Does /k/ think women should be eligible for the draft?
>>30405105
I would prefer there to not be a draft
But if there is a draft, men and women should have to register for selective service to be able to vote
That said, combat requirements shouldn't be lowered to accommodate women
>>30405105
Doesn't matter if they're eligible or not, they will get pregnant or disqualified in MEPs somehow
Or otherwise fail to meet the pt standards
Pretty sure it will be another liberal good idea turned into a clusterfuck
>>30405105
Honestly? No.
The military has already shown how lax the physical standards are for women who enlist, granted there are a few legit female recruits out there.
Now imagine a scenario where things have gone to shit so bad that they actually instate the draft. Would you really trust the physical standards then? I know I wouldn't. Hell, there would be enough bitchy males out who get drafted.
>James Russles III
>>30405105
Sure, they can handle computers and shit, frees up more men for the front.
>>30405159
Keep them in supply/admin/manufacturing. They don't need to be kicking in doors, but if we ever actually initiated another draft then the logistics will be a nightmare.
>>30405159
You fail to understand the purpose of a draft.
The purpose of a draft is to get bodies. They don't have to be ELITE TOP NOTCH BEST SOLDJA HOOAH HOOAH HOOAH, they have to be some fuck who is able to hold a rifle and potentially shoot said rifle at the enemy.
>>30405105
> women
no
> feminists
yes
If women are going to be allowed to hold any position in the military, they should also have to be eligible for the draft.
No, because they would make shit soldiers
>>30405139
>That said, combat requirements shouldn't be lowered to accommodate women
I read should at first
>>30405105
Funny as the reactions are, it's cutting the nose to spite the face.
Women in literally any field of work are cancer.
>>30405105
>james russles the 3rd
>>30405139
basically this
>>30405152
Mandatory IUD and course completion after injury is healed. No get out of jail free cards here
>>30405105
Military service should be compulsory for all citizens. Don't want to contribute to your nation? Then renounce citizenship and live in the shithole of europe.
No pay or benefits either for the rank and file, only the lieutenants and upward who went to proper military school to learn tactics. The grunts are expendable, and it's a waste of resources to provide them with healthcare upon returning from tour when it costs more than simply replacing them with a fresh body. Also, and especially, no pensions. The cost of a pension could easily go towards creating new tanks, planes and drones.
There, I just greatly increased our military's efficiency, size, strength and power. Common sense solutions people.
>>30405767
And also just lowered enlistment numbers tenfold!
>>30405767
South Korea already does this and having worked with them, their conscripts are utterly useless. Hell as an E-3 fresh out of training I was doing the equivalent work of their E-5s/E-6s. Better as a nation to have those people doing a useful task for a couple years rather than shit like cleaning floors, making coffee, or building/painting a new parade stand for some SNCO to give a speech, which is the sort of shit conscripts actually do.
>>30405105
I dont think their should be a draft.
But if there is one then yes. Women make just as good cannon fodder as men.
>>30405211
This.
Unwilling 18 year old boys generally dont make good soldiers either. But they are better then a rifle with no soldier.
>>30405767
No thanks.
I actually have done things with my life and spending a year or whatever in the military would be a total waste of my time and I would shamelessly draft dodge. My country can go fuck itself, if it wanted me to fight for it then it should be worth fighting for. (Ausfalian)
>>30405843
Yes but Women make Men weaker in combat.
imagine the average American 18-27 year old in devastating combat. Women bitch and are bad for morale, OUTT!
>>30405813
>And also just lowered enlistment numbers tenfold!
You miss the part about compulsory conscription, cupcake? If the pussies can't hack it in the military, they will either learn quickly or end up with a flag drapped over their ride home. Time for Americans to start acting like real Americans again instead of these pink haired, liberal arts sissy bitches.
>>30405935
>zyklon ben making a cartoon praising milo
wut
I'm kind of torn on it. On the one hand, I think they should have to do it because equal rights should mean equal responsibilities. On the other hand, I've been in combat and I would not trust any woman I've ever met in that situation. Thank god I'm a fucking cripple now so they'll never call me in for a draft.
>>30405105
How else are we going to normalize coed showering and competence like in Starship Troopers (the movie) and Aliens?
>>30405963
This is indeed a disturbing universe.
>>30405869
They are still much better than the best female soldiers though
>>30405767
Nasty Girl here. Do I count?
>>30405767
bait of the year? I'm takin the hook
>Military service should be compulsory for all citizens.
No it shouldn't, it's a massive waste of money.
>efficiency
no, equipping thousands more people than we need and creating more logistics strain is not efficient
>size
The US is already the largest military in the world by a laaarge margin.
>Don't want to contribute to your nation?
Having a job and being part of the economy will contribute more to the nation than being babysat as a conscript for a year or two. If you wanted to force labor to 'contribute to the nation' then at least do something with it like repair roads, lay utilities out to the boondocks, something more than military dicking around when we already have more than we need
>>30405105
If they want the right to vote, then they should have to enroll in the draft.
>>30406162
this
>>30405152
FUCKING DRAFT BOOMERS
>>30405139
That being said, if they can't meet such requirements, they should be delegated to other roles.
Yeah why not?
Shit hits the fan might as well draft as many people we can get.
>>30405175
>>30405181
>>30406245
this is pretty much what would happen. If shit get so bad that the draft is habbening the most women will be in no combat role while me are funneled to the front. (assuming they don't get pregnant or cut off a toe)
And if shit really got bad then I hope the ladies were able to get minimums in marksmanship. Being a female pow doesn't sound fun.
>>30406300
I wouldn't count on most of them getting it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l_JLVKRjF4c
>>30406087
The can shoot a gun all the same. And die from IEDs just like the men.
Just because your unit might be 20% less effective because it has women in it wont be enough to overpower for the fact that you can now field literally twice as many boots on the ground.
>>30406339
kek
in all seriousness I would hope the di's drill in the fact that as a female they WILL be brutally treated if our enemy lives in the sand. Not sure about other countries but middle east enemies WILL raep and send american females into slavery.
>LEARN TO LUBE AND SHOOT THAT RIFLE CORRECTLY OR START LUBING THAT PUSSY!!!
>>30406339
Thats women is retarded. My faincee can handle a shotgun better then that by far.
Maybe its because my fiancee isnt a giant wimp though.
>>30406408
Agreed. If you're going to put women into a warzone against people like them, you need to work those women to the bone in training. You need to make them hard, and mean. Because they are physically weaker than the men and probably always will be. They need to know what will happen if they get caught so they fight harder than anyone else to not get caught.
>>30406416
My grandmother can fire a shotgun. My great-grandmother could too, before she died. She'd been blind for 40 years, though, so she didn't make it a habit.
>>30406245
>women are inept at their comfy ac desk jobs
>men die on the front lines because of their mistakes
Lolno
>>30406435
Just do what jap companies do with old, respected guys who fuck up. Put them in a cushy desk job where nothing they do actually matters.
>>30406162
largest? No
Best funded, yes.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_number_of_military_and_paramilitary_personnel
>>30406401
Armies have been routed by enemies one tenth their size, quantity doesn't matter when all of your worthless soldiers break and run
>>30405105
they're allowed to vote, so technically yes, the draft was the reason all men got the vote. they should be nowhere near combat roles though
>>30408394
If they can make the same PT standards as men, I see no reason why not.
>>30408395
but they can't, there's a reason sports are segregated.
>>30405167
Took me a hot minute
Jam them full of birth control shots and send them to the front lines... I can't believe how many complete garbage human beings I saw in Austin this weekend...
>>30405767
3edgy5me
>>30405105
Thats the fun of living in a country that technically was founded in 1947, it says in our constitution
>Men and Women are equal
>[but only] Men (aged 18 to whatever) can be conscripted into the Bundeswehr
ggwp
>mfw a woman once said to me, "if conscription was mandatory for all, men AND women, we'd have a lot less bitching in today's society"
>>30405139
You make too much sense
There shouldn't be a draft in the first place. However, if there is a draft then both men and women should be eligible.
Standards shouldn't be lowered to accommodate women, they should be set to create and wean out any people who wouldn't be fit for service, much less combat.
>>30405105
Have we opened all military roles up to women?
If yes there's no reason not to draft them, to do otherwise would be a sexist, misogynist act.
>>30405767
>Russian General attempts to fix American military the post
>>30406300
>>30405181
Holy shit have you never been a part of the military?
You give the beurocratic shit to the women and suddenly everything gets 10x harder to deal with and they run off to go fuck their boyfriend somewhere when shit needs to be done.
Now imagine a vindictive pissed off feminazi who is tired of all the mansplaining being shot her way by superiors and all the oppression and rape she had to deal with when the drill seargent accidentally looked at her during basic.
She will do her damndest to cripple every supply line and fuck over ever combat capable soldier as she can.
>>30405767
Service guarantees citizenship!
Would you like to know more?
>>30406053
It will be a bit
Our religious roots really seem to hamper the ability for us to see someone naked and not make it sexual
It shouldn't be like this, but that's how it is
>>30405105
It's a terrible idea
However, if you want equality, don't ask for "takesies-backsies" when you get it
>>30405105
I think its fucking hilarious
>I am also no longer in the military
>>30405105
Personally? I support the unpopular thought of compulsory 2 year service for men and women. So many benefits to the nation, not the least of which being every citizen having firearms training.
>>30408934
>two years
They do that in countries like Turkey and it has no benefit whatsoever.
>>30408947
Keeps the fuckers in better physical shape and would force fat fuck 18yr olds to lose weight and get fit. That would lower future healthcare costs by billions.
>>30405105
cannon fodder is cannon fodder
>>30408947
Seems to work for Israel.
>>30406401
>>30408370
first off, this.
second off
>implying as many women will apply as men
>implying even a tenth as many women as men will apply
>10% increase in capacity
>20% decrease in unit efficiency
![2u5z[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/E7nxm40.jpg "2u5z[1].jpg")
Fapping at the thought of crying fat vegan autistic lesbian gender queers forced to hold a riffle, very thing they hate the most.
>>30408998
It's all fun and games until they get put into administration jobs/logistics and getting your precious baby wipes is now hell.
>>30409015
why is this allowed?
they should go trough war hell like us, they should experience taking shots from a random afghan farmer wile cowering behind a rock crying on the radio.
>>30409015
All the baby wipes are being used on babies anon
You will now have to fight the mother and baby for those wipes!
Yes, just to use all the worthless college, feminist, strong wymyns for Operation Human Shield.
>>30408877
>She will do her damndest to cripple every supply line and fuck over ever combat capable soldier as she can.
Charge with treason and follow up with summary execution. Problem solved.
>>30405139
This. People tend to forget that there are many jobs in the armed forces other than combat. Field hospitals need nurses just as bad as the front lines need soldiers.
>>30405105
We already do a shitty job of convincing young people to serve their country and are already, at best, apathetic to those who do.
And I don't even mean just military service but things like the Peace Corps.
>Your tax dollars paid to make this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JXRxjmifjO8
If you're gonna enslave men to do needed jobs, yes, play fair and do the same for women.
In the inevitability that, ahem, many individuals are individually ill-suited to combat roles, make those people do something else that's needed.
But preferable to any of that, no draft.
>>30405767
You realize that a significant portion of enlisted aren't grunts, right? You're obviously retarded, but have you even spared a thought to the aparatus that allows the front lines to do their jobs?
>>30405942
>never served: the post
>>30406448
How does this make the military more effective?
>>30409085
After she's done damage and resources have been diverted to investigate and courtmartial.
>>30408350
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_number_of_military_and_paramilitary_personnel
China has your dream army man, you should check out what all of those "Soldiers" train to do, and how much commie money they burn doing it.
I will give you a hint, 80% of it can be done with a chalkboard.
>>30408986
Selective Service is required for federal student aid. They'll apply.
>>30405767
>Don't want to contribute to your nation? Then renounce citizenship and live in the shithole of europe.
You do realize the US military is large enough that it doesn't need conscription, right?
>>30409307
Generally that is how the justice system works, so what the fuck is your point?
>>30408395
Rape, mainly rape. Secondarily most young men tend to get a little upset about rape. Lots of upset soldiers can cause tactical issues.
"We need to wait here, and watch this road."
>"They captured, and are currently raping our chief."
"We can get a new chief, we are the combat unit, we need to watch this road so they can't drive supplies through here."
>"I don't trust you now, and think you are not a good leader, because someone is getting raped, and you don't want to save them."
People tend to get a little more worked up about imagining a woman getting raped as a POW than a man being starved/beaten. So yeah, rape is why.
>>30405139
This guy pretty much nailed it.
>>30408934
It takes a special kind of person to be willing to fight a invading force, firearms training won't instill that in people.
>>30408966
Might have something to do with the fact that all of their neighbors refuse to acknowledge their right to exist.
If Canada and Mexico wanted to ethnically cleanse us and not so quietly sponsored terrorists in Texas we might be a harder people as well.
>>30409361
>You do realize the US military is large enough that it doesn't need conscription, right?
The fact we have yet to conquer Africa or eastern asia begs to differ, anon. Our military needs to be larger, stronger and more powerful.
>>30408877
Dubs for truth
>>30405105
I don't like the draft at all period. But it exists despite my feels. Yes, women should be eligible for the draft too. They started all this bullshit, now they can live in it.
>>30408877
This is why the draft is a dumb idea to start with. Regardless of gender. Weeny bitches that don't want or need to be there cause issues. Look at the Vietnam.
>>30405105
Are women required to register, or just allowed?
I think women should have to register just like men, though I oppose peacetime registration when a war of such scale as to make use of the draft necessary isn't immediately on the horizon.
>>30405105
No. I believe war is a mans job and I would trade places with my wife / kids instantly if they would be able to stay out of it.
If women enlist, OK.
That, and women are generally incompetent as fuck.
>>30405251
Best answer.
>>30405767
>Military service should be compulsory for all citizens.
No. You are wrong. National service should be compulsory. That does not mean military service.
>>30405105
You guys should be embarrassed that you have opened up the draft to women, what kind of men does that make you. Just imagine the girls you know in real life in the jungles of Vietnam. The whole purpose of War in some way or another is to protect women and children, not have them fight for themselves.
>>30405139
>>30412315
>>30412315
Maybe that'll make politicians think twice about there being another Vietnam. In either case, you can be assured that only the poorest, brownest women would serve in the majority of infantry roles.
>>30412441
>Maybe that'll make politicians think twice about there being another Vietnam.
It didn't make them think twice about Iraq and Afghanistan.
>>30411952
>oppose peacetime registration when a war of such scale as to make use of the draft necessary isn't immediately on the horizon
That's the whole point. How do you do a draft without a list to pull from? And only registering when the need is visible will only increase draft dodging.
>>30412602
>How do you do a draft without a list to pull from?
You've got a list of citizens via the IRS, do you not?
>>30412626
>all citizens file with the IRS before they are 18
>no citizens are counted twice due to fraud
