of phase 3 (tracked IFV replacement for M113AS4s) given that the commonality with armaments is sound logistically.
GLDS would most likely offer the ASCOD/Ajax, while Rheinmetall would offer the Puma with the Boxer, and BAE would most likely offer the CV9035/Armadillo with the Patria AMV. Phase 3 tender isn't going to happen until 2018-19 though.
>>30478050
Rocket arty can dump rockets a lot faster than a gun battery can, and can change position almost immediately afterwards.
Gun artillery can be corrected and be more accurate, thus allowing the guns to target a specific location and provide closer support with ground forces.
stuff like the GMLRS kind of overlaps because the rockets can be dead-on accurate providing you give the right target information, but traditional rocket arty is more of a saturation kind of thing.
in other words,
Gun Arty = "Fuck this guy and his buddies"
Rocket Arty = "Fuck this guy and anyone standing one mile around him"
US has the Sherman
Russia the t34.
Germany the Panzer IV
What would be the main WW2 workhorse tank of Japan? Domestic British designs? I'm guessing Type 97 and Valentine, but what the fuck do I know.
>>30478224
>I'm guessing Type 97
Chi-ha that is.
I just noticed the Te-ke exists.
>>30477651
I don't know about the Leopard 2, but on an Abrams the commander is above and behind the gunner. The commanders knees are behind the gunners shoulders when he is buttoned up.
Updated version of the Bumerang (on the right) was spotted in Nizhny Novgorod
>>30478474
Almost looks like a different turret altogether.
Proxy T-72 in eastern Ukraine that has a custom Kontakt-5/Kontakt-1 layout.
>>30472927
Awesome. Voted Knispel !
>>30478050
They complement each other. One gives a lot of firepower over a sustained period of time. Another gives a metric shitload of firepower in an instant or other very short time. They can't replace each other.
>>30472767
Ask an 0313 anything
>>30479327
wtf is this?
bolted new shit, but still old 1 pin tracks
>>30478635
>>30478651
>>30478667
they are T-72B 1989 with DIY rubber flap + ERA to cover the turret ring, pic is from september last year
>>30472927
Awesome. Voted for Knispel !
>>30479222
>>30479671
Ah fuck thought the first one hadn't made it, my bad.
>>30477639
DEATH MACHINE with a terminator skull decal somewhere on the t0nk
>>30479307
how did you get your job?
>>30479307
are you driver, gunner, commander? Also people always post pics of wheeled vehicles stuck in mud. What's your opinion on wheels vs treads?
>>30476182
On a related note; Finland is choosing used K9 Thunder to replace their old SPGs.
>>30477447
>Different amounts of propellant let you more accurately hit the ranges you want
So thats how they do it huh. I thought they just aimed at a ridiculously high angle like 80 degrees if they wanted the shell to land somewhere right infront of them as opposed to using different amounts of propellant.
>>30476561
Are you kidding? Slavboos gone full autism over it in almost all Armata threads when someone called it large, they then told how Armata is measure with the remote controlled machinegun, while the M1A2 is measured by the top of the roof of the turret on wikipedia and similar crap, which is somewhat true, but Armata is still larger. Just be happy you didnt witness it, it was brain melting advanced vatnik thinking. They even made a fake version, were the Armata top of turret was a bit smaller than the M1A2. And since we could witness this derailing too often already, yes the Armata turret is smaller, but no, this doesnt make it the smaller tank.
>>30481204
This is /thg/, lad, calm your tits and enjoy the tank discussions.
>>30481223
We can enjoy discussions here, because people spend their time BTFO such idiots and they dont feel too comfy here with their constant spamming of propaganda tier lies. So kudos to the one making the correct version picture in >>30474880 after we could see the fake one getting spammed for months.
BTW wasnt there another version with even more stuff on it? Or am i mixing up stuff?
>>30481398
I missed that thread earlier in the week, what exactly were they arguing about? Were they denying the fact that the Armata is bigger than the Abrams or what?
The Armata being a big tank isn´t necessarily a bad thing but I just somehow feel thats now what the whole shitposting session was about.
>>30481398
>>30481575
>>30481487
>>30433838
>>30481487
>but I just somehow feel thats now what the whole shitposting session was about.
Are we already in the typical russian "No one ever said that, you got it all wrong, let me tell you about this other thing and why russians outsmart everyone else instead"-phase? Because it was literally about them telling everyone how the Armata is smaller than a M1A2.
On the way of never ending train of slavboo shit that been spammed endlessly and after things showed otherwise gets acted like never been posted:
[x]Tanks must be small or they are shit
[x]Armata is smaller than an M1A1
[ ]Armata is bigger, but of course that is no drawback
Because it is never about actually discussing anything, but having the next straw to grasp.
>>30481596
The people questioning the corrected version are pretty cringe worthy, especially how they only question the corrected version and ignore the fake one who got simply less references, which makes it actually more questionable.
>>30480263
Lithuania is also getting Pzh2000s, so I'm curious why Finland didn't go for the 2000.
>>30472776
>all round protection from 7.62x51
I get afv/apc/ifv aren't tanks but with weapon systems in 14.5 and 30mm so common, shouldn't their armor be much better than what they currently are? If I was making one I'd want 30mm frontal 14.5 sides minimum.
On a similar note, is it cheaper/lighter to have
1 >passive armor that withstand rpg7 hits (500mm RHA)
2 >Passive armor that withstand 7.62 with ERA on top.
>>30482464
It is normal for the 14.5mm resistant applique armor to be mounted, and there is supposed to be a 30mm resistant kit for the front arc.
I'm angry about Strykers.
Mainly because they took my M1068 and replaced it with a Stryker.
>>30482272
Not a NATO member and the K9 is better for bad and mountain terrain.
>>30482669
Yes yes dear, we know you were devastated by the loss of headroom.
>>30482669
You complain about it every chance you get.
>>30478070
Reinmetal have pic related
>>30481639
Mate I´m English. The Challenger 2 is my baby, all I wanted to know was what exactly they were arguing about and the other anon kindly posted a link to the thread.
>>30483014
Are you really telling me you never witnessed one of those Armata small and everyone telling otherwise is an idiot rants? I come 2-3 a week at best to /k/ and still manage to witness those a few times in the past months.
Not even the guy, just saying before stuff gets confused.
>>30482878
Really like this combo desu.
>>30483014
No offense, but post like yours just seem to turn up not just by chance pretty often around when russians have gotten BTFO again to create a total twisted vibe around it.
>where there even people saying the armata is smaller >>30476561
Despite different people seeing it and already starting to complain about it appearing AGAIN.
>calm your tits >>30481223
aka stop talking about this, you butthurt
>I didnt see the discussion, but i will tell it was about something else where russians are rather right, suprise suprise>>30481487
Basically the same pattern we could see in the other thread, the second the corrected version was "questioned". Even if you or one of the others didnt do it on purpose it is rather strangely coincidental.
>>30483095
I only go on /thg/ tank threads, the rest I ignore because its normally that gavin guy talking about his M113 or shitposting between everyone. Rest of my visits to /k/ are just firearm related.
>>30483370
Nah mate, I wasnt sure what that other thread was about and I asked and then people thought I was Russian. I love me a good discussion on the T-72/T-90 but I don´t bother with the Armata.
>>30483434
Yeah, mate. You just missed those, mate. And then you just were the next chain piece of twisting, mate. All clear now, mate.
>>30480108
Selection process out of ITB
>>30480162
Driver of a 25. It's not too common for our vehicles to get stuck. Then again I'm at dusty, dry Pendleton. Doesn't mean it doesn't happen. And when they get stuck, it can be a bitch, especially if the idiot gets it into a bad rut. I've had to reattach an output shaft while laying in 6in deep mud. That's beyond my echelon of maintenance. Then I had to sort the POL from the mud. It was a truly amazing experience.
>>30483765
Who was your SDI?
Did you ever have to defecate while inside the vehicle?
>>30484072
SSGT. Perard, Lima Co.
And no.
>>30472767
Why does Canada have such an aversion to tracks? They didn't even want tanks until Afghanistan convinced them otherwise.
>>30484801
Canada has had tanks since at least WW2.
>>30483584
Yeah dude were totally cool.
>>30475421
>the 57mm gun for the AMV will be Russian one though
Just as God intended.
>>30477639
"RECKONING OF LEAD"
-And it has to be a T-14 daddy.
>>30479327
>>30479336
Black Eagle?
>>30481639
>[x]Tanks must be small or they are shit
A smaller target is always better, dumbkopf, all things being equal.
>[x]Armata is smaller than an M1A1
Yes, it is. But they also don't have the same volume of interior to protect. The Soviets and Russians have always prided themselves on the "muh armor-to-volume ratio", remember. The T-14 is set to have a smaller projection to protect than the Abrams simply because the crew are lying on the hull floor F-1 style while all you have to worry up top is the gun.
>[ ]Armata is bigger, but of course that is no drawback
Its easier to spot since its bigger on the outside yes. It could have a problem traversing close terrain but if it does somebody done fucked up anyway(ie they are in Korea or Japan or someplace with narrow as fuck neighborhoods.).
>>30485231
Don't drag your shitposting in here.
>>30484827
They sold all their tanks for MGS's or something
Then bought new ones
But thats likely just the liberal government trying to fuck stuff up, fuck them & fuck liberal voters.
>>30484072
>defecate while inside the vehicle
>>30485700
Sometimes it is not safe outside. So you poop into plastic bags and pee in bottles.
>Russians still haven't hit 10° depression turrets
>Banking all ground warfare on overwhelming numbers and never having to defend
>Meanwhile in the US
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q0glG0NyFcc
T-72B3M, western military district
>>30485906
this is now my new favorite tank
>>30482272
because it breaks down like 97% of the time.
>>30485989
Where'd you read that? Not doubting, just never heard that before.
>>30486097
I've seen it
>>30485792
whats a 1.7kg mine going to do to a tank?
>>30486129
what is shaped charge
>>30485792
every one have mass mine laying device, not just the US
>>30486146
also AT mine laying device for Mi-8
>>30480263
Wonder how the Norwegian selection will look at this
>>30486122
Story?
I read the IDF wants to make an 8-wheeled 35 ton IFV. That seems insanely heavy. Wanna what ya'll think about it.
>>30486201
During an live fire exercise in Germany, both german and dutch Pzh2000s would break down of various sorts. They also brought 2-3 vehicle in reserve(which means they know that they will break down).
>>30477639
KEBAB REMOVER
>>30479336
Neat
>>30486129
Destroy tracks
>>30486481
or the hull floor
>>30486870
>be advised
just got back from the a Museum in switzerland, where they had a little show with russian tanks
>>30487247
commencing pic dump
>>30485331
Canada did not sell off its Leopard 1 fleet and has not operated MGS.
Please stop shitting up /thg/ if you have no idea what you are talking about.
>>30485331
What are you even talking about.
>>30487301
Here the engine bay of the Centurion from the Centurion club switzerland
>>30487321
A Leopard 2A4 lent to the museum by the swiss army
>>30484801
>they didn't even want tanks until Afghanistan
Here's a Canadian Leopard 1 in Germany, 1980.
A bit before Afghanistan, don't you think?
>>30487247
>>30487264
>>30487286
>>30487301
>>30487321
>>30487344
I can dump some more, if you're interested
>>30485231
You may not have noticed, but the cringey, derailing Armata defending and revionism of discussions around it had reached a level where it has become counterproductive. A bit more and we probaly will have a specific meme for people doing this.
>>30487365
Go on please, pictures are better than shitposting any day
>>30487415
>specific meme for people doing this.
Armatards seems like a good name.
>>30487424
Will do
I'll continue with some swiss vehicles
>>30487434
>Armatards
I think we have a winner.
>>30487437
>Swiss vehicles
>Posts a czech design
Just had to shitpost a bit, continiue to dump if you want to.
>>30487434
Armataphile?
>>30487443
Armatarats
>>30487454
Gunners position on a Panzer 68
>>30487450
ok you got me there, but it was in swiss service and had a swiss built gun
>pic related
>>30487559
ok, this one is a picture of a picture. but i don't think there is one on the internet right now with a higher resolution
the vehicle is the Mowag Taifun tank destroyer prototype
>>30482878
Yeah I meant Lynx, was writing this at 3am in the morning after a party
>>30487301
whose flag is this?
>>30487652
some soviet army one i assume
Two czech-built G13 tank hunters, the lighter one has a petrol engine the darker the later diesel engine
>>30487682
the Mowag Pirat
>>30487699
ok that one was more blurred more than i thought
>>30487566
What tank is that?
It looks legitimately like spurdo.
>>30477639
Brick Shithouse
>>30477639
Tsavo
>>30490729
note the names for the AMPV variants
>>30490719
>>30490729
>>30490755
These make me very happy. Where'd you grab these from, and is there a video of the talk?
The Goliath counts as a tracked vehicle right?
>>30491185
Am I a bit late for tankfest stuff? If no-one minds me posting.
Some photos might be the wrong way up because phone.
>>30491351
This one may have had treads at some point
>>30478635
>>30478651
>>30478667
Maybe they are trying to make it look like the Ukrainian prototype lol
Remember, Russia didn't do nuff'n, he was a good boy. He just needs money from dem sanctions.
>>30490755
Thats a British Army Ajax in that as "Future Fighting Vehicle."
>>30491451
Is that a CDL Matilda?
>>30491497
Jagdtiger ass
>>30476185
This pic reminds me of the music video for Dirty Harry by the Gorillaz
>>30491530
Jagdtiger is 2big
>>30491514
Can't remember, didn't really get a good look sorry
>>30491561
Hello friendos
could I get a Tl;DR on the Next gen abrams (SEPv3 or A3 or whatever the fuck they're going to call it) There's so much conflicting info out there and I know you guys know your shit
>>30491648
>tfw only bit of sturmtiger left was the gun
Posted this before but forgot to check the thread again for a response.
Anyone got that screencap of why the Sherman was the best tank ever? One line went
>Armor as thin as America's tolerance for Communism
>Burns as easily as- something.
>>30491717
>>30491725
I believe the word you're looking for is Ronson
>>30491859
Next couple of photos might be a bit shit because they were taken in what was basically a big warehouse stuffed with old and broken tanks
>>30491509
The MPF image is a CV90-120.
>>30487347
While anon is woefully misinformed, the Liberal government in the period was looking for lighter options against all reason.
>>30491904
Why is the M103 so ugly?
>>30491874
I haven't been to bovington in like five years. Have they really opened that up, or was it just for tankfest?
(is tankfest worth going to?)
>>30491914
Nice opinions, faggot
>>30491725
Is that supposed to be ironic?
Shermans caught on fire as often as most other workhorse tanks of WWII, and maybe even less with wet stowage, plus the Ronson slogan happened after WWII.
And the M4's armor was on par with the Panzer IV if not better as North Africa showed.
>>30491934
>>30491928
Well one half of the warehouse had a big World of Tanks setup since they sponsor tankfest which was mostly why it was open.
I'd say tankfest is worth it but it was the first time I've been. This years event was a Tunisia event with Americans vs Germans re-enacting.
>>30492003
>>30491943
The turret looks like a tumor desu
>>30491590
>could I get a Tl;DR on the Next gen abrams (SEPv3 or A3 or whatever the fuck they're going to call it) There's so much conflicting info out there
Absolutely happening:
>data cables replaced with fiber, saving literal tons in mass
Probably happening:
>hard-kill APS
Might happen:
>enhanced armor of top surfaces against top-down weapons like artillery submunitions
>other armor improvements
>new engine - a diesel(unlikely), an improved turbine, or not
>>30487264
>T-55AM
Mmmm…
>>30492043
The Panzer 3 had fuel line problems and didn't work well that day. RIP
>>30492069
Everybody was queueing up to molest the tiger but no-one payed as much attention to the Sherman Fury
>>30492081
Don't worry, almost out of pics
>>30492069
Hello Friend :3
IM SAD
>>30492172
And that's pretty much it.
Hoped you found the pics interesting.
Sorry for any with bad quality or wrong orientation.
>>30491944
Yes but it was funny.
>>30491590
>SEPv3
-new armor package (Next Evolutionary Armor)
-improved IED protection (belly plate, CREW, hull structure, seats)
-low profile RWS
-ammunition data link
-3rd gen thermal sights
-under armor APU
-upgraded electricity generation (1000 amp alternator, new slip ring)
-updated blue force tracker (JBC-P)
Common myths/defunct info/offerings the US Army has not expressed interest in are a MTU diesel engine, the XM360 gun, an autoloader or trying to make the tank multiple tons lighter.
Also keep in mind the US is going to select an APS to field on units stationed in Europe, Abrams are very likely to get Trophy within 1-2 years.
>>30492026
I remember the rumors when the first ECP1 news came out, people were wondering if they'd change to diesel but that's highly unlikely.
>>30492106
Hellcat is my tank(destroyer)fu
>>30492210
>went to tankfest
>didn't take a picture of the best tank
Step it up, senpai. Nobody can match my photography skills.
>>30485331
>>30484801
You're both retards, we've operated tanks since WW2. We didn't get Leopard 2A4/6's until Afghanistan because that's when the DND we saw how effective our Leopard C2's were despite their age. They then decided it was time to upgrade from C2's and buy a shitload of Dutch Leo2A4's for bargain bin prices because their government decided they don't need tanks anymore for some magical reason.
>liberal government
It was the Conservatives in power at the time.
>>30492231
>Still using the L-44
I don't get it
>>30487729
ID on that vehicle?
What's the best T-72 variant and why is it the Moderna?
>>30493389
I think advances in ammunition (M829A4 wise) offer better performance than gun upgrades.
>>30493389
The M256 is not the L44, but to answer your question the US decided to improve its ammunition instead of adopting a longer barrel.
Thus the M829A3 and M829A4.
>>30493827
The longer barrel allows ammunition to attain higher velocities, so it's not a performance thing but most probably a cost issue. How many Abrams should be upgraded against just introducing some new ammunition?
>>30493855
>M256 is not the L44
It is though. 44 calibers long too.
>>30474461
Trust me, that shit sucked
>laser guided missiles
>engage target at 7km
>SHOT OUT
>fighter starts evasive maneuvers
>keep laser on target
>missile falls out of laser
>it's fucking gone
It wasn't bad to drive or operate, but tactically it sucked. You had a minimal survivability rate unless you sat in the ETD chair...
>>30477639
MANIFEST DESTINY
>>30493924
True but the Rhienmetall 120mm gun is referred to as L44 or L55, and the M256 is neither gun.
>>30493895
Is the abrams capable of penetrating the frontal armor of any modern MBT?
>>30494498
>the M256 is neither gun.
Apart from using a different recoil system using coil springs instead of hydraulic ones, and from other simplifications, it is almost the same
>>30477639
KEBAB KANNON
>>30494542
I would consider a difference breech to be something other than almost the same.
>>30494538
yes
>>30493565
Panzer 68
>>30477639
Initial D
>>30494369
Should've just slapped some AMRAAMS on it and used the ADATS for tanks and choppers instead.
>>30495219
The Danish option
>>30492231
>Excited to see Abrams getting their old woodland camo again and finally getting rid of that ugly flat desert tan
>start seeing dumb shit like this where they slap flat desert panels on top of an otherwise sexy woodland scheme
It triggers me every time I see it.
>>30493698
>Moderna
Good but still uses light ERA, T-72B2 and T-90A aka T-72BM are better.
>>30493698
That's a weird way of saying Twardy
So I just took a job as a Cav Scout (19D) in the Army. How is the M3 Bradley? Will it suck dicks? Am I fucked if I ever get shot at in one?
>>30497003
>No CITV
>>30473458
Wouldn't all these systems all be flawed if Israel(the designer), knows it's full limitations and future designs to defeat it?
>>30497098
It'd be in Israel's full interest to keep these limitations secret.
>>30497098
Israel only makes two of the four, and only if you expect Israel to endanger their own forces.
>>30492081
i-i still love you Fury-chan ;_;
>>30497028
Yeah, being inside any armored vehicle as a passenger sucks sweaty dick.
As long as it's small arms, you should be fine if you're shot at.
>>30496405
>tank
And that must have fucked something up inside, if not the driver.
>>30487566
>>30488143
Hey I made that, it warms my heart to see the spreading of meme. It's a Hotchkiss H35, some anon went to Kubinka tank museum and posted pics
>>30497685
Still have the green one saved?
http://computerland-spb.ru/images/pdf_uvz/Guns_spreads.pdf
this thing is pretty neat
>>30498410
For those of us who don't speak Russian, what exactly does it do?
If I had to hazard a guess based on the pictures, some sort of manual sighing system? Or is it something that tracks the position of the muzzle, like the Abrams and other Western tanks have?
>>30497851
=D Anon-sempai remembered~! :3 But no. I could make another one again real quick if you really want
>>30498446
>Or is it something that tracks the position of the muzzle, like the Abrams and other Western tanks have
nope, it is for fixing alignment of the gun and sight in the field, have been seen on T-90 and T-80U
not the device that measure barrel curvature after it heat up
also some interesting video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UVb_D1Gw51g
>>30498516
so it both is and isnt a muzzle reference system?
>>30498720
it is primitive muzzle reference system
but not the same as real muzzle reference system
>>30498829
can you elaborate?
http://below-the-turret-ring.blogspot.com/2016/03/chobham-armor-facts-and-fiction-1.html
A really cool primer on composite armor
>>30498891
the one i post was use for checking gun/sight alignment in the field. during combat,maneuvering and such the zeroing will change because of recoil, vibration. it help the crew doing field maintenance. it is consists the muzzle and the main gun reticle
real muzzle reference system are use to containly tracking the muzzle, because during combat, the main gun heat up and curve upward, the system sending singal to the ballistic com, and the rest are done by machine
>>30499005
ah righto.
>>30498940
>>30498927
So both of the Challengers are protected by plastic and metal? Or was that comment about 'some modern ones might use ceramic' unsure?
>>30499031
Considering that the actual composition of the modern chobam plates seems to still be classified, it's possible that the spaced plates might use a ceramic reinforcement instead of just being solid plastic or solid metal.
Visually we can see that the armor is spaced plates, but there appears to be room for speculation as to -what- the spaced plates are made of.
>>30499172
Would a homogenous boron carbide plate crack from vibrations? What might be some other ceramics?
>>30484349
Don't recognize the name. Must be west coast. There's only LAV school on west coast right?
Bizzuldy bump
noooo /thg/ don't die on me yet
Image limit reached.
Reload!
>>30501233
>Target! Target!
>Up!
>>30493895
From what I understand Depleted Uranium ammunition works best within a certain range of velocity, so higher velocity won't actually lead to better performance and may actually lead to worse performance when using DU.
This however is not really an issue as increased velocity is not the only way to increase performance.
