i have a hypothetical for you /k/. could you carry 2 colt navy revolvers? they have plenty of stoping power if you carry at least the .36. they also prouduce a fair amount of smoke so if you find yourself in a sticky situation could you escape by fanning the hammer? in a building it seems like it may work. discuss.
>>30320174
If you fan the hammer you'll get spent caps stuck in the action
Yeah, you COULD if you wanted to, but it'd be retarded unless it's literally your only option.
You COULD carry it, nothing stopping you if you're legally allowed to carry.
But /should/ you though?
if it's the only pistol you got, than maybe. if you're buying it as a dedicated carry piece instead of the other myriad of cheap options in cartridge handguns, i'd say you're a tad soft in the head.
That said, i do carry mine innawoods. but only because it makes a good companion for my flintlock.
>>30320174
I've got a 1851 Navy Colt replica. Something that I learned is that you lose accuracy with increasing powder load. The ball travels faster and the rifling can't grip the ball to stabilize properly. At 15 yards with 10 grain charge I was shooting a 4 inch group. The little notch in the hammer for a rear sight is crap. Also, the little cap tends to fall of once the hammer strikes it. And when it falls off it falls in between the cylinder and frame, jamming it. With 30 grains of powder, it has some decent power, but will be unable to hit a barn door at 50 yds. If you have a miniball, things might be different, but I don't know where to find them in .36, or sabot slugs in .36 either.
>>30320174
I carry an 1858 remmy with a Kirst cartridge conversion cylinder. (I have the frame cut and a ejection rod added on it as well).Works pretty well. This gets around the fact that I can't purchase a cartridge pistol under 21, (18 as of now), while still letting me buy a cartridge pistol, lmao.
>>30320174
>>30320228
> Open frame
>>30321965
ok?
in a Navy, there is no black powder load you could possibly fit into the chamber that would blow your gun up. in a .36 cylinder I've only ever got 35 grains in it and in the .44 cylinder I've only got to 40.
>>30320174
Why though?
I own a replica G&G that I like to shoot for shits and giggles, but after shooting it a bunch I wouldn't trust my life to it.
>>30320174
>hypothetical
>>30320174
Not this faggot hypothetical OP, but is anyone here carrying BP on a daily basis?
I'm really interested to know how long loaded cylinders can reliably fire. I tried it with my 1858 and two month later (in a dry environement) it refused to fire (at first).
Indeed, the caps would not detonate, but as soon as I changed the first one, all the other chambers fired with their original cap. So i'm confused but I can put the guilt on me, since now that I recall there was a yollowish powder clogging the chimneys when I removed trhe first cap.
Maybe the vibration from the shot did remove the clot hence why the next caps fired without problem...
Anyway, any intel is welcomed
>>30322761
>Not this faggot hypothetical OP, but is anyone here carrying BP on a daily basis?
I'm >>30320228
I wouldn't say daily, but i do carry it a lot when i hunt.
>I'm really interested to know how long loaded cylinders can reliably fire
I've never kept my revolver loaded for more than a week. but as an experiment i left my flintlock loaded for 6 months. it shot fine.
well made powder doesn't go bad. the substitutes less so unless moisture is added. if you ensure your ball is tight, moisture will not seep in. ( form the front) though the nipple is the liability i suppose. and i think condensation might do you in if there's any air inside your chamber. but i'm not sure about that one.
Percussion Caps are a wild card. if they're not tight on the nipple they can have issues combusting. but i'm not sure if they can go bad since i only use caps for my Navy.
>>30320183
Or get a remington 1858
>>30322918
>getting a brick
>implying the majority of the navies problems don't stem from the cut made in the hammer for the pins on the cylinder.
>implying a bit of JB weld or some slix shot nipples won't cure this
>>30320174
>black powder carry
Don't forget your top hat and monocle, you fucking faggot
>>30322918
Not him, but on my 1858 spent caps do get stuck between the cylinder and the frame if I don't raise the barrel while cycling the action.
>>30322903
Well thanks that's helpfull, as you said caps are probably the where the liability is, I thought about loading a cylinder then sealing it into some kind of hermetical bag to have in handy.
To anyone reading me, what's the biggest thing you killed with a bp Gun / Rifle?
I heard about some reliable rodent shooting but how big does it goes?
>>30323398
> what's the biggest thing you killed
killed a coyote with my Navy.
6 point deer with my .50 flintlock.
>>30323482
>6 point deer
Are you fucking with me?
If not that's really impressive, I heard much conflicted reports about the actual ability of a BP to do anything. Only killed paper targets with it so far, so I don't really know.
What did you loaded the cylinder with? I plan to use swiss powder with conical bullets because fudds told me it was the best loadout, but once again I don't know fuck.
>>30323540
>If not that's really impressive,
it isn't but that's about as big as deer get usually where i hunt.
they're not as big, but i've killed some good sized hogs with it too. i'd say they're tougher than a white tail.
>I heard much conflicted reports about the actual ability of a BP to do anything
Depends on the caliber. a fifty is from my experience the best for deer sized and smaller. but i always hear folks using .54s for elk and moose.
>What did you loaded the cylinder with?
My favorite load in my .36 is 25 grains of my own home brew powder that's sieved to about 3f in size, but for the factory powders, Goex 2f is my preferred. I only have a ball mod at the moment, so in my revolvers i use roundball
in my Rifle, because of the slow as hell twistrate, 1:66 i use a patched .45 round ball for best results with a usual powder charge of 75 grains. but in rifles, you need to experiment a bit to see what your gun shoots best with. Best way to find out is start with a powder size the same as your caliber and go up from there until you find best accuracy.
be careful when taking advice from fudds. a lot of fuddlore is common so it's best to find things out yourself. while using conicals in pistols will get you more velocity usually, there isn't as much energy transfer (whether or not this matters to you is up for you to decide honestly.) and if you're looking for best accuracy, i've learned from my time in CAS that using low powder charges make a flatter shot.
>>30323657
>i've killed some good sized hogs
Damn now I wanna try that, i've put so many down with 12ga it's not even funny.
> a fifty is from my experience the best
So you wouldn't recommend to try a .44 for small game? I've always wanted to try revolver hunting and it would be the easier way to do so, if it's reliable.
> Goex 2f
No such thing is available for sale in my socialist republic, so I guess i'll have to do with the BP. I'm too much of a newbie as for now to try doing my bp / cast my bulets. But i'll work my up there.
I found a website offering quite a nice all in one tryout package, i'll see what does best and see from there.
On a side note, do you craft paper cartridges or do you pour directly the powder into the cambers?
Anyway thanks for the detailed anwer, sure helps to have some /k/ommando to slay fudds by your side
>>30323956
* Meant swiss BP
And here's the offer
http://www.hc-collection.com/PBSearch.asp
>>30323956
>>30323968
Dayum how drunk am I wtf.
So here's the actual offer
http://www.hc-collection.com/pochette-d-essai-30-balles-pour-cartouche-papier-combustible-44-hc-c2x3615338
>>30320174
while on the topic of muzzle loaders does anyone know of any dealers/people in general who will ship them directly to my door? I live in California and the only gun shop not a retarded distance away from me is so absolutely paranoid of law enforcement busting their door down that they're refusing to sell BP reproduction revolvers to me because I'm 18
>>30323016
>not owning a top hat and a gold pocket watch
Pleb
>>30323956
>Damn now I wanna try that, i've put so many down with 12ga it's not even funny.
It's fun as shit with a cartridge gun, but it makes a real thrilling challenge with a single shot. gotta make sure you get the fucker good or they'll be gone before you know it.
>So you wouldn't recommend to try a .44 for small game?
the minimal legal caliber for Deer is .45 in my state/ so if you want to try that, check your diameter and local laws.
20 grains behind a .454 diameter ball is great for yotes, rabbit, coons, and woodchuck. or really anything else of the size.
>No such thing is available for sale in my socialist republic
hah, i had the same issue, that's why i got into making my own. i hate using the Substitutes. and it's hella expensive to ship real black powder.
>On a side note, do you craft paper cartridges or do you pour directly the powder into the cambers?
I sometimes do for my revolver. Cigarette rolling papers are best from my experience because they're just the right size, thin and easy to tear.
>Anyway thanks for the detailed anwer, sure helps to have some /k/ommando to slay fudds by your side
No problem. may not be enough of us to fill an /arg/ but there are enough to help.
>>30323540
>I heard much conflicted reports about the actual ability of a BP to do anything
I have quite a lot of history books in front of me that more or less agree that yes, most definitely, BP has been able to "do anything" (where "anything" means "kill shit dead") since the 1300's, thank you very much.
>>30323997
Check your states laws.
Federally, black powder rifles and pistols can be shipped to your door, but some states (New Jersey and New York come to mind) regulate these more than others.
Both guns were shipped to me the week of purchasing. (both were from Dixie Gun Works too.) but i live in NC.
>>30324128
there's nothing in Californian law about getting "curios and relics"(as they are classified in the laws of this state) in the mail being illegal, the problem is dealers are paranoid because it's a blue state
>>30324147
did you check to see if receiving a black powder handgun at 18 is a no no?
if it isn't, you can try referencing this next time you buy. but i'd just get someone over 21 to buy it otherwise.
>>30324095
Well no kidding sherlock, bullets makes peoples dead?
I was asking about the behaviour of such bullets during hunting, which is far different from shooting Johhny redcoat and not caring if he dies on the spot, or 3 days later due to his wounds. If i'm going to hunt with any caliber, it better have the ability to take down what I aim reliably, precisely, and not from 2 yards away.
>>30324091
No caliber requirements where I live so i'm fine, I could hunt with a frying pan if I wanted to.
So substitues it'll be, 2f is pretty much the same granulation for every manufacturer.
>>30321510
>Colt
Get an 1858
>>30320174
Most shootouts only involve a couple of shots anyway. I wouldn't carry something in single action though because unless you're a damn good shot and make that first one matter billy the tweaker is going to magdump in your general direction with an automatic and only needs to get lucky on one shot.
>>30324571
>I could hunt with a frying pan if I wanted to.
Challenge accepted
felons/wifebeaters who can't legally own, let alone carry, real guns ITT
>>30324849
>only felons are allowed to have fun
>>30324822
I stated this because I already seen it done in the past, the story however is not that funny.
> Live near a lake with quite a bunch of people on the shore
> The wildlife is numerous, and amongst them ducks
> Be me 14
> Do shit near the shore, can't remember what
> See an old lady going after a Lady duck which was followed by it's ducklings
> The women kinda sneak close enough to snatch two of them with the hand
> The mother duck is heading back not really affraid quacking as hell
> Frying pan smash à la Serena williams but as if she was bashing with a hammer
> Not really shocked but still, kinda amazed by the sheer lack of fucks given by that women
Pan kinda related
>>30325088
...WHY?
>unrelated: you should post that to /an/ and see what happens
>>30324179
currently placing an order with Dixie to see how it pans out, fingers crossed.
>>30325150
Dixie Gun Works is my favorite sight to order from for Black powder related things.
if it works out, and you ever need parts check these dudes out too. https://www.vtigunparts.com/
I've broken hand springs and bolts before and these dudes are a life saver.
would the ball and powder stay in the whole time through shit?
I mean I get that its packed tightly and all but I'd hate to draw and have my ball and powder just fall out all over me, you know?
also, it would take a fuck of a lot of training to get it drawn and cocked and fired by the time you're already drawn on by a bad guy.
however it would be really really fucking cool
>>30325088
I posted this over on /an/ and they asked if the ducklings died. You should go answer them
>>30325262
>I mean I get that its packed tightly and all but I'd hate to draw and have my ball and powder just fall out all over me, you know?
No, appropriate size balls do not fall out. you'll know it's appropriately sized when just the slightest amount of lead is shaved off when going in. if done correctly, your ball has as much chance of falling out of the cylinder as a bullet falling out of it's casing for a cartridge revolver.
If you do not have a tight seal, you will have what's known as a chainfire. which may end up taking parts of your gun to china.
here's am example of a guy purposely creating a chainfire.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ne4VgCdAy7Y
>>30325325
if he knew it was gonna happen, why the fuck was he holding it?
also, thanks.
>that BP FWABOOM sound
every time
>>30325363
>if he knew it was gonna happen, why the fuck was he holding it?
More balls than me.
To be honest though. since all of the projectiles are facing forward there's little chance of him getting hit by anything. only real danger is if one of the lower chambers hits the actual gun.
Also, i can't believe I've forgotten to post this yet, but here's a vid of MAC comparing a .44 colt and a 9x19 Beretta.
Comparing what they do to gel is pretty neat.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VpIVLUQ9rk8
>>30325117
>>30325324
Uh I'm not really sure about the ducklings, since she only killed the mother on the spot and took the rest to her house.
So 50/50 is she had a henhouse I guess?
But it's not really unusual, i've seen quite a bunch of young wild boars ran over by atv's, too often to think that it's just accidents.
No biggie in any case, Canard with orange sauce is worth it in my book.
for someone new to black powder, whats a good first revolver?
also anyone here ever tried to restore a nepalise enfield p-53, or martini henry?
>>30325447
>whats a good first revolver?
Uberti Walker
>>30325447
>Uberti Walker
He's right, but if you don't want to blow 500 dolaridoos away in your first BP gun, anything steel frame by Pietta will do the trick and prove far less expensive, in the 200-300 price range.
>>30325447
>whats a good first revolver?
Depends what you want, what's your budget and if it's your first ever revolver.
If you've owned a revolver before, they're fairly straight forward as far as handling and shooting goes. they're the first "modern" firearms to be made. so they set the precedent for what a revolver looks and handles like.
I wanted to get something vaugely"confederate"ish. so i got one of them brass framed .36 Navies. which while i doubt the Italians were going for this. it's actually a fairly good copy of a Schneider & Glassick revolver.
>>30325605
its my first revolver in general, yes.
I too want something confederateish, so I may just copy your decision.
>>30325824
As far as confederate copies go, there's a few you can do.
Uberti makes a copy of a Leech and Rigdon. and Pietta does a decent Dance Brothers revolver. These aren't Navy clones so much as they're baby dragoon clones. if you're looking for a brass framed revolver. Pietta makes a Griswald and Gunnison, which is a copy of the Navy except with a round barrel. and you could of course get just a brassed framed navy. as previously stated, a Dragoon or Walker is very much a good option if you want a big ass hand cannon. fuckers bigger than a deagle.
if you've got some money to spend. a Starr revolver in either single or double action would be neat too. although mostly a union gun. there were some that found their way down south.
and of course, the Cadillac of percussion revolvers
The Lemat. 9 shots of pain with a 10th tube full of buck. it's a beast of a gun but also expensive.
Brass is fine in the .36s but people on the internet say the frames will deform or the arbor will stretch on the .44s. My Navy started out as a .44 and i've shot it a shitload. but i've since gotten a junked .36 that i use for spare parts and the Barrel and Cylinder fits it fine. so i often use the .36
>>30326043
>fuckers bigger than a deagle.
indeed
Does anyone use paper cartridges here?
>>30329277
have wanted too but dont know how to make the paper
>>30325325
This guy is gonna end with a Darwin award but still, very interesting.
Makes sense to see undersized balls chainfire,
I wouldn't worry about it with a normal sized ball even if I always put some lithium grease at the end of the chambers to try and seal them
.>>30324091
BP guns are amazing for you can pretty much craft everything required to shoot them, I've even heard about some dudes crafting their own caps.
I imagine that you won't reveal your secret mix, but do you gather everything by yourself in order to make the powder or do you buy some of the components?
