CALL YOU DAMN REP'S. WE CAN'T ALLOW HISTORY TO BE DESTROYED UNDER OUR WATCH
https://www.congress.gov/bill/114th-congress/senate-bill/2943/text?q=%7B%22search%22%3A%5B%22National+Defense+Authorization+Act%22%5D%7D&resultIndex=1
(1) REQUIRED TRANSFER.—Not later than 90 days after the date of the enactment of this Act, and subject to paragraphs (3) and (4), the Secretary of the Army shall transfer to Rock Island Arsenal all excess firearms, related spare parts and components, small arms ammunition, and ammunition components currently stored at Defense Distribution Depot, Anniston, Alabama, that are no longer actively issued for military service.
(2) REPURPOSING AND REUSE.—The items specified for transfer under paragraph (1) shall be melted and repurposed for military use as determined by the Secretary of the Army, including—
(A) the re-forging of new firearms or their components; and
(B) force protection barriers and security bollards.
(3) TRANSFER FOR HISTORICAL PURPOSES.—Notwithstanding paragraphs (1) and (2), the Secretary may transfer up to 2,000 surplus caliber .45 M1911/M1911A1 pistols and 2,000 M–14 Rifles to a military museum for display and preservation.
(4) ITEMS EXEMPT FROM TRANSFER.—M–1 Garand and caliber .22 rimfire rifles are not subject to the transfer requirement under paragraph (1).
(b) Navy transfers.—Section 40728 of title 36, United States Code, is amended by adding at the end the following new subsection:
>>30294839
Bump, keep this alive and spread the word. These pistols have been kept stored away for decades waiting to be released to future custodians of history. We can not sit and watch them destroy objects with such a connection to our nation's history
I thought these were going to the CMP?
>>30294863
Not anymore if you don't contact your reps ASAP. Congress can fuck around for months arguing over trivial changes to legislation, but somehow pass a bill condeming pieces of American History to the melting pot in 2 days. Note that this includes M14's and M1 Carbines as well that are left in storage at army depot facilties
>>30294839
4am bump for you early waking/ late night perusing anon's.
Make sure this gets seen, do your part to save history!
thank god.
Step aside, REAL guns of the 21st century need some space.
>>30294900
Not tonight Glockfags, this is far more important than a shitposting contest
>>30294839
why destroy them instead of selling them to civies or other nations millitaries
>>30294900
Fuck you. History>plastic hand grenade
>>30294839
Look at the yeas and nays, look what happened next week.
It is a lost cause.
>>30294900
Enjoy your grenade
>>30294949
Beccause all of a sudden, Politicians are about cutting costs. They have no problem okaying the production of a missile that costs $100,000 that soldiers shoot at huts to knock out 4-10 enemy combats with AK's. But no, we have to melt down every piece of history to save $10,000 on making new firearms for the military.
>>30294900
Get that shit out of my face, faggot
>>30294954
If you keep that mentality about you, then they have already won. If you feel this is important, you need to contact your reps and tell them kindly, in a well spoken manner, that you will vote their asses out of office if they chose to go against the will of the people.
>>30294929
I kid, but I sent a letter to my rep
>>30294983
thank you anon, but we all need to contribute to the cause. As I type, I am hand writing a letter to my congressmen and will be put in the mail tomorrow
>>30294988
I'll make sure to post a thread about this first thing when I wake up. This is definately more important than the umpteenth fucking orlando thread.
>>30294991
>This is definately more important than the umpteenth fucking orlando thread
I agree, that is another battle we will fight later. But right now, these retired weapons and pieces of American History on on the chopping block right now. If this passes through Congress, it will most certainly be signed by the President. If that happens, In 3 months these pistols and other firearms will be nothing more than ingots of steel.
Got an email for someone in charge of this shitshow?
I'm a Bong so I can't write to anyone but if there's somewhere online I can appeal to their fear of being like the British.
Sheeiiiit
>>30295029
I appreciate the help, Britbro. If you're active on any shooting sports or firearms boards, I would greatly appreciate if you took the time to make a post and spread the word any way that you can.
>>30294983
>>30294988
>Thinking your congressmen give one tenth of a shit about what you think
Those letters are foing straight into the trash unopened and they'll vote based on what lobbyist pays the most
>>30295039
Not true, I regularly write my reps and have received personalized letters back numerous times. Even if what you say is true, in what world is sitting back and doing nothing better than at least trying to make an impact?
I thought that I saw in the news someplace that surplus M1911's were going to be sold for civilian use/CMP. I guess they changed their minds.
CAN I SAVE THEM SO I CAN BUY THEM FOR $500 OR LESS MAYBE?!
>>30295057
I wonder if the 50 faggots getting gunned down had anything to do with it
>>30295039
Sadly, this. Never mind the amount of money the gov't could make selling these through the CMP.
It states the garands are exempt but rumor has it that they are going to destroy everything, rifles,parts,ammo, it's basically the end of the CMP if this happens.
a few threads were created at the CMP forum and they were quickly deleted.
>>30295077
Yea, that's bs. They should really start concentrating on mental health instead of all this 'guns are bad.' The only reason they are doing this is because they want to get rid of the guns. It's the only thing keeping what remains of our Goverment in check.
>>30295066
You can get new 1911s for 500 or less right now.
>inb4 muh history, ah wanna gun dat dun killed nazis n gooks
bumping. This needs to be brought to others attention.
Why the fuck can't they just ship them to Kurdistan?
topkek
I bet NRA secretly opposes the surplus M1911s because the influx of new, used weapons would cut into the profit margins of their corporate backers. Same reason NRA is mostly passive when it comes to lifting import bans/restrictions.
>>30295200
It's sad but this is probably true.
I was hoping to buy one for historical purposes but unless someone talks them out of it, looks like that won't happen now. I can try writing my congressmen but the problem is I live in IL, I may as well be bailing out the Titanic with a thimble.
I will spread this around any and every place I can think of. We need to beat this back, /k/ameraden
>>30295094
>Focussing on mental health will stop shootings
It sounds nice but it would do utterly nothing positive and probably end up wasting millions and unfairly depriving Americans of their rights.
Vast majority of mass shooters aren't mentally ill anyways, that's just something said after the fact to spin a narrative. Calling them all crazy keeps people from asking too many questions, like why young men have so much anger towards our society or why multiculturalism is forced on us when Muslims keep trying to murder us.
Hi. US Army Ordnance here. Have you ever SEEN the 1911s that are still in our inventory? The CMP took all the ones they wanted YEARS ago.
What's left are shot out, worn down, damaged, or completely fucking broken guns.
They mostly held onto them because there was a plan to refurb a shitload of them and use them to arm the Iraqi and Afghani governments then they just gave them Glocks, but the plan was still there, we've just got to get the funding. Should Be Any Day Now(TM).
>>30295200
McCain has co sponsored the bill. My money is on destroying guns that might be put back in service.
>gee, our guys could use some .308 rifles
>too bad we melted all those M14s
>guess will have buy some AR10s from senator kickbacks congressional district
>>30295274
M14s that would have been refurbished have already been refurbished into M21s or M39s and even those are being phased out in favor of the SCAR/G28.
Serious question here for all the Bamers wondering.
Can I go to this storage house and buy some of these 1911s? If they're going to melt them down they might as well make some sort of profit. I don't know if they have a civvie show room but I guess it's worth a try.
>>30295039
It really depends on whether or not your rep gives any semblance of a shit. See >>30295055
The thing is, even if they read and reply it doesn't matter unless there is a 200-500 email/letter flood from people in the district.
>pic related, my rep.
>>30295175
We have XDs as standard issue.
We don't need 50 year old 1911s
>>30295329
GOOD, WE DIDNT WANT TO GIVE EM TO YOU ANYWAYS
>>30295100
Not very good 1911s for $500 tho.
And not colt/ithaca quality by any stretch of the imagination
>>30295346
Rock Islands are solid.
Not gucci, but solid.
And let's face it, these milsurp 1911s won't be very good. They're beat to shit.
>>30294839
They cannot sell those 1911s to the public. They are old and crap, they cannot guarantee the metallurgical integrity of the components, the disposal would damage domestic industry.
>>30294839
My rep. is Tim Ryan (D)
>(D)
FUCK
>>30295390
Fair enough, but
>muh history
>>30295394
>guns, much like milk, go bad after extended periods of storage
A fucking m2 flamethrower used in WWII, Korea AND Vietnam still worked fine. Stop talking out your ass about things you don't understand
>>30295429
>flamethrower
A flamethrower shoots liquid. There is no comparison with a firearm whatsoever. You are posting complete shit.
>>30294839
What section of the bill is it under. Also in this is the call for the AF to no longer need to keep the F-117 and A-10's in storage...its saying the can scrap them in "DIVISION A—DEPARTMENT OF DEFENSE AUTHORIZATIONS
TITLE I—PROCUREMENT"
>>30295446
>a flamethrower doesn't have to have parts under pressure from gasses to propel a projectile
Oh of course, silly me.
>>30295394
>Metal goes bad in old guns
I'm sorry, couldn't hear you over this m1 garand I was cleaning.
Was that some ignorant fucking shit you were spouting?
>>30295488
>parts under pressure
Easily replaceable parts, under no more pressure than a domestic water supply. There is no comparison with the pressure the inside of a firearm experiences, stop posting crap.
>>30295394
grandpa's steel is better. it was virgin steel made in indiana or pittsburgh out of minnesota iron ore, which is better than any of the shit we make from imported chinese scrap now.
>fucking McCain is sponsoring it
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>>30294950
Nice Webleys! .455 or shaved?
>>30295502
>domestic water pressure is 450 psi
Wew
It may not be barrel pressure, but it's more than a fucking garden hose.
Metal doesn't go bad from sitting on a shelf
>>30295588
He has always been a fucking Republican In Name Only. This senile fuck is no hero.
>>30295031
made and used by the greatest generation to defend american ideals and interests at home and abroad, only to be warped and discarded by their grandchildren
too bad about the 1911s too
>>30294839
>they're not A1's
I am not okay here.
>>30294839
Alright, so I want to help out here, but I've never done it before so I need a little assistance. Would an email and a hand written letter be best? I'm sure I can get some of my family on board, would it be too much to go to the range I frequent as well, or would that be a good call if I can get them to agree to help? Would a letter from a licensed FFL hold more weight?
>>30295918
in your mom
>>30295918
https://www.congress.gov/bill/114th-congress/senate-bill/2943/text?q=%7B%22search%22%3A%5B%22National+Defense+Authorization+Act%22%5D%7D&resultIndex=1
Ctrl-F "1911".
>>30295457
They attach crap to bills like these all the time. The bill that allowed us to buy 1911's from the CMP last year was attached to something much like this bill.
>>30294900
>glock
>21st century
History isn't yo brightest subject, is it?
>>30294839
If these are like the barrels of them i use to see in the 80's and 90's they're probably shot out with broken parts. However if you could buy them for say $30 a piece you could probably but 10 and put together 1 1/2 complete working ones and maybe come out cheaper than buying a used one but bonus you'll have tons of spare parts.
>>30295239
I know that feel mane, mikulski and carden for sure wont help this case.
>>30295981
There probably are quite a few that need repair, but that has always been the purpose of the CMP's armorers. Very few of the M1's they sell are ready to go being pulled from the crate in Army storage. Most require a change of a spring or part of the bolt, maybe a new op rod etx. Fortunately both Garands and 1911's are mostly easy to work on
>>30295268
Calling bullshit on this. I worked at the CMP warehouse and there were never any 1911's in storage there. Not to mention that their charter does not allow the transfer of any firearms that are not bolt action or semi auto .30 and .22 rifles. The charter was not amended to allow the transfer of 1911's to them until like November of last year.
>>30296165
I was gonna say, I know they had m1 carbines and 1903 Springfields, but I thought they never carried 1911s of any variety. And unless >>30295268
Works at the specific arsenal, how would he know what quality they are in?
>>30296165
Ordnancebro here, you have a point, however I was stationed in a US Army facility that used to store approximately 15000 M1911 handguns. About twelve years back 7000 or so were transferred to a civil agency's control. Loading the fuckers onto trucks was one of the first things I ever did in the Army.
I actually don't know WHAT agency now that I think about it, I always assumed it was the CMP because they specifically took the ones we had listed as good enough to be put back into service if we needed to.
Then about three years after that, we had to sort through the remaining 1911s and grade them based on how much work it would take to restore them to functional condition.
Nearly every single one had worn-out barrels, missing parts, broken springs, you name it. We had maybe 200 that could have been restored with hand tools, another 500 that were completely ruined (I recall one that looked like a tank had run it over, there was a ten degree bend in the frame and slide) and the rest were all somewhere in between.
>>30296234
i dont understand why the army doesnt sell those to people innamilitary.
say you have the 1911s (or whatever) which are fixable, but the army just doesn't want to deal with it.
so then you could put them in big boxes and bins for say, $200 a bin, tax free and all that.
and boom, gov't makes money, some boot gets a shitload of cool-ass guns, and 1911s are saved.
everybody wins.
>>30295304
You most definitely cannot walk up to a US Armory and ask to buy a few of the guns, lol. They're in storage, not set out for sale.
At best they'll just laugh at you and tell you no, at worst you might get arrested as a terrist or something.
>>30296272
Because the metal is more valuable to be recycled than the paltry cash sums.
Not withstanding contracts that state this is too be done.
>>30294839
It says right in OP quote that they're being sent to Rock Island Arsenal to be made into new guns. What's the problem?
>old shitty broken 1911s are reborn in the flames of Rock Island into new 1911s
>not thinking this is metal as fuck
>>30296315
because they aren't A1s.
they're rare just M1911s, pre A1 so before the 30s.
and they just want to melt the metal down, doesn't say into what. probably bars and then that gets fucked with.
could be a 240, could be a 5 ton.
these guns do not deserve that fate.
Bump. Somebody Make a new thread when this one dies, we have to spread the word!
>>30296331
Read the posts further up from the arsenal workers ITT
The ones that were even remotely salvageable were offloaded years ago (nobody seems to know where to, probably the Phillipines or something).
The only ones that remain are totally FUBAR, at this point they're just historically interesting paperweights made out of valuable steel
>>30294900
I may STRONGLY prefer glocks to the 1911, but can you shitpost elsewhere? You would really sacrifice these perfectly functional pieces of history to keep the ratio of glocks to 1911s high?
Kill yourself
>>30296356
>perfectly functional
But they're not that, at all. Read the thread.
>>30296303
100,000 pistols at $800 (which is about half the currebt price of an average mixmaster USGI 1911) a piece is $80,000
High quality scrap is about $185 a ton right now because the steel market is flooded. Each pistol weighs 2.5lbs meaning there's 250,000 pounds of steel divide that by 2000lb for a ton you get roughly 125 tons. 125×185 = $23,125.
>>30296374
it wouldnt be like 800 bucks a pistol.
you could probably do like, a big box or crate of about 100 for $850.
which is still a shitload more money than at scrap value.
>>30296362
I did. Perhaps I should rephrase for you, potentially functional.
I am game for historical value and cost.
If it costs $100 to buy and $200 to fix, that is $300 total.
Works for me
>>30295429
If you're referring to the one featured on Forgotten Weapons recently, it had to go through multiple tests to ensure it was still safe to operate.
>>30296374
Its not apt to be seel, its going to be an alloy of it with a much better value.
I do agree the lack of resale is odd, but I have been around long enough to know its old policy, but never an explained policy.
>>30294839
cant afford. but cant let this happen!!! EVERYBODY GET IN HERE
>>30295918
Jesus Christ, kill yourself you massive faggot and stop linking every god damn post.
Is there any realistic chance that this could be ammended out, or has McCain's fuckery become shielded already by this legislative inertia?
I'm guessing they did this to fuck with us gun owners for gun control
I can't search the bill for the specific part about the 1911's, it is taking an impossibly long time to load. What is really happening and can it be changed at all?
>>30294875
>pieces of American History
Look, I don't want them to be melted down either, but you're selling things a bit hard here, and you're preaching to the choir. It's not like one of these was used to shoot Adolf Hitler in the head though, and there's already tonnes of vintage WW1 and 2 .45's in museums.
>>30297037
It's Subtitle E, Section 331.
all but 2000 1911s and 2000 M-14s getting melted down "to make other guns! huhr! cause we're out of steel!" Those 4,000 guns are going to museums. You see, the logic is that 4,000 museums want them, but no private collectors ever would.
Like bleaching flags that flew over the trenches so we can make tablecloths, because hey, museums already have all the flags they need!
>>30297169
Just because they dont have an extensively documented past for each pistol does not mean they are insignificant. That pile of 1911's in the OP actually is a sample of 1911's in storage at Anniston. Just from that randomly picked sample, there were some interesting examples. 2 Russian marked Lend Lease pistols, a few RAF marked pistols, a few original WWI era M1911's.
What's more important, keeping bits of history that we already have a lot of museum pieces of, or recycling them for new equipment for today's military and saving a lot of money? IMO it would be cool to know bits of history were inside of my rifle/handgun if I were a soldier
>>30297169
Bro -- are war medals a piece of history? Are flags a piece of history? Are cannons a piece of history? Museums of History seem to think so. In fact, 4000 of these weapons are being distributed to museums, because they're considered important enough to be remembered as part of American history.
>>30297251
Since when has saving money ever been a priority of congress? If they want to cut costs, maybe they should stop the military and Law Enforcement agency's from spending every penny of their budget just for the sake of spending it. Melting down these 1911's will save them maybe $15,000 after all the labor and resources used to melt them down. That buys what? 20 M4's? Maybe a re-servicing on a Humvee? The idea is preposterous and only serves to kick history buffs in their balls.
>>30297353
Oh, the military isn't the one making the decision? You're right then
What happened to the CMP bill that got passed?
>>30297449
That was in the 2016 National Defense Bill. This legislation is part of the 2017 National Defense Bill. Although, if this act is passed, it will immediately be enacted and the 1911's will be destroyed within 90 days.
>>30296809
Not him but do something bout it faggot.
Eh, I'd rather they be recycled into something cool like a public art piece or memorial than let loose on the streets the way you guys seem intent on doing.
>>30294839
WHAT THE FUCK
>>30297588
Oh boy...
>>30296374
100000x800= 80 million.
Forgive me for the silly question, but when I call my rep, what exactly should I say? Call out the whole bill or just the 1911 part?
Find your Rep
http://www.house.gov/representatives/find/
>>30297588
The hook is baited, now we wait for the (you)s to start rolling in
>>30297675
The section about melting historically valuable guns and be sure to mention they'd make more money selling them through CMP. The collector and milsurp community are rabid after all.
>>30297588
>MFW there are actually people who think like this
At least it gives me the funny image of someone taking like, a giant bag of guns and throwing them out a window, yelling "YOU'RE FREEEE!" as they scatter into the wind.
>>30297267
Everything is a part of history. My great grandfather's pocket watch is too, but to be 100% honest there's nothing special about it (to anyone but me and some family) or museum-worthy.
"Random Colt .45 that was to Russia" or fought in WW1 is neat, but it doesn't make it some cherished heirloom of that time, or worthy of the pulling of hair and the gnashing of teeth that happens every time a story comes up about guns being destroyed.
For fucks sake /k/ behaved the same way when it found out that mercs were constantly tossing their guns overboard rather than deal with import restrictions, when they were working guard duty on ships passing through pirate waters.
Should I send the letter to the DC or district office?
>>30297728
>I'm not sentimental about anything, therefore nobody should be!
Thanks, Spergatha
>>30297743
I'd say it depends if your rep is currently in DC or not, but a phone call would be more effective in my opinion.
Text I used:
Congresswoman Comstock,
Please Oppose or Amend the 2017 NDAA (which the Senate just passed), which includes the destruction of many historic surplus M1911 pistols:
(1) REQUIRED TRANSFER.—Not later than 90 days after the date of the enactment of this Act, and subject to paragraphs (3) and (4), the Secretary of the Army shall transfer to Rock Island Arsenal all excess firearms, related spare parts and components, small arms ammunition, and ammunition components currently stored at Defense Distribution Depot, Anniston, Alabama, that are no longer actively issued for military service.
(2) REPURPOSING AND REUSE.—The items specified for transfer under paragraph (1) shall be ***melted*** and repurposed for military use as determined by the Secretary of the Army, including—
(A) the re-forging of new firearms or their components; and
(B) force protection barriers and security bollards.
(3) TRANSFER FOR HISTORICAL PURPOSES.—Notwithstanding paragraphs (1) and (2), the Secretary may transfer up to 2,000 surplus caliber .45 M1911/M1911A1 pistols and 2,000 M–14 Rifles to a military museum for display and preservation.
(4) ITEMS EXEMPT FROM TRANSFER.—M–1 Garand and caliber .22 rimfire rifles are not subject to the transfer requirement under paragraph (1).
(b) Navy transfers.—Section 40728 of title 36, United States Code, is amended by adding at the end the following new subsection:
Such destruction of history should not be tolerated, and these pistols should be transferred to the CMP to be sold to new custodians of history and collectors alike.
Thank you for your time,
4chinsAnon /k/ommando
>>30297588
Don't even say this in jest, man
>>30294900
Good goy. Buying old guns that last is bad for the economy.
>>30297817
Good luck. She's pretty bro-tier when it comes to guns.
Emailed my Rep. Here's hoping they listen /k/ommrades.
>>30297756
>ignoring the part where I said I'm sentimental about MY grandfather's pocket watch
Just not your grandfather's.
>>30297831
Thank you. After these recent events, I've come to decide that military guns aren't a hobby worth losing our society over.
>>30297762
Okay I'll try to call tomorrow.
>>30297867
>recent events
>Thread about surplus pre-WWII 1911s
Kay.
>>30295502
You are literally saying that enfields, mosins , garands, mausers, springfields,etc. are unsafe to fire, you must be literally retarded
>>30296374
Per gross ton (g.t.) 2,240 lbs.
Its over we lost. Go buy your shovels and pipe.
Who would have thought a fag killing fags would be the end of us
>1911s get ground up a melted down
>trump uses the steel to build the wall
>the wall shoots illegals trying to smuggle drugs in
please let this happen
>>30297988
I don't care about illegals.
I don't care about Trump's wall.
All I want are guns to be saved, or if they're already destroyed by the time Trump is elected, made into new guns to be sold to civilians(keyword-civilians).
>>30294839
>destroying something that could easily be flipped for a profit to US citizens so they can pay off some of the nat'l debt or line their own pockets
US politics cannot into personal finance
>>30298119
Yeah right, if congress and the rest of the government cared so much about the national debt they'd take a pay cut for a year at least and put it towards that.
>>30295094
Most shooters aren't mentally ill and most mentally ill people will never shoot someone, mental health has nothing to do with it.
$1000+ each for shot out junk makes them nothing but more crap to add to the collections of some crazed old rich hoarder. If fucking CMP was actually adhering to their mission and, you know, getting this guns into the hands of folks cheap to promote shooting I might actually have a fuck to spare-as it is, meh.
>>30298383
$1000 isn't that unreasonable for a USGI 1911. The average price is around $1200-$1600. Plus these aren;t pistols that you would want to go out to the range and blow 500 rounds through twice a month. They did not figure out how to fully harden 1911 slides until 1947 and their estimated life is about 10,000 rounds. These are just nice pieces of history to pull out and look out, wondering where it's been and who carried it etc. Nothing wrong with shooting them a little bit, as I wouldnt see the point in owning a gun you couldnt fire. But maybe 2 boxes max a year on special occasions.
>>30298441
If you were to replace the slide, the frame and barrel would be fine to shoot on a regular basis and you could keep the slide mint?
>>30298457
> un-matching a USGI weapon
get off this fucking site right now and go back to CoD.
>>30298383
>I don't know how CMP pricing works
The fact you could get a $1500 garand from them for $600 last year says you're a total faggot.
>>30298457
If you replaced all that, it would basically would be a brand new pistol.
I have a 1933 Colt that I shoot somewhat often. I have a shock buffer installed though so the force pushing back on the slide lugs isn't as intense. It's a cheap way to help reduce the chance that your slide will get fucked.
>>30295918
This behavior is annoying. Please stop it you lazy fuck.
>>30297768
I copy/pasted with some slight variations. I mentioned that I'm active infantry in the Army, and that it would be a great disservice to current and prior service personnel to see these pieces of history, our history, destroyed
Fuckers
>>30298591
I sent something similar, except I stated that only soldiers and officers of the law have the training and professionalism necessary to safely handle weapons of war such as these.
>>30298633
You evil fuck
>>30298633
Did this already pass?
>>30298489
Not to mention they'll ship it straight to your door.
>>30298489
The 1911s were NEVER going to be even remotely affordable for what they were.
>>30296809
>>30298584
Got my question answered. Sorry but it works.
Faggots.
Did anyone even remotely believe this would go through on Obama's watch? It's like expecting the mountain of Garands in Korea to be let back anytime soon. It slipped through the first time, but now the repub traitor "Puffy Face" McCain has sealed their fate and the latest shooting is the coup de grace.
>>30298693
>trust me, I'm a retard with no reasoning skills or sources to back up my bullshit
>>30298741
>Did anyone even remotely believe this would go through on Obama's watch?
It did last year fucktard.
>>30299553
Hey fuckface, did you miss "It slipped through the first time"? That reading thing is just too fucking hard, huh?
>>30294839
this cant be allowed to be destroyed
>>30299579
Sorry, read the first sentence and went bind with rage.
Read the rest of your post after the red faded only realize I had already replied.
Gomenme
>>30294966
There's no possible way it's cheaper to scrap them than sell for a profit...
I'm lazy but want to help.
Anybody got a template for a letter I can email to my rep but just change the name.
>>30299614
Indeed-this is a purely ideological maneuver. Selling the 1911s for 10 something million is literally like the average slob picking up a penny to the government, while the propaganda value of melting guns down is infinite. Don't forget the Army "Cover Your Ass" angle either-the brass don't want the slightest chance of bad PR, just look at how the traitor disgraced General Petraeus just started his own gun control organization.
>>30294900
>1980s buddy cop comedy gun
>21st Century
>>30295268
No matter what the condition, there would still be collector value in a weapon of war, especially a weapon so iconic to U.S. history.
>>30295302
But are there enough SCARS to go around? If a unit wants some .308 rifles, and you have some that aren't being used, why wait for the more expensive ones when you have serviceable M14s from the 50s laying around?
>>30299844
>serviceable M14
Because a serviceable M14 doesnt fit what they want a 308 for.
did this already pass through? Isn't it too late?
> Latest action: 06/14/2016 Passed Senate with amendments by Yea-Nay Vote. 85 - 13. Record Vote Number: 98. (text: CR 6/15/2016 S4011-4255) (All Actions)
I'm confused as fuck right now, do I actually send a message to my representative or not?
>>30295394
Every fucking time.
I have an early m1903 that has been shot to shit, rebarrelled, and used in service yet again, then sporterized and used for range and hunting after that. Is there less of a guarantee that the receiver will hold up the next time I shoot it? Of course. Is it likely to fail? I highly doubt it, unless someone is stupid and puts some incorrect ammunition in it. Is it likely to cause me serious injury in the rare chance of a failure? Even less likely. Yet, every single time you see people talking about them on a forum, someone has to go all DANGER DANGER. Yes, new guns are manufactured better and have better track records, but there is always a risk with shooting, yet you don't see people talking about that every single time shooting is brought up.
>>30300502
Passed Senate, not the House, so yes, send emails and such still.
>>30300536
thanks
God dammit, why!? We were so close!
>>30297768
So when using the form to email them, do we mark this as "Defense" or "Sporting"?
>>30300597
Still hasn't passed the House, afaik, still time.
Sent an email to my rep, mentioned how not only will collectors and historians want these but that easier access to these kinds of guns will allow parents to teach their children to respect them and not use them to harm people.
Back to the front.
>>30301272
thanks for your contribution to the cause anon. I strongly urge all of you who haven't to write your reps and tell them how you feel about this. Do not wait, they could try to rush this through the house as they did with the senate
>>30302232
Been urging my dad and all my friends to send emails
MFW my congressman is Tim Ryan. If I send him a letter the commie fucker will put me on the no fly list.
>>30298475
You lack reading comprehension, I said keep the slide mint, meaning setting the slide off and not using it, but keeping it so that you can put it back on at any time. Learn to pay attention you schmuck.
>Sponsor: Sen. McCain, John [R-AZ]
Once a traitor, always a traitor.
>>30294839
>shall be melted and repurposed for military use
What are they going to reuse it as? Metal "artwork"?
>>30298475
>> un-matching a USGI weapon
You're a dumbass if you think most of these guns aren't already frankenguns.
>>30294839
Already happened here in Canada. Browning HP's sent to the melting pot. 10000 I think. Sucks, but theres nothing that can be done. These 1911's are going to heaven now.
>>30304911
>heaven
Perfectly good guns being smelted sounds more like hell to me.
Also, your post number was 3 numbers away from ending in 1911.
>>30298441
>They did not figure out how to fully harden 1911 slides until 1947
lol
They knew how, they just didn't bother, in order to keep costs low.
Pre-WW2 1911s are hardened.
>>30304911
Don't forget those beautiful C1A1's
>>30294839
Do you really want these cheap problem solvas ending up in the hands of violent "youths"?
Which would be a better issue to classify my email under, Social Sciences and History, or Armed Forces?
>>30304976
>melting down FAL's of any variety
I think I'm gonna be sick.
>>30304980
No you dongle, we just want them preserved by giving them to the CMP or to musuems or something.
Anything but being smelted.
>>30294839
pls no
>>30294839
Yeah orvcall your rps and ask them to stop any and all gun control bills.
You know something that matters a shit ton more.
Fucking moron. These pistols destruction is important to you not the whole ball of wax. Get real, this is trivial, our right to arms is at stake and your worried about some pistols that are shot out getting burned.
Instead write congress, paper and email and call (202) 224-3121
Then go join the goa and the nra and all lical gun rights groups, and fund them.
Then go teach a no guns how to shoot, then teach a girl, a kid and a homosexual, then offer your time some more then write more letters and emails, then call again.
>>30305468
You're an idiot if you think this doesn't matter. It's a slippery slope from keeping surplus guns from the public to keeping "military style" guns from the public.
Anything against guns in any way matters.
To the top with ye.
Shitty template here:
>>30297768
Adjust to your needs.
Find your chucklefuck here: http://www.house.gov/representatives/find/
(If you dont already know)
>Pic related
>>30295328
Forgot to include a bit on how to close and lock fire doors during an active shooter so everyone else gets trapped inside.
>>30297588
can you imagine gangs of wild 1911s roaming the roads?
>>30304959
WWI slides were actually not hardened at all believe it or not. Only until the pistol was revised to the A1 configuration did spot hardened slides come into existence. 1948 was the first year that fully hardened slides appeared.
https://www.1911forum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=512185
Up
Bump, needs more xposure
>>30294839
>rep is Mike Rogers R-AL
I think I have a chance
>>30297791
>1911A1s
>old guns that last
>as opposed to Glocks
I'm not even the bait you're responding to, but you really should take off these nostalgia glasses. Right now.
>>30311195
I mean, if we're talking about long, long term storage I guess all steel 1911s have a reduced chance of the frame weakening with time provided both are slathered with grease and kept in a warehouse...
>>30311249
Oh yeah, probably. Then again, Gen 1s still work the same as they used to, but we'll see in another half century.
But if he's actually shooting both of the things... nah.
>>30308615
That's complete fuddlore.
Hardening was a well understood process, and there's nothing special about 1911 slides that makes them unable to be hardened.
>>30294839
what the fuck is wrong with john McCain has he gone completely senile.
>>30311336
Calling something fuddlore doesnt make it any less true. Its not that they didnt know how to harden things, its that they didnt have a method devised that could control the amount of warpage that would occur during the treatment. They didnt really care if they cracked since slides were viewed as being expendable. That's why contracts given to USGI manufacturers included thousands of replacement slides to be made along with the complete pistols.
>>30312397
>its that they didnt have a method devised that could control the amount of warpage that would occur during the treatment
Oh really?
Explain why that was only a problem for 1911 slides, and not other guns of the time.
M1 Garands were hardened.
Then explain why they were able to harden the front 1/3 of the slide in WW2, but doing the rest was just impossible.
Then explain why they didn't just use case hardening if they had no other solution, which had been around long before WW2.
While you're at it, explain how swords were hardened for the last several hundred years without them warping.
>>30312470
>M1 Garands were hardened
It may have escaped you for some reason, but there are roughly 30 years of technological development between the first issued 1911s and the first issued Garands.
>>30311195
nostalgia glasses are better than safety goggles m8.
>>30297588
>>30297894
>recent events being Orlando
>>30312689
We're talking about WW2, kiddo
>>30313860
>>30308615
>WWI slides were actually not hardened at all believe it or not.
No we are not, mongoloid.
>>30313871
WW1 1911s were hardened.
You can't explain literally anything that I posted here.
>>30312470
>>30313885
They were not hardened because it was not felt it was needed.
After 30 years of abuse it was noticed some areas were wearing out so in the future those areas were hardened.
>>30313927
>They were not hardened because it was not felt it was needed.
several posts earlier...
>>its that they didnt have a method devised that could control the amount of warpage that would occur during the treatment
You have no idea what the fuck you're talking about.
This is a waste of my time.
>>30313946
I'm not the ealier guy
Is it possible to email/write/call and request one? I mean, if they're just going to destroy them maybe they could send them to people (through the proper stuff of course)?
I guess it's just wishful thinking but a man can hope, right?
>>30295268
Shit, if each one was sold for $150 max, I would buy multiple to fix up.
