So, I came across this gem on my facebook feed. Do you guys have any thoughts on it? Is gun culture too "exclusive" for trans, lgbt, physically challenged brown women?
It seems like you could cover all of that, and the white guys with just "gun store whose employees aren't autists."
Trans, gays, and people of all sorts are accepted in gunshops everywhere.
The "old white racist homophobic men" meme needs to die.
Not at all, its just not a coddling environment. People who buy into this lgbtq+ shit cant handle not being catered to, so they always feel persecuted even when being accommodated for.
t.fag
>>30411941
Just go to literally any gun shop
>>30411941
Seeing as how I have sold guns to every facet of lgbt in my shop, I would say that the poster probably has never been to a fair sample size to make this kind of sweeping statement.
>>30411941
Literally nobody cares, people can have their own thoughts but in the end, a customer is a customer.
If I owned a gun shop and a man in drag came in I wouldn't give two shits unless he was stirring up trouble which applies to anyone.
>>30411941
I see gay men and minorities (mostly asian and black) at local gun shops all the time.
>>30412087
Depends. Say two gay men walk in looking for a gucci AR to show off to their friends and one of the 60 year old good old boys mutters 'faggots' just loud enough to hear. Shit could cost you a good sale.
I've got no idea how you handle that though. Whichever way you go, you're probably losing a customer, if not 2 or 3 more when word gets out.
>>30411941
It's called "your local gun shop," especially the big franchise stores.
>>30412153
I well can't control the actions of others. If it escalated, I'd probably tell the old guy to cool it.
If he has a problem with them, take it outside.
If he has a problem with me selling to prospective customers, then he can leave.
Hey, maybe the two guys will tell their friends and I'll have more rep among the LGBT community. Likewise I'll possibly lose some older customers.
Most of the gun shops in my area are catered to the younger/wealthy crowd anyways. Most older guys go to Cabelas and whatever.
You mean like a gunstore owned and run by patient and cool people who actually care about what they do and even find joy in introducing newcomers to gun ownership?
Yea, that sounds like a fantasy, OP.
>>30412674
kek
>continuous stories on /k/ of shitty exclusive behavior by gun store owners and staff
>"hey guys, do you think maybe gun stores can be a bit exclusive to certain demographics?"
>"never! Fucking SJWs, picking on me"
Cry more, you fucks are always complaining about fudds and retards who don't like people for the most insignificant shit, but assume they treat duh fags just fine?
>>30412995
>I didn't read the thread, the post
>>30412928
>Oklahoma
God bless my home state
I constantly see LGBT fags in my local gun shop trying out handguns.
I don't understand why the Left wants to disarm the people who are literally at the greatest threat of harm.
>>30411941
Nothing defeats the "Guns are for racist white male homophobes" stereotype than inviting a black friend to go shooting with you or going shopping for milsurp with a gay person. Not all minorities/gays/women are like their stereotypes, and neither are all gun owners. Gun ownership is a right for everyone, but yeah, it is pretty obvious that its only being exercised by a certain limited group of people. Before we go about worrying about changing policy, like OP insinuates by opening "safe space" gun stores, we need to take individual action to change the stereotype.
>have fren who was super anti-gun
>he's darker than wesley snipes
>took about a year of talking and range time to make into has pro/has guns (first gun as a henry AR7 used cheap and a nugget)
>decides to go to the range on his own one day
>goes to a range ive only been to once
>he tells me the following
>gets mean mugged the entire time
>rents FA weapon
>fat rso stands millimeters away from him like hes holding his first born premature kid
>buys 3 mags worth of 9mm
>they only gave him 2 and claimed the third was left on the counter so it was no longer his to shoot
>90 bucks for 10 minutes of FA
>tries to make conversation with range staff
>he just gets grunts and crossed arms in response
>decides to leave
>gets yelled at for not policing his brass (legitimate rule i suppose)
>comes to work next week dejected and embittered about guns
>isn't afraid to go to the range without me but prefers to have someone who knows what they are doing
>he didn't want to say they were racist but i could tell he was thinking it
>took a few more trips to different gun stores to point out how salty and rude most gun store employees are
mfw the fudds almost turned my new shooting buddy and fren against me. I can kinda understand why most gun store employees are angry all the god damned time and i too used to think it was just them being racist fucks but they aren't doing the proguns a favor thats for damn sure
>>30412928
but that's not even that high vis except for the orange and yellow!
>>30412928
what was this meant to imply, that they see gay people as targets?
>>30411941
To be fair that makes perfect sense in AZ. I hate getting weird looks from all the old, bald, white guys who think I'm some cholo gangbanger no matter what I wear or bring, even if I'm with (white) friends.
>>30411941
>4473 asks if mentally defective
>gender dysphoria
So a good lgbtbbqwtf that follows the law should mark yes, and void their background check.
>>30413003
>I didn't read the post, the reply
>>30413076
>I don't understand why the Left wants to disarm the people who are literally at the greatest threat of harm.
The left doesn't want to disarm them specifically, rather the left supports LGBT and is generally anti-gun. Rather what you should be asking is why there aren't more pro-gun LGBT people.
>>30413173
"Mentally defective" is pretty vague terminology, unless the form specifies what exactly it means by that you could argue that being religious qualifies as "mentally defective".
>>30411976
Judging by the way /k/ loses it's shit over racial politics, it's a very accurate meme.
Chances are if tyrone is buying a gun, he wont be found at your local gun store
>>30413204
>tips fedora.
>>30413232
Just dindus.
>>30413287
Have you considered the possibility that that might be because he doesn't feel welcome there?
>>30413287
>>30413293
>>30413307
>>30413436
>HAHAHA niggers and fags AMIRITE GUYS?
>make fun of religion
>HEY YOU TAKE THAT BACK YOU NIGGER LOVER FAGGOT.
Can we go ahead and rename this board /fud/ now?
>>30411941
There are 80 million + legal gun owners. Do these retards honestly belive every single one is a racist homophobic white man?
Same with gun stores, there are 130,000 stores. Not every single one of them is run by a 60 year old dude who uses the word negro.
These people are sheltered and retarded. Go to any gun store, expect to be treaded as a customer, but also act as a respectable human being. And I guarantee, there will be no problems. If there are, go to another store.
>>30413487
even worse than an athiest who is constantly insulting religion is someone who is deeply religious and has self respect so shallow that he's hurt by other peoples simple verbal opinion
everyone gets made fun of on the internet
that is the ultimate form of acceptance from your fellow man
>>30413387
>people commit crime
>people aren't comfortable around armed citizens
Who would have thought
>>30413293
>>30413436
Trannies and thumpers both think fantasy will become real if they just believe hard enough. There's no real difference.
>>30413553
I wasn't aware Tyrone had a criminal record before buying a gun.
>>30413594
Modern science is actually much closer to making sex changes possible than it is to making god real.
>>30411941
The Gun dude in Falls Church VA caters to a more "Starbucks" or "Apple Store" type experience. This person doesn't seem to have actively searched for such a place. One of this places criticisms is that the owner, or an employee, was overheard to have said that he isn't really a gun person. Which is basically the type of person they are trying to reach.
I hate that people's only experience with gun stores is what they see in movies. We should just gift hi-points to liberals so they would have to go to a gun store and actually go through the process.
Then they would see the anti-gunner's "we just want background checks" narrative is bullshit.
>>30411941
The actual problem is that those demographics have an obsession with having to be comfortable in whatever environment they are in. If they aren't comfortable in their work environment they actually consider it criminal and will seek legal counsel.
>>30411941
So basically that dope has never been to a cabelas or bass pro shop.
>>30411941
I'm 100% for fag and timid beta male friendly gun shops and shooting ranges. The more people on the left love guns, the easier it will be for the rest of us. Ranges, carry, social acceptance, standard-cap mags, black rifles, etc.
>>30413096
>buys 3 mags worth of 9mm
>they only gave him 2 and claimed the third was left on the counter so it was no longer his to shoot
So the guy working the counter was just straight up a thief?
>>30413810
pretty much
its an indoor shooting range in SC near Beaufort. he and I aren't the only ones with bad experiences there if i can remember the name and they are still open i'd show their website which is full of horrible reviews
the most common response is "they couldn't want us out of there hard enough"
>>30413730
Why do bears like Luna so much? I never understood that.
>>30413612
Good luck reassigning that chromosome, faggot.
Also google michio kaku proves god is real. Checkmate, athiestfag
>>30413958
>what are artificial wombs
Give us another decade or so to work on surgical implantation and immune system management.
>michio kaku proves god is real
Only if you take that weak-ass "God is everything and everything is God" stance. Pussy.
>>30413121
Probably.
>>30411941
It's not a bad idea to cater to these groups. Maybe somebody in or close to the Pink Pistols organization could start opening up shops and running CCW classes. You probably wouldn't even have to make the shops look any different than they usually do, just direct your marketing and hiring into those groups. People will start buying guns from their friends and it will just spider out into that community through word of mouth. That way even fudds could walk in by accident on their way to walmart and probably be none the wiser that they are in the gun shop equivalent of a gay bar. Soon there will be lgbtfudd love for everyone.
I work at a Cabela's in MI (I know, fucking sucks dick. Don't go there on the weekends) and I sold some revolvers to an older lesbian couple last week and they were genuinely nice folks, both had CPLs and talked about Orlando and how the media twists everything for its agenda. One of them even said to me "Armed gays dont get bashed".. Couldn't of been more proud
>>30412928
So are these guys married or do they just like shooting at gay flags?
>>30413958
>michio kaku
hahahahahahaha k
>>30414071
>lgbtfudd for everyone
I'd rather have them using guns instead of trying to outlaw them.
But I'm not really looking forward to some guy with a lisp informing me how I need to ditch that fad short action .308 and switch to God's chosen caliber instead.
>>30411941
Lol, the local lgs gun store near me that sells guns always has the same guy in there who is also black. I guess the racist owner is friends with a black guy or something. I've never actually seen the owner though.
>>30414201
Well would you be looking forward to anyone telling you to do that?
>>30414206
I bet it's his Uncle Tom
>>30414224
That was the joke. Clearly it wasn't a good one.
>>30411976
To be fair I get called a spic beaner and I see dindu and basketball American and other slurs all the time here on /k/
>>30413121
>YOU are my target
>>30413097
>>30413121
>>30414107
Look at all these fags
>>30414247
I thought it was good. A lot of people on 4choms just don't into humor.
>>30411941
>Caring about liberals shitty opinion
Why?
>>30414256
Yeah, but we say it with love.
Now go build me a wall, taco nigger.
>>30414286
don't make me impregnate your minor sister puto.
but seriously fellow mexicans stop having so many fucking kids
>>30414282
>MUH COPS ARE HEROES
LOL go fuck yourself with a flagpole faggot.
>>30411941
>Is gun culture too "exclusive" for trans, lgbt
>asking this on /k/
>>30414348
What a fucking "gamer gurl "
>>30411941
That's every gun store I know. Y'all fell for propaganda.
There's no one that "runs gun culture". What the hell is wrong with people.
>>30413958
>implying swyer's syndrome doesn't exist
>what are uterian transplants
>>30414335
dumbass
>>30414354
Would play vidya with and get sucked by. No butt stuff.
>>30414262
It's a very ambiguous image. I'd assume gay men would dress better, but I'm trying to rise above stereotyping.
>>30414362
spending all this money researching a problem for retards instead of on shit like the various cancers and what not is why were going to fail as a species
>>30411976
Lmao i was in the fudd gunstore last week and I heard obama was behind the orlando shooting and that America doesnt care about it because they were queers.
>>30414367
People post stupid ass shit, on every political issue, all day long on all social media. If shit like that still upsets you, I posit that you are actually the dumbass.
>>30414387
>researching stem cells, immunosuppression, and regenerative medicine is gonna make us fail as a species. Next time you wanna say something, just don't.
>>30414306
>don't make me impregnate your minor sister
Not if I get to 'er first!
>>30414316
The pastel horsey on Beardy's shirt.
>>30414415
He means that we are making God angry and he's gonna come back and give us all a spanking.
>>30411941
We have a range/shop that is made up of the friendliest people
I think it is a common misconception about gun owners being homophobes/womyn haters
At the heart of it is the right to bear arms. They might not like your choices on who you sleep with or what you wear. But I'll be damn ed if they don't want to show you the ropes and get a pistol/rifle in your hands. Because another armed law abiding citizen is a goddamn success in their book.
>>30414378
thx.
>>30414428
>Christians always hate science
Do people actually believe this meme?
>>30414396
being this much of a dumbass
Well golly if the homo trans (((minority))) snowflake crowd weren't the driving force behind anti-gun legislation, or the driving force behind violent criminal activity (thus further contributing to anti-gun legislation) perhaps they'd be more accepted among many firearms communities
>>30414428
Kinky.
>>30414445
>failing to memetext
>>30414444
Depends on what flavor of Christianity we are talking about.
Spic who lives in AZ here
Dunno where this nigger's going to shoot or buy shit because everywhere I've been people have been courteous and pretty bro-tier. I will say that the racist white dude meme is partially true, and a lot of other spics here are overly sensitive about things (I blame hispanic media, fucking hell is it a cesspool and needs to fucking disappear. It's literally dumber libshit) and sometimes it can be uncomfortable for both sides to interact with each other.
Just as long as you're not ghetto trash and are a normal and well-adjusted person you won't have any issues. I'm seen as red as rednecks can come apparently and stand out amongst other spics so maybe it's just that too
>>30413958
Chromosomes aren't really that important, they're just a blueprint. So saying they define your sex is kind of like saying a car made from steel salvaged from a battleship is still a battleship. When you can make a body that looks like and functions like that of the opposite sex, chromosomes don't matter so much.
>>30414428
>God makes defective humans
>gets mad at people for acknowledging those defects
>>30414256
Where do you think you are?
This is 4chan, we use the words nigger and faggot like punctuation.
>>30414449
Not to mention that often times gay groups are often the ones insulting the right, and they alienate people on the right just as much, if not more, than the right does to them.
>>30414449
> if the homo trans (((minority))) snowflake crowd weren't the driving force behind anti-gun legislation
I don't think they're the "driving force behind anti-gun legislation", they just share a party with them. I mean sure, there seem to be relatively few pro-gun lgbters, but they don't seem to be the ones campaigning against guns, either.
>the driving force behind violent criminal activity (thus further contributing to anti-gun legislation)
Isn't that mainly racial minorities? "Homo trans snowflakes" don't seem to be disproportionately responsible for violent crimes.
>>30414490
god i hope you aren't legally allowed to buy a gun
>>30414529
Why wouldn't I be? I don't have a criminal record of anything.
>>30414513
what is a niggerfaggot then?
>>30414552
you
>>30414529
>he said something completely accurate and all I can do is shitpost
>>30414547
i bet you do
>>30414577
we get it man you are trans and proud or gay and proud or furry and proud holy shit
>>30413204
>>30413293
>>30413436
Beilef in non-physical beings does qualify for schizophrenia according the DSM forms.
>>30413521
No, that's not worse. The atheist is being an asshole to everybody. The religious person is just being an asshole to himself.
>>30411941
They're being just a "racist" and exclusive as the people the claim to hate, at that point it becomes a "them against us" kind of situation and we all know who would win that fight.
>>30413612
If we could make God, we wouldn't NEED to.
>>30414282
Did they run them over with lawn mower?
>>30414513
On /b/ maybe
>>30414641
Nah 4chan in general is full of vitriol and abrasive as rule of thumb.
>>30414552
It's a fucking semicolon.
Then there's the rare figgernaggot, which is a comma next to a pair of upside down exclamation marks, each of which has half an umlaut.
>>30414695
laughed like a retard at figgernaggot
>>30414603
We get it man you're a /pol/fag that cries about things he doesn't like
>>30414394
>Lmao i was in the fudd gunstore last week and I heard obama was behind the orlando shooting
That's true, though.
>>30414695
>umlaut
You. I like you.
>>30414580
Nope, never been arrested or called into court or anything like that.
>>30414603
>damage control
>>30414734
What do you mean?
>>30414641
Welcome, summerfriend.
>>30414786
2007 since the mudkips pal
>>30414775
Secretly Obama was the shooter, I thought it was a pretty clear statement.
>>30414282
>bourgeoisie
Holy fuck, there are still pseudointellectual faggots that use that word unironically?
>>30414834
Was the armed cop in the bar, and the cops who eventually captured the "shooter" (who according to you is just a scapegoat), in on the plan too? Otherwise I think there would have been a needless risk of Obama getting shot.
>>30414775
Obvious false flag, just like the Jo Cox shooting in the UK.
>>30414882
The cops who eventually killed the "shooter", I mean.
>>30414734
No, Obama was behind Sandy Hoax. Orlando just happened because our government is incompetent at defending against terrorist attack despite all the tax money they cadge off of the citizens for it.
>>30411941
lol what the fuck.
I live in rural bumfuck SC and everyone at the local gun store/ranges is super nice, overly nice imo. Gun store people probably already know the stigma they have in the USA, so they act on their best behavior always from what I've noticed.
When I was 18 and went to a local range I was super shy almost autistic typical nerd. All the gun club old guys helped me out and were friendly, same with frequent customers and the sales people.
I'm a typical looking spic btw, so I fall into the PoC "other" group these libs group me in. You know, along with transsexuals.
>>30411941
>I've never actually been in a gunstore, the post
If you happen to come across some super fucking backwater fudd run private store that actually kicks you out because "I don't like that you're wearing a skirt" than just go to the other gunstore a few blocks down that isn't going out of business
>B-but, the people in there will look at me funny!
So basically the same thing that happens no matter where you go and something you should have thought about before you decided to mask your 5 o'clock shadow with absurd amounts of lipstick?
>>30413076
>I don't understand why the Left wants to disarm the people who are literally at the greatest threat of harm.
The best way I heard it put is that in general, the right uses guns for sport and self defense. The left mostly use guns to shoot each other. So leftists want to disarm everyone to avoid getting shot. The right sees this as "put down your gun so I can shoot you."
LBGT folks have suddenly realized homosexual hating Muslims are higher up on the left's privileged victim list and there is effectively an open season on them where Muslims are concerned. So they're doing what the rest of us are doing and gunning up.
God bless the left and their traitorous little hearts.
>>30414948
>mask your 5 o'clock shadow with absurd amounts of lipstick?
You mask stubble with concealer you pleb
>>30414394
Awww horrible that must've been for you. Hope you didn't get PTSD for a few hours after.
>>30414256
>beaner can't handle the bantz
I'm pajeet and have gotten called names, no big deal. Who gives a shit, it's usually a whiskey tango trailer park fuck anyway so who cares. I'll openly shit on their streets, idgaf.
>>30415008
That is not a man. You are not going to sit there and tell me that that is a man in a really convincing woman costume.
You're just not.
Don't do this to me.
>>30414256
you also see britcuck and swede being used as slurs, whats your point?
>>30415091
It's pretty obvious that that's a dude, I have bad news for you anon...
>>30411941
to koral king,
if you're intimidated by a white dude selling guns
you shouldn't be buying guns.
>>30415091
That's literally the point. Just because she has a penis and a Y chromosome doesn't mean she's a man.
>>30413487
>unironically liking/defending niggers
kill yourself, dipshit.
>>30415098
Brit cuck is used to refer to their laws, not just for being them.
>>30414890
Orlando wasn't so much a "false flag" as a "catch and release." The Feebs knew he was a risk. The let him go knowing he was going to go full Snackbar.
>not enough evidence to charge or arrest him
Please. It's the fucking Eff Bee Aye. If they wanted the guy in jail, they would have "found" whatever evidence they needed.
>>30415196
Niggers are fine, just as long as they aren't niggers about it.
>>30415216
so when they are dead then.
>>30415196
This.
Don't have to be black to be a nigger.
Well, we have special queer parades, special queer choruses, special queer softball teams, special queer bars, and special queer everything else. Maybe the Pink Pistols can team up with Magpul to make open a special queer gun shop and sell special queer firearms with rainbow furniture.
And if you keep it up with the militant group-identity bullshit, that's exactly what you're going to have to do.
>>30415209
laws don't come out of midair, jose.
Look at Minnesota, its filled with swedes and its just as a cucked up state as Sweden. That's not a coincidence.
>>30415233
Hey Phil. Still fapping to gay porn?
>>30411976
You ever go into a gun store before?
>>30415228
There are tons of non-nigger niggers, anon. Black Science Man comes to mind.
>>30415195
Biologically it does. Gender when it's reduced to a "social construct" and no longer married to biology as an alternative word for a physical, biological sex, sure. You can have a man with a vagina and no balls and XX chromosomes.
But outside of your intersectional feminist critical theory frankfurt school of marxism lala land occupied by conspiring sociologists and tenured tweed wearing professors, this "she's a woman with a penis and Y chromosome" thing is like saying, "My cardboard box is a trans-television because it has one on the surface."
If you're just going to disregard chromosomes as mere instructions then by this logic there's absolutely no difference between humans or any other animal. I mean, it's all just instructions and code, right? Then clearly, it's not beastiality if I were to fuck a skunk.
>>30415272
>there's absolutely no difference between humans or any other animal
There really isn't. Humans are just smarter than everything else.
>it's not beastiality if I were to fuck a skunk
No, it is. Still, there's nothing wrong with that. If that skunk doesn't want the dick, it has a very pointed way of letting you know.
>>30414547
Because you're mentally ill?
>>30413173
It says "adjudicated mentally defective," which has a specific meaning that isn't the same as mentally ill.
"adjudicated mentally defective' means that a JUDGE has decided that you are either incapable of caring for yourself due to extreme problems, or you are a danger to yourself and others.
It's got nothing to do with how strongly you think you were born incorrect, or how strongly you believe in the reptilian Illuminati.
The culture should remain exclusive so it doesn't dilute itself and LGBTWTFBBQ types will try and make it about themselves.
>>30415291
Except for all the differences, it's the same. But you try an organ transplant with a chimpanzee or a sheep, shit'll go south, son. And you won't be able to reproduce, since we're not built to reproduce outside our species.
The differences DO matter. Disregarding them is just doublethink. "Disregarding how I'm wrong, how am I NOT right?"
>>30411941
while the guy sounds like a raging homosexual and make no valid points. Some LGS are pure shit almost on Local Comic Shop neckbeard level.
>>30415195
>This is what trans actually believe
It's in your rights to put on a shitty wig and pretend no one notices your shoulder to hip ratio and man hands, but it's also my right to call you a he as much as I want.
>>30411941
>facebook acount
>fake name, no profile picture
clearly just your classic shit stirrer.
>>30415327
But anon, the government bends over backwards for fags, if we have more fags talking about how guns are good the government will never try to touch the things.
>>30411976
I was told a place didn't sell AKs or AK mags/ammo because "AKs are nigger guns."
While OPs fb feed is obviously filled with professional victims, and I personally laugh at that timid little man behind that post because he's judging people he's never met because he thinks they are judging people they've never met. (I get it though, leftists are allowed to be racists).
Of course, I am more of an objective thinker and understand that stereotypes come from somewhere whether the perception is right or wrong. If it isn't the lazy thug Mexican stealing bikes or the uneducated unemployed black guy with 15 kids, all with different moms shooting rival brothers over perceived status, it is the fudd white guy with the "ain't nobama gonna take my guns and bible" bumper sticker working at the gun store.
While he's still a stupid fucking leftist that can't understand not everyone will think like him, he's not entirely wrong.
>>30414615
>, that's not worse. The atheist is being an
nah man muslim extreamist are ass holes to every one. religious assholes are worse then the smug atheist. smug atheist wont kill you although he will eat all your whole foods and trader joes products
>>30415272
>thing is like saying, "My cardboard box is a trans-television because it has one on the surface."
That would be accurate if there was no such thing as medical transition. We have HRT and GRS, in a few decades it will probably be possible to create functional cross-sex reproductive systems. When your cardboard box has a display screen behind a cutout and is connected to a reciever, it is for all intents and purposes a TV set, even if it began life as a cardboard box.
>If you're just going to disregard chromosomes as mere instructions then by this logic there's absolutely no difference between humans or any other animal. I mean, it's all just instructions and code, right? Then clearly, it's not beastiality if I were to fuck a skunk.
The instructions aren't what matters, it's physically what the being is that matters. If a wizard came along and turned that skunk into a human, then no, it wouldn't be bestiality, even if it still had skunk DNA.
>>30415304
According to who?
>>30415340
Sure, just as I have a right to call my car a battleship.
>>30415091
That is me, friendo
>>30415328
What in the shit does bestiality have to do with reproduction? Do you really think animals don't fuck for pleasure?
>>30415367
>Of course, I am more of an objective thinke
Oh god, anon. U dun it nao, boy. Consequences will never be the same. I hope you like fedora memes.
>>30415018
nahh but I got ptsd when Hillary Clinton raped me
>>30415403
Tell me you're a gril. Tell me you have something RESEMBLING a vagina, at the very least! You aren't Thai enough for me to accept as a ladyboy.
>>30415402
But we don't have wizards. We only have engineers who can make a copper spool into a table by turning it sideways and calling it a table. It's not a table, it's a copper wire spool you set stuff on.
Medical transition is not real. You can adopt characteristics, but you will be stuck medicating yourself to keep up the illusion. You'll also lower your lifespan by literal decades as well as raise the risk of committing suicide, even post transition. It's called medical transition because it's the closest thing we have, and what it really amounts to is curing mental illness by baptism in a church. Effectively society is recognizing the establishment of a belief system that reduces male and female pronouns to a choice, they just switch out "soul" for "gender."
>>30415414
The purpose of an asshole is to produce poop. It is not a vagina because you can insert things into it for pleasure.
>>30411941
Florida guy here
Listened to the owner of my favorite gunshop was congratulating a customer on getting married. A two guy marriage, they got into a discussion about where to go hunting this year, his SO does not hunt but kinda needed something to do while he was out in the field. As far as other gunshops I know a couple of gay guys and a gay girl that are regulars at my favorite range. Since they are pretty obvious and no one seems to give a damn I think it's a over sensitivity response. I know a guy that lives as a Marilyn Monroe tribute (has down everything but the voice) that is just a damn .45 zealot. Carries a SW 1911 tactical in his purse. Don't raise a suggestion about anything other than .45 and you get along just fine.
>>30415484
>It's not a table, it's a copper wire spool you set stuff on
A table is something that you sit around and set stuff on.
>>30415446
I have a donger currently.
>>30415515
You could have lied to me, you know.
You should have lied to me.
>>30415484
>female pronou
I still don't see why people stick things in their pooper and expect a good outcome I looking at the fag who stuck his shot gun up his ass and had to get rescued by the paramedics
>>30415521
At least he's got boipussy.
>>30411941
Agree with him, establish common ground, enhance the potential of people who see it coming to appreciate out community.
There ya go. Politics.
>>30413204
>>30413293
>>30413436
>>30413594
>>30414609
>>30415304
>Mentally ill meme.
>>30415240
If you think that half this country doesn't live in states that are worse than Minnesota, you need to take another Psuedoephdrine out of your Laurence Fishburne Pez dispenser.
Yeah, we've got a ways to go before we've got all our rights back (Laws change slower in the Midwest, we're still digging out of the bullshit enacted in the 60s, but we haven't lost any ground since 94), however our laws and jurisprudence on use of force are far better than Florida's or many others.
If Pulse had been in Minnesota, the fags could have carried inside...
>>30415361
No they'll still take them the government values taking away normal people's things over fag feelings.
>>30415508
>Since they are pretty obvious and no one seems to give a damn
>in his purse
Reading shit like this makes my will to gtfo out of this state when I graduate even stronger. What a fucking sewer this state is.
>>30415261
you haven't been around enough blacks then. all except a very small fraction of blacks are in solidarity with one another. from millionaire blacks to the most ghetto niggers possible.
you can't be friends with niggers the way you can with whites, asians, or hispanics. they will always have a chip on their shoulder, and if they are in a herd and you aren't black then they will very easily turn against you.
#Lovewins
#Notanillness
>>30415545
If you feel an urge to mutilate your genitals, you are mentally ill.
If you think there is nothing aberrant about wanting to mutilate your genitals, then you are mentally ill.
Its 2016
>>30415561
>you haven't been around enough blacks then.
ems here. clearly neither of have you.
>>30415563
Jesus christ.
Invest in pesticide futures people.
>>30415545
why couldn't you have been at that faggot bar in Orlando. Oh well, hopefully you go the way Matthew Shepherd went.
>>30415563
what the actucall fuck in the hell did I just read. litealy execute them no questions asked
>>30415585
yeah tell me about your token nigger partner, you dumb faggot. meanwhile i'll continue working and living in a nigger infested city.
>>30411959
/Thread
>>30415561
You're the whitest nigger here, my friend.
>>30415610
>city
that's your mistake
>>30415402
>Sure, just as I have a right to call my car a battleship
Sorry to break it to you but if you glue wheels onto a battleship it's still a battleship, just like if you have a penis you're a man.
Sorry pal, that's just how the real world works, when you can get a real, functional vagina capable of producing offspring then we'll talk about you being a woman, until then you're a man no matter how much makeup you put on.
>>30415626
>if they are in a herd and you aren't black then they will very easily turn against you.
should have kept reading or did your hick brain overload before you got there?
of course if you live in bum fuck nowhere with 1% black population they'll pretend to act normal since they don't have the numbers to show their true nature and get away with it.
>>30415623
>only whites hate niggers
lmao
>>30415628
>vagina
>capable of producing offspring
My god, you're retarded. But then, you're probably a Bushboi, so I'm not surprised.
>>30415599
is this real I am too scared to leave my house now... why why what is wrong with people
>>30415484
>as raise the risk of committing suicide, even post transition
The suicide rates are not a consequence of transition, but of the underlying medical condition (gender dysphoria). Medical transition, if successful, actually reduces the suicide rates.
>>30415628
>Sorry pal, that's just how the real world works, when you can get a real, functional vagina capable of producing offspring then we'll talk about you being a woman, until then you're a man no matter how much makeup you put on.
That definition of "woman" is inconsistent unless you also think infertile women aren't women.
>>30415649
>He said vagina instead of uterus! Thank god, now I can ignore everything else he said and not have to face the truth.
>>30415663
this is patently false. Swedish studies confirm rates actually incease post transition.
The only places you can find written evidence of suicide rates going down post-transition are places perpetuating the gender cult. IE, cosmetic surgery places and trans rights organizations, not much different from Christian organizations promoting their "pray the gay away" success numbers.
>>30411941
I hate Tumblrinas too anon but yes, it is.
One of the biggest threats to gun ownership continuing to be accepted in the US is the stigma that we're all racists. We should all do a better job of reaching out to minority and LGBT friends and letting them know that it's normal to practice their gun rights, and that they're welcome at the range with us.
I've been to a lot of gun stores where people are doing a fine job of this, and I've been to some where the owner, employees, and clientele casually throw around "color commentary" which, if not always overtly racist, is definitely enough to make someone who isn't white feel pretty uncomfortable/unsafe.
How would you like it if you went to a store and everyone in there was armed and WE WUZ KANGS types who think that white people are the creation of an evil scientist?
>>30415650
They're real
Anal Cancer Rise in Gay Men Prompts Calls for Vaccinations
http://www.lifesitenews.com/blogs/anal-cancer-rise-in-gay-men-prompts-calls-for-vaccinations
Attack of the Killer Dykes!
http://www.breitbart.com/london/2015/05/07/attack-of-the-killer-dykes/
College Allows Transgender Man to Expose Himself to Young Girls
http://radio.foxnews.com/toddstarnes/top-stories/college-allows-transgender-man-to-expose-himself-to-young-girls.html
CDC: 94 to 95 Percent of HIV Cases Among Young Men Linked to Gay Sex
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/cdc-94-to-95-percent-of-hiv-cases-among-boys-and-young-men-linked-to-gay-se
CDC Warns Gay Men of 'Epidemic' HIV Rates
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/epidemic-1-2-of-gay-men-will-have-hiv-by-age-50-if-current-rates-continue-w
Comparative Data of Childhood and Adolescence Molestation in Heterosexual and Homosexual Persons
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11501300
>>30415650
Just listen to the media and believe their bullshit about how they're all wonderful, normal people who just want healthy lives. Utter one word against it and you're a homophobe. Welcome to 2016
>>30415680
A woman is a human being with functioning XX chromosomes, with our without reproductive dysfunction, malformation or disease.
A trans person is someone born one sex but has a gender identity disorder issue (a brain problem) that tells them they are supposed to be the other sex.
They couldn't win the "I'm a woman despite having a penis" argument, so they simply appropriated the word gender and made it mean whatever they wanted to.
>>30415645
yes im sure the ER docs and neurologists i work with would certainly revert into niggers at a moments notice. White people on the other hand would never act like niggers under any circumstances. Oh no, not at all. Our medical director is black btw, he hates niggers more than any of us
>>30415680
>wom·an
>noun
>an adult human female
>fe·male
>adjective
>1.
>of or denoting the sex that can bear offspring or produce eggs, distinguished biologically by the production of gametes (ova) that can be fertilized by male gametes
>>30415686
We can create artificial uterii. How long do you think it will be, in your honest opinion, before we figure out how to implant said uterii into men who wish they had been born women?
>>30415716
>How would you like it if you went to a store and everyone in there was armed and WE WUZ KANGS types who think that white people are the creation of an evil scientist?
I would walk out and go to a different store. What's the problem?
Also, judging by that description I would probably get mugged/carjacked before I even reached the store.
>>30411941
>Is gun culture too "exclusive" for trans, lgbt, physically challenged brown women?
Probably. A lot of people who fetishize guns are insecure xenophobes, clinging to their guns for precisely that reason.
That's not to say all of them are, but enough within the media (like ted nugent) where it turns a lot of people off. I'd say most liberals have disdain for guns moreso because it's directly associated with inbred midwestern racists than any other reason.
>>30415740
Look, nurse, just because he's not chimping out at work like most of them do, doesn't mean shit. Good for you, you know a doctor or two that doesn't have his head up his watermelon ass. Good for you.
>>30415716
>How would you like it if you went to a store and everyone in there was armed and WE WUZ KANGS types who think that white people are the creation of an evil scientist?
I would have found my new favorite gun store
>>30415756
I'm okay with niggers. I'm okay with queers. I'm okay with basically anything that doesn't infringe on my Constitutional rights.
I am not okay with niggers talking shit about Ted motherfucking Nugent.
>>30415599
dude wtf
where is this from and why aren't these people in jail? i hope this is satire or a "joke"
>>30415593
If I'd have been there, I'd have been carrying illegally, because those cucks in Florida aren't allowed to carry in bars, and they need to submit a fingerprint card to get their carry permit.
I don't get you insecure little bitches problem with faggots, it's just another man who isn't in competition with you. What more could you want out of a dude?
Fun fact: The guys who took Matt out riding almost certainly did it because they didn't want to admit to themselves that they wanted to take Matt our "riding".
Brokeback motherfuckers, I've never met a man from Wyoming who knew what to do with a woman without having to watch a couple horses go at it first.
>>30415717
>lifesitenews.com
kys desu senpai
>>30415716
>How would you like it if you went to a store and everyone in there was armed and WE WUZ KANGS types who think that white people are the creation of an evil scientist?
>implying I'm white
but if I was I think I'd go elsewhere or pic related
>>30415748
No idea, could be tomorrow, could be 1000 years, it doesn't matter.
The point is until that thing is in you, you're objectively male.
>>30415764
you know those comics with the cartoon character who meekly passes one black guy then cries and then gets mad and shitposts on /pol/ about niggers? that's you
>>30415802
>objectively
Stop misusing this word.
>>30415792
Its no joke
Child Molestation and Homosexuality
http://www.familyresearchinst.org/2009/02/child-molestation-and-homosexuality-2/
Children of Homosexual Parents Report Childhood Difficulties
http://www.familyresearchinst.org/2009/02/children-of-homosexual-parents-report-childhood-difficulties-2/
Comparing the Lifestyles of Homosexual Couples to Married Couples
http://www.frc.org/get.cfm?i=IS04C02
Deadly Meningitis Outbreak Hits NYC Gay Community
http://www.inquisitr.com/585603/deadly-meningitis-outbreak-hits-nyc-gay-community/
Everyone Should Know These Statistics on Homosexuals
http://www.traditioninaction.org/HotTopics/a02rStatistcs.html
Frightening Gay Statistics
http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Evils%20in%20America/Sodomy/frightening_gay_statistics.htm
Gay Youths 148% More Likely to Be Physically Abused in Relationships: DOJ-Funded Report
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/gay-youths-148-more-likely-to-be-physically-abused-in-relationships-doj-fun
Growing Up with Gay Parents: What's the Big Deal?
http://www.aleteia.org/en/lifestyle/article/growing-up-with-gay-parents-whats-the-big-deal-1-5869643663147008
>>30415240
I live in Minnesota. Literally all I had to do to get a permit to purchase was submit to a background check, and it came in the mail a week later.
I'd have to submit to one when I buy a gun anyway, so I don't see how that's cuck. Please elaborate.
>>30415756
Not that this site is representative, but /lgbt/ and /k/ crossboarding seems to have gone up with recent events, and more of /lgbt/ seems interested in getting armed. Pink Pistols now have more attention and more interested people, &c.
With :GBT not being 'oppressed enough' for the left compared to muslims, a lot more are realizing that armed gays don't get bashed and buying guns is good.
I guess we can be the change we want to see for those that want more people owning and liking guns.
>>30415817
>traditioninaction
>jesus-is-savior
You aren't even trying to hide your bias anymore.
>>30415807
you know those faggots who jerk off in the corner while some black doctor fucks their chick? that's you
>>30415716
>One of the biggest threats to gun ownership continuing to be accepted in the US is the stigma that we're all racists.
maybe stop being a racist then?
>>30413901
She's best princess you pleb.
>>30415694
>this is patently false. Swedish studies confirm rates actually incease post transition.
Incorrect. All that study shows is that post-transition suicide rates are higher than the GENERAL POPULATION. And even the author of that study has pointed out that "suicide rates increase after transition" is a false interpretation.
>The only places you can find written evidence of suicide rates going down post-transition are places perpetuating the gender cult.
Isn't Sweden one of those places?
>>30415735
>A woman is a human being with functioning XX chromosomes, with our without reproductive dysfunction, malformation or disease.
So someone born with XY chromosomes and a vagina (which actually is known to happen) isn't a woman? Someone with XX chromosomes and a vagina but born with only one arm isn't a woman?
>>30415746
>of the sex that can bear offspring
Women are of that sex, which isn't to say one must be able to able to bear offspring to be a woman.
>>30415740
>strawman
i never said all blacks are bad, but the vast majority is, nor have i said that all whites are good. the point remains that most blacks are going to be among the worst "humans" you'll meet. if i talk to a stranger for whatever reason and s/he isn't black i can expect the encounter to be neutral or positive. for blacks it will be most likely negative and at best neutral. they score the lowest on standardized tests, commit the most violent crimes, and you denying that won't change a thing.
also, judging by how many blacks the hospital you work at employs it sounds like you're in a trashy area and are most likely trashy yourself so you're probably used to the normal behavior of niggers.
>>30415826
Phil dropped his trip
>>30415830
based on his posts it's pretty clear that he's most likely a nigger himself or some part nigger mutt.
>>30415809
>ob·jec·tive (É™b-jÄ•k′tÄv)
>adj.
>1. a. Existing independent of or external to the mind; actual or real
>b. Based on observable phenomena; empirical
>2. Uninfluenced by emotions or personal prejudices
Physically you have male genitalia and male chromosomes, in every physical sense you are a male, it's only in your mind that you're a woman.
You are, by dictionary definition, objectively a male.
>>30415792
>why aren't these people in jail?
Because the state is not omniscient, and even it it was, it really doesn't give a shit about the people.
>>30415563
>>30415579
>>30415599
>>30415637
>>30415717
>Sexual deviants have deviant sexuality, news at 11.
There are 9 billion people on this rock. The problem is that the internet has allowed the shittiest, weirdest .01% find each other, and there's damn near a million of them. It only takes finding 10 people who share your opinions for the average person to create a homogeneous social hugbox that makes them immune to social censure, and the internet means that you don't even need to actually meet them in order to count them towards your 10 count.
If you want to give the state the power to find these hugboxes, break them, and take the participants to jail for abominable behavior, you want to give the state the power to know everything about you and the power to destroy your life the moment the state decides your behavior us undesirable.
>>30415818
Just because the burden is light, doesn't mean it's not a burden. I'll agree with you that 180 million+ Americans have it worse than Minnesota, but we aren't in a utopia.
>>30415855
A woman is a female, and a female must have the potential biology to bear a child, aka, a uterus, vagina, and overies.
Even if for some reason a woman is infertile, she still possess all the organs necessary for child birth.
>>30415934
Oh, I know that. MN needs castle law, Stand Your Ground, and more fucking ranges in the twin cities. God dammit.
If you walk into a shop screaming you suck dick and you don't have a pair of tits do you really expect to be treated like a normal person?
I don't like celery, i'm not going to pretend to like it to coddle your feelings.
How does anyone even know your alphabet soup sexuality? You project it bigger than an out door theater. You're like a vegan who goes to a sushi bar and spends the entire time complaining about the room full of murderers.
>>30415825
honestly, i never see guns becoming popular within the liberal communities.
first of all, they are more concerned with being morally self-righteous and pious than they are with self preservation. the "but the children!!!!!!!!!" arguments would buckle them at the knees ending up a sobbing wreck capitulating to whatever propaganda even if they personally don't ideologically agree. liberals are far too susceptible to browbeating over morality, that's an inherent trait of liberals.
only the identity politic people who lean to the right would really ever defend gun rights, so log cabin republicans. maybe militant black power groups but I don't even think exist anymore as liberals cannibalized them for not being PC.
>>30415855
You will not be able to show me an example of someone born with a functioning vagina that has XY chromosomes. You're thinking of intersexed conditions and genital malformation diseases.
Arms and legs are not genitals and have nothing to do with your sex. Your sexual and reproductive organs and sexual characeristics (primary and secondary) do. Which all depend on the expression of your chromosomes.
You don't have to have offspring to be a woman, but you need to be a woman to be a woman, not a man. This blank slateism is wishful thinking that doesn't logically work.
You can no more become a woman through surgery than you could surgically alter yourself to look and function like a dolphin. Body modification doesn't change your sex or your species, it just lets you play pretend a little better. You shouldn't get the same recognition and society shouldn't be forced to play along with your lifestyle.
>>30415557
This place is pretty good compared to the other shitholes in the US.
Plus we have a full on pro-fun governor.
>>30415958
I'd want to get rid of the permits as a higher priority than SYG, because we basically already have SYG through jurisprudence.
I also want us to finish normalizing our NFA regs, so that if the Hughes Amendment ever gets knocked out I'm not still looking for a Colt 641, I can just Form 1 an 80%.
After CD and SYG, then we need to look at Constitutional Carry, and a RKBA amendment to the state Constitution.
>>30415971
Definitely not in the hardcore liberal groups, but in some of the groups that are aligned with the left purely out of shared interests, that is more likely.
At least, among LGBT groups there is a bit of a shift from the left going on, with all the trends tumblr and such are making and how vicious they are as soon as someone disagrees with them. There is at least potential there to go "see what happens when you rely on them for protection, and they turn against you? I can teach you how to only have to rely on yourself and not get assaulted by once allies for disagreeing with them". The browbeating morality the left has been employing more and more as of late has been turning people away from them. Question becomes thus getting the maligned groups allied with someone else.
>>30415571
That's not my point, my velcro glove wearing friend.
The point is that the LAW says fuck all about MENTAL ILLNESS.
The law says "Adjudicated Mentally Defective," which is not mere mental illness. A mental defective isn't just nutty, he's nutty enough the COURTS, think he can't tell that it's wrong to kill people. He's so nutty, they stuck him in a monitored care facility against his will for a significant period of time.
Or maybe he's such a moron he makes you look smart, and is unable to care for himself.
That's what the 4473 is asking about, not depression, not the belief that a man's ass is a better place for a cock than your mother's gaping chasm, not the belief that a cock about as useless as yours might be better off sliced off, turned inside out, and sewn into a facsimile of a vagina, not the belief that Wicca existed more than 50 years ago, not the belief that the Earth is 6,000 years old.
It's about being too fucking around the bend to know that killing is wrong or too fucking stupid to be trusted with a stove and a set of kitchen knives.
>>30416123
If you think wanting to mutilate your genitals isn't "mentally defective", then YOU are mentally defective.
>>30411941
>tfw I know a black guy and a gay that work at two different shops/ranges
>>30416134
If you think that cosmetic self harm is a reason to take away someone's human rights, you are a bootlicking statist who's only not down at the barracks servicing his betters because they don't agree with him.
Get the fuck out of other people's lives. If you don't, how can you expect them to stay the fuck out of yours?
>>30416201
>genital mutilation
>cosmetic self harm
Jesus christ you really are mentally ill.
>>30415830
>>30415871
wow edgy! great job! sure showed me
now how about you go outside instead of just jerking off to stormfront and only trying to meet people that confirm your biases
>>30412928
> not painting their targets UN blue
Faggots.
>>30416201
Given how it's now considered a felony to call someone with a penis a man, I'd say those other people are in my life. And they're screwing things up for 98.1% of the population for the 1.8%
>>30415944
Okay, so if someone is born male, but has a uterus, vagina, and ovaries, but infertile, they're a woman?
>>30415886
There's no such thing as "objectively male", because "male" is a category created by human culture. Having a penis and XY chromosomes are objective realities, putting someone into a category based on that is not.
I don't understand why this is even an issue nor why you're even fucking arguing about it.
They are looking for any remaining niche hobbyist community that has "too many" white people because whites are being demographically replaced by mass immigration.
>>30416214
It's not like they were gonna use it for it's purpose, and if they were, would you really want them to breed?
The fact that you actually give a fuck about what other people do with their dicks and pussies is fucking hilarious. Do you really think it's your business?
Do you really think that you stopping them is going to do you any good?
Do you really think there's any reason why you should have that right?
Meditate on what freedom requires. Real freedom, and not just the mere absence of an overlord like watering the tree can achieve for you. And then ask those questions of yourself again.
Why are you allowed to make decisions for them if they are not allowed to make decisions for you?
>>30416285
I don't care about their dicks. But their desire to mutilate themselves DOES speak to their general mental state. These people are deranged and unhinged, as surely as any schizophrenic. They shouldn't even be allowed to roam the streets, they should all be in institutions.
If they were all in institutions, then we wouldn't need to worry about whether or not they have second amendment rights. Anyone who can't handle the full set of American rights should not be allowed to be free. That's the only sensible way to handle this.
>>30416244
Again, if you're born with a functioning uterus, vagina and ovaries, and XX chromosomes, you're a woman. Gender is the shadow of sex, not even concurrently important.
>>30416244
Male is a word humans created _specifically_ to distinguish the characteristics of someone whom has sperm and a penis as well as other traditionally masculine traits. It's not a gender. Gender as a separate thing from sex is a postmodern invention created solely to give credibility to transexuality. It has no legs.
Having a penis and XY chromosomes are objective realities of being male sexed. Having a male physiology and neurology are objective realities. Having a female neurology in an XY body is a medical problem, not its own gender.
There is no such thing as objectively gendered, as gender has been co-opted as an alternative word for sex to mean an imaginary state of being male or female independent of your physical reality characteristics. In which case Splendor should be a thing; your Splendor is your species, decoupled from the physical reality of your body. You may look human, but your Splendor is actually that of an 8 year old dragon. There is no objective human species, only code and meat.
>>30416244
>There's no such thing as "objectively male", because "male" is a category created by human culture.
Male is a biological term, you can tell because we extend the term to fishes and insects and parts of a flower.
Man, He, Him, those are social terms. Please respect the difference.
>>30416241
>Given how it's now considered a felony to call someone with a penis a man,
Pull the other one. You aren't allowed to bully a fucked up little kid to the point of suicide, but that's hardly the same thing.
Did you know that prior to
>current year
there wasn't any real law about who was allowed to go in which bathroom, except for laws about sexual harassment, that would only come into play if you weren't there to go to the bathroom.
I think it's hilarious that moralists are so freaked out about a faggy little boy sitting down to pee that they're gonna force him to use the same toilet as their sons.
Guess what? The odds are way better that he's going to be having sex in the bathroom if you force him to use the same bathroom as the kids who don't think they are girls.
>>30416277
Have more kids if you're worried about this.
Maybe also act in such a way that you can gain some allies who would otherwise be opposed to you because they are single issue voters on a subject that doesn't affect you.
>>30416244
> so if someone is born male, but has a uterus, vagina, and ovaries, but infertile, they're a woman?
Hypothetically speaking if you could put what is for all intents and purposes legitimate female genitalia (a inverted penis doesn't count) into a male and then have that genitalia be potential capable of bearing a child (even an infertile woman with no eggs can become pregnant through in vitro fertilization) then sure, at that point I'd call it a woman.
As far as I know such a thing doesn't exist yet or is so extremely fucking rare that it applies to basically no trannies.
>because "male" is a category created by human culture
Tell that almost every vertebrate species on Earth. This is why I hate trannies, they'll ignore even the most basic of fucking science because they want everyone who clearly see them as what they are and not they want to be to cater to them.
>This thread
>>30416319
Protip: schizos aren't banned from buying guns either, unless they've been committed involuntarily for a big chunk of time.
AND ITS A NON-ISSUE.
The vast majority of violent crime is not committed by the insane. We only have laws against the insane being armed because it's low hanging fruit, an easy boogieman that can be exploited to create the idea that there are people who don't have the right to be armed.
>>30416391
You are a horrible anon.
>>30416402
All schizos should be involuntarily committed indefinitely.
If all crazies were committed, then what rights they do or do not have would be a non-issue.
ITT
fuccibois trying to convince us to consider trans people mentally healthy
It just ain't happening. Fulfilling their fantasy that they somehow changed their gender and are now male or female is just perpetuating their fucked up delusion that sex can simply be reassigned
I want transfags and gender whatever people to leave this planet. Or at least keep that shit to themselves
>>30411941
>How to tell that person has never been into a gun store, ever
As long as you're not a criminal/idiot and your cash is green, gun stores don't fucking care that you're a poofter.
>>30416418
>Just take away all their rights, then the question about whether they deserve rights is not an issue.
Got it, so you think the state's power over the individual should be absolute and arbitrary.
Provide a reason why your bootlicker beliefs approach logic at all.
>>30416439
What is the purpose of government, if not to remove crazies?
>>30416439
>People diagnosed with a pre existing SERIOUS mental illness like schizophrenia should be able to own weapons
I just don't get it
Shit's just not fuckin' logical captain. Common sense does not equal bootlicker
>>30416423
>those eyes
goddam he sold his soul a long time ago. I think 'Jack and Jill' was what finally did him in, now he savors the sweet release of death.
>>30416439
>>30416455
The American federal government has no business deciding who may or may not own firearms.
>>30416448
Go read the Federalist Papers, you fucking retard.
Until then, go back to /pol/. You're fagging /k/ up worse than the faggots are.
>>30416448
Have you even heard of political abuse of psychiatry?
Because they would forcibly commit all gun owners in America and then Euthanize them if they could.
Dianne Kikestein, Michael Bloomberg, Chuck Schumer, and the rest really are that fucking crazy and you know it.
>>30416498
What do the Federalist papers have to say about the mentally ill?
>>30416480
You still haven't answered why it's logical to arm people with a mental illness that causes them to lose grip on reality and become potentially dangerous to themselves and the people around them. Have you ever met a schizophrenic anon? Do you know what schizophrenia entails?
Do you know why we have institutions for these people? Why we don't let them wander around the street if we can help it
Again, you still haven't provided any good reasons as to why these people should still be able to own weaponry
protop: Except for muh amendment, you can't ;-)
>>30416510
"Logical" ?
Why does a god-given human right need to meet this seemingly arbitrary criteria for justification now?
>>30411941
If you stay away from the fudds (scroll down for more information) then no it really isn't "exclusive." I would rather people like Korel King take a page from 80's LGBT activists and just go about your business without giving a shit. If anyone does starts shit you have the great equalizer, removing a belligerent retard from the world is doing everyone a service.
>>30416033
>>30415958
We're one of those states that are in the gray area regarding duty to retreat but we're absolutely a castle law state.
>>30416423
>fuccibois trying to convince us to consider trans people mentally healthy
Nope, what I'm trying to drill into your skull is that perfect mental health shouldn't be a prerequisite to personhood in the eyes of the state.
Chekists are always so certain they're going to the be the ones choosing the lishenets.
>>30416466
he's a big guy
nice dubs
>>30416504
Political abuse of psychiatry in America was rare. There were a handful of isolated incidents that got blown out of proportion by the media.
We used to have institutions all across America filled with crazies. Not political dissidents. We're not fucking Russians. They were filled to the brim with genuinely crazy people.
Now those people are all free, roaming the streets.
And because of it, we now have social pressure to infringe the rights of ALL Americans.
Our government has abdicated it's duty to keep society safe from lunatics. With that, the rest inevitably crumbles.
>>30411941
The range I go to in Orlando seems to have a pretty decent mix of people. I've seen disabled people shooting, lots of women, and just about every other race there, none of them getting any different treatment. As long as they're being safe, no one is given a hard time or being thrown out for no reason.
>>30416540
>Political abuse of psychiatry in America was rare
It still happens to this day.
>>30416540
>we're not fucking Russians
the US instituted sterilization programs on native american women and hispanic/black women, as well as our current prison system existing solely to put you in prison for smoking weed while black.
>>30411941
Amusingly, shooting is one of the most inclusive sports there is. The gun doesn't discriminate, and more allies against people wanting to fuck with our hobby is always welcome. Sure you get the odd grumpy dicksuck Fudd who's all "Shewting is a MAN'S sport, hurr!", but you can just ignore them, they're in the minority. Treat them like any other bigoted idiot.
>>30416516
So let's take Dave, a clinically diagnosed schizophrenic
Dave believes that there are bugs under his skin, that the police want to kidnap and torture him. He also believes that his five year old daughter is actually an alien who can read his thoughts and wants to steal his soul. Dave has substance abuse problems as well as feeling completely hollow and apathetic, like he is no longer a human being.
Arming Dave sounds like a great idea, doesn't it? What could possibly go wrong by allowing Dave to procure firearms?
Dave is a red blooded American, it's his god given right. His mental illness and the likelihood of what he might do are irrelevant considering these facts ;)
>>30416561
So how do you diagnose these people anyway?
Rule by men? Not all crazy people are dangerous even.
Convicted felons should be allowed to own firearms as well.
>>30416516
These god given rights were all codified with the assumption that any reasonable society would make an effort to keep crazy people off the streets.
Nobody thought that we'd KNOWINGLY let schizos vote for fucks sake. I mean jesus christ, even women weren't allowed to originally.
>>30416556
Immaterial.
>>30416561
>His mental illness and the likelihood of what he might do are irrelevant considering these facts ;)
Absolutely correct.
If you cannot trust them with firearms, they are too dangerous to be among the "free" people.
But since the American government is far too incompetent to ever make such decisions appropriately, we will never allow it to.
The first thing congress needs to fix is the prison system.
>>30416566
>"What's that you say? You want us to chop off your dick?"
That's one easy way to do it.
Let's not obscure this issue. Identifying these people isn't a problem because they do it for us.
>>30411941
Fucking yes.
I doubt people here agree with me, but like it or not we have a stereotype. I've been to a shit ton of gun stores and yeah, people tend to be nice. But there's still generally a political angle to it (right wing memes on the wall for example) that makes people feel out of place that don't share those beliefs. Hell, how uncommon is it to overhear hear something negative said about Democrats by some 80 year old racist customer while filling out your 4473?
Point is, yeah those things are innocent enough and I can overlook them easily because I can just cringe and move on with my life. But I'd feel so fucking out of my element if I wasn't already a gun person. Guns are intimidating to newcomers as it is, they're not looking to pick up and ideology, they just want their gun. Maybe they'll be gun people eventually, but not if their one experience with getting a gun was tainted by the asshole LGS owner that we all have learned to hate and therefore they don't want to be associated with gun rights at all.
A lot of LGS's are great. I just want to see a "Pink Pistols" shop/indoor range open up near San Francisco or something. It's not enough to be nice to everyone anymore, we have a stereotype and if we want to break it we have to go all out.
>>30416556
>our current prison system existing solely to put you in prison for smoking weed while black
Calm the fuck down Bernie, it's over. Try again next time, if you haven't died from old age.
>>30416575
The only problem with the prison system is that they let people out.
"Catch and release" is a completely moronic way to run a criminal justice system. It doesn't keep the public safe.
If we didn't release criminals after catching and convicting them, then we wouldn't need criminal background checks, would we?
That would be a big improvement in my book.
But no, because we release criminals, it is no longer a safe assumption that a free man is not a criminal, so all free men are now suspected of being criminals until it is proven otherwise.
It's fucked up. Our government has totally abdicated its duty to protect the public.
>>30416609
You have to try to reform them.
But instead they make prison full of smelly fucking niggers and gang members who are recruiting full time.
>>30416570
>These god given rights were all codified with the assumption that any reasonable society would make an effort to keep crazy people off the streets.
Oh really? You pulling that out of your ass just now?
The simple fact is, if you don't like the fucking second amendment then you need to change it.
>>30415717
>lifesitenews
>breitbart
Ever notice the /pol/acks only come at night?
>>30416448
>We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.
This is the purpose of our government.
>>30416455
It's not common sense, it's mindless fearmongering at best and giving your oppressors the tools to enslave you at worst.
>>30416506
Nothing. That's the point.
>>30416510
It's logical to allow them self determination because we base our system of justice on the idea that we are innocent until proven guilty and not prejudiced against by the powers of the state.
It is logical to allow them self determination because the reasons you give for taking their rights are weapon to be used against you by anyone willing to alter definition and place you in the category of other.
It is logical to allow them self determination because the social cost of the ones who can't hold it together doing something dangerous are minimal in the face of the social cost of making them defenseless wards of the state.
It is logical to not stigmatize or ostracize the mentally ill, because that is proven to reduce the rate of treatment and the effectiveness of treatment, for those who's mental issues need treating.
Stripping rights from the mentally ill, criminalizing insanity, the reasons we did so, the reasons you want to do so, are literally soccer mom logic.
>>30416540
>Political abuse of psychiatry in America was rare.
No
>We used to have institutions all across America filled with crazies.
They were hell-holes filled with people who weren't liked by their doctors
>we now have social pressure to infringe the rights of ALL Americans.
Just say no.
>Our government has abdicated it's duty to keep society safe from lunatics.
Our government has no such duty.
>>30416566
>So how do you diagnose these people anyway?
I'm not a psychiatrist but the overt symptoms of schizophrenia are pretty easy to spot. Ie you can see them a mile off downtown.
That's irrelevant to this discussion, you don't get diagnosed with schizophrenia unless you're already so disconnected with reality that you start to have hallucinations, or talk to yourself, or make abnormal motor movements and things like that
>Not all crazy people are dangerous even
That's just fucking stupid.
If someone is insane, aka crazy they are:
"in a state of mind which prevents normal perception, behaviour, or social interaction; seriously mentally ill."
This pretty much captures any serious mental illness like schizophrenia or someone who is "crazy" and therefore makes them dangerous
>Convicted felons should be allowed to own firearms as well.
Well, obviously not...
>>30416619
If the prison system reforms criminals, then what justification is there to deny them their 2A rights?
If we must deny them their 2A rights, then we must admit that we haven't actually reformed them.
And seriously, anybody who thinks that American prisons rehabilitate criminals is completely delusional. Anyone who has been paying attention knows that isn't true.
Right now the US government is releasing people they KNOW to be criminals, KNOWING that they haven't been rehabilitated, and is using this as a justification to infringe on the rights of the law abiding public.
>>30416630
Prisons and executions existed when men dreamt up all of these rights. Never did they imagine that their rights would be applied to a society that DIDN'T make an earnest attempt to remove crazies and criminals.
>>30416647
>establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare
AKA: Keep crazies and criminals off the street. Exactly my point.
>No
Yes, actually. Hollywood depictions are not reality.
>They were hell-holes
Irrelevant
> filled with people who weren't liked by their doctors
So what is your position, crazy people don't exist? The people who filled those places were 99% out of their fucking gourd. Mental institutions were NOT political prisons.
>Our government has no such duty.
We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare....
>>30416647
The American government is expected to be more than "logical".
You sound like a Chinaman.
>>30415717
>>30415637
>>30415599
>>30415817
Phil put your trip back on so I can filter you.
>>30416319
>mutilate
Yes a surgical operation is mutilation, I mutilated my hand when I broke it, and hell my father mutilated his genitals when he didn't want any more kids! BY GOD THEY'RE EVERYWHERE!
>>30416675
>If the prison system reforms criminals, then what justification is there to deny them their 2A rights?
I never claimed they should be denied rights at all.
>>30416647
Pic related, keep teaching the reddit faggots who don't understand what this country was built for.
>>30416682
Slicing up a penis into little pieces, then stitching them back together wrong, throwing out left over pieces, and sewing it all back on in a way that nature never intended?
Yes, that is mutilation. There is no question about it. Anyone who thinks otherwise is surely mentally ill.
>>30416687
So your position is that murderers, having served their average prison sentence of 20 years, should be allowed to walk free and purchase firearms?
I think that is insane. Clearly they should never be allowed to walk free. They should all be executed or imprisoned indefinitely, because the idea of allowing convicted murderers to have a full set of American rights is completely bonkers. Those rights are designed for sane law abiding people.
>>30416694
It wasn't built for crazies to run amok in.
>>30416586
Identifying the threat these people pose evidently is a problem, because you're sitting at Defcon 1 because a squirrel is trying to get into your house.
>>30416598
>The war on drugs is a good boi, dindu nuffin.
Fuck Bernie.
>>30416609
Recidivism is driven by the fact that even when you've served your time, you don't have all your rights back, and it's a hell of a lot easier to go back to slinging dope than it is to get a real job when you can't pass a background check.
Incarcerating this many people makes us less safe, and we could never afford to keep them all forever. Maybe we should just build gulags in Alaska? Does that sound all right to you? They can pan for gold, cut timber, and roughneck the oil rigs. How's that sound?
The Government has no duty to protect you from anyone but foreign nations, take responsibility for yourself.
>>30416668
>>Convicted felons should be allowed to own firearms as well.
>Well, obviously not...
Disagree. the 1968 GCA introduced this idea for the first time, and it didn't do anything to make us safer.
>>30416679
The chinaman is known for thinking the state should have power and supremacy over the individual. And it is you who is arguing his position, you statist prick. Do you worship temporal power? Do you place your soul in the hands of a faceless bureaucracy, exalting in the deed? Good Christ, you'd love to live under the soviets.
>>30416675
>Justice is committing the defenseless to the pit.
>Liberty is giving the government the authority to decide what modes of thought make you a citizen and not a prisoner.
>Abuse of power doesn't happen.
You seek the peace of slavery, even if you can't admit it.
The members of the Union were states, not people, you fucking nitwit.
>>30416709
>I think that is insane. Clearly they should never be allowed to walk free. They should all be executed or imprisoned indefinitely, because the idea of allowing convicted murderers to have a full set of American rights is completely bonkers. Those rights are designed for sane law abiding people.
Sounds like you're crazy, we better toss you in a cell for the good of the nation.
>>30411941
why a timid person would want a gun is beyond me
they would never have the gall to use it
>>30416726
It pretty much was.
That's what the Western Expansion was for, to get us away from each other so we didn't bottle it up and then kill each other. The "Wild West" was safer than the East coast, because we gave the crazies room to run free and starve to death or build us a nation.
>>30416802
Even in the wild west, they didn't DELIBERATELY let murderers roam free. When they caught them, they killed them.
This whole thread is cancer now thanks to you faggots bitching about other faggots being cancer.
>>30416787
I concur.
I suppose that meets the requirements for stripping him of his rights, his property, and his other freedoms.
Better call the padded van.
>>30416830
The thread was cancer to begin with. OP was obvious bait.
>>30416709
>muh mentally ill
http://www.dsm5.org/Documents/Gender%20Dysphoria%20Fact%20Sheet.pdf
http://press.endocrine.org/doi/full/10.1210/jcem.85.5.6564
Gender Dysphoria is caused by neuron amount and placement being similar to the opposite sex in the BSTc area of the brain, the people with it are functioning perfectly normal for their neurological anatomy. Bodily delusions such as Cotard's and Body Integrity Identity Disorder are caused by the misfiring or complete absence of stimulation of neurons, respectfully. The people with these two disorders are mentally ill because they are not neurologically functioning properly, it is for this reason and this difference that Gender Dysphoria is not a mental illness. Before you post the link to the John Hopkin's Psychiatrist saying it is a mental illness let me explain why his article has been disregarded by the medical community (and it's not DUH JOOS!) Firstly he uses that John Hopkin's doesn't preform sexual reassignment surgeries as evidence for his argument, when he was the Psychiatrist-in-chief of the hospital and he was the one who made the decision, so he is using his past decisions to justify himself now, which is woefully unscientific as it disregards the entire scientific process. Secondly he uses suicide rates in transsexuals as evidence which is a moot point because there are psychologists sociologists that argue that high suicide rates could be explained by family abandonment, social exclusion, and harassment. It's just posted a bunch because /pol/fags like stroking their ego more than they like the truth.
TL;DR everything you've said is false >>>/pol/
>>30416813
Unless they didn't.
They didn't hang every murderer. Some just got fines, some just got told to get the fuck out of Dodge City.
It depended on the nature of the murder and the history of the murderer. Hanging a man for murder was mostly for repeat offenders.
Most of the people they hanged were thieves of some sort, and most weren't hanged by order of the court, most were lynched by mobs or land owners, with no trial. And for the most part, those murderers went free.
>>30416861
tl;dr: they're fucking crazy.
>>30413862
Sounds like they think they have a private club & outsiders are unwelcome.
>>30416863
A lot of those towns often heavily restricted 2A rights too. Do you think we should be following their example there too?
>>30416883
No, but we can all agree the federal government has no business restricting any of it.
>>30416847
No need for a trial or judicial review, we'll just have to put all his portable property in the evidence locker and seize the big stuff.
1100 dollars cash? We can't leave a thousand dollars laying around in a house waiting for county auction, you'd better put this 900 dollars into the safe box in the evidence room. Make sure you fill out the chain of custody sheet on that 800 dollars before you leave for the night.
>>30416868
Oh ho ho! You sure got me there!
God dammit why can't the mods fuck /pol/ over again so we can have the cuckening V.2, they deserve it for constantly shitting up /k/.
GAS /POL/, BOARD WAR NOW!
>>30416883
Obviously not. I'm just refuting the idea that "we dun killed all the scoundrels and nutjobs" in the "good old days".
>>30416861
That's a whole lot of evidence for mental illness.
>>30416924
>>30416868
Thanks for proving you faggots don't have an actual argument for anything you say. Feel free to >>>/pol/ now.
>>30416890
I think the federal government has a roll in chasing down crazies and criminals that local authorities, through incompetence or indifference, have failed to stop.
Remember that it was the FAILURE of local authorities to respond to criminal gangs with machine guns and fast cars that lead to the NFA. Whenever the government fails to fulfill it's side of the agreement and keep the public safe, they blame the public and take away more of our rights.
The government is once again abdicating it's duty to keep us safe. And once again, they are blaming the public and using it as justification to take away more of our rights.
You can fight the government on gun control. OR you can head off the problem before it even starts, and fight the government to force them to do their job.
>>30416908
Dude, you don't have to be /pol/ to recognize trannies as batshit crazy. Most people want absolutely nothing to do with them. Just because we don't say that in polite company, doesn't mean we actually think they are genuinely sane.
>>30416946
>Dude, you don't have to be /pol/ to recognize trannies as batshit crazy.
You don't have to think someone's sane to recognize their personhood and acknowledge their rights.
>>30416894
Wow, $500, guy sure had a lot of cash in his wallet.
>>30416972
I recognize their personhood. They are people, just like anybody else. People are animals. Some are more fit than others. Some are fantastic, bodies of greek gods with minds to match. Others are defective. Some have hearts that don't work right. Some have lungs that don't work right. Some have brains that don't work right.
Mentally ill people exist. If you deny that, you deny the reality of humanity.
>acknowledge their rights
Do we not strip murderers of their rights? Of course we do.
Why do we strip murderers of their rights? Because we know that they cannot be trusted with rights.
How can we trust somebody who's mind is so thoroughly defective that they want to mutilate their reproductive organs? That one isn't a rhetorical question. Give me your answer, please.
This is just the mirror image of the "All cops are racists" "Only cops should be allowed to have guns" argument on the left.
>The government has too much power
>Let's give the government more power to do *thing*
>>30416946
If anyone is crazy it's you for ignoring a mound of evidence that you're wrong and continuing to justify your beliefs in doing so without even engaging in any counter-argument, read a book on the Cognitive Dissonance Theory and recognize your actions in it. I'm telling you to go back to /pol/ because i popped in yesterday and they had a thread where they posted the same exact links, same exact pictures, and talked about redpilling other boards. Fuck off you stormfags, and if you believe in rectifying gun control to any amount, against any people without due process of law, then you don't belong on this board you tyrannical cuck. Get the fuck out.
>>30417025
I don't think the government has too much power.
I think the government is neglecting to exercise the power it already has. This causes a societal breakdown where every free man is now assumed to be a convicted criminal until the government confirms that they have no such records. Absurd.
The 2A was supposed to work without background checks, because the government was SUPPOSED to get rid of people who can't be trusted with 2A rights.
>>30417029
If you really think genital mutilation isn't a product of mental illness, then you have really gone off the deep end.
>>30415902
>If you want to give the state the power to find these hugboxes, break them, and take the participants to jail for abominable behavior, you want to give the state the power to know everything about you and the power to destroy your life the moment the state decides your behavior us undesirable.
THANK YOU
If there's one thing I hate more than statists, it's closet statists masquerading as decent people.
>>30417019
I literally just provided an entire paragraph with multiple links proving that they are not mentally defective, fucking answer to that you hypocritical mong. >>30416861
There is no evidence that transsexuals are any more violent than anybody else, and there is no psychological reason for it. If anything there is more of a reason for them to own guns due to high rates of harassment and assault against them. You're so god damn unaware of your own actions I'm surprised you haven't accidentally wandered into traffic and gotten yourself killed yet.
>>30417019
>How can we trust somebody who's mind is so thoroughly defective that they want to mutilate their reproductive organs? That one isn't a rhetorical question. Give me your answer, please.
The same way we trust the kinds of people who think that little boys need to be circumcised or that think that you shouldn't have a 400 horsepower V8, or that think we shouldn't eat animals, or that the old testament isn't just there to inform the reader as to the state of the faith that Jesus was born into.
You accept that they have done nothing to hurt you and you address threat of harm when it exists instead of trying to figure out what queerbitch is thinking, because odds are Bob next door is gonna get drunk and convince himself that you're fucking his old lady when she compares his drunken oafishness unfavorably to you, and then bushwack you while you're still trying to figure out what someone who's brain doesn't work like yours is experiencing.
When we sentence them, their punishment should cease when the sentence is fulfilled.
>>30417054
>I don't think the government has too much power.
Then I really do think you might actually be mentally ill, or at least retarded.
>>30417081
It's a far cry between only wanting to eat plants and wanting your goddamn dick chopped off.
Would you feel comfortable with a vegan watching your kids?
Would you feel comfortable with a tranny watching your kids?
>>30417089
Put it this way, they are exercising a lot of powers they shouldn't have, but failing to use many powers they do and should have.
>>30417054
People get circumcised, is that a mental illness too? Piercings? Tattoos? Shut the fuck up if you have nothing more to argue other then "muh genital mutilation!!!!! muh mental illness" when you've been proven wrong and refuse to argue against you being proven wrong. You've provided no factual, logical, or rational evidence for your argument nor any shred of medical or statistical data on your behalf. I don't know what you believe your nonsensical dribble is doing but you're only making yourself look like a fool.
>>30416498
>Phil O. Motherfucking Stone on the side of the homos
Well, now I have officially seen everything.
>>30416647
>It is logical to not stigmatize or ostracize the mentally ill, because that is proven to reduce the rate of treatment and the effectiveness of treatment, for those who's mental issues need treating.
is this some keep friends close and enemy's closer type of angle ?
>>30417098
Yes to both, there is no neurological reason that transgender people would be any more dangerous than anyone else.
>>30417103
>>30417081
>muh circumcision
You people keep on trying to steer the conversation onto jews. Why don't YOU go back to /pol/?
>>30417121
You are a wildly irresponsible parent.
>>30417098
>Would you feel comfortable with a vegan watching your kids?
Yes. I would inform them that my children are to be fed a normal diet, of course.
>Would you feel comfortable with a tranny watching your kids?
Also yes. Them being uncomfortable with teh penis or vagina that they were born with does not mean that they are going to rape my kids, you fucking scaremonger.
>>30417134
>everyone that's circumcised is a jew
Europoor spotted!
Still avoiding the mountain of evidence against you, I'll link you to it in case you missed it >>30416861
Read up, nigger!
Also how am I irresponsible, I'd trust close friends and relatives to watch my kids if they've proven to be responsible and i have no reason to distrust them.
I'll be waiting for you to respond to the post I linked you to, and to provide statistical evidence that transgender people are a danger to anybody.
>>30417098
I know at least two trannies I'd leave my kids with ahead of at least three vegans.
It's a bigger leap to think that we don't owe our brains to the consumption of flesh and the challenges of the predator lifestyle, and then jump thought immense dietary hoops to try and not acquire unusual dietary deficiencies, all in the name of avoiding animal products, than it is to think that your brain got wired for the wrong hardware configuration, and then deciding to alter the hardware configuration instead of risking unintentional damage in an attempt to alter the center of self to fix the wiring issue.
Don't get me wrong, I don't agree with genital mutilation, I don't agree with surgical "transition", and I've done my damnedest to convince the trannies I know to seek other therapies and other treatments, but just because they sought a psychiatrist's couch instead of a surgeon's table, it doesn't mean they use the bathroom you think they should.
But agreeing with something and advocating it is a far cry from tolerating it, and tolerating it is a far cry from deciding that the problem doesn't matter because they're just crazy.
>>30417183
I see you've given up on claiming that they aren't crazy, and now are claiming that they statistically aren't a danger.
Crime rates suggest otherwise. These people live on the fringes of society for a reason.
>>30417200
>Crime rates suggest otherwise.
Please show me the crime statistics that prove transsexuals are dangerous.
>>30417183
I share your reservations about vegans.
>>30417207
Read a book.
>>30417134
Kellogg was a 7th Day Adventist, not a Jew.
>>30417114
No, it's a "treat people like you'd like to be treated" and a "don't force people to choose between seeking help and keeping their rights" kind of angle.
>>30417216
Which one?
You misunderstand. I'm not attacking you. I'm asking you to provide evidence to your assertion.
>>30411941
>science has proven that faggotry is a mental illness
>mentally ill people shouldn't own guns
>gunshop employees are known to deny patrons on suspicion of sketch intent
>>30417200
>These people live on the fringes of society for a reason.
Because they get kicked out and disowned by their families? One of the biggest problems that LGBT centers try to fix and put money towards is youth homelessness.
>>30417200
I never claimed they weren't crazy, I never claimed the schizophrenic weren't crazy.
I have simply maintained that mentally ill isn't the same thing as "Adjudicated Mentally Defective" (because it isn't, adjudicated mentally defective is a very precise legal term), and that mentally ill shouldn't mean "not granted the rights due a human being, according to our system of laws and values".
>>30417207
The poor bastards get murdered all out of proportion to their number, they must be doing something evil to bring this upon themselves, amiright?
>>30417241
>science has proven faggotry is a mental illness
[Citation needed]
>>30417246
>Because they get kicked out and disowned by their families?
And why might that be?
Humans have evolved over a hundred thousand years as social creatures. What could cause people to abandon their own kin?
A finely tuned instinct to avoid crazy people.
>>30417241
>mentally ill people shouldn't own guns
There you go saying things that I don't agree with and that aren't written into laws again.
Correct yourself.
>>30417258
It's a developmental condition at the very least, but so is a stutter. That dude is such a homophobe Phil disagrees with him.
Talk about signs of mental illness.
>>30417267
>And why might that be?
Puritanism, for the most part. Or did you forget who the original people who came to the area of North America that we currently occupy were?
>>30417278
>That dude is such a homophobe
I keep a picture of my perez hilton tier uncle crossdressing as a woman dancing on a bar top, with excessive amounts of blush, in my wallet.
Homosexuality was removed from the list of mental illnesses by storming the APA repeatedly and throwing a fit, pedophilia was also removed similarly.
>>30417298
You are obviously laboring under some sort of "nobel savage" delusion about native tolerance.
They weren't tolerant. They lived in totalitarian tribes and forced trannies to fit in or get banished.
What's more, the merits of a culture can be judged by their fruit. They accomplished jack shit. Never even made wheels. Why would you ever want to emulate their social model?
>>30417267
Well considering that Hijra's in India never had any problems with discrimination until British colonization, and Eunuchs existed in several societies without a problem, evidence points to it being a cultural thing. Nice try though, and I'm STILL waiting for you to respond to the evidence against it being a mental illness, is it safe to assume that you don't have any evidence to prove me wrong and are pulling your arguments straight out your ass at this point?
>>30417320
I never once brought Native Americans into anything. You did.
Your question was "What could cause people to abandon their own kin?"
My answer was "religion". Puritanical religion, to be precise.
>>30417330
Should we also be burning widows? The Indians were big fans of that. The British were the ones who stopped it. Why should we borrow a single damn thing from Indian culture? They were plainly deranged people.
A people so thoroughly disorganized, they were conquered by a company. Not a nation, not by the British empire. They were conquered by A COMPANY. That company was later nationalized by the British, but the conquering had already been done.
Neutering slaves to make them eunuchs, and treating them as freaks, does not strengthen the argument that trannies are normal.
>>30417359
Why might a religion that encourages the disowning of tranny kin flourish? Bear in mind, the Puritans were always a fringe religious group. But being weary of trannies was not fringe. It wasn't just the puritans. Not by any means.
>>30417267
>And why might that be?
People reading passages from sacred texts designed to instruct an expansionist people on the best ways to create an army out a bunch of desert shepherds, without understanding that we don't herd sheep in the desert for the sole occupation of our culture, and we're now the largest religious group on the planet, and don't need help breeding an army.
>>30417320
You have to realize that he was talking about the people who came here from Europe, and their particular brand of Calvinism.
Not the (far from monolithic) native cultures that preceded their colonization of this continent.
>>30417418
>Bear in mind, the Puritans were always a fringe religious group.
Trust me, I know. The intolerance of their religion is the catalyst that brought about the American respect and nigh-worship of the concept of freedom.
Sucks for you that said respect for freedom seems to have gone a little bit farther than you would have liked, doesn't it?
>>30417418
>neutering slaves
Some were born Eunuchs from their mothers wombs. Nevermind Eunuchs often held important positions in kingdoms. AND YOU STILL HAVEN'T RESPONDED TO ME DISPROVING THAT IT'S A MENTAL ILLNESS! You haven't argued against factual evidence disproving you, you just continue your escapade of throwing around half-truths and still not providing a single source. You claimed they're mentally ill, provide a source. You claimed they're a danger to others, provide a source. Just stop arguing about society and shit that doesn't even matter because you know you can't argue any other way, you're getting away from the point and respond to this >>30416861
>>30417432
>People reading passages from sacred texts designed to instruct an expansionist people on the best ways to create an army out a bunch of desert shepherds, without understanding that we don't herd sheep in the desert for the sole occupation of our culture, and we're now the largest religious group on the planet, and don't need help breeding an army.
Trannies have nothing to do with any of that.
Christianity was many hundreds of years removed from desert sheep herders by the time Europeans were fucking around in the Americas. The parts of Christianity they kept and emphasized were the parts that worked for European societies. The irrelevant parts were discarded. Oversights were corrected, such as with the fabrication of the sin of suicide.
So where does tranny wariness come from? Did Jesus say "And watch out for those people who lop off their own dicks?"
No, he said no such thing. That was a fabrication. Why did they add such a value to their religion? Why did this value find a foothold?
Religion is the ancient science of societal engineering. It is shaped through the ages by natural selection. The values which survive are there for a reason, even if we have yet to understand a rational basis for them.
>>30417493
>ou're getting away from the point and respond to this >>30416861
That comment is nothing but a big technical explanation of how trannies are crazy. There is nothing to respond to.
>>30417515
Except it provides a source from the APA saying it's not a mental disorder and evidence of how Gender Dysphoria differs greatly from mental disorders. Fucking respond to it or admit that you can't, you god damn nigger.
>>30417494
>Religion is the ancient science of societal engineering. It is shaped through the ages by natural selection. The values which survive are there for a reason, even if we have yet to understand a rational basis for them.
Right. That's why every religion has similar values that it holds sacred.
>>30417515
What mental hoops do you have to jump through to come to that conclusion? And you say that trannies are mentally incompetent.
>>30417537
>That's why every Abrahamic religion has similar values that it holds sacred.
FTFY.
>>30417418
I'm seriously doubting that you own guns at this point, you've proven that you don't understand how the constitution works and your comment about circumcision lead me to believe you're a eurocuck or an ausfailian.
>>30417494
>Christianity was many hundreds of years removed from desert sheep herders by the time Europeans were fucking around in the Americas. The parts of Christianity they kept and emphasized were the parts that worked for European societies. The irrelevant parts were discarded. Oversights were corrected, such as with the fabrication of the sin of suicide.
Do oh ho ho ho ho ho
You need to brush up on your reformation history and Calvinist theology. The Puritans from England and Scotland sought to (say it with me) "Purify" Christianity by reinvigorating Hebrew scholasticism and reading the text in its original format and language. They even went so far as to reconstruct the versions of Hebrew that lacked vowel notations because vowel notations were introduced in the new testament era, and the purest version of the old testament lacked vowel notations.
A huge portion of the American religious tradition is derived from a bunch of people who though that the best version of judeochristian morality was that 'army in the desert" text that focused so much on food prep hygiene and such. Especially the sects that rejected the idea of salvation by grace alone. Though since the food bit was specifically refuted by a text from Paul, they didn't begrudge you pork, even if they did think a person should eat 21 kinds of locust.
Christian theology doesn't begin and end with Jesus, even if he is the final authority to all but the most heretical of sects.
>>30417537
>Right. That's why every religion has similar values that it holds sacred.
Do they?
Take a look at the Aghori. They are unapologetic necrophile cannibals.
Literal savages. Yet they found an ecological niche in India because Indians were too unorganized to exterminate them. It was that very same weakness that allowed the British to walk all over them.
Only the geographic isolation of the subcontinent kept the aghori save from the cleansing fire of more advanced people. If European affairs had not distracted the British Empire, that religion would have become extinct. Natural selection.
>>30417611
I was being facetious, anon.
>>30417579
You have been accusing me numerous times of being from /pol/. Your circumcision tangent was obvious bait, and now you are upset that I didn't take it. You're not as clever as you think you are.
>>30417494
>Trannies have nothing to do with any of that.
Abrahamic prohibitions against homosexuality and transgenderism all trace back to the texts designed to define the role of a man and a woman, and in the old testament, these rules are laid out in an era when the Hebrews were a nomad warband that owned nothing more valuable than their bronze swords and their healthy sons. It was every male's duty to obey his father, die if necessary, and father sons of his own if at all possible.
It was every female's duty to obey her father until he could marry her off, and protect her virginity (which made her valuable as a prospective wife, since there was supposed to be no chance that kid that was "born a month early" wasn't just a slightly preme son of your own, if you popped her cherry, and you had to, and you had to let people watch you, to make the marriage official), and then once married, obey her husband, and bear him many sons who could eventually grow up to contribute to his portion of the warband.
That's what religion has to do with it.
>>30417625
I considered that possibility, which is why I included a picture of kudzu.
Despite natural selection acting on life all across the planet, wildlife has a great deal of variety. So why shouldn't their be variety in religions, also forged through natural selection? Different environments and genetic drift cause specification.
When one plant species is brought into a new environment, sometimes it dies out. But other times, it goes absolutely gangbusters. It encounters an new environment and wins.
Empires are invasive species of society. Sociological kudzu.
>>30417651
Ancient abrahamic texts contain prohibitions against mixed fiber cloths. Where did those prohibitions go?
They provided no utility, so they were discarded.
>>30417669
The Puritains followed them.
The prohibitions against homosexuality and transgenderism have been discarded by some very mainstream sects as well.
But religious prohibitions with no utility don't disappear overnight, and whatshisface hasn't escaped all of them, obviously.
>>30417627
My circumcision question was legitimate how would it have been bait? I am legitimately curious about how you differenciate vaginoplasty and circumcision since they would both be mutilation from your standpoint. I'm not upset at all, you are blatantly ignoring the fact that you're wrong and that your entire argument has been disproven in >>30416861. You've provided no sources, no factual evidence, while ignoring it when facts and science speaks against you. You're acting like an SJW at this point.
>n-n-n-nice b...bait!
Actually have something relevant to say other than saying bait, you fucking retard.
>>30417669
Funny how you mention "prohibitions" since proper-noun Prohibition also stemmed from Puritanism.
Some retarded ideas take longer to die than others do.
>>30417694
>The Puritains followed them.
And where are they today?
They are all irrelevant. Their opinions on cloth totally disregarded. The only thing we still know them for is their work ethic.
Their work ethic survived, their cloth ethic died. Classic natural selection.
>>30417697
My opinion is that those who insist on circumcision are probably crazy. Those who have had circumcision done to them are innocent. Those who go along with circumcision without thinking are guilty of little more than failing to think.
>>30417700
Cool, they gave us a neat word too. Work ethic and useful words. Yet their textile morality is dead.
>>30417727
>Yet their textile morality is dead.
And their gender and sexual preference morality is dying.
>>30417731
And with it may very well be our society. Empires die with a whimper.
Which brings us back to the point that tolerance of mental illness is causing the erosion of our civil rights.
>>30417727
Okay now respond to the medical facts that disprove you in this post. >>30416861 They disprove it being a mental illness, as well as showing how it differs from mental illnesses at a neurological level, as well as rebutting the most often sourced article calling it a mental illness. You've claimed quite a lot in this thread, now provide the evidence for it. All your arguments are emotion based and you got whiny when we didn't feel like you felt.
Pic related, it's you.
>>30417758
>Okay now respond to the medical facts that disprove you in this post. >>30416861 They disprove it being a mental illness
You keep on saying that, but that post is nothing more than a description of mental illness.
> Bodily delusions such as Cotard's and Body Integrity Identity Disorder are caused by the misfiring or complete absence of stimulation of neurons,
b-but it's not mental illness, I swear! Why? Because, err, I redefined mental illness!
>>30417751
>Which brings us back to the point that tolerance of mental illness is causing the erosion of our civil rights.
Tolerance of laws that infringe on the rights of others are causing the erosion of our civil rights.
Our laws weren't built on the morality of the Puritans, they were built on the morality of the Age of Enlightenment.
They were infected after with the morality of the Puritans.
>>30417772
>Bodily delusions such as Cotard's and Body Integrity Identity Disorder are caused by the misfiring or complete absence of stimulation of neurons,
>b-but it's not mental illness, I swear! Why? Because, err, I redefined mental illness!
Cotard's and Body Integrity Identity Disorder are distinct from transgenderism. You'd know that if you could read with better comprehension than a 5th grader.
Listen, I'm going to bed, you should go fuck yourself and then try and fix your ignorance and your statism. I'd appreciate it.
Have a good night.
>>30417782
The enlightenment was a secular/nontheistic religion that worked pretty well. Like all religions, it had some base assumptions that aren't necessarily grounded in reality. Namely the rationality of man.
Nevertheless it still worked pretty well, because societies running the enlightenment program were sufficiently realpolitik to be diligent about law and order. They made an effort to keep crazy people under control, such that they wouldn't be constantly throwing wrenches in the works.
Go read what eminent enlightenment thinkers had to say about other systems of society, and their adherents. They did not believe in true universal tolerance any more than I do.
>>30417772
But Gender Dysphoria is not caused by the misfiring of neurons, as explained in the post. I gave two examples of bodily delusions in contrast to gender dysphoria which is not a mental illness BECAUSE THEIR PHYSIOLOGICAL PRESENCE IS COMPLETELY FUCKING DIFFERENT!
>Gender Dysphoria is caused by neuron amount and placement being similar to the opposite sex in the BSTc area of the brain, the people with it are functioning perfectly normal for their neurological anatomy
Can you fucking read, nigger?
You also ignore
>http://www.dsm5.org/Documents/Gender%20Dysphoria%20Fact%20Sheet.pdf
and
>http://press.endocrine.org/doi/full/10.1210/jcem.85.5.6564
Which one blatantly says that it's not a mental disorder and the other gives the neurology of gender dysphoria, respectfully. Then compare what the second source says is the cause of gender dysphoria to what causes bodily integrity disorders and you'll see they're completely different from each-other because people with gender dysphoria have completely fully functioning brains without misfiring neurons or absence of stimulation.
You do realize that Cotard's and BIID are NOT what cause transsexuality, you fucking retard?
>>30417824
>Gender Dysphoria is caused by neurons in their brain not being the way they should be.
It's a fancy way of saying mentally ill. The only reason this is considered "not mentally ill" is because saying that is bad for your career if you study such things.
>>30417772
I'm not asking this as an insult or anything, but legitimately do you have reading comprehension issues?
>>30417840
>I'm not asking this as an insult
Well now you're just lying.
>>30411941
>Phoenix, AZ
See everyone loves guns here, even fuckers that spout off dumb shit like this. My sister is a teacher and most of them own guns and take shooting trips. And ARs too, not just some chick .38 snub nose revolvers
>>30417832
>not being the way they should be
Should be is a subjective term, they function normally at a neurological level without causing harm to the individual, hence it is not a mental illness because they are functionally fine.
The reason it's not considered a mental illness is because nobody has proven it should be, and there is no evidence to say so and all attempts to declare it a mental illness have been fraudulent and rife with biased unscientific reasoning see >>30416861
So basically what you're saying is:
>oh geez this person that has a fully functioning brain without any nuerological pathology is mentally ill because I say so
Great fucking argument.
>>30417855
No I'm being serious, how could you skip over an entire sentence that the second sentence (that you provided in your retort) is being used to contrast. It's beyond me how you could not comprehend that
>Well now you're just lying
If I was it'd only make us equal
>>30417863
>>Should be is a subjective term, they function normally at a neurological level without causing harm to the individual, hence it is not a mental illness because they are functionally fine.
If the arrangement of neurons results in a "please chop off my dick" state, then things are not functioning fine. That is plainly an error state. A failure mode of the human brain. It's like a rifle that won't cycle because the gas system isn't set up right.
>>30417883
>It's like a rifle that won't cycle because the gas system isn't set up right.
Except that it's not, there is no inherent error because the brain itself functionally fine, there is no reason to declare it a mental illness from a medical stand point if the arrangement does not inherently cause harm to the individual. You went from not understanding the physiology of gender dysphoria to making an analogy in two posts, and you're wrong in your analogy. It'd be more similar to having a mauser action rigged up into the stock of a nugget, the rifle functions fine and shoots normally but the action does not belong in the stock.
>>30417905
If the brain is rejecting its host body, there is something wrong.
>>30414609
>DSM
the most jewish book next to the fucking Torah
>>30417946
It's not rejecting the body, the person just feels ill-suited in the body they're in. No reason for that to be a mental illness since it's not harmful.
>>30418000
>It's not rejecting the body, the person just feels ill-suited in the body they're in.
You're just repeating what I am saying, rewording it, then claiming there is a material difference between the two.
>No reason for that to be a mental illness since it's not harmful.
>so distressed with ones body that you want to chop off your own genitalia
>not harmful
Pick one.
>>30418004
There is a material difference, you're implying the person is unable to function unless they get their dick cut off which is untrue as they are functioning members of society, and furthermore not all transgender people get their dickery-dock flipped or want to. You have yet to provide a nuerological reason for why it should be considered a mental illness as well.
>>30418029
>There is a material difference, you're implying the person is unable to function unless they get their dick cut off
You've gone totally mental. I have implied no such thing. Nor would I ever.
>>30418029
>DSM standards for mental disorder
>personally distressing, socioculturally deviant, socially maladaptive (doesn't have to be all 3)
I can see it having the capability of being all three, depending on the person and the degree to which they have the illness.
>>30418036
>so distressed with ones body that you want to chop off your own genitalia
Were those not your words that you posted?
>>30418046
>DSM standards for mental disorder
>personally distressing, socioculturally deviant, socially maladaptive (doesn't have to be all 3)
[Citation needed]
>>30418036
If they can function perfectly normal without cutting their dick off, and function completely normally in a neurological sense then what makes it a mental illness then, m8?
>>30411941
Liberty doesn't play favorites.
>>30414348
My boner needs that to be a trap. Please tell me I'm fapping to a trap.
>>30417103
>People get circumcised, is that a mental illness too? Piercings? Tattoos?
Yes circumcision can't be justified today in any way. The removal of foreskins is used to make lifting creams. Not to lower risks of infection. Yes your sexlife is fucked after this. And yes, failing to feel the pleasure you're supposed to feel from your dick may causes mental illness. If you disagree, go cut your dick and tell us how great you feel. Source : I had sex before and after circumcision.
Yes getting a piercing near your genitalia is a sign of mental ilness. It hurts, it's dangerous, have zero practical purpose, and targets a sensitive and private area for the very reason to defile it. Same goes for extreme sexual practices in BDSM related to these piercing practices. Yes it's mental illness.
Yes getting a tatoo on your genitalia is mental ilness. Tatoos hurt. You want someone to hurt your genitals ? Masochist much ? Are masochists mentally ill ? Yes.
People with too many tatoos and piercings are often percieved as crazy even by people with just a few tats.
Everything excessive is crazyness.
>>30415557
I hate to break it to you, but there are trannys in all fifty states. In fact, the only places on earth that you might be able to find with exactly zero trannys would all be fundamentalist Islamic countries.
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