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Current news: Bill status as of June-17
>E-111 AR-15 Petiton, shotdown by parliament as a result of the Orlando shooting. http://calibremag.ca/liberals-ignore-ar-15-petition/
>E-124 Petition to add property rights to the charter.4.3k Signatures Status: Complete, parlament has until July 20, 2016 to respond
>Bill C-230 An Act to amend the Criminal Code (firearm — definition of variant) Status: Second reading/Continuing debate
http://www.parl.gc.ca/LegisInfo/BillDetails.aspx?Language=E&Mode=1&billId=8111356
>Bill C-246 Modernizing Animal Protections Act(Hunting - More strict measures against hunters/trappers) Status: Second reading/Continuing debate
http://www.parl.gc.ca/legisinfo/BillDetails.aspx?Language=E&Mode=1&billId=8122718
>Bill S-223 An Act to amend the Firearms Act and the Criminal Code Status: Dead after 15 seatings unless someone re-sponsors it. (Seating 13of15)
http://www.parl.gc.ca/LegisInfo/BillDetails.aspx?Language=E&Mode=1&billId=8177186
We should make a petition asking the government to ban the Mini 14 rifle just to fuck with em.
>>30326058
Hey neighbors! I want to buy a C7A2/C8 stock. The seller I found won't ship to USA, but is there any reason why a friend of mine who purchase it can't ship a piece of plastic over the border to me? I've spent about an hour or two looking at regulations and have only been able to find stuff about importing stuff into Canada or things having to do with full firearms. I'm planning on driving up to Canada with a different friend anyway, so I might even be able to pick it up from someone I know.
>>30326134
Its not getting things out of Canada thats a problem its getting things into the States thats a problem.
>>30326122
Cant tell if troll are a complete dumb fuck. Why would it fuck them over? it'll fuck us over and I dont even own a mini m14.
>>30326166
I know, but I couldn't find anything in US law or Canadian law that prohibits a stock. It's not a barrel or receiver.
Worst comes to worst, I guess I can claim that my friend is sending me a couple of airsoft gun accessories.
Anyone get any recent buys?
Pic related.
>>30326232
Probably a better Idea, the only stuff I can find for exporting stocks from Canada is for businesses and I don't think it applies
>US customs on airsoft
https://help.cbp.gov/app/answers/detail/a_id/809/~/importing-a-bb-gun,-air-soft-or-paintball-gun-for-my-personal-use
>>30326373
Bought a 14" lever shotgun just need to wait for CP to be fast.
>>30326134
I don't know what's so great about that stock. It looks like a CAR stock with a buttpad. Can't you get that for dirt cheap in the US?
![v11pro_l_2[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/QA3RCwh.jpg "v11pro_l_2[1].jpg")
if this whole AR15 fiasco settles down with no changes being made, I want to get a Daniel Defense rifle.
14", 16", or 18"? leaning towards 18. thoughts?
went to my backwoods shooting spot the other day and found .45 auto shells on the ground...
which one of you has been illegally shooting your pistol?
>>30326756
>implying .45 ACP carbines don't exist
>>30326756
It was probably out of a rifle anon.
A few months ago when I went backwoods shooting, I saw two chinese guys shooting a non restricted 9mm out of a pistol caliber magazine (10). They let me shoot it so I let them shoot my 30-06.
>>30326772
care to name one? never have i ever heard of a 45acp carbine. 45lc sure, but not auto
and if it does exist, it probably isn't popular enough to be imported to canada
plus, what's more likely: somebody living in a middle of nowhere canadian town happens to own a nonrestricted .45acp carbine, or that same redneck has a cheap 1911 and figures nobody's going to bother him about shooting it in a nondesignated area
>>30326912
JR Carbine
Thureon defence carbine
Marlin camp carbine
Plus probably some lever actions.
>>30326700
It's kind of overrpriced to be frank. Why not just build one? The only reason I see to buy a pre-built DD is for dat dere FDE RIS II.
>>30326958
fair enough
but i'm still convinced there are hooligans afoot
>>30326408
Well, looks like everything indicates that it would be legal, so I plan on getting one green stock and one black stock. Once I get them I'll chose which one goes on the rifle. Which do ya think would look better, mismatched green against black grip/foregrip for a hodgepodge and rugged style, or matching black? Like I said, I plan on getting both, nd I'll probably mess around with looks for a while afterward.
>>30326419
I can get a boring Fiberite (Fiberlite?) one without the texturing and buttpad or an equally boring aluminum one. Also, the Canadian stock will work better with the sling I am planning on using. The rifle I'm going to assemble is similar to a C7A2, but I'm retaining carry handle sight and I'm not putting the tri-rail thing on the FSB. I would buy an SA-20 if I could, but that's a no-no. I always liked the adjustable stock lower on the rifle upper, and the C7A2 stock looks like it would be nicer/less bulky for winter clothing (Wisconsinite here).
>>30326912
>>30326958
Also, Kriss Vectors. I see them on a bunch of online stores and at my local gun shop.
>>30327230
Might as well go the distance.
https://www.canadaammo.com/product/detail/imi-a2-polymer-handguard-od/
Unfortunately out of the OD A2 pistol grips but they are $9 from that site when they're in stock.
I have a rifle A2 set in OD green and it looks really good.
>>30326700
Since they're restricted anyway, get the shortest barrel that's legally available.
New shooter here.
When bringing my Restricted firearms to the range, I understand that I have to bring their registrations with them, but does it have to be the original copy?
As a law-abiding PAL holder, it has been made abundantly clear to me that the registration is a very important piece of paper. Because I understand its importance, I don't think it's unreasonable for me to worry about it being lost/stolen/destroyed.
I have backup photocopies in my range bag, in the glovebox of my truck, and just for good measure, I even have scanned PDF copies in my smartphone.
With so much redundancy at hand, do I still have to bring my original registration with me to the range? I'd prefer to keep my important documents safely stored at home, like any normal person.
>>30327368
I really was only going to get the stock pair, didn't think it would be worth it to do a whole C7A2 clone because I'd still never have the Diemaco forged barrel or the Diemaco sling mount. Also, for Colt parts, the price isn't bad, even if I'd have to ship. That being said, check this out:
http://www.gunbroker.com/item/565903902
500 USD for a C7A2 stock set in burgerland.
>>30327646
I mean its not a terrible price considering that Colt Canada parts seem rare in the states. Still more than I would pay.
>>30326058
Wewlads today was great, broke my tiny quad, someone got covered in ants from the 8 person firing squad, there was a fire, and severe allergies and dehydration due to tactical bacon, craziest of all we only used 1/4 of the ammo i thought we would. Also fuck chink ammo and fuck china make your god damn cases stronger my valmet rips the rim off too much
>>30326373
Oh fuck yes please report back after you've used i a bit and got some glass on it. I've been mulling over getting one of these for a couple years. How does it feel?
>>30327827
ive said it before but it makes me super happy to see pics from /k/ meets
>>30327827
Nice knockoff CADPAT.
>Actually showing up to a meet in any sort of cammies
I mean, a beater cammy field jacket is one this, but that's just full sperg.
>>30327889
Youd hate the next meet up well all be in 6b43s and 6b45s with plates, helmets maybe, i hope you speak russian
>>30327937
I won't be there. I'm near a patch of CL and have friends, so there's no point.
>>30327950
Ah excellent
>>30327950
>>30327972
Cause meeting new people and expanding networks is retarded but i hear you
>>30327889
I kinda like the knockoff crap-gives me Chinese vibes-and I like the tacticool modern Chink camo.
Didn't they make /k/ube Velcro shoulder patches at one point? I'd love one on my spare jacket.
>>30327972
I just like shooting with people I trust. I don't want Officer Tok Guy showing up and shitting on my parade because I brought my AR out.
>>30328000
This is an actual quote from autistic tok guy
"I kinda want to room clear the back of the store haha" *makes room clearing gesture with t97*
I assure you he isnt a cop unless hes deep deeep undercover
>>30328022
The more posts I see that deny CTG is a cop, the more I believe that he actually is.
>>30328022
To be fair, your store gives me kill house vibes now, rather than just "poverty/Filipino cartel armory" vibes. Probably the lack of Flip wubwub coming through the walls now.
>>30327827
Where are you guys having these meet-ups? Lonely anon in Alberta here.
>>30328045
It's a losing battle for me-I just roll with it. I'm not going to convince people either way. Not that it matters, since I rarely go to meets.
>>30328058
Mostly near Edmonton. Why, where are you? I'm sure there's an Anon nearby. There's certainly enough AB Anons here.
What's the best camo pattern for Northern Ontario? Summer and fall respectively?
>>30328049
My friend was like 80% sure you pulled a glock from no where tho and he didn't see a pistol case
>>30328087
Why not? Come out to a meet some time, faggot.
>I'm sorry, CONSTABLE Faggot.
>>30328125
No, my case was there, too. It was down at the end by the windows, I think. I wasn't CCing that day.
>>30328128
Because.
>People will likely figure shit out, questions will be asked/photos will be spread of my stupid ass
>No fun allowed-I can't bring Restricteds
Also, I don't think I own a single unpinned mag, so there's that. I don't want to ruin everyone else's fun.
>>30328111
Try this again with the sideways pic Cadpat or digital flora over brown/olive or worn over digital flora vkbo uniform, gorka is not for summer so id reccomend vkbo's and 6sh and 6b gear from ratnik
>>30328175
Dude you can put a wooden dowel in your mag and thats good enough it doesn't have to be pinned, but the rcmp don't really know that or care, just like they probably dont know valmets and swiss arms are non restricted. If anything happened at a meet rcmp wise itd be the rcmp who would be watching what they do and say cause they arent stealing my valmet just cause they dont know the law, theyev stolen xcrs and tavors from people saying their restricted imagine if they think your gun is prohibited
Alberta/Saskatchewan secession when?
>>30328372
Wood is not legal.
Welding, swaging or using metal rivets on metal mags, or permanent epoxy on plastic mags.
>>30328435
Did those goofy optics ever hit the surplus market? I'd love one.
>>30328102
>TFW in BC
Well at least I'm central BC so I'm closer than a lot of others, maybe I'll make it to one sooner or later.
>>30328372
>>30328475
I think there's been a mixup.
If we're talking specifically about semi-automatic centerfire long guns in general, then yes, the magazine must be restricted to 5 rounds in a permanent fashion.
The wooden dowel method, as well as other "temporary" methods, are meant for North American hunting regulations. You only need to do this if you are hunting waterfowl, as you are only allowed 2 rounds in that situation. To my knowledge, all other types of hunting don't have this restriction.
>>30328504
>tfw live in Edmonton but work on weekends
A-at least I won't creep everyone out by being the guy who wears the balaclava/gas mask all day because he's too shy to show his face.
>>30328533
Sorry, Anon. I'd go shooting with you if our schedules matched.
>>30328548
It's for the best, my groupings are pretty embarrassing since I don't go to the range nearly as much as I should.
>>30328475
Thats not what my rcmp verfier and importer says, the csba didnt stop them. And to be fair the wood dowel is affixed to the follwer with jb weld. But seriously just use a stick and some glue dont be a faggot, cops dont have esp and they cant see through metal and unless youve made them inclined to, they wont take you mags apart, mislead the hell out of them, insult their side arm and talk about their equipment, theyll be watching for that though so be ready to counter their misleading bullshit with more bullshit, people get away with murder all the time pretty sure you can get away with shooting 6 rounds
>>30328533
Wed force you to wear cbrn gear in +25 degree weather dont worry.
>>30328660
You're full of shit. The cops and CBSa are fully aware of the legal methods of blocking mags.
(4) A cartridge magazine described in subsection (1) that has been altered or re-manufactured so that it is not capable of containing more than five or ten cartridges, as the case may be, of the type for which it was originally designed is not a prohibited device as prescribed by that subsection if the modification to the magazine cannot be easily removed and the magazine cannot be easily further altered so that it is so capable of containing more than five or ten cartridges, as the case may be.
(5) For the purposes of subsection (4), altering or re-manufacturing a cartridge magazine includes
(a) the indentation of its casing by forging, casting, swaging or impressing;
(b) in the case of a cartridge magazine with a steel or aluminum casing, the insertion and attachment of a plug, sleeve, rod, pin, flange or similar device, made of steel or aluminum, as the case may be, or of a similar material, to the inner surface of its casing by welding, brazing or any other similar method; or
(c) in the case of a cartridge magazine with a casing made of a material other than steel or aluminum, the attachment of a plug, sleeve, rod, pin, flange or similar device, made of steel or of a material similar to that of the magazine casing, to the inner surface of its casing by welding, brazing or any other similar method or by applying a permanent adhesive substance, such as a cement or an epoxy or other glue.
>>30328601
Mine are too. I just shoot to have fun, since I don't do it often enough to affect my marksmanship. Down the road I'd like to get better.
>>30328780
I mean, at least we actually shoot, that puts above like 80% of /k/, right?
>>30328746
No, no im not they my importer who is a rcmp verfier ships my mags like that, and they are passed and clear customs everytime and ive gotten that tape saying theyve opened my box, and epoxied wooden down to the follwer is okay, anything else is just as easy to take out by hand on the go im not afraid to argue in court cause id point out every single flaw and contradiction in the law and say it practically put me in this position.
>>30328746
>>30329360
Also
>made of steel or of a material similar to that of the magazine casing
>material similar the magazine casing
Ill just make wooden mags
>>30328805
Something like that. If you have a burner email or something, I could always contact you there, maybe we can figure out a time to align our schedules and go shooting.
>>30329384
Huh. I wonder how well wooden STANAGs would work. Or a wooden SKS integral mag.
>>30329474
It doesn't matter how well it works it just has to make the rcmp look ridiculous when you point the law out
>>30329505
Maybe I just want to see how well wooden mags work.
>>30329505
If you do silly things just because it's technically legal, all that's gonna happen is that the law will be changed to clarify the grey area.
For example, motorcycle helmet laws.
In BC, the old laws just stated that you had to wear a helmet. So you could wear a bicycle helmet, an equestrian helmet, a football helmet, etc. And you could strap it to your leg, for example. That was all legal.
As of 2012, they made the law much clearer. You must now wear a motorcycle helmet that meets DOT, Snell, or ECE standards, on your head.
>the only exception is if you are a practicing Sikh male with uncut hair & unshaven beard
>in that case, you can wear a turban instead
>if you're clean-shaven, or if there's short hair poking out from underneath your turban, may your god(s) have mercy on you
>>30326700
What's so good about DD rifles that make them almost 3000$?
>>30328218
YUUUUGE trigger guard
Mr.RCMP, is the Four Winds shotgun illegal in Canada?
>>30327619
Photocopies are fine
>>30328435
can rural BC come with?
>>30326985
>Why not just build one?
>Canada
>build one
Where, how, and do you think you'll even save money?
>>30330510
Not RCMP but i guess if it has an OAL over 26in; no.
>>30330510
>>30332221
You can make one but you would require the RCMP to issue you a homemade gun FRT for it and it would have to follow regular classifications for it. The wait time on getting a FRT for homemade weapons is usually 3 months.
Fuck I should make a homemade zip pistol just for shits and giggles i'd register it and everything.
>>30332948
With the appropriate 4.3" barrel I assume.
>>30326373
I have one, never shot it though, no idea why but I just don't have any interest in it anymore. Trying to sell it on usedfirearms
Im looking to buy some property (pic related) and I wanted to know if something of that size would be reasonable enough to put a small range on for personal use.
If I were to arrange a /k/ meetup or something, would there be enough space on this for such a thing and what are the legalities of doing so?
Its about 3 hours from Toronto and about 2 from ottawa.
I have always wanted to own a bit of country property that I could fuck off to, build a small family house etc so thats the ultimate goal but being able to shoot on it would also be great.
Measurements are in feet.
>>30332948
I heard that when the gun registry was a completely new thing, some people were actually registering things like glue guns and nail guns for shits and giggles.
Is there somewhere I can check the status of a particular model?
Some stores list the Black Special as Restricted and others as Non-Restricted. I would rather have an official word on what it is.
>>30335310
Black Specials are NR unless barrel is short.
You can contact Ar180shooter on how to get an NR Black Special with the shortest barrel possible +threaded muzzle instead of the built-in flash hider (requires sending the gun out, buying a barrel, etc).
>>30335106
You need at least 100 acres, crownland i go to is 170 acres and the only thing making it good ti shoot on is dense brush and large hills in almost every direction. 1300 ft is nothing, unless your just using pistol calibers and shit. Plus you need to take neighbors and local bylaws into account, just cause its safe too shoot doesnt always mean legal
>>30335395
Thank you. I'm more concerned about having any sort of arguments with a self-imposed or official range official claiming it is restricted or prohibited.
I tried to give business to a local gunstore and buy it thru them but the employee insisted they were all prohibited now.
Could someone post that list of all the cool NR and R rifles we can buy or are atleast legal.
example China lake, m320 "large bore single shot rifle", WA2000, ect:
>>30327981
>4chan
>people
nah
>>30335509
There's no way the CL I go to is 100 acres, neither Wildwood nor Westlock. It's been my dream to have a place big enough for an airstrip and range, too-have the RCMP laid out official guidelines for that sort of thing, or is it a "case by case" sort of issue?
>>30336039
The plot i go to is 170 acres, you can check it on some alberta land use map that shows all the different shit like municipalities, waterways etc. Including crownland, forget what they call it, public access land or something, out by seba beach theres over 10000 acres of continuous crownland broken up into 5-6 sections for what i assume are different uses
>>30336102
Ah, which do you go to? I'll have to check the maps myself.
Still, I don't want to be near any towns or neighbors, but 100 acres seems excessive and frankly, unobtainable. I'm sure if you're deep innawoods on a good sized plot of land, there's no harm setting up a little range for plinking.
>>30326373
>that gap between the grip and the trigger guard
>>30336039
I just checked the spot you go to by wildwood and its 159 acres, pic related is the info on it, its pretty much the only spot around there. Ill post more crownland in a second
>>30336305
Highlighted area and all the smaller green squares around it are all crownland but they all have different conditions
>>30336305
>>30336333
screenshots are a thing you know
>>30336305
Is it? Wow. Well, what website is that? Seems like a good tool to locate anything closer.
>>30336333
>>30336384
Does this soothe your autism?
Is there any company in Canada that would do pic related on my Glock's stippling, but with our leafy flag instead?
>>30335106
>3 hours from Toronto
GTA life is suffering
>tfw no Bakelite VZ-58 magazines
>>30333438
CGN would probably net some more serious offers. I know I'd like one, without the silly stock and scope mount though, and I don't have the money. I wouldn't buy on anything other than CGN, too many other spots have a huge reputation for scammers.
>>30335775
WA2000 is legal, there is actually a range in Ontario that got one after a court case involving a mobster, where the judge decided it was too rare to be simply destroyed and the range submitted a petition to get it.
>RPG launchers are legal, explosive heads are not, so sometimes you can buy a tube and a 7.62x39 chambered trainer head for them, and shoot that through your RPG
>>30337682
>the judge decided it was too rare to be simply destroyed and the range submitted a petition to get it.
Now I'm not a religious man but whatever god or gods may exist, by all that is fuck BLESS THAT JUDGE
BLESS THAT JUDGE SO HARD.
>All this talk of crown land and good shooting spots
Anyone know of any crown land near Sherbrooke Quebec that I can shoot on? I went out to Club de Tir Sandhill once with a /k/ommando for my first time, but I can't afford a membership right now because university and I'm missing having a chance to constantly shoot.
>>30337708
Article since you're interested: http://infotel.ca/newsitem/kamloops-gun-club-to-gain-rare-rifle-after-drug-traffickers-sentencing/it18182
>>30337748
Pretty much all of Quebec and Ontario north of Toronto is crownland
>>30338124
I wish it was that easy, a lot of the area where I am is pretty built up. I don't know the area near well enough to know where any good spots are.
>>30338227
Use Google earth
>>30338244
Lots of farmland, meaning a ton of it is privately owned. I could potentially shoot, but good luck getting permission.
>>30338271
If theres no no trepassing signs and unlock gate or fence opening go and shoot, if someone shows up say you thought it was crownland and theyll probably tell you where crown land actually is, the rcmp helped me find crownland, sorta they were a couple miles off but we found it
>>30338351
This is Quebec we're talking about. That' means that SQ will show up and slap with with every charge they can, and a dozen they shouldn't because guns.
>>30338388
Kill them and cannibalize them to avoid prison
>>30338419
Longpork isn't my deal, I know I'm being hard to work with here but I just don't think I'd be able to deal with killing and eating a cop.
>My freezer would be too full and I hate wasting
>>30338436
Oh no i mean get caught but make sure to cannibalize them first so they forget about ths other charges
has anyone registered own AR from stratch ? I was about start milling a 80% but im not sure how to deal with the CFO ,
any insight would be greatly appreciated .
I will phone the CFO tomorrow
>>30338473
Ahhhh that makes sense I guess, but I would think they'd just want to charge you more at that point.
>>30338639
Should be fine. Just call before you start work to tell them you intend to manufacture an AR15 receiver, then call them when it's done. I would suggest you have a serial number in mind if you don't want a generic one though.
>>30338639
How hard is it to do an 80% anyway?
>>30338639
Where do you get your 80%?
>>30338694
Not if they think youre completely insane
>>30326700
Half a year ago a DDMK18 was going for 1499 at Wolverines.
I regret not buying it.
>>30338894
I also missed that deal, my roommate didn't.
I'm still trying to convince him to get something better than the NCstar red dot he put on it
>>30338694
Do you think 8008135 is taken yet? I'd totally crave that into my lower.
>>30339114
>boobies
such original
much 3rd grade
>>30339137
Hey, tiddy jokes are always in.
>>30339114
You can use actual letters too.
>What's your serial number?
>RCMP5UCK5
>>30339114
>>30339137
>>30339160
>>30339167
>>30339114
465552434d50
hexadecimal for "FURCMP"
because literally fuck all those assholes
>>30339167
Oh shit really? I'd totally make a jab at them as my serial number.
>Or WH47TH3FUCKD1DY0UJU57FUCK1NGS4Y4B0UTM3?
May seem like a newbie question but I'm kinda second-guessing myself here. A shotgun an fire any length of shell that it's chambered in or smaller correct? So I can fire a 2 3/4 in shell out of a 3 in gun and so on?
>>30339237
Yes
just don't put a bigger shell than what's written on the barrel and you'll be fine
>>30339237
Yeah, if the shell you are firing is shorter than the maximum size the shell is chambered in then you're fine.
>2.75" and 3" are fine in a 3.5" chamber for instance.
>3.5" in a 3" chamber leads to kabooms
Also don't put a different calibre shell in your gun, like a 20ga into a 12ga, that also leads to eventual kabooms.
>>30339237
how do you have your pal
HOW TO SAFELY LOAD AMMUNITION is literally half the course
>>30339262
I've seen Matt from Demolition Ranch fire shells that are longer than what the shotgun was rated for. The only problem I've seen was that they're too long to feed properly in a pump-action, so he has to feed it through the side.
What's the deal with that?
Another thing I've heard was that apparently this is less of a problem with break-action shotguns.
>>30328102
I live in Calgary, but I don't mind driving a couple hours. Is there a mailing list or something?
>>30337016
You could try these guys they have a shitload of custom glock work
http://www.blackboxcustoms.com/#custom
>>30340078
The problem is the crimp on the shell causing a pressure spike when not being able to open fully, in the case of those custom shells there is no crimp to jam although its a really dumb idea.
>>30338894
No fucking way.
>>30330135
The rollmark.
Nah, it's probably the combination of tight tolerances, quality control and brand name. Almost $3000 for an AR is ridiculous even for Canada though. Regardless, they're Daniel Defense - they can charge whatever the fuck they want and people will buy it.
Does anyone know where I can get a cheapo milspec buffer tube? I have a knock-off SOPMOD stock coming in.
Anyone know if it's possible to mount a bayonet on a Mossberg 500? I know you would have to get a model or barrel where the tube is flush with the end of the barrel, but I can only seem to find bayonet mounts for the 590.
>>30340392
https://ctcsupplies.ca/ might have some
Anybody buy a back ordered item from Questar and received a shipped email? Haven't seen anything on CGN about receiving their June shipment.
>Me:"I don't have a PAL yet but I mailed all the papers, if I pay for a type 81 now, can you hold it until I get my license?"
>Tactical Imports: "absolutely, do you want to proceed with the transaction"
Thank you God
>>30340078
shotgun chambers look like pic related. a 2.75" chamber is actually longer than 2.75" to allow for the crimped section of hull to open flat against the chamber walls and allow the projectile an open path thru the bore.
>>30340304 depicts how the crimped section of hull is designed to open.
if the shotgun shell is too large for the chamber (eg a 3" in a 2.75" chamber), the crimped hull of the shotgun shell will open in the forcing cone, rather than in the chamber. this will partially obstruct the projectile's path thru the bore and damage the barrel
you could possibly get away with shooting slugs, because they have no crimping, but honestly fuck that just use the correct ammo. it's not worth wrecking an expensive barrel for a $10.00 convenience
WE HAVE PRECEDENT!
http://www.edmontonsun.com/2016/06/17/northern-alberta-man-acquitted-of-charges-after-shooting-involving-stolen-quad
although desu a floodlight and cctv system is a much better way to defend your home
>>30344585
he dint even have a pal
>>30339299
I already knew it I was just making sure, I have this old 12 gauge with no data stamp, so I went to buy some shells and got 2 3/4 inch, and the guy at the counter asked me if it was chambered in that, I said I wasn't sure and I thought 2 3/4 was the smallest shell size so it should work and he told me that that isn't always the case.
>>30344757
true
>>30344757
There are some old 2.5" 12ga guns but that shit is rare.
>>30344296
Yup nothing in the law that says you cant buy only that you can have in your possession.
>>30344757
does it have any proofs or marks on it, usually underneath the barrels or the forend. something akin to 12/70, which is usually the euro designation for a 2-3/4" chambering.
be careful, as even guns with 2-3/4 chambers made pre-nitroproofing can still be dangerous with modern ammo.
>>30340312
Twas true. I swear on me mum.
But hey, civie Diemaco C7s are only like 1700 now.
Turks are into hi point clones, looking at the MSRP they will fucking tank.
>>30346301
>Turkroach hi points
but wait there's more
it comes with
>"MADE IN CANADA TRUE NORTH STRONG AND FREE™ Canuck™ GRIPS
Yeah.
The turks are just spamming the market too much without making much of an impact or focusing on a market segment like Norinco does with its entry level stuff.
>>30346569
I mean girsan has it right with the $500 beretta's and entry level 1911's i'd be down for a $500 new production hi power but 750 is too much.
>>30346301
I do like those grips, but the roaches are retarded if they think people will pay that.
>>30346714
Im hoping the dealer price lowers as this is only MSRP for now. I would be interested to know the cost per unit on these.
>>30346569
>>30346714
It it seems that Canik/Tisas may be on the same boat as these and given that their cz clone were cheap its possible that there may be a cheaper version coming.
>>30346301
Nice grips tho.
>>30346301
Why would I buy a turkroach HP when I can get a proper MkIII for like $200 more?
>>30347306
exactly although mk3's have gone up in price again. Cabela's has them at 1300 now.
>>30347306
The same reason why people are creaming themselves over the Type 81 when a vz. 58 is like $200-300 more.
>all Dlask AR parts sold out
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
>>30348887
Are you surprised? Everyone with the money is going to be buying up all the AR parts they can, and 80% lowers while they're at it. Panic buying hits up here too.
how long until you can pour yourself a lower in Canada?
>add maple syrup to the mixture
>>30352191
NoGuns here, exactly what is the point of that?
How many shit quality lowers would you need for the exact same rifle unless your trying to build an army to invade Quebec or something?
>>30353599
DIY mostly. And nothing wrong with having a bunch of rifles.
>>30352191
I wonder if a bit of maple syrup would compromise the integrity of the lower.
That being said, I really do need to get an AR and 80% metal lower/jig/etc. to fanny fluster the RCMP in case of confiscation. Or at least work out what to do so I can keep my Restricteds.
>>30353728
I wish I had the money to build myself an AR, but 20" barrels are ridiculous to get.
>>30353728
So if you have your pal can you buy the 80% lowers and jigs even if you don't plan on completing said AR for a few years?
>>30354533
Dont even need a pal to buy 80%'s are paperweights till you drill.
>>30354555
Yeah, it actually means you can fairly easily manufacture AR15s without a license, just because all the other parts don't require a license to buy (except ammo, and even then if you buy components and assemble yourself you can get ammo just fine).
>Not that I would condone such heinous actions Mr RCMP.
I'll be moving to Canada soon for studies.
Can I apply to a PAL course as a temporary resident?
>>30355229
Yup
>>30355229
>>30355305
You do need a recommendation tho may be easier to get before leaving.
>From the PAL application form
>http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/cfp-pcaf/form-formulaire/pdfs/5592-eng.pdf
Non-Residents of Canada
If you are a non-resident of Canada you must obtain a letter of
good conduct issued by your local or state police.
Letter of Good Conduct Required for New Canadian
Residents and Non-Residents of Canada Only
A letter of good conduct must be written in the English or
French language on the police department's official letter head
paper. Please attach the letter to your application form.
>>30355327
Damn, glad i asked.
Imma look to get one of these. Ty.
>>30355472
http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/cfp-pcaf/cont/index-eng.htm
Theres a 1-800 number to call for more info if you need it.
>>30355327
Turns out there's a free online request service for this in my country.
>>30354555
>>30354817
K sweet I'll have my friend get the parts next time he's in town then. Thank you.
whats the shortest barrel i can get for an AR15? (>4inches ?)
What caliber /barrel length would you recommend ( im a cheapjew... but not .22lr im not that cheap)
>>30357644
NEA makes 7.5" should be around $230ish if they're priced like normal NEA barrels.
Can someone tell me if it's possible to find cheap .303 ammo? Fuck paying 25$ plus taxes for 20 rounds
>>30358145
Nope, timemachine maybe but surplus is all gone.
inb4 well my ct was winchester white box for $2 less for no reason.
>>30358207
fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck
>>30358145
You can find it for between 75cents to 1$ a round if you import it, its cheaper if you bring it in yourself as your allowed to bring in under 5000rds without an import permit if your not shipping it, greek surplus 303 pops up from time to time in the states
What AR15 to get in canada?
I saw a basic Colt m4 style for 1600+tax
how do I get a "prohibited weapon" license in Canada?
I already own many firearms and would like to upgrade to the clearly superior nunchaku and yaqua blowgun for hunting and home defense
>>30359914
you don't
>>30359972
sounds a lot like an illusory licensing scheme
a pity our legal system is enforced unevenly and no weapons law will be struck down for being in violation of ancient legal precedent.
>>30359914
>>30359972
>>30359990
It's technically possible, it's just not as fun as you think.
You don't get to shoot full-auto all day erryday. Doesn't work like that.
If your profession is firearms-related (gunsmith, range clerk, museum curator, gun store owner, etc.), you may be eligible for a prohibited license that allows you to handle prohibited firearms. You wouldn't get to own any personally, and you wouldn't necessarily be allowed to shoot what you're allowed to handle, but a license is a license.
>>30359990
Technically the entire firearms licensing system is "may issue" meaning you could be denied any license at any time for no reason. They function as though the NR and R licenses are "shall issue" but it really isn't the case.
>>30361081
>>30362264
Prohibited weapons, not prohibited firearms. lern2read
I could get a prohibited firearm license for a film company or museum if I felt the need to start such a business. There are numerous examples of PPAL being issued. I'm not aware of any license that has been issued for prohibited weapons.
>>30362317
So you literally want a license for just ninja stars and springy switchblades?
>>30362462
THE EDGEMASTER
>>30362462
Yes, exactly that. Belt buckle knives, spiked wristbands, spetznaz ballistic knives, stunguns which appear to be a comb but actually conceal a knife, stuff like that. Clearly they are the deadliest weapons available because licenses aren't issued, or at least are only issued in secret to ninja lords working directly for Her Majesty the Queen. Think about it.
>>30362883
>2016
>Not being in Her Majesty's Secret Ninja Army
>>30362883
>>30362938
Oh man, that reminds me of this really weird website I once saw back in the 90s.
It was about a guy who goes under the alias of "Canadian Ninja." There are "pictures" of this guy, and it's clearly just some white dude in a ninja costume, but with a patch of the Canadian flag on his forehead.
I can't remember the full backstory because this was almost two decades ago, but he was supposedly some guy who served on the Canadian Forces, went AWOL, then went on to live his life as a ninja, accomplishing things like rescuing the princess of Pakistan from kidnappers.
It was easily the most imaginative piece of fiction I've ever read.
>>30363218
I would like to see this website. I hope someone saved a copy.
Did anyone else know that the Modern Varminter is declared NR? So now for the low low price of only $3.5k (+tax) you too can own a literal AR15 and take it in the woods.
>>30363675
I'd prefer a $500 Norc AR.
Thanks for nothing Liberal pussies.
>>30354357
Canada ammo. 20" upper.
>>30326058
So Some 20 somethings want to be tough on social media start a key board warrior fiasco with some hood rat kids. The hood rat kids call out the rich kid 20 somethings and then nothing happens. the brat kids start posting photos of them with dads and uncles shot guns and rifles trying to be tough guys, then get one of their friends to bring his restricted handguns and AR (restricted) to a farm and shoot up random Junk While video taping it. they then post this video as a warning intimidation to the hood rat kids. what I don't understand is why have they not been arrested yet for illegal transportation or discharging a restricted firearm in a other place besides a designated range? what does /k/anada think? Should rat the shits out or just let nature take its course?
>>30364241
Start shit with them and call them out, make sure not to sound antagonizing or threatening theyll most likely challenge you or threaten you or something stupid just keep calling them out and eventually theyll incriminate themselves alot its what i do
>>30364241
I'd suggest notifying a group like the NFA or CSSA and having them contact the coppers, that way it looks like the community is outing the irresponsible, and we get rid of the dipshits.
>>30364241
see if you can save that vid and take screenshots as evidence, Keepvid I'm sure now supports facebook videos and do as >>30365460
said tell them about the situation and give them the video in case it gets deleted
Shenanigans is up with bill S-223 it should have been dropped at reading 15 instead it passed first reading and has move onto second reading, currently there is no information on who is sponsoring it currently.
>>30367960
pls no
no pls
>>30367960
>From the senate yesterday.
"Strengthening Canadians' Security and Promoting Hunting and Recreational Shooting Bill
Bill to Amend—Second Reading—Debate Continued
Leave having been given to revert to Other Business, Senate Public Bills, Second Reading, Order No. 20:
On the Order:
Resuming debate on the motion of the Honourable Senator Hervieux-Payette, P.C., seconded by the Honourable Senator Jaffer, for the second reading of Bill S-223, An Act to amend the Firearms Act and the Criminal Code and to make consequential changes to other Acts.
Hon. Joan Fraser (Deputy Leader of the Senate Liberals): I'm still working on my notes, colleagues, so I would like to adjourn for the balance of my time.
(On motion of Senator Fraser, debate adjourned.)"
>Senator Fraser, Lib appointed by Turdeau Sr., Former journalist, QC riding
>>30327236
>>30326958
>>30326912
Also those shotgun adapters
>>30368033
>>30367960
What? I thought this shittery was dealt with. Either someone sponsored it (and we need to find out who), or the Libs are simply breaking the law to shove it through.
>>30368885
Sen. Mobina Jaffer of the B.C. libs responsored this abomination.
We need to raise the friggin roof on this. Contact her ASAP.
>>30369557
140 Wellington Street Suite, 900
Senate of Canada
Ottawa, ON K1A 0A4
[email protected]
>>30369557
what should we say ?
>>30369584
Good question. We got any legalfags in here that would know what to send?
>>30369602
There is talk that there was a motion to adjourn debate. It essentially saved the bill from expiring and reset the 15-order-day timer.
>>30369567
Time to mail that cunt pizza and dildos.
S-223 is dead.
>>30370388
It's still on the roster, and some B.C Lib cunt is sponsoring it.
>Reign your fucking politicians in, B.C., and stop keeping these fags in power
>>30347785
>>30344296
anyone know if AK foregrips will fit the type 81?
>>30370402
I'm trying but these cunts keep on being voted in by faggots in Vancouver and Victoria.
>>30370402
>25 sitting days since it was last debated
>past 15 day limit
>dead
>her face when /k/ucks were sure that bill S-223 was going to expire and be gone forever
>>30370503
Look for yourself, chummer.
http://www.parl.gc.ca/LegisInfo/BillDetails.aspx?Language=E&Mode=1&billId=8177186
Seems like it got responsored by sen. Mobina Jaffer yesterday.
>>30370503
>>30370836
Was it actually past it's 15 day limit? Is there Liberal fuckery afoot?
If so, inform TheRebel about it. They might be obnoxious as fuck about it, but they'll at least create a huge fuss if the Libs are screwing around.
>Here are the seven bold and progressive measures that I want to implement with this legislation. I hope you will share my opinion.
>First, the bill overhauls the current firearms program by prohibiting all firearms in Canada from being kept in dwelling- houses, except for hunting firearms and collectors’ firearms, which receive special treatment.
>Second, it redefines two of the three existing classes of firearms by creating the hunting firearm category and the circumscribed firearm category, which includes most of the firearms that were restricted under the previous program.
>Third, it permits the possession of hunting firearms in dwelling- houses and restricts the use and storage of circumscribed firearms to shooting clubs.
>Fourth, it limits the transport of circumscribed firearms to specialized transporters, similar to Brink’s, which have no interest other than providing secure transportation, thus strengthening control over the movement of firearms.
>Fifth, the bill replaces the term “registration certificate” with “inscription certificate.” I want to emphasize that the bill does not reinstate the Canadian unrestricted firearms registry. That is why we wanted to replace the term “registration” with “inscription,” which is more appropriate.
>Sixth, the bill strengthens the role of the Royal Canadian Mounted Police and the Commissioner of Firearms with a statutory provision.
>Seventh, the bill undoes all the provisions of Bill C-42, except for the prohibition on obtaining a possession and acquisition licence following a domestic violence conviction.
what the actual fuck
>>30370863
It was at the 15 day limit not sure if gov incompetence, lib fuckery, or just imma doge and have no idea whats going on.
Anyway the parlinfo page wont be updated till tomorrow at the earliest so unless someone was there or watching CPAC who knows what actually happened.
>>30370930
>First, the bill overhauls the current firearms program by prohibiting all firearms in Canada from being kept in dwelling- houses, except for hunting firearms and collectors’ firearms, which receive special treatment.
>Fourth, it limits the transport of circumscribed firearms to specialized transporters, similar to Brink’s, which have no interest other than providing secure transportation, thus strengthening control over the movement of firearms.
>>30370930
i am rustled
>>30370936
Did you go to the parlinfo page? Sure looks like it is updated. With her comments. Follow the damn links, dammit.
Seems like she basically went "yup I sponsor it, but don't have any notes together, lets move along" and reset the 15 days.
http://www.parl.gc.ca/LegisInfo/BillDetails.aspx?Language=E&Mode=1&billId=8177186
>>30370930
>>30370956
Basically they want us to only keep our guns at a range. And pay specialized moving companies to move guns from range to range.
And since ranges cannot hold all these guns, probably 75% of gun owners will be SOL and have to turn em in.
Exceptions made for "hunting" guns, which are defined as .22lr rifles, muzzleloaders and crossbows. Shows how WILDLY out of touch these morons are with reality. Imagine hunting moose with .22lr...
>>30371031
Oh, and I almost forgot, undoing bill c-42, which gives us castle doctrine and many other rights.
Fuck these morons. Jesus christ I am pissed.
>>30371031
Needed to refresh browser was getting a cached version. This is troubling.
>>30371031
>Exceptions made for "hunting" guns, which are defined as .22lr rifles, muzzleloaders and crossbows. Shows how WILDLY out of touch these morons are with reality. Imagine hunting moose with .22lr...
holy fucking shit
http://liberalsenateforum.ca/hansard/second-reading-bill-s-233-act-amend-firearms-act-criminal-code-make-consequential-changes-acts/
every comment on the reading is against the bill, so let's hope the other MPs feel the same way. even if it does get passed, the conservatives will throw it out when they get back in power
>>30370930
There is no fucking way this shit will pass, even Trudeau knows a bill like this would be met with massive non-compliance and absolutely kill the liberals next election.
>>30371031
The text is totally retarded:
>hunting firearm means a firearm — other than a prohibited firearm or a circumscribed firearm — that is prescribed to be a hunting firearm and that
>(a)has a smoothbore barrel that is more than 470 mm long,
>(b)has a striated barrel that is more than 470 mm long and that can discharge 22-calibre rimfire ammunition in a semi-automatic manner, or
>(c)is designed or adapted to be fired when reduced to a length of less than 660 mm by folding, telescoping or otherwise;
So, hunting firearms can either be smoothbores (shotguns), or .22s.
But c is misworded.
>>30371279
So SBRs are hunting firearms?
A Krink with folding stock would be a hunting firearm if it weren't already prohibited?
>>30371370
It's semi-auto, so it would be considered circumscribed if it wasn't already prohibited.
Actually, the law is even more of a mess.
A circumscribed firearm:
>(d)a firearm that is designed or adapted to be fired when reduced to a length of less than 660 mm by folding, telescoping or otherwise;
So it's circumscribed because of that, but it's also a hunting firearm because of
>(c)is designed or adapted to be fired when reduced to a length of less than 660 mm by folding, telescoping or otherwise;
>>30370585
>>30370402
>>30369602
WHAT SHOULD WE WRITE HER , legalfags we need you
>>30371435
"fhritp"
>>30371435
"kys", or "suck a dick"
t. law pro
>>30371435
Something along the lines of
>I am incredibly dissatisfied with bill S-223 because X, Y and Z, and I am outraged that you would support such a heinous disregard for the freedom of law abiding citizens.
>>30369584
>>30369602
>>30370402
>>30370863
>>30370956
>>30370988
>>30371105
>>30371113
>>30371279
>>30371581
Dear Sen. Mobina Jaffer
I am writing you today because I am incredibly dissatisfied with Senate Private Bill S-223 ,is anti-Canadian and not in the best interests of sportsmen, hunters and the general public.
This bill is a Trojan horse and will punish the already law abiding, tax paying, conservationists and recreational sportspersons.
This bill will do little to nothing to improve public safety, indeed it may accomplish just the opposite in that it is likely to cause a massive uproar, as well as incite resentment and distrust amongst the gun owning community.
It is also likely that it will turn law abiding citizens into criminals overnight.
The responsible use of firearms in both hunting and recreation has been an integral part of why our great country even formed, Canada without firearms would not be the Canada I love and share with all who experience it.
This bill describes some outlandish and bizarre methods of harassing already law abiding firearm owners such as having state authorized couriers and requiring centralized storage.
Many Canadian gun owners do not live near one of the less than 1000 shooting clubs in Canada, and collectively own over 5 million firearms. this stipulation is entirely unreasonable
>>30371435
>>30372235
Personally I don't see the point in writing to the bill's sponsor, as they're going to be blatantly anti-gun no matter how much hate mail they receive. If anything we should be spamming the public safety minister, or hell, even Trudeau's office.
>>30372271
>whynotboth.jpg
>>30371435
probably something to the extent of >>30371581
but add something like:
This Bill, aside from being based entirely on ignorance of firearms and on unwarranted prejudice towards a very large group of law abiding Canadians, if passed, would lead to undue and egregious infringement on the property rights and natural freedoms of law abiding citizens of this country; vilifying and marginalizing those who have already been crushed under the weight of unfair and unproductive regulations for decades, with no quantifiable improvement in citizen safety; no impact on crime and tremendous losses to the public purse. As in the case of some of those past laws, which were written by those who had no in-depth knowledge of firearms and seemed to be driven by emotion and motivated more by the fear of one's fellow man, than by the pursuit of the factual truth, based on reason and evidence; please do not repeat the mistakes of the past and refrain from abusing the power of your office and your party's majority status to impose these absurd, draconian measures, that would infringe upon the liberty and property rights of a very large group of law abiding Canadians. Stand up against the politics of discrimination and persecution by staying on the side of common sense and responsible government. Please do the right thing and unequivocally withdraw your support from Bill S-223.
>or something along those lines
>>30372448
you can also write this to whomever, just change the last sentence to "refuse to support" from "withdraw your support from"
In my opinion, the key points and catch-phrases to hit are:
Start with incompetency and ignorance
>Bill stems from complete ignorance of firearms, their technical aspects, use, part of culture, capabilities and limitations (hunting deer with .22lr is a good example of how absurd this is)
Then set up the motivation
>Bill driven by emotion and irrational fear of normal people who are into something both legal and safe (in the manner they have demonstrated that they practice it for decades) that the creator of bill doesn't understand and is irrationally afraid of
the previous point basically leads to nice buzzwords the left likes to use (and probably wouldn't like being used against them) like:
>"Discrimination", "prejudice", "vilifying", "marginalizing"
Then go into other things they wouldn't want said about them
>Abuse of power, over-reach of authority
Then cost and benefit, and wastefulness with public funds
>No results, no impact on crime, high costs, use "Public purse" to remind them whose money they would be wasting
Optionally hit on the mistakes of the past repeating again. How it didn't work, was wasteful and gov't is about to do it again. Not necessary, but could subtly lead into the last point
Liberal Scandal 2.0
>Can throw in "National scandal" somewhere to imply this will have a massive negative fallout in the media, with all of the colourful words above splashed over the national news
So if such a thing passes, what are the chances that governments of pro-gun provinces like Saskatchewan will kindly tell the federal government to fuck right off?
>>30373205
There is virtually no chance they would (could?)
>>30373205
Provincial governments are supposed to be the bitches of the feds in cases like this, but they could very well refuse to comply, or do the bare minimum and act to obstruct it as much as possible.
BC should be removed from Canada desu.
>>30373205
impossible, especially since in saskatchewan the RCMP also act as provincial police.
it would be completely ultra vires for the provinces to subvert federal law. it's not like in america where states can pout and be uncooperative with federal agencies. here, the division of powers between federal and provincial gov is clearly outlined in s.91 and 92 of the BNA act.
>>30373286
it'll happen eventually, one big wave should take care of them.
>>30373335
It's conceivable they could make very public statements denouncing it, form a provincial police force, using this as part of the explanation, or simply refusing to prosecute people arrested under this bill in their provincial courts.
Got my new turkshit scatter gat
Wood 10/10, barrel has some scuffs, action is stiff, trigger is short and really heavy. I'll see if any of this corrects itself at the range this weekend.
>>30373205
they tried this before
didn't work
why wasn't I born a chug with near-unlimited gun rights?
it's fucking ridiculous that they can walk around with unregistered AKs because "muh traditional hunting" when it was my ancestors who introduced them to guns in the first place. It's more traditional for me than it is for them.
>>30373362
nobody has the money for that, as glorious as it would be. strangely, provinces with their own police force are worse for gun owners
>>30373335
This shit was the reason why they forbidden the formation of a federal police force during confederation. The only reason why the RCMP exists was the loophole for territories.
They became famous because people thought they got the chuggs to stop drinking and the Americans from annexing the NWT. Now provinces voluntarily rent out their services.
>>30373286
Why?
>>30373411
>nobody has the money for that, as glorious as it would be.
If they weren't paying the RCMP they'd have enough money to at least attempt it, with some additional cash. It would still cost a lot but could be better in the long term.
>strangely, provinces with their own police force are worse for gun owners
Has to do more with what provinces have their own forces. Quebec (anti gun central) and Ontario (the place saddled with fucking Toronto). The largest population centres, and therefore the places where a lot of the cops, especially higher ups, come from are extremely anti gun in general. Most of the beat cops are pretty relaxed if you don't make an ass of yourself.
>>30373403
hello Ukrazee
>>30373286
BC is one of the largest populations of gun owners in Canada.
if anyone should be removed it should be Quebec.
>>30373457
Another reason for Albertans to hate Allison Redfraud. Plans for a provincial police force were well underway (they even started construction on a training facility). Then Allison, in between flying herself and her daughter to where-ever cancels that, and signs a deal with the RCMP to keep policing.
>>30373601
Ever read Infinite Jest?
