Which is better?
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Which is better?
>>30405761
I can't decide
HK AG36
>>30405761
Why not both?
>>30405761
About the same in terms of being fired and ROF. The VOG-25P is bretty cool and sucks to be on the receiving end of.
>>30405786
Overweighted trashed with a "Feature" that is a literal step backwards in grenade launcher design.
>>30405761
M203 due to SAGM.
>>30405859
M203 can't fit SAGM
>>30406282
Yes, i belive it can. It fits in all current m203/302 systems. I could be wrong, but im pretty sure im right, its just been awhile since i looked at the brief.
>>30405821
>"Feature" that is a literal step backwards in grenade launcher design.
What would that be?
>>30405859
>SAGM
vog-25p has done the same thing for years.
m203 and gp30 are basically the same in performance on all fronts.
the major difference is the controls; the gp30 isn't idiot proof so US soldiers can't use it, oh lololololol
>>30406299
Quick wiki check tenitivly verifys im right, it fits both launchers.
>>30405761
Neither.
GM-94
>>30406338
No, SAGM is not a bouncing grenade, the US already has one. Its not the same thing at all. Its essentually an automatic arming xm-25. It airbursts right after cover.
A bouncing grenade can still go clear over defilade cover and by the time it hits dirt it can be right out of its own intended kill zone.
>>30405761
Pretty equal, unless you want to shoot those longer less than lethal rounds or w/e, either should do the job.
>>30405761
Prolly the GP30. All you gotta do is dropem in. Im sure that leads to less accuracy, but theres no slide, load, slide, fire.
you can literally just get a nade between each finger and drop them in 4 after another, until you gotta reload that little plastic blank slip.
>nobody here was said the eglm
>>30406303
Using it stand alone. It is certainly a useful feature for niche troops, but for GI uses, it's pretty much not needed and the extra complexity and bulk of the M320 for this new feature that will be useless to 99% of troops is pretty dumb.
The other touted feature is the ability to launch longer grenades, but those aren't standard issue either so the M320 is basically an example of fixing a problem that doesn't exist.
![Izhmash GP 34.flv_snapshot_00.44_[2016.06.26_02.14.23].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/WQmyQlF.jpg "Izhmash GP 34.flv_snapshot_00.44_[2016.06.26_02.14.23].jpg")
I've never fired either but it seems like the GP has more recoil. It comes with this absurdly thick shoulder pad and in the demo they don't fire from the shoulder
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BqqsYICJUVw
although a guy in this video appears to fire from the shoulder fine
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CJEwYH0xmfE
>>30405761
call me back when the Russians make a GP25 compatible SAM
one of the benefits of muzzle loading is arbitrary projectile length. The long ones are flares
>>30405761
With the vog you can carry alot of ammo, being caseless and all, the 6ssh116 has something like 16 grenade spots. If you have 2 people with them trading off firing, you can rain hell. The 203 is cool also, but I prefer the VOG
SAGM
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>>30405761
M320
>>30406633
>it's pretty much not needed
Which is why it is used all the time?
>>30406681
Raytheon has designed a laser-guided 40mm for the M320. Supposed to fly 2300 yards and it IIRC it weights 10lb. It's a little absurd but the same could be done for the GP
>>30406660
They both fire the same weight projectile at the same muzzle velocity
I don't know how you do it in the states, but when we fire m203s we don't shoulder them.
Like I said before, the only practical difference is the controls, and the MAJOR major difference that makes the GP30 not idiot proof is that the safety cannot be flicked on unless there is a round loaded, can you think how that might be a problem on a muzzle loaded weapon?
>>30406376
Cool, corrected, I thought SAGM was just a lame bouncing one, read the wikipedia page and it sounds better, but expensive.
>>30406671
>rear sight and general rifle flex when fired
>>30406721
yes I was referring to the pike
Just imagine firing one of those out of a Vietnam vintage M79
>>30406714
>>30405786
Carried a 320. It's fucking garbage. Heavy as shit so no one wants it on their rifle, everyone uses it standalone. The sight doesn't work with the holster so everyone just takes the sight off and muzzle sights it which is inaccurate as shit. Batt mandated that grenadiers fix it to their rifle around the time I got out in 2013 so everyone hates it even more. I was a saw gunner by then, thank god. Bulky, heavy, stupidly designed weapon. Fuck the 320
>>30405761
>Which is better?
GP-25 looks cooler unless the M203 is mounted on an A2
>>30406741
>>30406714
>Which is why it is used all the time?
The M320 is carried all the time because its standard issue for people who have no choice in the matter.
The extra feature of being useful stand alone is basically a novelty outside of niche use for 99% of grenadiers in the field.
>>30406757
Aussies still use them and love them
>>30406812
I was referring to the 'extra feature'.
>>30406772
Cool story.
>>30406811
pretty huge difference in recoil and gun wobble
>>30406772
All of my this
>>30406865
>pretty huge difference in recoil
I will trust my practical experience and basic knowledge of physics over those two videos and your years of experience on /k/.
>gun wobble
she is a loose rifle, she cannot help she was born that way.
>>30406894
god damn that's way in his hand, it's like it friggin grew out
>>30406894
Nice catch
>>30406894
this picture is a reason why the 203 is better.
GP-25/30 literally requires you to put your hand or fingers in front of the muzzle and force the projectile into it until it clicks in place which also cocks the striker. it is a practice which gets progressively harder and hard the more you fire it.
>>30406818
Now what do we have here?
>>30406721
>IIRC it weighs 10 lbs
2 lbs actually
http://www.raytheon.com/capabilities/products/pike/
>>30406854
The fact that it is so bulky and a pain in the ass as to make people who were previously happy with M203s on rifles to carry the M320s separate isn't exactly what I'd call improvement. It's degrading the primary ability to be underslung and forcing them to ditch the launcher as much as possible. Touting it as embracing the stand alone feature is just stupid. A feature is supposed to increase functionality, not reduce existing functionality.
It is literally a step backwards for a launcher to be such a pain in the ass that the most practical way to carry it is stand alone. The M203 was simple, light, and easy. Nobody in the field was asking for a replacement.
>>30406949
"the pirate gun"
I think that one is airsoft but the original is a cut down M79
>>30406958
oh, well that ain't bad.
>two
god dammit, I scanned the page looking for numerals, not written numbers
>>30406790
We /desert combat/ now
>>30406943
Yes, mentioned before (>>30406734) but this is rare, but even rare accidents stop westerners from using equipment. Look what happened to xm25.
if you compare m203 and GP30 you will find they are very similar in performance. a compromise was made on GP30, less safe but more adaptable, simple and faster firing. they mimic the culture of nation that developed them, the new m320 even more! haha, it is big heavy ugly cow to take 12 inch from the back.
i will help out the m203 lovers, if you allow mud to dry between gp30 and handguard, the trigger will not work! is that weapons fault or yours for rolling in mud?
but OP is a tricky gypsy, they are so similar weapon systems he knows /k/ will argue forever and ever
>>30406865
He's putting much of the recoil into the ground
*cough* HK79 *cough*
>>30406838
Only for baton and CS rounds though. Can't fit into the underslung dawg.
>>30407087
GP-25 have a higher ROF
>>30407485
>>30406894
Using Slav grenade launcher.
Getting Slav tier live round embedded in own hand.
Remember I'm just coast guard.
Almost makes the shame feel worth it.
>>30407517
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aUraf49Qh1M
it fire caseless ammunition
no need for extract and eject
>>30407535
So can we conclude that it's generally the better of the two as long as you don't give much of a shit about your conscript vodka farmers?
>>30407552
or your service rifle
>>30407571
max kek. Think it wasn't pinned properly or was it just beaten right through?
Perhaps the GP does have more recoil. Not because of the projectile, but maybe because the barrel is short so it has to be accelerated faster to reach the same velocity as US 40mm
>>30407571
>dimpled gas blocks and FSB were a mistake
>>30406741
Anyone have the version with the cat and the cute girl?
>>30405761
bottom one. looks phallic.
>>30407592
>max kek. Think it wasn't pinned properly or was it just beaten right through?
It's not pinned, that's the problem. The Russians, starting in 1986 I believe, went from a pinned gas block and FSB to a dimpled one because it was faster and cheap. Well as you can imagine it also brings about its own set of issues
>>30407535
seems like a waste of ammo
>>30407295
What a clunky overly complex piece of shit
>>30407592
has nothing to do with the gun being defective
the guns really cant stand up to extended use but thats fine cause gun is replaceable
on many vids recoil makes the dust cover fly off too
>>30407614
neat, thanks for the info
>>30407592
>Not because of the projectile, but maybe because the barrel is short so it has to be accelerated faster to reach the same velocity as US 40mm
GP-25 have the same barrel length as the M320
and their chamber pressure are similar
their range is also 150m, haft of that a full size M230
>>30407600
>>30407614
one question, what is the metal blob in the place of the pin on 100 seris FSB? seen like weld mark
>>30407645
>one question, what is the metal blob in the place of the pin on 100 seris FSB? seen like weld mark
What blob? If you're referring to the dimples, well that is what it is. Also they've again, been on Russian rifles going back to 1986 AK-74s
>>30407653
these two
>>30407659
The parts are casted yo, those are just mold/cast marks
>>30407602
the cute girl has a youtube channel
overly attached gf
very fapworthy anon
>>30406949
airshit
>>30407665
That's not the same chick you fucking mong
>>30406660
lol RT cut the part out of that video when the guy falls on his ass crossing the street.
Anyone used one of these? are they basically just a 203 moulded for a Steyr?
>>30405761
Whichever you can get your hands on and reliably find grenades for. A 40mm grenade's a 40mm grenade no matter how you swing it. Which one performs better is largely irrelevant. More of a supply question.
>>30407087
ayy it's dutchko's anya in the picture
>>30406909
Kek
>>30408097
Yeahnah.
Used it. Nothing like 203 F88GLA.
Side opener with that little button catch to open, similar to old F88 barrel latch.
Very short barrel, so barely any rifling length, more like a Warnie flipper than stabilised rifling.
Trigger goes through cutout in handguard so can use masterhand pretty much still in proper pistolgrip.
Think its too short and will lose longrange accuracy for convenience and lighter weight.
>>30407592
No, you retarded vatnik, it has do with the high-low system that extends the recoil impulse over a longer period of time at lower pressures.
The GP has an empirically harsher recoil impulse by its very design
Underbarrel M32 MGL when
>>30406790
>the heatguard
>>30406660
That music never gets old
>>30406660
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CJEwYH0xmfE [Remove]
It's uncanny to see slavic gear in good condition
>>30407087
I know this was from a while ago, but you do realise the m320 is German, right?
>>30406772
>I was a saw gunner by then, thank god
Jesus, it must really be terrible if you were happier about having to lug around a SAW.
>>30405784
this
>>30405761
No idea about the GP's performance, but a muzzle-loaded grenade launcher seems iffy as fuck.
>>30406894
>I will trust my practical experience and basic knowledge of physics over those two videos and your years of experience on /k/.
You could just admit being BTFO and not look like a tool trying to save face on an anonymous image board.
>>30407535
The real question: DID THEY TAKE THE DOGE WITH THEM!?
>>30407087
>Look what happened to xm25.
It is going into LRIP this year after being redesigned based on results from the Afghanistan field testing.
>>30407087
What happened to the XM-25? I remembered hearing the test units loved them.
>>30406364
OH MY GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOD
>>30410766
>>30410853
>The US Army has prioritised the XM25 Counter Defilade Target Engagement (CDTE) weapon as its "number one materiel solution to mitigate a critical capability gap" for dismounted soldiers in combat, and is officially kicking off the programme in its fiscal year (FY) 2017 budget request.
B-burgers btfo
>>30410797
>no carl gustav
still good reference
>>30406364
any other pump action grenade launchers made by the Russians in the past?
>>30407087
Is it just me or is that muzzle device on wrong?
>>30409192
That's one ugly-ass colour scheme though.
just gon leave it here
>>30407295
mein schwarz
Does the US have any thermobaric grenades or is this a Rus thing? I've seen the videos where the police use them to fight against apartment Chechens. Seems pretty wicked when used in the right situation, but I don't know if it's any more effective than fragmentation.
>>30411988
50 Shades of FDE
>>30409229
US 40mm has a high-low gas system as well. High-low does not increase damage to the rifle, it reduces it by reducing the max force at any moment in time
So the Russian GP is more dangerous to the user, and harder on the rifle. But no cases!
American M203 is safe, convenient, but uses cases.
>>30411988
Other than the black shit on it, it fits Aus, the bulk of this country is >>30413435 this
>>30414135
I know it's Aus, but it's still an ugly-ass colour scheme.
>>30406772
It's actually pretty accurate. I was able to use the sights while attached to my M4.
Other than that, it's fucking garbage. My unit's SOP was that it HAD to be mounted on your rifle, making my M4 front heavy as fuck and awkward to carry for hours at a time. Assaulting a trench uphill at NTC while lugging that thing was the biggest pain in the ass. I'd much rather take a SAW over that POS.
>>30407535
>1 man army in a nutshell
>>30413651
try rereading the post you responded to
>>30407659
Probab'y a vestigial boss for drilling the pin holes back when they still pinned them. They likely retained the original mold.
>>30416427
>The GP has an empirically harsher recoil impulse by its very design
harsher than what? it's the same design used by the US. The purpose is to reduce max pressure, which reduces max force at any time, it's not harsher than anything
>>30416731
You responded to a post that said the US 40mm uses a high-low by saying the US 40mm uses a high-low.
>>30405761
I think the GP is solid rocket/fuel explosive for propellant while the 203 is an encased in shell projectile.
>>30405761
By far the soviet one in video games it is always to just pop in the grenade front loaded
>>30417184
I thought he was referring to the GP because it was the only one mentioned in his post. The post before that mentions both US and Russian grenades
>>30406471
Is that the 2km laser-guided missile?
Note that it is too long to be loaded into M-203; however, M-230, which can swivel open to either side for loading, can handle it.
>>30407535
But looks awkward and unsafe as fuck to load. Prefer the M203.
>>30407535
well the case just fall out of the M203 when you open it to insert the new round. see video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zzvdRO9mgzc
don't use the video to compare RoF as the guy is taking his time and is aiming with his grenades instead of using it as a mortar
>>30412074
i have some high res pic of this thing
want some
>>30418350
fuck yeah, my only pics of it are poop
>>30410797
hello project reality
>>30406959
the underslung part is the downside of the 203, if a 203 gunner could use it as a standalone that is the way the 203 would be used, and no one was happy to have a 203 on their rifle
