>US naval dominance
>1945-2016
>>30385733
hmm this is probably pretty good bait, but I am not skilled in this particular area enough to tell...
>>30385733
I am rather surprised China does not have like 20 carriers at this point. Is there some reason they don't?
>>30385753
Lack of experience, astounding incompetence, and incredible amounts of corruption.
China is a paper tiger. Literally the only thing they have going for them is their population base and their cyber-warfare units.
>>30385733
Is it going to be CATOBAR or is it going to be the typical skijump cuckery that non-americans call "Carriers"?
>>30385753
Not much of a need, all they had to do was make lots of ships/subs to deter carrier groups and lockup shipping lanes in case of war. Not much of a need for a floating bombing platform if you have nothing to bomb or threaten to bomb.
>>30385753
you just wait.
I estimate they will speed up the production process after this.
We will be looking around 10 to 15 fleet by 2020
>>30385834
A bit of both according to fanart.
>>30385733
It will have a cuckramp, so who gives a fuck.
I cant sleep, was hoping for a good ole trollthread.
>>30385889
>Cat litterally right next to the ramp
Planes don't need wings. I did kek at the E-2, it appears northrup will make a few sales to the PLAN
>>30385880
They can barely even operate the Liaoning.
Them building 10-15 CVs (in ~3 years, which is is asinine by the way) would be more beneficial to the US than anything else; because they'd be playing into US strategy.
The US is king of carrier ops not because of numbers, but because of TTPs and experience.
>>30385733
Don't mind us.
find me a single picture of two or more chinese built carriers within the same frame.
I'll be waiting.
>>30385733
Impressive
Truly China has secured the future for themselves, after the fall of Europe, China is set to lead Asia and the world into the new millennium. With Chinese military security that is indigenous and effective for its purposes, European countries would do well to trade with China more in order to stabilize their falling economy and failing governments. Chinese bases in Europe is unavoidable.
>>30386589
So, basically C&C Generals then.
> So long as Merica can get a particle cannon satelite in orbit, we're good.
> Chinese bases in Europe is unavoidable.
And I still don't see how this will happen
Bases in EU from China against who? The Chinese's Fuck buddy Russia? How does that work?
>>30386589
Ha ha no. China has shit quality control. They can't even build proper escalators. The Party has a hand in every business. by the time the money to build the ships arrived at the builders, half have already been scraped off. The ships will be a death trap.
>>30386683
Against the terrorist hoards of course.
>>30385733
>Back-engineered copycat of Varyag 30 years later
>Gook copycat
>Two of them
Gook shill thread about gook engineering.
>>30385934
>E-2
They will probably just steal Yak-44 blueprints.
lol use harbor freight tools and then tell me again how the yellow horde is going to end our dominance
>>30385753
Inability to make that many, inability to make engines that can launch their aircraft off off them, and generally not being that great at this whole military thing.
>>30385753
Because that isn't the carrier type China wants.
>>30385889
>naval J-20
yeah ok
>>30388260
Would be smaller than the Su-27.
>>30386589
>impressive
You're easily impressed. You should get out more often.
>>30388286
It's heavier and has engines with less afterburning thrust, meaning it would be extremely limited in payload and fuel.
>>30385977
>barely even operate the Liaoning
Where do people get this bullshit? The Liaoning just sailed east of Guam. That's a long distance for a gas-powered carrier.
>>30385733
>only LMAO1CARRIER
>>30385753
Lack of experience, steady build up rather than an alarmists short build up, costs, etc.
Imagine China building 5 of these next year. The whole region would erupt. Even with 1 in few years, the region is already becoming tense.
>>30385733
Fucking fast.
Red are new added parts. Launch by end of this year.
>>30385733
A copy of Sovietshit is not impressive.
>>30385880
>i know nothing about shipbuilding : the post
>>30385733
>home made
Just like grandma used to make right?
3 carriers by 2025
>>30385733
...wake me when they finish two...yawn
>>30389555
>Implying you wouldn't want a carrier that always had the slight scent of cinnamon rolls.
>>30385880
>15 ships built in 4 years when they can hardly operate one
just kill yourself
>>30385834
What level of autism causes you to be constantly butthurt over what other countries navies do?
>>30389944
>Wanting to stay for extended periods of time in anything with one particular scent. 'Good things' especially food related, only last for so long before you want to shoot yourself.
>Work at a Ben and Jerry's offshoot at a water park.
>Fucking love that waffle cone scent for the first week.
>2 weeks in start getting kind of stale.
>3 weeks, getting tired of this shit.
>Start to get nauseous just walking up to the stand the 6th week in.
>Can't stand the smell of waffle cones now.
>>30389472
So, you're saying that China will have completed a cartoon of a carrier by the end of the year?
They're not very good at this, are they?
>>30386039
*thunderous clapping*
>>30389681
>the us will allow china to dominate sea power
>the us wont deploy UDT teams to "accidentally" blow a hole in the bottom
>>30388902
Not to mention can't launch from a carrier at the moment.
>>30385793
>Lack of experience, astounding incompetence, and incredible amounts of corruption.
You talking about America right?
I know that US Navy is ages ahead of China Navy but call them incompetence and corrupts is just stupid.
They'll only use those carriers to intimidate non-military nations like Vietnam, Indonesia, Malaysia and the Philippines.
Perhaps even park them near Taiwan.
Chinese naval action caught on film lol
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=65ozHMEWwmc
>>30390567
Fuckin btfo
>>30385733
>one carrier being built
Whats the fuss with China doing this anyway? India has 3 operational at the moment and 3 more already currently being built. On top of that, their new carriers arent just clones of 40 year old Soviet carriers. The Indian navy is so much mroe formidable than the Chinese one, and I dont know why people fellate the paper tiger that is China's "navy" when India's one is far more deserving of the respected rival place than China ever will be. On top of that India actually has relevant naval combat and carrier experience while China uses Brazilians and shit to teach them how to carrier. India\s navy is much more fearsome and is easily the second most powerful navy in the world behind the US. Instead of trying to say China is "catching up" to the US, we shouild compare it to India's instead.
>>30390593
>t. Sandeep Patel
>>30390616
>I cant refute these points so I'll resort to memes
Seriously. Name one good reason why China holds India's rightful place as the closest direct competitor to the US in terms of naval strength. You can't.
>>30390351
Xing pls into Engrish before you post
>>30390643
They utilize Chinese crews, rather than Indian crews.
>>30390593
>China uses Brazilians and shit to teach them how to carrier.
BR here. Nope, our carrier is currently being reformed with the help of the French and our Navy doesn't have anything to do with the Chinese. They even declined some Chinese frigates a few years ago for some brit patrol ships.
>>30390593
Poo in the loos don't have a massive inferiority complex like chicoms do.
Hey that Chinese shill is back. I'll stick around to watch him get BTFO and then sneak away like always
>>30385733
>it has a cuck-o-ramp
wowitsfuckingnothing.png
>>30386589
lol no
Even Philippines could withstand a Chinese invasion in their current state
>>30385793
And fifty-centers
>>30390675
Why not, he already did it earlier and made this thread once he got shit on and could only resort to shit tier bait
>>30390567
I never understood why militaries are so pussified now that they'll allow themselves to be rammed and not do anything about it. If this was the early 1900s, Someone ramming a warship would get a few 5" rounds into their hull as a warning shot.
>>30390643
/Question answered
>>30390943
>>30390957
Hudong Zhonghua Yard, not even a big shipyard in China. Only tasked to build the 054A and 056.
>>30390967
Shanghai Jiangnan Shipyard, China's main Destroyer builder.
>>30390943
>>30390957
Man, even ours looks better.
>>30390980
Not sparky clean either, but at least tidy and no garbage/feces everywhere.
>>30390990
Chinese shipbreaker.
Also not clean, but at least tidy. And no noshoes-slaves working with hammers to break ships.
>>30385880
>We will be looking around 10 to 15 fleet by 2020
>10 to 15
>by 2020
wut
>>30391011
On a second note, China should actually have more garbage in their shipyard to make it harder for the US to identify new ships via satellite.
>>30390886
Yes, because Duderte will invite the PLA to combat crime and druglords.
>>30391048
45,000 ton AOE in Guangzhou
>>30390351
When you get payed 1 ¥ per week to call America corrupt on the Internet
>>30391067
Chinese military fans call it "Aircraft Carrier Milk Cow"
>>30391081
Segments of the Type 055 12,000ton Guided Missile Cruiser, compared to the finished 12,000ton coast guard cutter.
The cutter is already huger than a Burke, but the Cruiser will tower above it.
>>30391094
Lead ship will be named "Nanjing" for the maximum Japanese butthrut.
>>30391107
It will be the Carrier Strike Group's escort leader, armed with 128 VLS cells, as well as CIWS+RAM defenses.
>>30390351
But they are incompetent...and the Party is corrupt, to include large numbers of their Generals and decision makers.
The only way they got this far is by stealing as much data as they could and building, failing and rebuilding clones to the best of their ability.
The incompetence comes from inexperience.
>>30385733
>Imblying RIP in peace
The PRC Navy still takes lessons from the USN. They still lack the capabilities as the USN. Their force projection outside of their coastal waters is not 1/10 the USN's. Their practical experience will forever be less than the USN's.
>>30391202
Wow, that's the same things the British said to the Wilhelmine German Hochseeflotte and the Americans to the Japanese before WWII, as well as to the Soviet Naval Growth during Admiral Gorshkov's time!
Face it.
China's currently in the same sort of naval buildup as all of those mentioned countries before. The most read american in Chinese navy circles is Alfred Thayer Mahan. China is taking a leave from the rise of the USN.
As for corruption, it seems that their crackdown was effective enough for the congressional report to mention that one reason for China's absolute breathtaking naval growth and expansion is the successful introduction of reforms and counter-corruption measures:
https://news.usni.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/RL33153.pdf#viewer.action=download
>A recent report from the US Congressional Research Service details how China's navy, the People's Liberation Army Navy (PLAN), has undergone a stunning modernization push that puts it near parity with the US.
>In fact, China's military posture and prowess in the Western Pacific presents the US with a challenge unseen since the end of the Cold War.
>By perfecting deadly ballistic and cruise missiles, by buying and designing submarines, planes, and surface ships, by cracking down on corruption and improving internal organization and logistics, the PLAN presents US naval planners with plenty to think about going forward.
>>30391263
>Wow, that's the same things the British said to the Wilhelmine German Hochseeflotte and the Americans to the Japanese before WWII, as well as to the Soviet Naval Growth during Admiral Gorshkov's time!
But all of those navies were grossly imcompetant and incapable of fielding effective weapons and strategies
>>30390643
Chinese warships are very tidy and clean, well maintained even by USN standards. Their white paint-scheme makes it even harder for them to clean them, but they still do it very well. The PLAN is obviously (and ironically) soaking in naval traditions of the Imperial Japanese Navy, as well as the USN in their buildup, but with a main focus on A2AD.
>>30391281
The Hochseeflotte was very effective for its time, until they ran out of high quality coal to go out on patrol to protect their shipping line from RN interdiction. WWI Germany lost on the sea mainly due to resource shortages. In WWII, the German navy was a fearsome foe that nearly brought down the British, if not for Enigma. Nothing wrong with their doctrinal approach.
The IJN was very capable for their time, even with generally worse technology and lack of radars. Japan lost because of their lack of industrial capacity that could hold off the USN zergrush. The IJN was great. What you mean is that their training regimen and doctrine for their fighter pilots were brainless. But that's because of their general fanaticism and bushido bullshit. Chinese are very pragmatic in that regard.
The Soviet builtup during Gorshkov's time were equally well thought out and implemented, with a strong emphasis on SSGNs and ASW to break out of the NATO naval cordon. Again, Russia failed because of ecomics and not their navy's doctrinal approach.
China has the advantage that they learned from each of these nation's mistakes, while taking the best from the USN today. And all supported with a very capable industrial foundation that made them the world largest shipbuilders in the civilian field as well (alternating/competing with South Korea for that first place year for year).
>>30391380
And a lot of Nazi-chic
>Meine Ehre
>Heißt Treue
>>30391392
Bro I hope you get paid by the word. You would be making bank
>>30390329
Why even do that? These don't seem to be any more power then the Nimitz class, and with the Gerald Ford class rolling out around the same speed, they aren't doing much.
>>30391263
>that's the same things the British said to the Wilhelmine German Hochseeflotte and the Americans to the Japanese before WWII
Things that never actually happened?
>>30391392
>Japan lost because of their lack of industrial capacity that could hold off the USN zergrush.
Japan lost due to incompetent leadership and awful damage control which led to irrecoverable losses long before America's industrial might was in full swing.
>>30391683
>"Nips cant invent only copy they cant shoot straight and have chinky eyes nips will never beat the white man"
>>30391802
I'd let her take me as a POW any day
>>30385742
You would be surprised. China has produced more deep water ships in the last few years than most EU countries even have. China was also known to be looking into reproducing/cloning the russian carriar they bought some years back. They are well on track to rivaling the US pacific fleet if production continues like this for another 5 years.
Remember that the big reason no one in the US pays much attention to China's military is because they have no way to project that force across an ocean. That is fast changing as they rapidly build up and modernize. Hell China just last week released the worlds fastest supercomputer despite the US banning Intel from selling them the newest Xeon chips. Hint china just built their own.
>>30385753
China spends a fraction of the US military budget, like 1/5th, and has to maintain a much larger army. Why doesn't the US have 100 carriers?
>>30392051
who says we dont have 100 stealth hover carriers?
>>30392090
You have a stealth dick.
>>30388857
I'm fairly certain it was sarcastic.
I'm very impressed with your reading comprehension
>>30385880
And they'll need them, because ten years after that they'll be dealing with Superpower India.
>>30391263
>and the Americans to the Japanese before WWII
And guess what happened to the IJN? They got blown the fuck out pretty comprehensively. If anything you should be looking at claims of being able to sink gorillions of American ships and see if it reminds you of anything.
>>30389298
there is a bit more to operating a carrier than turning on the engines and taking it for a spin.
>>30390927
If Japan sunk that trawler China would scream Nanjing despite video evidence and accuse Japan of escalating confrontation.
When the Philippines put thousands of rounds in a Taiwanese fishing boat who were illegally fishing in their waters years ago Taiwan sent their entire Navy in a show of force.
That's why the greatest meme in Asia are building 3000+ ton frigates and destroyers and calling them coast guard ships.
>>30391263
Mahan. You're trying to claim they're going to take American naval dominance with the writings of the guy before evensubmarine warfare, fast battleships, and fucking aircraft carriers? Much less C4ISR, satelites, electronic warfare, hypersonic missiles, and project energy weapons. The guy that Japan based their "Decisive battle" strategy that got them so absolutely demolished buy the US that they committed suicide? That's shockingly ignorant mate.
>>30385733
as the Japs how well those makeshift carriers do..
>>30392226
China itself is the inexhaustible arsenal ship and unsinkable aircraft carrier, especially with Russia's raw material, energy and food behind their backs.
>>30392245
Nothing disproves what Mahan said. Naval dominance is the key to become a superpower.
Now, China has their own geographic circumstances, but they adjust it by combining Mahan with A2AD and space assets. The end goal is the same. China aims to control their sea-lines of communications, as well their surrounding waters.
>>30390957
>>30390967
>>30390980
>>30390981
what do you think any of this means in terms of naval strength
do you really think that just a bunch of fucking hulls is what makes a navy powerful
you'd lose that one too, change, i don't think you realise the size of the american fleet, even at its current low ebb
fanboys are cancer
>>30386589
+3 Yuan
>>30391263
>British said to the Wilhelmine German Hochseeflotte
the british won that one
>Americans to the Japanese before WWII
the americans won that too, by a long shot
>Soviet Naval Growth during Admiral Gorshkov's time
into a coastal defense fleet
not sure what you're trying to prove here
>>30392304
It means that China has a robust industrial foundation, that lets them produce as many hulls as they want, with no technological or resource bottlenecks.
Sure, hulls make no navy, but with hulls, an inexperienced navy has something to train and gather operational experience with. For example with their 8 years and running Anti-Piracy patrols off Somalia.
Sure, these arent combat patrols against peer navies, but the US never did that either. Launching cruise missiles against Iraq and Lybia isnt something special and require no actual combat experience, as the Russian operations in the Caspian Sea against ISIS/FSA in Syria show. And even carrier operations against peer opponents is still in the realms of simulations and training, even in the USN (bombing Vietnamese farmers does not count).
In the end, these patrols train multitude of things, like RAS, SAR, damage control, aviation training, coordination with foreign navies, etc. All useful skills that are needed for an operational navy.
>>30392024
>You would be surprised. China has produced more deep water ships in the last few years than most EU countries even have.
Oh lord, more than a bunch of economically stagnant countries that are actively repudiating defense spending?
Lordy, what an acheivement
>>30392374
>into a coastal defense fleet
So coastal defense, that the US had to hunt for Russian SSBNs under the icecaps of the Arctic and had to develop ways to penetrate their bastions to take out their SSGNs.
>>30385880
>We will be looking around 10 to 15 fleet by 2020
>>30392390
>It means that China has a robust industrial foundation
in making steel hulls
this isn't the 19th century, when steel and coal output meant something
do you have any idea what you're talking about?
do you not think that the us can't churn out as many steel hulls as it wants? how much of the cost of a modern warship do you think the hull actually is? how important do you think that even is?
you're a 12 year old fanboy
literally who fucking cares
>>30392402
do you know why the bastions where a thing?
>>30392427
If you talk about weapons, they have them as well. And personell as well - it's China, after all; no lack in people.
Seriously, what kind of magical shit do you expect?
"Traditions"? Kek. Traditions are nothing but dogmatized experience, and if you have the hulls and the personell and go out to train, you will quickly build your own naval traditions.
This is always the biggest chore to speak with US fanboys, whose exceptionalism about their country borders on religious fanatism, and who believe that it is "Freedom Magic" or some shit that is the foundation of their power, and not just them being ahead in utilizing good gunboat policy against anyone standing in their way.
>>30390567
>tries
wut, looked pretty successful to me
>>30392434
Because Geography. Russia was pretty much boxed in by multitude of island chains and/or the lack of ice-free warm water ports, which denied them access to the blue waters.
Similiar to China's situation, with the expection that China has an abundance of warm water ports. The 1st island chain is a nuisance to China and the US' best shot at containing the PLAN, but the nations and gate-guards who control the chokepoints will never be able to contain China even together and fully supported by the US, since they all are essentially one-bomb nations who will rather chose to let through a Chinese nuclear submarine fleet, than to become cinders themselves.
And then, there's Taiwan. A vulnerability of that island chain that will allow the PLAN to access the entirety of the West Pacific, once occupied by Chinese forces. In the meantime, China is building up the critical mass in vessels and platforms to immediately rush out into the WestPac once Taiwan is taken.
>>30390593
>yfw the poop deck lives up to its name
>>30392051
This is the same logic that suggests China has the biggest navy because it has a bunch of missile boats and corvettes.
>>30392463
>hulls
>weapons
>steel
>dakka
now i know you're fucking clueless. which is interesting, because we have lots of naval threads and this is discussed in every one of them.
i think you're that fanboy who always posts this shit, gets blown the fuck out and leaves, then comes back to post again when eveyone else has moved on.
i don't even know where to begin. the hint is those enormous flat panels that ships have on their superstructure. hint, these are also the most expensive part of a ship. the hull is a small percentage of cost.
>>30392024
>They are well on track to rivaling the US pacific fleet if production continues like this for another 5 years.
For perspective, in 5 years the USN will gain another 10 DDG's and 2 carriers.
>>30392491
>Because Geography
Yes, the geography that forced the Soviet Navy to be a coastal defense fleet...
>Bastions
>Coastal defense fleet
>Geography
Can you see how all these things tie together?
The cognitive dissonance is astounding.
This is a wood/trees scenario.
>>30392390
>Anti-Piracy patrols off Somalia.
well shit
these guys are chink navy ready
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Unx2xYIc8g
>it's another chink shilling thread
reminder that even doing this ironically and for the sweet (You)s is still autistic
>>30392051
Because 90% of our budget goes to MIC money pits.
>>30391263
>China
>Parity
>With the USN
>>30392699
why hasn't this faggot been permabanned yet, is what I want to know.
>>30393070
Meanwhile we're over here rolling out the Gerald Ford class that mounts directed energy weapons for point defense and railguns firing self-guided kinetic impactors with a 600 mile range.
this is why US isn't really that worried about Chinese carriers
US subs FTW
>>30392578
And retire how many of each while chinas are all new production?
>>30388184
>buy drill press from harbor freight
>buy chinese made cross plane vise
>trying to mill a single god damn channel in a FUCKING BRASS PLATE
$99.99 worth of frustration and anger.
>>30392463
>Traditions are nothing but dogmatized experience, and if you have the hulls and the personell and go out to train, you will quickly build your own naval traditions.
Training is not the same as experience. Training is what helps you survive gaining experience. You'll figure it out when you get some experience under your belt.
It's a good time for non-western powers, what with US possibly getting wrecked by Trump and UK and EU already getting wrecked by brexit.
These next few years will see the global pie getting re-distributed with less going to the west and more to the east.
>>30393446
None in that time period, meaning 22 missile cruisers, 72 missile destroyers, 11 big carriers and 10 small carriers.
And that is not counting submarines or LCS.
>>30393643
liberal detected
>>30393662
Hah, the US and EU are both torn by idiot leftists and wingnuts.
Brexit and trump are just as much a failure of the right as sjws are a failure of the left.
Put your money into the most ruthless russian and chinese businesses because they will exploit the fail created by both extremes.
>>30385733
Having a foot doesn't make you a good runner, dumbfuck.
>>30390593
>India has 3 operational at the moment
Operational doesn't mean "on fire because of bad maintenance"
>>30392390
>even in the USN (bombing Vietnamese farmers does not count).
Wew lad, you are ignorant as fuck.
>>30393724
What the devil are you babbling about
Ahhh, Its a "chicoms make grandiose claims everyone knows is BS" episode.
The amount of China bots and paid shills in this thread, jesus christ.
China is >just< getting it's first Aircraft carrier after the United States has had the lead for almost a hundred years.
You shills have zero clue as to just how far the technology gap is between these two countries. It's pretty much meme worthy, to the point where China just makes movies props and claims they have operational equipment but they don't use it because "reasons".
If you think the United States doesn't have a bunch of absurd next generation shit built on the back of it's absurdly bloated defense budget you're a yellow clown.
>>30391392
>China has the advantage that they learned from each of these nation's mistakes
It was only one mistake, repeated endlessly: inadequate logistics. You did a fine job of making excuses and renaming the problem, but that's what it boils down to. I also like the way you inflate the capabilities of the various navies to make them sound more formidable.
>>30393964
>Somebody doesn't subscribe to my right wing ideology.
>Isn't a liberal straw man either.
>So confusing!
>>30385733
>Chinese home made carrier
Isn't it just a Russian carrier that they renovated?
>>30394433
>I'm not a retard, I'm contrarian!
>>30394433
How does it feel to you, that right now, the UK is recovering a DAY later from BREXIT?
Does it anger you?
>>30385733
Unless that one carrier has a rotary cannon that fires nuclear warhead equipped hypersonic guided missiles, then no, this changes almost nothing.
>>30390957
>walking barefoot on mud potentially full of sharp metal shards
what the fuck
>>30392024
>Hell China just last week released the worlds fastest supercomputer
Which has nothing to do with force projection. Try to stay on topic, Forrest.
>>30395079
that and it is the fastest by brute force of processor count, not by processor speed
>>30385733
11 to 1.
>Not a china men's chance.
>>30385733
hey guyz, what's going on in this thread?
>>30392102
No, it wasn't sarcasm. It was standardized, cut-n-paste fiddy cent boilerplate. They're very formulaic, predictably so.
The non sequitur in your response to my post was also notably formulaic. What was the point?
>>30390593
We fuck with the elephant jockies but theyre pretty based. The thought of a strong india doesnt trouble me. (Im not a paki).
But china? That shit worries me. They have giant chip on their shoulder and an axe to grind.
>>30392390
>Sure, these arent combat patrols against peer navies, but the US never did that either.
Except for that whole WW2 thing. Followed by the Cold War. The Soviet navy may not have been a peer navy, but they were certainly a force to be reckoned with.
So, call it 4 years of high tempo combat operations against two peer naval forces followed by 40 years of preparation and posturing for combat against the only other super power on the planet.
Meanwhile, China is conducting piracy patrols and calling it experience. That's something the USN did in 1801 through 1815.
>>30392402
>had to develop ways to penetrate their bastions to take out their SSGNs.
And this is bad how?
>>30395283
strong india doesn't worry anyone because it'll never happen since indians are african tier retards
Whats far more relevant than strong china is all these fucking foreigners in the west diluting our populations & countries.
If liberals + foreigners elect treasonous politicians time and time again, how can we defend ourselves
>>30392491
So lets see if I'm following this correctly- China is threatening to nuke any neighbor who doesn't acquiesce to their expansionism, while also threatening to start a war of aggression against Taiwan? Does that pretty much cover the salient points?
I guess they get full points for transparency. Not many nations announce their intention to commit war crimes as a matter of policy.
>>30385934
>>30388131
Don't they make a small airborne radar aircraft already?
I know they have their copy of the E-3 and the R-1, but I swear I've seen a chink E-2 Hawkeye also..
>>30395283
>But china? That shit worries me. They have giant chip on their shoulder and an axe to grind.
Yeah, that giant inferiority complex. It's like they heard about short man syndrome and decided to adopt it as national policy.
>>30395219
'sup?
>>30392257
This isn't 1939. Russia is a smaller trading partner with China than Brazil.
>>30395005
>walking barefoot on mud potentially full of sharp metal shards
>mud
They are indians, it's definitely not mud.
>>30395152
t. Someone who has no ideas how computers work.
>>30390351
你是傻逼吧
>>30396465
WHY IS YOUR SAIL SO FUCKING TALL
>>30390567
Lol, the crew - "wow, you pissed off our captain bad, fuck this, take cover". Pretty sure genuine (experienced at dealing out civvie-type ramming damage) fishing boat.
>>30394220
> bloated budget
It is even worse than that. A lot of US policy like our "war on drugs" is a way to get additional R&D funding for the military. Developing long range scanning drones to locate "illegal aliens" is a great way to fund new long range radar/sonar tech. Establishing millions in "grants" for colleges to research things like technology which reduces pollution is a great way to fund silent engine technology.
Hell, a smaller and more efficient power source could be completely funded to private sector projects the government can just abscond with later for military use.
If I were to guess, I would say our defense budget is actually three times the amount stated in budget reports.
>>30390980
I thought the AESA panels were supposed to be separate from the superstructure.
>>30392024
Yeah? Who'd they steal the design from?
>>30386589
Oh, it's this guy again.
