Alright, what the fuck is this thing for? I've been looking for sword glossaries but all they've been is generic definitions for shit. Some signs point to basket hilt but what the fuck. I can't imagine what use specifically a hoop on the side of a hilt can have.
>>30385972
It's to protect your hand.
>>30385972
It's for thrusting through truck hoods.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I0S3cjd-emk
5:04
>>30386028
But that's what the crossguard's for? I understand a basket hilt kinda thing but that's just a fuckin, loop, I'd say it has something to do with parrying if that made any sense.
It's part of the evolution of complex handguards.
>>30385972
it protects the hand from a blade coming down the side, it later evolved into the basket hilt
>>30386031
Oh, so it's just an extra handle when you're holding it underhanded?
>>30386043
Well yes. A cross-guard is to protect your hand during an edge-to-edge block. If you block with the flat, your can counter effectively, but without a basket hand-guard or this, you can't use the flat to control your opponents blade. A basket is more appropriate for a one-handed sword obviously, this lets you KEEP the traditional grip for a 1.5 or 2 handed sword.
>>30385972
You stick ur hand in there so you can dual weild Zweihanders
>>30386043
crossguards protect your hand when blade parrying, the ring protects the largest portion of your hand that sticks out from attacks that didn't hit your blade.
when these rings started to become common, shields began to see a decline with knights (though it did still see use on horseback and with the poorer folk) because of the protection granted by plate harnesses and gauntlets.
it's part of the evolution that eventually became the fancy gothic hilts of the 1800s. because a knight isn't in armor 24-7. he'll want more protection for his hands if he ever needed to use his sword outside of his armor.
>>30385972
It's for slipping your dick through (erect obviously) while handle slides under your taint and gripped with your ass cheeks. The cross guard goes across your lap for leverage.
Suffice to say it's a pretty high-level technique for only true master swordsman.
>>30386118
>>30385972
It's the beginning of more elaborate handguard on swords.
Turns out it wasn't goddamn free or easy for a Smith to add more bullshit to a sword, so they made it somewhat simpler. If you look on German Messers for instance you will see a simple bar of steel where that ring is, that is a "nail" and serves the same purpose, to protect your fingers wrapped around the hilt.
As swords evolved and became a one handed affair the basket wrapped around the hand, but you can see such a design of handguard on even rapiers and small swords designed for Renaissance fencing.
It comes down to protecting your hands as well as possible for a cheap as possible, that ring of steel would do that just fine.
>>30385972
It's a ring guard, dude.
https://youtu.be/jfQmVQIgwa4
>>30386140
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>>30385972
>>30386043
It's more complicated to make and more protective compare to standard cross guard.
It mainly exists to protect your right hand while binding(engagement of the weapons, typically occurs after one combatant has attacked and the other has parried.).
>>30385972
It's for mounting accessories, like optics or a light.
>>30386308
this
>>30386031
Kek I was wondering about why they were doing these demonstrations with disgusting fat fucks, surely they could find one guy in decent shape to do this shit, and then they bring him out for the pull-up test.
>>30386031
>>30386373
Christ why would you do that to a sword
>>30385972
Its called a ring guard you ponce.
https://www.youtube.com/user/scholagladiatoria
that's the cup holder
>>30385972
It's the hand thing that goes up.
>>30385972
its a bayonet for a cannon
>>30385972
It's a fucken cup holder.
Sometimes the dumbness of you guys is physical.
It's for lanterns
You gotta see the enemy to hit them with a sword, it's basically the predecessor to sticking a flashlight on a handgun
>>30386373
It would be more impressive if one of the fat fucks would do pull-ups on the sword.
>>30385972
it's called nail or something like that, see them on grosse messers
oh, found it:
Its hilt included a straight cross-guard and Nagel: a nail-like (Nagel literally means 'nail') protrusion that juts out from the right side of the cross-guard away from the flat of the blade, to protect the wielder’s hands.
It's to hold your beer.
After you slay your enemies you stab the fucking ground like a boss, then you can use it to hold your beer while you rape their widows.
>>30385972
>But that's what the crossguard's for?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jfQmVQIgwa4
>>30386111
> because a knight isn't in armor 24-7. he'll want more protection for his hands if he ever needed to use his sword outside of his armor.
I think complex hilts rising in 15th century have more to deal with firearms. Reloading gun wearing gauntlets is very cumbersome. So at least right hand is left without protection and hilts started to grow to compensate it.
It makes it easier to hang on the wall since you can buy guns now.
>>30386043
>>30385972
> what is part of the guard for
> to protect your hand
> "but that's what the guards for?"
IT IS PART OF THE GUARD YOU IMBECILE
>>30387777
The nagel is only on messers, those are siderings and they aren't nails, like, well the nagel is. They serve the same purpose, but because the construction is different, it's not referred with the same terms.
Siderings are just stuff added on the guard to better protect the hands hand thumb especially. Later on, more rings were added up until the complex basket hilt guard.
Basically, it's how you combine a discguard with a crossguard.
>>30386060
And it gives a wider protection than a nail that also doesn't poke your neck when you carry it.
>>30386373
He probably wasn't trained to use a sword
If you're not well trained, you end up slashing at an angle and you're practically slashing with the side of the sword and not the edge
Like, these guys don't even look all that well trained on top of that
Guards can be a lot more complex than just a medieval cross
![80bdff04f7415517acc383c233cdc96a[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/odexEfX.jpg "80bdff04f7415517acc383c233cdc96a[1].jpg")
>>30386111
Well, one of the earliest examples is just the simple nail guard, but obviously things will always get more complex and ornate.
>>30388727
The ring is important for the doubled edged swords since a lot of techniques involve thumbing the blade, so a messer does fine with a nagel since it's not in the way of your thumb on that side. If you want to protect your hand and still be able to thumb the blade then the rings are a very good way to do that.
>>30389039
You thumb on the left, Nagel is on the right, and yes, you thumb as well with Messers.
>>30386118
Someone draw this please
>>30390780
I got a Feder with rings, I could take a pic, just not sure if I am in the mood....
>>30387451
>those guys down range
>>30390818
>>30387451
Someone needs to capture that cows face
Perfect meme image for this thread
>>30390754
That's what i just said. On a messer a nagel is fine since it only has one edge but on a double edged sword you might switch it around so then a nagel would be in the way. So you have rings instead.
>>30390898
No, the rings and the nagel have the same purpose, but they are not related. first complex hilts had a ring on the right, where you have no thumb, rings on both sides only popped up like 50 years later.
>>30390933
Where did i imply they were related? I simply said that you can get away with using a nagel on a messer but not on a double edged sword because it would get in the way.
>>30387672
Surefire LNTRN-100, now only 40 copper pieces at your local Squire's Sporting Goods store.
>>30390991
>>30390933
>>30390898
>>30390754
>>30389039
>>30388727
you guys sound like a monty python skit.
>>30385972
normally you parry with the edge but with the loop you can parry with the flat side and keep your hand safe.
