>be American
>try to develop 50 cal machine gun that isn't fuck huge and heavy
>fail
>give up
>go home
>>30412083
Why do you want one that isn't huge and heavy?
>>30412103
>Why do you want one that isn't huge and heavy?
>>30412083
>Be anyone
>Try to improve on M2
>Succeeded
>M2 still fucking awesome
>Put the new gun on a shelf.
>>30412129
You'd want a .50 to be huge and heavy, otherwise recoil will be a bitch.
>>30412141
Unless your firing from the shoulder, most M2s are mounted.
>>30412083
It's not that abomination of a case around the poor thing, it's not even all of the rails that kill it for me.
What the fuck is that bird's nest of tubes doing hanging loose on the side of something they expect people to operate in combat?
>>30412154
But then why does it matter how heavy it is, rather need it up and ensure that failures will be less fatal.
>>30412103
More to the point : how would OP make a 50 cal that isn't huge and heavy ?
>Be American
>try to develop ideal .50 cal machine gun
>succeed on first try
>laugh as foreigners attempt to catch up for a century
>meanwhile the M2s being used are often older than some US states, just as good as ever
>>30412083
Do you even M85 ?
>Americans are you even trying?
>>30412173
Because you still have to lift and move guns to different positions
>>30412154
Unless you're that one obese durka who claimed he could fire one without a tripod, it's always mounted.
>>30412129
Because single shot .50s are huge and heavy, so any .50 machine gun will need to be huger and heavier so that they don't shake themselves apart.
The point of the XM806 was that it had less than half the recoil of an M2.
Its failings came from the fact that it was just a modified XM807 which fired 25mm grenades, leading to a low rate of fire compared to a M2.
>>30412162
The weird tripod it is on.
>>30412196
>What is the DShK
>>30412227
Was it the "Hammer" or something like that i cant remember lol
>>30412236
obsolete
>>30412237
nvm it is the "Bulldozer of Fallujah"
>>30412236
Garbage.
>>30412255
thats not an m2. is that a NSV?
>>30412255
Imagine how useless he is. he would be better off carrying with a tripod. hes not gunna hit shit shouldering a fucking KORD.
>>30412247
>>30412263
>Russians improve upon their HMGs, signficiantly reducing their weight
>We Americans stick with the M2 because we can't be assed to buy anything new
>>30412083
>Try to make M2 lighter.
>Bolt on 20 kg of pointless bullshit.
>>30412293
>Also exactly describes AR-15 platform
>>30412136
>Be Russians
>Develop vastly cheaper, more reliable and overall better gun.
>>30412247
The M2 is obsolete, but we keep insist on using it.
>>30412154
Then, because weight doesn't matter, durability and reliability is important, which means that it should be large and blocky.
>>30412324
I wouldnt say obsolete, it works just not the most ideal option
>>30412236
A bad copy, created 20 years after the M2 and yet still crappier.
>>30412328
Lets make it 200 lbs than, can't get more reliable then that? Hopefully the enemy just comes from one location and you don't have to move it.
>>30412136
>>30412293
>>30412324
>the M2 has never been improved
>the M296 doesn't exist
>>30412293
>Russians take M2 make it cheaper and lighter
>made from cheaper parts
>jams all the time
>only people who still use it are 3rd world nations who cant afford anything else
>>30412324
50 .bmg it sell if obsolete. There is almost no situation that a 7.62x51 mg could not take care of just as well(in the sense of it being mounted to a IFV) if you need to bust armor bring up something to hit hard like a AT4. If you need to suppress the enemy bring up a LMG simple as.
>>30412364
>This entire post
Are you just pretending to be retarded? Or are you actually retarded?
>>30412364
>50 .bmg it sell if obsolete. There is almost no situation that a 7.62x51 mg could not take care of
Just get home and relax and I just have to run into somebody as retarded as you.
>>30412364
>Be Russian affiliated
>Use Russian parts and equipment just because of availability
>Get called 3rd world
>>30412364
>There is almost no situation that a 7.62x51 mg could not take care of just as wel
Technicals they are everywhere, to light armoured for AT weapons,
>>30412388
And I've been Ninja'd. >>30412386
Fuck it.
>>30412390
>turkey
>first world
opinion discarded
>>30412083
556 cartridge: 0.4oz
762x51 cartridge: 1.0 oz
50bmg cartridge 4.2 oz
with the exception of old rimmed straightwall blackpowder cartridges, generally speaking the power(and recoil impulse) of the cartridge is relevant to it's size... any idea where this is going?
>>30412390
>Sweden, Switzerland, Ireland
>First World
>>30412390
>turkey
>1st world
lol
roaches, when will they learn
>>30412419
Are you implying there is no room for improvement on the M2? even when other Nations have a HMG that weighs considerably less?
>>30412438
do the possible improvements outweigh the cost factor for a weapon that isn't that important, but still has to be there when needed?
>>30412496
No idea, M2s have been in service for a LOONG time how much $$$ is spent on maintenance?
Could be more effective in the long run to acquire new guns than putting parts on old guns.
>isn't that important
implying
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kiA_W9-pW9Y
>M2s
>Reliable
pick one
>>30412200
>In service the M85 was found to be unreliable and extremely complex compared to the M2 machine gun.
>>30412273
He was almost completely useless, actually. He was an executioner for ISIS and unless they executed him, his fat ass got captured by the Syrians a few months ago.
>>30412162
>What the fuck is that bird's nest of tubes doing hanging loose on the side of something they expect people to operate in combat?
It appears to be a twist knob based T&E integrated into the tripod.
>>30412541
>Probably not enough grease in it
>Weapon's fault
>>30412364
>What is Raufoss Mk.211
>>30412390
Yeah. You're second world. The First World was the US/NATO aligned countries. Second world was Soviet/Warsaw Pact. Third world was not officially aligned.
>>30412541
Not properly timed, the shit head behind the gun didn't time his 50 properly and that's why he is dealing with that bullshit.
>>30412227
Kek, didnt he get beheaded or something?
>>30412200
>super-duper snooper pooper
>>30412541
rekt
I would contract it out to high point. A straight blowback, magazine fed 50 bmg that is just a 995 on a tripod. It would be fucking awsome.
>>30412322
>Russian
>reliable
well meme'd, comrade
>>30413712
>bolt assembly that has to be towed in due to weight
I'd still love to see it done, just because.
>>30412202
>KORD
>Hey guys lets make a man portable weapon with rounds so heavy and ridged the gunner and AG can only carry 1/8 of a GPMG loadout
It's shit.
>>30413757
just add a trailer hitch and wheels like an old cannon
>>30413763
>as opposed to the m2 which is not man portable at all
real good comparison right there
>>30413789
We never use the M2 in a dismount, dumbass. It's for vehicles and static defenses. KORD is a waste. For the weight the KORD and it's ammo has, you can run two automatic riflemen with PKMs.
>>30412342
>being this retarded
>>30413822
No shit sherlock the KORD is an HMG, equivilant to the M2 . It is mainly mounted on tripods but also has the ability to be carried and used in the field if need be.
>>30412083
Why would anyone give a shit how heavy a vehicle mounted weapon is?
>>30413858
I dunno why dont they make it 300 lbs.. then it would be super reliable
>>30412083
That shit looks like a bunch of water pipes welded together.
at least the US military realized it was the 21st century. finally decided that screw in barrels that need to be head spaced and timing adjusted, every barrel change, needed to be eliminated.
quick change barrels for M2s, is the best thing the army has done this century. no longer must i spend 5 minutes with asbestos mitts on. to change a hot barrel.
>>30413855
Which there is never any need because you can't carry any ammo for it.
>>30412407
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