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'Errybody is broke edition.

http://pastebin.com/FMYXiAxi
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I got a mitznefet. Best $14 I've ever spent.
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Technically, the shirt and trousers are both IDF, just different IDF's.
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Tactical shower cap.
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Truly fitting attire for a slow genocide.
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>>30398820
>open /k/
>ctrl+f milsurp
>no results
>panic
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>>30398922
>interracial_bondage_001.jpg
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>>30398953
Poor little black guy?
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>>30398904
what does the big hat do ?
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>>30398981
Goes over a helmet to stop it looking like a helmet. Also because it shifts around and different people wear it differently, it makes it hard to tell where your head is.

I'm not gonna doubt the Israelis on it, they've been using it since 1994. Personally i love how goofy it is.
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>>30399000
I think there some pictures where twigs and leaf are put in it
>Personally i love how goofy it is.
hell yea I think more interesting uniforms should make a come back
if you are going to die at lest make it cool or styleish
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>>30399028
I wouldn't see the point of that, it'd be quite hard to attach anything..

I was reading a thread where CS:GO players were complaining that the IDF skin with the mitznefet was OP because it made headshotting harder.
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>You'll never casually stroll through a Swiss surplus store with shopping cart like its a normal thing.

Tell me again, why am I still alive?
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Need to sell a few things. Asking $60 + shipping.
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anyone know where this could come from?
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>>30399176
if you have slant pocket erdl larger than fucking xs i'll buy it
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>>30399194
Looks like a WW1 French infantry cap. Shit might be worth something, yo.
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>>30399176
$75
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>>30399221
$75
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>>30399234
$50
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>>30399246
$50
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>>30399269
$65
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>>30399221
Can you do $80 shipped for this?
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>>30399366
Yes. Email me mr.gerwitz
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$25 This is beat to shit.
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>>30399401
Did you have a spare Czech experimental desert set for sale or am I remembering wrong?
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>>30399422
Not at the moment.
$60
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>>30399385
Sent.
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>>30399174
What camera do you use? looks really good.
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>>30398955

How many blacks in Estonia??
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>>30398820
Where can I find a decently sized M65 coat? I tried alpha industries but got something that was way too big and sort of proportioned oddly. Also the material was kind of rough...

Looking for something like pic releated
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"Broke"
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>>30400394
I kind of also want to add I want to wear it for daily use...not like woods or anything
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>>30400008
What's one of those worth?
Tempted to sell this thing too.
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>>30400463
I forget, is that the commercial one? Pics of stamps?
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>>30400526
yeh
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>>30399512
It's a photo from the internet, not mine.
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$90
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$40
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>>30401086
>30401086
Post multiple in one pic, I'm tired of monitoring to see what I want to buy
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>>30401135
Nah, I'm too lazy.
$50
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>>30401207
Is that the cotton twill version?
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>>30401241
It is.
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>>30401253
Proof?
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>>30401086
I can get those for $10 a pop
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>>30401275
Well aren't you special.
>>30401272
Give me a second.
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I have tons of M81 jackets too.
$10 a pop.
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>>30401086
I'd just hawk that on eBay if I were you. Nobody here would buy for that price but airshitters will.
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>>30401355
I have been. Been up for a month.
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>>30401272
There's no crotch flap on this one. Rhodie passed on it. He only buys stuff he can sniff.
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>>30401384
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>>30399401
From what I have seen most of those are beat to shit.
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>>30402043
What's up with this sale?
Broke or just getting rid of spares and things you don't want in your collection?
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>>30402248
as the OP says, I'm pretty broke. Haven't sold much on ebay lately.
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Does any of this still exist?

Or were they all just destroyed once UCP was adopted?

I haven't found anything on these, other than the fact that they performed well and were passed up in favor of UCP. Trying to find some to buy.
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>>30402248
But only broke enough to sell things I don't like much.
$150
>>30402277
>Trying to find some to buy.
Lel, good luck. Not even the hard core collectors have some. It's all in museums/still in military stores.
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can anyone id this camo for me?
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>>30402290
damn. anyway to have it printed/made? Mostly a novelty thing and I wanna see how it holds up.
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>>30402325

Maybe Georgia?
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>>30402338
You'd need a sample of the pattern, preferably a repeating piece or file.
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>>30402338
This is the best we got. It's not high enough res.
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>>30402349
nah i know its from serbia , bosnia what have you but im having a bit of trouble narrowing it down.
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>>30402366
Hmm, you could probably work from that actually. The guys I use can use anything from 300x300 up, they're good at scaling without losing resolution.
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>>30399000
It must have impressed people they fought because Hamas and Hezbollah wear them too.
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>>30402415
Yeah apparently you can just wear it on your head like they do. Keeps the sun off.
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>>30400394
>>30400452
Come on. Anyone?
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>>30399174
Oh my God. It's my dreams incarnate.
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Ooh, a package! It's been a while.
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just won my first ever ebay auction: pic related
26 dollars!!!!!!!111
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>>30400394
i dont live in the us but those should probably be at every surplus store in the country
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$30
:^)
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>>30399174
Where is this!!!!!!! do thy have a website?!?!
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>>30402642
Alright, I'll give you a hint.

>>30402766
I reverse image searched it, apparently that image is from an article saying all of those surplus shops were closed.
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>>30399401
I have a pristine cadet version that I've had for a few years :^). Ranks on chest are the best.

>>30400408
Your slavshit gear makes me hard how much for the assault vest?

>>30402325
It's probably M89 or M93 Oakleaf maybe M03.

>>30402721
Looks like ass MTP > OCP multicams a meme specially in the PNW.
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>>30402721

That much?
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>>30402797
Its regular bitch ass multicam.
>>30402801
$60 for you faggit,
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>>30402788
This is unrelated, but do you own one of those Alpenflage flak jackets? Not offering one, just curious.
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>>30402788
Alright, I guess no one cares about rare pieces of Alpenflage.

>>30402855
Well I was talking with someone from IACMC about one but he stopped responding to my emails.

So no, I don't. Did you have some questions?
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>>30402959
>>30402959
awww shit, didn't know those existed.
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>>30402968
Yup. Ten fucking bucks.
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>>30402366
Cool, thanks!

>>30402391
Any recommendations on where to have this made?
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>>30402959
>Did you have some questions?
Were those things ever issued to soldiers? Up until recently when I saw one on eBay, I didn't even know such things existed. Never seen them worn in photos.
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>>30402993
Depends on what you want to do with it. At the very least you'll need a fabric printing place that does digital printing, and it willing to do a small amount (each karst parka was around 3M of fabric for example).

If you can sew yourself, or have someone in the family that can then great! Otherwise you'll need a uniform/jacket/whatever cut pattern from somewhere. I'm sure a basic BDU pattern must exist and be easy to get hold of, but for anything else you'd probably need to buy a cut pattern or have someone copy an existing garment. Don;t forget you need to source everything for it too, zips, buttons, lining if any and so on.
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So how do you guys hold up your NVA trousers without suspenders? These things are comfy as fug and I want to wear them like jeans but they're broad and keep falling off my ass.
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>>30403030
I would imagine so. They were most likely not issued to all troops based off their rarity. Also, they totally make clothes under it useless so it was probably used for specific roles.

>>30403109
You get suspenders.
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>>30403091
Not worried about sewing and patterns, got that on lockdown. Don't need zippers either, and for a liner I was just going to use a M65 liner if I really needed one, and sew it into place to make a nice winter coat.

Any good online fabric printing places?
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>>30403125
Check the pattern repeats cleanly first, you might have to make it into a PDF so they can work with it. I don't know where you are in the world, so you'd have to search around yourself.
It took me three attempts to get the pattern right, so get just 1M samples done, even if they are grossly expensive.
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>>30403151
Thanks for the advice!
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>>30403119
Can't I just run a sash through the loops and have it like a internal belt?
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>>30403167
Hey no problem, better than people making the same costly mistakes that I did.
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>>30403172
You do you boo.
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>>30403151
>>30403167
>>30403184
I should clarify, samples until you're happy with the pattern, then go nuts.

You'll have to make your own judgement on what fabric you want. Digital printing onto a 50/50 mix reliable has become a thing only very recently, worth seeing about places that can do that.
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>>30403193
Shit. Why did the krauts have to be obsessed with suspenders?
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>>30403373
$40
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>>30402959
Kinky.

Fug latex, put it on big boy!
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>>30403718
>>30402959
Oh, disregard my previous comment, I scrolled down.

Looks great! Glad that it seems to fit.

Are those zippers the same ones that are on the coveralls? The circular pulls are so funky.
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I'm back from vacation and had this waiting for me. Despite being a 120cm chest it fits me pretty well.

Stopped at a surplus shop where I was at, the guy had a few interesting things. Is a good condition paddyflage shirt worth $40?

He also had a sumpfmuster parka with the liner but the condition was so nice I was sure it was a repro. Is there any chance of finding one of those not faded in lightly used condition? A bit of scraping on the buttons is all.

>>30399176
ahh fuck, it's that jacket I wanted. Too bad I'm broke now. Again.

>>30401207
>>30400889
>>30399327
Unf. Why the fuck do I have to be poor?

>>30402656
Nice.
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>>30404062
I was hoping you'd show up with moneys
>40 paddyfalge
that's about the average retail nowadays.
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>>30404062

Any paddyflage shirt is worth $40

The BGS parkas go for at least $80 nowadays. Usually more. They don't appear often.
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>>30404084
I'm switching jobs soon and should be getting about 50% more income.

>>30404093
Good to know. I passed up on the parka because the condition was so perfect I figured it was a repro, and I didn't want to unbutton the liner and look for a sturm tag on the inside with the owner of the shop staring at me. He was asking 50 though, so it will be worth checking out again.
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>>30403758
The jacket has a zipper I've never seen before. The pants fly does have the same zipper as the overalls.
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>>30404124
50 for a BGS parka? I'd probably buy it even it it was a repro. That pattern is fly as hell.
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>>30404124
Max
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>>30403286
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>>30403286
Gotcha. You wouldn't happen to have a PDF of
>>30403151
pattern that works would you? Or point me in a direction to find it on the internet? Also, a name for this pattern?
I'm new to the milsurp camo threads and have seen it a few times, piqued my interest.
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>>30404283
That pattern is called Karst.
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>>30404283
He won't give you the pattern for karst. He paid big money for it to be made.
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>>30404283
Here you go :^)

>>30404324
Get fucked. This is why nobody buys from you or anyone else ITT anymore.
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>>30404473
Nigga I've been trying to get it from him for ages.
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>>30404473
Thanks! time to undersell the market with cheap imitations! /s

So is it any use other than fashion? I've seen it floating around other boards (/fa/), and got interested in its use as actual camouflage. It seems too distinct to work anywhere but where it was specifically designed for, but then again if UCP found somewhere it was effective anything can be camouflage.
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>>30404492
Are you blind or just stupid? That pic is the tile >>30404473 here repeated 4 times then scaled down.
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>>30404524
No fucking shit.
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>>30404541
So why so butthurt? It's exactly the same as the one that was used here >>30403091
.
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>>30404541

>damage control
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>>30404568
>>30404577
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>>30404608
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>>30404639
That's grazy well made. Were these handmade? Because if so i'll serk ur dek out of respect.
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>>30404687
Handmade, except for all the machines used.
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>>30404712
massive props. I hope to be as good as u one day senpai! All I want in life is to either git gud at sewing so I can go full tactical tailor/mystery ranch and produce my own multicam gear so I don't have to wait for the army to give me shit that I can't effectively use.
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>>30404746
Oh, I can't take all the credit for making them! That's mostly because I had nothing to do with them being made.
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Just bought tiger striped pants, blouse, t-shirt, tactical short pants, and a boonie. Also a beret. I can't wait for them to come it
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>>30404779
shut up, let me live my fantasy and suck dicks you faggot
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>>30404803
wear them all to school.
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>>30404803
>tiger stripe tactical short pants
I need this. My tiger boonie made by propper has lasted me about 5 years now
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>>30404877
Great idea. The problem is I'm out of school so I'd probably get shot by the security officer.
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>>30404916
Not if you wear the shorts over the pants. Then he wouldn't know what the fuck to think.
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I have 3 boxes of Vietnam camo net
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>>30404959
make a ghillie suit, go innawoods in washington state and start killing deputys.
it's the only way
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If I order a bayonet from Varusteleka and have it shipped to the US. NYS specifically will ,y package be confiscated in customs? only asking because the only international orders ive had have been clothing and bootleg Chinese electronics
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>>30405052
>NYS
What the heck is that?

I've had knives shipped from Switzerland with no problem. Vtower doesn't have any disclaimers about knives so I think it would be fine.
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>>30405104
>new york state
https://www.varusteleka.com/en/product/czech-vz58-bayonet-surplus/10862?qref=bayonet
this one has a Disclaimer
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>>30405137
Huh, I don't know. Try sending them an email about it.
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>>30405137
>Google New York Knife Laws

Wow that was hard
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>>30404492
That one isn't his.
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>>30405011
Could you not come shit up my gun rights pls
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>>30406024
Don't care. they drew first blood, not me.
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>>30406060
What did the state of Washington do to you exactly?
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>>30406072
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1LO6gGXcIhU
I hope you're kidding
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>>30405052
>>30405137
My Swiss bayonet came in just fine.
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>>30402797
350 shipped with 2A GOST, I was impatient and paid extra because
>lol size 1
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>>30404283
Sumrak huh?

>>30404324
You're thinking of the cut pattern. I didn't pay as much for the image.

>>30404473
How annoying. I told him not to upload it. I suppose it's done now though. Looks like he at least used the low res one we started with though. Guess that explains why he did it at the time.
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>>30404514
Works in snow.

I wouldn;t get too excited, it;s not the finished version it took us two months to get to.

>>30404687
>>30404712
>>30404746
Sewn by only the finest Romanian virgin girls.
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>>30407284

No labor like cheap labor
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>>30407306
I discovered that Belarus was miles cheaper than them even, but I wouldn't expect the same quality somehow.

Whilst it might mean the pound is down aginst the Euro, if we fuck off from the EU I'll actually be better off because there won;t be this blanket VAT that we have.
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>>30407315

Just hold off buying from the US for a bit while it balances back out.

I'm just happy Paypal is back for Varus

>M05 soon
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>>30407335
I'm completely out of room in my room anyway, taking pictures of the collection and there's stuff everywhere.
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>>30400394
Most surplus stores should have repros.
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>>30402427
>>30400394
http://www.heddels.com/2014/12/definitive-buyers-guide-m-65-field-jackets/

This might be more up your alley
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Found a pic of a Venezuelan anti-government biker protester wearing a leaf M65, I've never even seen pictures of regular army wearing them.
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>>30407593
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>>30399269
Who shot the couch?
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>>30398922

what boots are those? is that your bull?
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>>30407736
yes, wife wanted one with a bigger dick so we're getting rid of this one
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>>30402766
Army liq-shop
Hard to find pictures, but it is the official Swiss government store for surplus.

I so badly want to go there, maybe I will in about a month.
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>>30407593
>>30407605
What did you pay for your m65? There's been a uniform set up on a site I frequent for a while now, I just haven't pulled the trigger on it.
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>>30408578
spook, you should buy my shit :^)
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>>30408578
Also, can you post a pic of the tag?
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>>30408590
Which piece of shit?

>I only say this out of jealously.
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>>30408605
read the thread. I'm selling a bunch of stuff.
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>>30405496
same
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Had to do something to get tfwnogf off my mind.
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>>30407736
Doc Martens.

I'd never sub to a nigger, he's one of my housemates who occasionally gets roped into these things.
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>>30408826

Fug, looks like I also got attaching an image off my mind, lel.
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>>30408837
Doesn't look half bad, microkarst.
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>>30408836
It seems you are happy with that Union Jack.
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>>30408914
I certainly am, thank you.
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>>30408864

Smaller patterns do look better on smaller items. Proportions and shit, fambula.
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Anyone know a good alternative to PO boxes for receiving packages? PO boxes where I live are fucking expensive.
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>>30409548
What's up with house delivery?
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>>30409592
I won't be able to order packages to my house for a while. For reasons.
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>>30409548
USPS PO boxes are only $50 a year. You can't handle $4.17 a month?
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>>30409605
They all have their own prices based on location. Plus I would probably need to get a medium or large box.
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>>30409639
No you wouldn't. Get the smallest and when a package comes in you'll find a key in your box. There are larger boxes that are used for temporary boxes. Open your little one take the key open the big one get your box and the key back in your little box. If they don't have any of the temporary boxes there'll be a slip of paper you take to the counter and the clerk will hand you your box.
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>>30409679
Will there be an extra fee for overflow or something?
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>>30409696
Nope.
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Get it while the getting's good, fambinos.

(Would look ally as fvck when combined with a random mishmash of MTP and desert DPM items).
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>>30408837
Soooo... how many of those are you going to make?
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Just saw this set posted on US Militaria Forum for $250

Jacket, pants and webgear UCP-D
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>>30409548
I get a free PO box.
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>>30399448
You want sixty bucks for a strich shirt?
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>>30408578

Paid $60 for it. From animal on ebay.

Tag was just one tiny size tag on the back of the neck, no other tags or stamps.

>>30408775

>Doran Doran

Hungry like the Bogan

>>30410167

That's actually a pretty damn good deal.
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>>30409912
Where did you get that and how much was it?
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>>30410167
I actually like it.
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>>30400463
Polish black moro? If it's legit, 50ish. If it's repro, 25.
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Telny, why are you selling your Galil? You seemed pretty in love with it given how many photos you've taken with it.
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>>30410594

A dude sold it to me for 15.
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>>30410667
An ESTDCU UBAC? Who? Does he have more???
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>>30410568
Cheers, thanks.

>>30410594
He's Estonian, which makes it a little easier to find 'stonian stuff. It sold for $80 on an auction he had, but the guy didn't pay.

>>30410611
It's commercial, but a nice piece anyways. I'd pay $30 if I couldn't find my own.

Trench, I'm sure you wouldn't have much trouble selling that piece on ebay for like 30 with a 40 BIN.
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>>30410667
>desert dpm with the estpat trousers

I have an erection.
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>>30410693
Can he get woodland ESTDCU too? What's his Ebay?
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>>30410712
Here's the link to the listing, he put it up a few days ago.

He's a good guy, always rocks starting his listings at $0.99

http://www.ebay.com/itm/222166856394

>*I'm not affiliated with this listing*

Thing is huge btw
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>>30410709

That combo shows up quite often on late 00s pictures.
Estonian combat shirts didn't exist at the time, so EDF troops serving alongside Britbongs acquired some DPM ones from them.
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>>30410739
Nice, thanks a ton man, I've been looking for some ESTDCU forever
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>>30410793
Np, he gets woodland stuff from time to time, but I'd check frequently if I were you as he gets other neato stuff too.
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>>30410557
It's a hand made polish strichtarn jacket for cadets from what I can tell.
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>>30410693
>>30410611
Niggas pls. This ain't Europe. Moro is uncommon here.
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>>30410944

I hope that name tape arrives soon, famalam.
What good is a scarce early type digital uniform if it's incomplete?
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>>30411704
I have to say, I do prefer the looks of the early green dominant to the later brown dominant. The deeper v-neck allows me to be more scandalous without an undershirt on.

Also, is there any special purpose to the pockets low on the pant legs? Or just normal extra storage?
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Cabella's is selling Tru Spec tacical response pants ($90) for $35. Got got a pair of black multicam since they've been on my amazon wishlist for ages.
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>>30411786

The leg pocket is for an Israeli bandage (others like the ever-so-prevalent Swedish ones simply won't fit); we had to carry those things around everywhere except for the parade square.

It badly hurts aesthetics though, causing the left trouser leg to hang low while the other one rides high.
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>>30412071
Ahhhh. that explains similar pockets on other trousers I have.
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>>30411989
Wow I didn't want new pants, and now I do.
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>>30411989
>Black Multicam

Never understood that one.
What's it supposed to blend with? Why not just go for plain black?
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>>30412206
I'm sure I read that solid black at night is more visible than most other things. I have no source for that though.
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>>30412216
Solid black actually sticks out at night (unless it's moonless) because it looks like a deep shadow moving around. A darker shade of the local colors shot through with black is better.
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>>30412269
Then I can see the slight value in mutiglam black. Stops you looking like darth vader.
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>>30412206
It's purely for stye puproses afaik. Multicam black I guess looks more intimidating than pure black and Police dept. can show off how much money they got wearing bling gear.
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>>30400394
https://www.vintagetrends.com/military/thumbnails.asp?MC=Military+Vintage&CA=Men&SC=Jackets%2FCoats&ST=M-65
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I love stuff like this, but how the hell do you actually use it?
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>>30412417
Buy a mortar faggot
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>>30412421
My rights to own artillery shall not be infringed.
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>>30412440
What're they gonna do, raid you? You have a mortar!
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>>30412417

Looks like one hell of a Frisbee to me.
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>>30412341
DPM temperate is actually stupidly good at night despite having light swaths. Flecktarn is great at night time too.
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>>30412216
>>30412269
>>30412341
>>30412352
It looks cool and I already have regular multi cam. Not tru spec but sill good.
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Thoughts?
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>>30412623
>Banesville
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>>30412847
Do you have one? They're pretty rare.
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>>30412847
About?
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>>30412847
Thats quite literally just a M05 cold weather clone.
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>>30412887
I don't, but I'd love to one.
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>>30412887
damn, can't even find this pic on google anymore, that's how rare these are
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>>30412887
No shit it's rare, it's a prototype.
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Got a scrambled eggs m65 today.
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>>30412985
>pic
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>>30409912
Can't you just give it to me? Pretty please?

>>30413005
Didn't you say you were broke?
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>>30413016
Couldnt pass it up for $35
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>>30413009
Pic is of the issued one.
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>>30409598
what brand jacket is this?
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>>30413037
wasn't implying that. Is that yours?
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>>30413062
Yes. like 6 of use have sets.
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You're a bong. You have no rights.
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>>30413089
dam son, you dabbin
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Battlefield relics from Normandy. Pieces of an M1 bloc clip, a M1903 stripper clip, a grenade ring and a 30-06 casing marked WRA 43.
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>>30412574
I really do just love that these guys let their grandparents continue to play army.
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>>30410490
Holocaust reparations?

>>30413042
filename
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>>30413911
>Holocaust reparations?
top kek
But no it's cause they don't deliver here and the PO is only open for 4 hours a day.
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>>30414008
Oh yeah I forgot you lived in the middle of fucking nowhere. I sometimes wish I was that lucky.
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>>30413327

Trade in?

My history teacher in my senior year of high school was West German, he went to a few battlefields and went metal-detecting, brought in a bunch of shrapnel, casings, a spade, some various mess kit pieces, and a M1916 helmet he dug up in Europe and showed the class during our World War lessons.
I'd love to do that, but I don't know how difficult it would be to bring that stuff back to the US. I love watching those videos of guys digging up helmets and weapons and stuff.
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>>30414434
What is the legality of doing that anyway?
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>>30414471

I have no idea honestly.
I'd imagine like web gear and helmets would be fine, back in the day my teacher said when he went through airport security they asked him about it, he just said he had a helmet and a shovel head and random bits he dug up and that he was a history buff and they waved him through.
I can't imagine there being much fuss about it even today as long as it's not in your carryon, but I do think you need to check with whoever's property you dug in and the local police to verify they let you do it and that they let you keep that stuff and that it's not contraband.
I don't know about shells or casings but I'm pretty sure they won't let you take back a Stg-44 receiver.
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>>30414545
> I'm pretty sure they won't let you take back a Stg-44 receiver.
Shiiiet.

>milsurp euro hunting tip when?
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>>30414606

It'll be like an easter egg hunt

only more swearing and drinking

and milsurp
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>>30414699
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>>30414699
I wish...but odds are you would all bail and it would just be me and Trench again. ;^)
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