Is 9mm the best concealed carry cartridge?
>>30222477
Yes
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yup.
>>30222483
>/threading yourself
Don't be a faggot.
>>30222477
No. 40S&W is. 40S&W is designed specifically for max power in minimum volume. The default factory loads are very, very close to the maximum SAAMI pressures for the casing - the velocity is so high that the bullet's trajectory actually sways a bit; they're known for slightly inferior accuracy in target-shooting competitions (without downloaded projectiles.) The .40 caliber size is less about the bullet and more about making the casing bigger; more space, more powder, more power. It does allow for a bigger expanding bullet, though - and still has superior magazine capacity compared to .45 Auto.
Mind you, however, that this is technically angels dancing on the head of a pin. Damn near anything that puts lead downrage will do its job, if you do yours and put it in the right spot. The reason stuff like 40S&W exists is because many people believe that when you're fighting for your life you should take every tiny, slender advantage you can, because they all add up. I figure they're right, but if you just aim and shoot better with a different pistol/cartridge combo, that counts for a lot more than a few more inches of penetration or a few hundred FPS either way.
>>30222477
no. it's the cheapest and most ubiquitous centerfire cartridge. it's a good compromise of capacity and muzzle energy, but it is by no means the best.
>>30222477
Anyone who answers this question with a yes or no is a retarded child.
Like almost everything, 9mm has pros and cons, which an individual needs to weigh in order to determine what's best for them.
45 or bust, don't listen to those other faggots that carry 17 rounds of 9 mil thinking they are getting into firefights every time they go out.
>>30222477
Shhvorteee faifvvvuh
All Heil hitter
when bubba, jamal or pedro gets his head vaporized his buddies aren't going to stick around to see if you're OUT already.
>>30222629
Kek not getting a rail gun
>>30222629
I want to see the muzzle flash that thing generates.
Cannot shoot through a windshield
>>30222629
It's my dream to have a semi-automatic magazine-fed .50 caliber handgun.
Unfortunately according to other guys on here, just sawing off a standard rifle would make the spent casings not cycle properly.
>>30222477
>Look at this image
>Look at .45
>TFW can't wait to try shooting my friend's 1911 this weekend
Bought ammo for it the other day. Never really realized just how big .45 is until then.
![IMG_5642[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/S4dRqyI.jpg "IMG_5642[1].jpg")
>>30223480
45 is a cuck cartridge. report back once you shoot a real gun.
>>30222477
Handgun cartridges are all pretty much equal in killing ability. It's pretty much whatever you want to carry.
>>30223605
>report back once you shoot a real gun.
Fuck you, I have.
>>30222524
youre a faggot
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The best concealed carry round, is the one you will carry. Most 9mm pistols are too large to be comfortably carried in your average liberal pc community. Honestly any center fire cartridge you are comfortable shooting, is going to be reliably deadly if and when you need it. Training is more valuable than knock down power and i can prove it with two words: shot placement. A .25 auto is more dangerous in my hands than any compression loaded, half inch wide, expensive to shoot, elephant pistol, in yours.
>9mm on left
>10mm on right
>Glock 29 just a little bigger than Glock 26
I like knowing I can stop a minivan
>>30222545
why I carry .40
people love to meme '.40 small and weak'
but if you take a look at the ballistics charts, there is just no denying it.
also
>hydrostatic shock
.40 does it 9mm doesn't
>>30222545
Would rather have cheaper, more abundant ammo to train with and less recoil over a negligible increase in terminal wounding capacity.
9mm > .40
>>30226214
>hydrostatic shock
hasn't been proven to cause any real damage, the proven wounding mechanism from pistol rounds is caused by the permanent cavity.
>>30222545
nigga are you retarded
>>30223783
/tg/? Really nigger?
>>30222477
no. 4-bore is.
>>30222477
.40 Strong & Wonderful master race
>>30227229
Get on my level, pleb
>>30223405
You mean a desert eagle?
(50 cal does not equal 50bmg)
>>30226136
What kind of velocities does 10mm really get out of a barrel the same size as the cartridge? And I dunno about stopping vehicles with that babby gun even in 10mm.
>>30226371
>cheaper,
If you buy your ammo online like someone like you should, its only 40 dollars more expensive per 1000 rounds. Also better penetration through barriers and bone is not negligible at all.
>>30226136
ha ha no, 9mm left 357 mag. right
>>30222477
>Not carrying the 10mm master race
Why even own a gun?
>>30227075
>ad hominem
Thanks for voluntarily losing the argument like a good little cuck.
>>30223605
LOL as if that's any better.
I CC a 600NE. You even lift pussy faggot?
According to raw statistics, .380 is.
Modern defensive 380 is nearly identical to 9mm at defensive ranges.
>>30227870
9mm guns are small enought, with more than decent capacity and more powerful.
I think that 9mm is better for most situations, only for deep conceal .380acp can be necessary.
9mm is the best compromise between .38acp and .40SW, which are also great for CC.
>>30222477
I use 38 or .357 9mm lacks stopping power.
>>30222483
>Yes
>/thread
no, because in states with limited mag capacity it's better to just carry a .45 or larger caliber.
there are also other subjective variables where stating one particular caliber is "best" as a blanket statement is by and large incorrect.
>>30222477
It's the most common, so yes
>>30226371
>need more ammo to train with
Not sure about you, but pistols aren't difficult for me. I've been putting <4 inch holes in anything under 20 yards since I can remember. Unless you're competition shooting, this shouldn't be a factor, even if you're doing realistic scenario drills.
>>30226371
.40 is more abundant than sold out 9mm all over my city, I don't know what you're talking about. 9mm sells like hotcakes, and any major pistol round is going to be popular enough to get your hands on if you buy online anyway.
>>30227643
Pretty sure you lost there m80, unless you can refute his picture.
>>30227643
Different anon, I don't give a fuck about your argument, I was just astonished that anyone from /k/ goes on /tg/
>>30229613
Bruh 40k is /k/ af.
>not dreaming of being a space marine removing xeno scum while shooting at the range.
>>30227478
About 50 fps less than a glock 20 and about 20-30 less ft/lbs at the muzzle
>>30222477
If you're not carrying 10mm you're a pussy with glass wrists
>>30222477
no
10mm or 960 Rowland are
>>30229634
Are there monopoly threads? What about yahtzee?
>>30222477
it doesn't matter
just get something rimfire and between .32 and 10mm
>>30222477
I use .357. I don't want to take chances.
>>30230104
>10mm
>960 Rowland
I think you mean 460 Rowland there, friend.
>>30222558
>>30226116
These.
.40 is my preference. 9mm and .45 are tied for second- depends if I want power or control.
My mother is 5'1" and 105 pounds- I convinced her to get a .380 for her cc. I don't think anyone here could honestly say my mother should be carrying a .50 DE.
Its all about what you feel comfortable with- both ergonomics, overall weight and recoil. Penetration means nothing if you can't hit shit.
9mm is just the most common and pretty cheap so yeah I guess
>>30230459
.357 what?
>>30230784
>960 RoLOLand....
>this round requires 3 compensatory Comps..
>One Magazine and you need to rebuild your firearm cause of battering.
>25mm Pistol kek..
>>30229613
>I was just astonished that anyone from /k/ goes on /tg/
I can spam Warhammer shit on /k/ if you prefer.
>>30227075
>/tg/? Really nigger?
I don't remember posting that Garand picture on /tg/ ever. You know other anons can venture to other boards of their own free will, too. It's not just me.
>>30226136
That's far too large for 10mm.
You're stupid or a liar. Possibly both.
>>30226381
>>30226381
except when you get shot in the chest by a .40 S&W hollowpoint and then die of a brain contusion
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/244801855_Hollow-point_ammunition_and_handguns_The_potential_for_large_temporary_cavities
above is from: "Hollow-point ammunition and handguns: The potential for large temporary cavities, Fernando Spencer Netto, Dylan Pannell, Homer C. Tien, Injury Extra (2008) 39, 50–52."
>>30233338
Fuddlore detected. Muh hydrostatic shock. kys
>>30233338
Did you read your source?
>>30233338
I don't think you read that.
>>30222545
if you're shot in the heart it doesnt really matter right?
>>30223751
Pretty much this. I've been busy for a while, but for the life of me I can't understand why this shit came back to this board. I've only seen one good article with actual statistical analysis applied to real-world results, but it says the same thing the ER doc giving the TED talk says: There's long guns, and there's handguns, and handguns are pretty much all the same:
>http://www.buckeyefirearms.org/node/7866
>>30226371
If you really believed that, you'd be carrying .22 or .25.
>>30222545
lol
>>30227587
>One is wider than the other
Fool .357 is a 9mm projectile.
400 corbon or suck a dick. A 45 necked down to a 40 what's not to like
