http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/hawaii-becomes-first-us-state-to-place-gun-owners-on-fbi-database/ar-AAhBtsP
Isn't this a special kind of unconstitutional?
Jesus Christ Hawaii, if you don't want to be a part of America just fucking secede already.
Scrapping the 5th Amendment to attack the 2nd and calling it common sense. Fuck these traitors.
>go to hawaii with a gun because sure, why not.
>Have to register for Rap Back
>get falsely accused or arrested
>charges dropped
>police can and do decide you can no longer own a gun if that's what they want
>leave state
>deprived of firearm and right to carry forever without ever going to court
Brilliant!
>>30398148
-gun owner lawmaker says it's common sense.
pretty cool how the comments are roasting HI and are super pro 2A. this ought to get tossed out for being wildly unconstitutional
anyone know what came of that retarded "sit in" anyways
>>30398148
>America's AIDS colony does some fagy shit.
I'm neither surprised nor worried.
>>30398152
yeah, the Firearm Owners Protection Act directly forbids the federal government from keeping a registry of non NFA firearms owners.
by linking gunowners to the Rap Back program hawaii is attepmting to subvert federal law by putting gun owners on a federal database.
They may be able to fuck with Hawaii residents, but the minute an out of state resident is forced onto the list they have a serious problem.
I hope Hawaii gets fucked hard for this
>>30398198
oh no, see, it's ok because you can be removed from the database after you leave the state.
>>30398206
heres your (you)
>>30398192
>anyone know what came of that retarded "sit in" anyways
echo chambers pandering to echo chambers
>>30398188
a gun owner lawmaker like this one?
>>30398206
>>30398148
We just don't want a mass shooting in this state like in the mainland.
>>30398237
I'll bite, this retarded shit isn't going to stop it.
>>30398206
This is worthy of a special (You)
>>30398242
Yeah but it's what everyone believes.
I ask my family and friends and they truly believe gun control will stop mass shootings.
>>30398237
How will being on a database stop them?
>oh he is on our list there is no way he could just walk into some stinky hulanigger event and start blasting
>>30398248
You have no choice, you have to shoot your family
>>30398248
Well, now we have a chance to test it. An island, far removed from the American mainland, gets to be our Guinnea pig. If gun control doesn't stop shootings, then we'll get to watch that play out, and everyone can forever hold it over the heads of anti-gunners. Huzzah.
>>30398254
>hulanigger
lmao
Hopefully some jawas just suicide bomb that shithole instead
>>30398148
The state can have a registry if it likes, but placing them into a federal one violates FOPA. Not sure how this even got approved
>>30398206
> irrational opposition to law enforcement investigations is what caused the florida massacre
You mean like halting the investigations because of worries of religious discrimination? The guy was interviewed more stringently than people who get a security clearance; he took an explosive belt with him, how on earth would have banning guns stopped this?
>>30398254
>hulanigger
Ok you don't have to be an asshole,but to answer your question.
Being on a database helps because it lets us know if any gun owner was arrested for being a criminal.This makes it easier for our law enforcement to know potential threats to our state.
So if a gun owner from this state gets arrested anywhere else in the U.S. and then he comes back, we will know if he is a threat or not
>>30398206
>>30398243
Now, I see this is backed by the Meme Reserve, but what about the lul standard?
>>30398278
Religious freedom is only protected by the constitution if you're a white rural christian
Everyone else isn't an american and should be deported, therefore this isn't about guns, it's about liberals who want to destroy america
t. Gun Logic
>>30398286
lulz are inherently unstable, (You)s last forever.
>>30398261
>shoot your family
That's dumb and I can't even try because I'll have to wait a year before being 21
>>30398192
A sit in is supposed to be dangerous, there is supposed to be the threat of getting arrested, of getting harmed, etc. It was done to get the momentum from stupid people who would buy their Selma LARPing as something genuine.
They were getting pizza delivered and on their smartphones the whole time inside a building protected by 7000 guns, im not sure this publicity stunt it had the impact they wanted.
but the stupid and most desperate for the narrative they want will buy it, like my mother.
>>30398283
>Ok you don't have to be an asshole
Didn't mean to steal Hawaiis primary profession.
>Being on a database helps because it lets us know if any gun owner was arrested for being a criminal.
How do you think the rest of the country gets along?
>This makes it easier for our law enforcement to know potential threats to our state
>wife beaters and people breaking hawaiis nonsensical gun laws are threats to the state
>So if a gun owner from this state gets arrested anywhere else in the U.S. and then he comes back, we will know if he is a threat or not
Is he suddenly a threat because of a crime committed?
Here we have no registry and felons must liquidate their firearms if they own any, we put felons on lists, not people who have not broken any laws.
Thank you for giving me more reason never to enter this Orwellian state.
>>30398286
i'm still mad about my internets stockpile that is next to worthless.
>>30398185
>police can and do decide you can no longer own a gun if that's what they want
>leave state
>deprived of firearm and right to carry forever without ever going to court
Nice bait but this bill only notifies local police
>>30398323
>How do you think the rest of the country gets along?
Badly, all the mass shootings and terrorism happen in the mainland because of shitty gun control laws
>Is he suddenly a threat because of a crime committed?
Yes and local police are notified so if a mass shooting or terrorist activity happens they can pull up the list and plan accordingly.
>>30398389
>this bill only notifies local police
>"The law, which takes effect immediately, allows police in Hawaii to evaluate whether a firearm owner should continue to possess a gun after being arrested."
>>30398204
doesnt matter.
the FOPA prohibits it.
that doesnt mean, "its ok to do it you for a little bit then you can go ahead and take care of yourself getting your shit cleared"
it means "the congress and president have expressly forbidden you from doing this kind of shit, Hawaii, and if you dont stop then a judge somewhere is going to push you shit all the way in"
>>30398401
I was being sardonic but hopefully this gets cleared up soon.
>>30398399
>“This bill, it doesn’t even say your gun will automatically be taken away, it just means local police will be notified,”
Will Espero the State Senator and co-author of this bill
>>30398415
>it doesn’t even say your gun will automatically be taken away
Not mutually exclusive from:
>allows police in Hawaii to evaluate whether a firearm owner should continue to possess a gun after being arrested.
>>30398415
>it doesn’t even say your gun will automatically be taken away
No, just that the police have the authority to do so.
>>30398204
also, rap back is a program for people in occupations requiring extra scrutiny, not a program for someone exercising their constitutional rights
>>30398204
>Can
>>30398430
Yes. Can.
Which is more authority than they should have.
Hawaiians are literally worse than niggers. They're fat and stupid, and wouldn't even be a state if they didn't have beaches real Americans like to go to.
Can we finally kick this shithole out of the country?
>>30398429
>rap back is a program for people in occupations requiring extra scrutiny
No, it's everyone taking a gun into the state of hawaii and everyone who owns a gun in the state of hawaii.
>>30398427
>>30398422
>Police can take away MUH GUNS
If you have been arrested you are obviously a threat to the State and must be evaluated
>>30398455
5th amendment.
>>30398283
Is Reddit leaking?
>>30398450
So did Hawaii suddenly not have the constitution apply when I wasn't looking?
You fucking pineapple negros need to learn that you live by the same rules as the rest of us.
>>30398461
>5th amendment.
Keep spouting that nonsense even though this bill is completely legal and adheres to the Constitution and not only that it makes this State a better and safer State.
I hope California or Washington is next to follow our example so more people can see that this bill is a good thing
>>30398471
it must be that knife poster who couldn't own guns because he was only 19
>>30398480
You strung me along for quite a while.
>>30398321
Do you know how many stupid people this worked on though? It's alot. Many, many people don't know how the voting for those bills actually went down and blindly blame the Republicans.
>>30398477
>pineapple negros
Fuck off we still hate you mainland faggots for taking over
>>30398389
And here I though it is country in civil war to the south, radical Islamist that vote for democrats and shitty health and education system to be blamed.
Silly me. Lets just blame the guns.There totally is a correlation between number of guns and homicide rate. Just look at how those 2 numbers changed in the last 30 years. Gun numbers go up, and homicide rates.... wait, what do you mean homicide rates have fallen been the lowest since the 1960s? Shit, now I have to appeal to emotion since no statistics actually points to what my agenda is. Maybe if I specifically tailor the criteria? I know, I will make a number of "mass shootings" a year! Oh no sadly, before 00s there isn't a good number of those, so I will just like guess 5 in 1986.? Sounds good. Now now...
>>30398389
"Plan accordingly" is always the same. SWAT team. Always swat team. At no point will that change, barring an unusual Waco incident.
>>30398521
Go back to /pol/
>>30398512
Don't hate the player, hate the game.
>>30398512
If u want you can try and invade. If you can capture DC, you win, promise.
>>30398512
THEN DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT
Your native lost the islands because
>LOL pinapples grow here. Dude! Let's take the island and sell their pinapples!
Literally this happened over night with no fight
>>30398538
>>30398507
>many people don't know how the voting for those bills actually went down and blindly blame the Republicans
Mind educating me on the process? I'm hungover as shit and don't feel like wading through bullshit news media to find the actual hard answers.
>>30398551
>Your native lost the islands because
>>LOL pinapples grow here. Dude! Let's take the island and sell their pinapples!
>Literally this happened over night with no fight
You are fucking baiting and I know it. I'm not going to get angry
>>30398574
Honestly you have my sincerest sympathies for having lawmakers this braindead, personally.
>>30398289
At least hide the hook with some meat achmed
>>30398512
I'm sure you would have loved the japs :^)
>>30398389
>legally obtained gun
>criminal
Waaaaaaaat? Oh right antigunnr logic.
>>30398585
Honestly I think they just want to be relevant by being the first State to do something like this.
>>30398480
>is completely legal and adheres to the Constitution
Except it doesn't.
>>30398627
You look really stupid with that hook in your mouth.
>>30398574
I fucking wish i was kidding. The navy and marines took over Hawaii for Chiquita banana company and for base property.
>>30398621
They are going to get fucked by the courts though, so I fail to see the point of even bothering.
I say as punishment we steal all their spam and pineapples.
>>30398636
>their spam
They can keep it.
>>30398633
I gots low iron. Plus I could see some idiot using this logic on fagbook.
>>30398634
>Chiquita banana company
Here is your (You)
>>30398283
>arrested
yeah, thats the problem anon, not everyone that gets arrested is convicted.
Personally, I think you should be on an FBI watch list for speaking your opinion about the 2nd amendment.
You ever retained a lawyer to defend you? Why would you do that uness you did something wrong? Watch list.
Oh you want to use the "whites only" bathroom? Watch list time.
Why do you need to go from pennsylvania to ohio, you live and work in Pittsburgh and dont have any family in Ohio? Thats a watch listin'.
see how this goes?
>>30398649
You are literally thinking as if Government is run by retards without common sense
>>30398570
There were 4 bills related to UBCs and using the no fly list as reference for the checks. The two D proposed bills went full retard and offered no due process to challenge being on the list. Rs had a their own versions that implemented a means to challenge and expunge the listings to follow due process, kinda. Ds blocked together and voted no to the two R bills, which were the real compromise bills. Most everyone voted down the D bills. D's acted indignified and made the weak ass 1 day sit in because feels and not understanding law.
>>30398659
It is.
Every government is.
It's, like, the primary and frequently sole qualification for becoming a politician, and has been since the fall of the Roman Republic.
>>30398225
Didn't he have a MoH tho?
>>30398659
He should be, because it is.
>>30398659
So much bait in this thread.
>>30398455
You've got to be kidding me? Bootlicking scum.
>>30398666
>>30398672
How is it being paranoid all the time that the Government will somehow take away your rights?
>>30398701
>Bootlicking scum
Thinking like that will get you shot.You need to bend over because they like to ass fuck you more than a simple boot licking
>>30398702
It is realistic and sobering.
Grow the fuck up, or better yet go read some history.
This is fucking inexcusable. Where is my country going?
>>30398702
Why do leftists trust the Government so much?
>>30398206
Go back to /b retard
>>30398702
It beats being a Hawaiian.
>>30398312
>needing a handgun to kill people
Are you just a complete retard or what?
>>30398659
>You are literally thinking as if Government is run by retards without common sense
You are literally thinking as if the government has no self serving interest. That politicians make decisions on feelings and not facts, and ignore basic rights and use them as precedent.
People cry about the slippery slope argument. But the slippery slope argument is about unrelated things.
Not related things; US law is based on precedent. If you set a precedent that it is constitutional to restrict freedom of speech based on what is considered hateful, you can bet your ass that pepsicola is going to take down your video review of the new mountain dew calling it piss as "hate speech."
Corporations are people. Guess what? That's hate speech against them. Explain the difference between criticism of them and criticism of a person.
You can see why pepsicola would support anti hate speech. It protects their brand from being damaged.
So you want to put people on a watch list for purchasing dangerous things?
That's fine. I want to put people on a watch list for owning hazardous chemical weapons.
Sounds nice when I word it that way.
Of course I keep it nice and quiet that I meant amonia and bleach. And now I have a watch list for every home in America.
>>30398765
>>30398312
In some states you have to be 21 to buy a gun if memory serves.
What's the difference between this and having to register any "assault rifle" I.e ak or ar in New York
>>30398790
Not much but these paranoid assholes will always find a way to make it seem like it's a lot
>>30398776
Hawaii, Illinois, and D.C. require you to be 21, so go to the store and buy some pipe and a 2x4.
>>30398790
Because one is blatantly illegal and totally outside the spirit of the constitution, while the other is only arguably illegal and outside the spirit of the constitution.
>>30398803
No thanks, I'll just continue living where I live now that isn't a hell hole of basic rights.
>>30398790
>>30398802
One is registering a firearm, one's registering a person.
>>30398790
Do you know the difference between a single shot .22 and an assault rifle?
>>30398179
I mean, they didn't want to be part of america in the first place.
How quick is this shit getting shot down by SCOTUS?
Good finally something is being done about it!
I'm just hoping the ssa gun ban law comes into effect as well which will take away guns from all the dumbfucks diagnosed with autism and those that relies on a payee and don't get me fucking started on the cripples.
At least I have confidence that /k/ supports the new gun control on the ssa residents just like how we managed to get the va gun control into effect.
Keep up the good work /k/!
Fucking libs. Its not ok to tweek the constitution.
I know. Ive been hoping to get the 13th adjusted so i can own a few women legit like.
Apparently thats illegal.
>>30398430
Lets hear you defend civil forfeiture laws.
>>30398702
are you for real? this thread is about the real life (Hawaiian) government taking away our rights.
are you so daft as to have already forgotten?
>>30398958
If voter fraud isn't real, why do a) dems oppose measures to control it and b) conspiracy theorize about the 2000 election.
>>30398148
>state augmenting a federal database by their own hand.
No. What they are really doing is making a state list and adding gun owners to it with their own database.
Regardless, this will get lightning-struck as it violates FOPA.
>>30398851
As soon as a challenging case works its way up the circuits. Wish the SC could work more proactively against obviously bad laws.
>>30398873
>I'm just hoping the ssa gun ban law comes into effect as well which will take away guns from all the dumbfucks diagnosed with autism and those that relies on a payee and don't get me fucking started on the cripples.
Just read into this.
Well that just ruined my day.
>>30399034
Want to know something shitty
/k/ 100% fully supports it as well you should have seen the threads when the word of the gun control about it got out.
>>30399144
That is shitty, actually.
>>30398660
Technically it was the House doing it right after the senate vote, but if the Senate curbstomps all bills passing some in the House does nothing.
>>30399149
I know.
I am diagnosed with autism and I live with my family but I collect old guns and clean them up and put them up on my wall.
It fucking sucks because if this gets passed all my mausers, enfields, mosins, sprinfields and other ww2 and ww1 guns will be taken away from me and it will effect others that are in the same house as I am because they will not be allowed to have a gun as well.
My mom just got a handgun because she was almost robbed and this bill is going to affect her because she is in the same house as I am.
It's shitty that /k/ supports this bill because they "don't want autistics owning guns"
>>30399205
You are not violent.
You are not a danger to yourself or others.
There is no link psychologically between the two.
Dumb question, do you have a payee? Were you deemed unfit or incompetent by a court or adjudicated?
>>30398179
Far as I'm concerned they just did. I consider us having 49 states now, probably be 48 soon (looking at you California). If you don't want to follow the law of the land, you are not a part of this country anymore in my mind.
>>30399257
Yes to be honest my mother is my payee but I'm not lazy or anything though, it's just I'm unable to actually count money effectively or work in a fast pace job because of my lack of doing math in my head well and the fact I have autism but I'm not stupid or violent.
I help with my family and besides times are getting hard for my family so I'm helping them out around the house, I just like to collect old guns because I like history and it isn't fair that the gun control is going to effect me and my family and everyone else that is in the same situation as I am.
I was diagnosed with autism but I was never deemed unfit or anything and I never broke any laws.
>>30398263
It doesnt matter what happens. They are going to find a way to make it look good. You hear about how much BS they have about "NRA banned gun research," they are going to use random ass Universities to study these bills in Hawaii. Then they have a one two punch to push for more biased gun control bills and studies to support the bills.
>>30399352
My dad has a payee. He is sharp as a tack. He can't afford a computer or a car so he needs someone to pay his rent for him. Basically his payee pays his bills for him and he hates it. They used to make him live on 40 a week. I assure I'm more familiar with the system then the average /k/ommando and most don't understand what it means. Don't forget that the average veteran is also on SSA and disability. Could you imagine being promised that uncle Sam would take care of you, only to give your leg to service, go on disability, put in the car, and be told by armchair generals they don't deserve to defend their own life anymore?
I am glad about one thing, that anti-gunner states will never be able to secede from the union without guns in order to enforce their anti-gun laws.
>>30398148
Isn't that illegal?
>>30398659
It matches the known facts, so for now we'll go with yes.
>>30399144
>/k/ 100% fully supports it
Wow, /k/ is apparently a monolithic entity!
You're thinking like the collectivist leftists you ninny.
>>30398851
It's gotta go through the Ninth Circuit Court, first. Depending on the panel that sits for the case, that could be as far as it goes.
>>30399677
Then you were obviously not around the threads a few days ago when this was brought up
/k/ was literally chearing up about it and when the discussion of the matter the threads were derailed twice about it
>>30398480
enjoy, because your state has now made itself the next target for a false-flag 'terrorist' attack engineered courtesy of president nigger and secretary cunton to show that TOUGHER laws are needed.
the slope is steep and slippery
>>30398389
>they can pull up the list and plan accordingly.
I legitimately laughed out loud. Thank you.
>>30399264
dumbass, we want to save commiefornia from the shitheads and messicans not boot it
Is there actually someone in this thread supporting this blatantly unconstitutional bullshit
>>30398746
Because a good portion of them know they are fucking mental and have to place their rights in the hands of others lest they do something, in turn restricting the rights of those around them because they can't be bothered with things such as "responsibility" or "self-consciousness".
That's why you have all the regressive left fuck-tards saying "I could shoot that guy and probably will too! Better restrict my ability to buy guns so other people like me aren't able to get them!"
>>30399205
actually your post is full of lies and misinfo, though im unsure if its intentional or not
>>30398958
It wasnt really a race thing. But a couple black girls would be nice.
>>30400311http://www.independentsentinel.com/over-4-million-social-security-recipients-could-lose-gun-rights-if-they-cant-balance-a-checkbook/
Just looked it up about it.
Apparently he isn't lying google search is flustered with this recent gun ban attempt
>>30398659
best post in this thread
>>30400138
This truly pisses me off. I'm in grad school and hear shit like this:
Person 1: "One of my friends who owns guns said he'd shoot and kill someone if they threatened his life."
Person 2: "That's ridiculous, that's awful."
Person 1: "Yeah, it sounds too crazy. I'd shoot them in the leg or something."
Person 2: "Yeah, why kill someone?"
>>30398248
Will you remove the database once a mass shooting proves that it doesn't stop mass shootings?
>>30398152
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haynes_v._United_States
No
>>30401090
I wonder if these retards know that they can easily severe an artery with a leg wound and kill a man via them bleeding out?
Who am I kidding? Of course they don't. They're just parroting stuff that they saw from Hollywood.
>>30398215
>>30398235
>>30398243
>>30398285
>>30398293
>>30398499
>>30398148
this isn't even the worst one they passed. Consider the one that requires firearm owners to surrender their weapons if diagnosed with a mental, behavioral or emotional disorder.
>>30398646
Them's were the fuckers that got the CIA to start a 42 year long civil war in Guatemala- but they had a different name back then.
>>30401090
My mom thought shoot to wound was a thing until we finally went to the range and shot some pistols this year.
>>30398263
Because that worked in California?
>>30398263
>he thinks the liberals care if a law actually works vs how good it feels and sounds
>>30398512
Maybe if you had some firearms you could have fought back. Bow down to the haoles, nigga. Plus you got McDonalds so be stoked
>>30398148
This is just steps away from
>Buying a gun puts you on a watchlist that prevents you from buying a gun.
>>30398179
>Jesus Christ Hawaii, if you don't want to be a part of America just fucking secede already.
A lot of them really do want to.
>>30398659
But it is.
>I should know, I work for it.
>And yes I have been accused repeatedly in life of lacking common sense, not without merit either
Hey /haw/
>>30398237
You don't remember the xerox building do you?
>>30401090
I don't even argue with people anymore for the most part. I made the mistake of arguing with a bunch of leftists on Huffpo when I read about the Schumer sketch
>You should be able to sue arms manufacturers if a gun is used in a crime!
Why? Why should a company like Glock be liable for a criminal illegally using their legally purchased product?
>Because guns are DESIGNED to kill people!
>>30399352
You could be the mascot needed to keep unfair, unreasonable, and ineffective gun control laws off the books
godspeed, my little history buff
>>30401537
>If gun control doesn't stop shootings, then we'll get to watch that play out, and everyone can forever hold it over the heads of anti-gunners. Huzzah.
Except it doesn't work like that. Leftists believe that if current gun control measures don't work that just means that those measures are too lax.
>BAN THE "ASSAULT RIFLE 15"
What are they going to do when banning ARs doesn't do anything and mass shooters migrate to handguns or Mini-14s for the next Orlando?
>B-BAN MAGAZINES BIGGER THAN 8 ROUNDS
What are they going to do when someone shows them that you can swap out mags and tap the slide release on modern pistols in less than a second?
>B-BAN SEMIAUTOMATICS!
What are they going to do when rampage shooters use pump-action shotguns?
Then during the whole debacle they build databases of gun owners so that they know exactly who to look for when it's time to do "mandatory buybacks" for 1/10 of actual value in Walmart gift cards and no one complies. After this Hawaii story it's not paranoia anymore.
It's happening.
>>30398152
Any form of gun laws are unconstitutional but that doesn't stop the government from enacting them.
>>30402902
>What are they going to do when rampage shooters use pump-action shotguns?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Washington_Navy_Yard_shooting
