Anons, it seems like no one is making A2 clones anymore. I really want one for a range toy, and detachable carry handles give me deadwood.
What do?
>>30207746
>it seems like no one is making A2 clones anymore
Build one yourself.
It doesn't have to be 110% perfectly accurate, I'm not anal enough to care about minor differences in the lower.
>>30207767
I have no experience at all with building ARs, I think I could handle the lower, but the barrel fitting seems daunting
>>30207775
Building an AR is babby tier easy, if you spend about 30 minutes reading up about it online you can assemble one in your living room.
As for A2 components, is Del-Ton any good? I was looking at using their components for an A2 upper.
>>30207775
>I have no experience at all with building ARs
Neither did I, until I built an A2 clone.
>>30207786
I've used the hand guards and they're ok.
>>30207775
For that, you need an bench vise & torque wrench as well as an AR-15 vise block (Magpul BEV Block--$50). Otherwise, you need a set of punches and you're best served getting a roll pin starter (hollowed out) & roll pin punch (dimpled) as well. Some of the pins can be driven via regular punches or a C-clamp.
If you don't want to fuck around with it, maybe your LGS has a used A2 style AR-15.
>>30207746
A1 clone
http://www.fulton-armory.com/fariflecal556mmupruniversalprecisionrifle-3-2-2-7-2.aspx
C7 clone
http://www.dpmsinc.com/A1-LITE-20_ep_109-1.html
A2 clone
http://www.dpmsinc.com/A2-CLASSIC_ep_104-1.html
A3 clone
http://www.dpmsinc.com/A3-CLASSIC_ep_105-1.html
I'm big into retro AR's, you can also get different carbines of yesteryear too.
http://www.fulton-armory.com/fariflecal556mmupruniversalprecisionrifle-3-2-2-7.aspx
>>30207746
Detachable carry handles are not A2's. They are A3. A2 has a carry handle molded into the reciever
>>30207901
That is one fucked up "A1" clone
Buahmaster still does.
![WP_20160525_002[2].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/5IQzxAO.jpg "WP_20160525_002[2].jpg")
>>30208280
It really is, and you could still manage to build a 1:1 A1 clone for hundreds less than what they're asking for that abortion.
>>30207775
The barrel fitting is already done for you by the barrel extension, which is pre-mounted on any AR barrel you get. Part of the point of the M16/AR design was to make assembly and maintenance easy with minimum training, unlike a Garand or M14 that required a real gunsmith to assemble.
Definitely read up on how to do it, you do need some special tools and there are some tricky issues with incompatible parts you have to be aware of (i.e. M4 ramped receiver must have an M4 ramped barrel).
One option you should consider is getting a complete barreled upper. That eliminates most of the tricky stuff, may save money, and you can probably find exactly what you want.
>>30207746
Oberland Arms in Germany makes pretty cool A2 clones called OA-15.
Planning on buying one.
>>30207901
>Those twist rates
>>30208280
>>30208335
To be fair the biggest noticeable difference is the barrel twist rate and even then it keeps the correct profile. Arguably all the other "clones" aren't 1 to 1 either but OP already said he wanted to avoid building and there's not a lot of A1's in production.
>>30208335
Parts list for yours?
![WP_20160604_015[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/m9EH1Pp.jpg "WP_20160604_015[1].jpg")
>>30208398
A blind man could see that's not a good A1 clone. The lower is A2, the upper doesn't have an FA, the dust cover is A2, the safety is A2, the 3-prong is pre-A1...it's a fucking mess, and a $1300 one at that.
>>30208406
It's all over the place, I've gotten components from a dozen different places and don't get me started on the fiasco I had with the NDS A1 upper.
Upper; NDS refinished to A1 gray
Lower; McKay Enterprises A1
Furniture; Surplus from ebay
BCG; PSA
Dust cover; A1 repro from RifleSupply
Safety; Surplus from WhataCountry
Charging handle; NDS
Barrel; Green Mountain
FCG; PSA mil-spec
FA; DPMS
Rearsight; DPMS
Slipring assembly; Surplus from AR15sport
this is literally like the 5th A2 thread we've had in two days. Pay the fuck attention OP.
I built my own. Ar15sport.com sells complete A2 uppers as well. I bought my stripped upper and A2 sight set from them.
fucking handfeed you retards everything, it's tiring.
>>30207775
>building upper
>daunting
KEK. My first AR i stuffed the upper between two blocks of wood on a vice and wrenched the fuck out of the barrel. Not the best plan, if you have a torque wrench its nice because 35lb (the minimum) is hardly anything. If you get a barrel with the sight attached already (windham sells them) it's stupid easy, all you do is torque the barrel on and then pin the gas tube in. E-Z
Good job on having taste though, I love my A2
>>30208414
I don't know if 90% of the people that come through my shop would be able to tell the difference between an M16, M16A1, M16A1E1, C7, I can guarantee that just because you have a boner for retro stuff doesn't mean most people could tell.
If we're going to be honest you and I both know that most people see a triangular handguard and a fixed stock is a "Vietnam M16" to every other simple fucker that exists. OP couldn't even tell the difference between an A2 and A3.
>>30207746
FN 15.
>>30208468
I sure hope this is bait.
>>30208462
That doesn't make them any less ignorant, those mentioned features any less obvious than the twist rate, or the fact Fulton shat out an A2/SP-1 abomination any less hilarious.
>>30208475
Are there any other current production A1 rifles (bar the upcoming Colts, which will inevitably be $2400) or lookalikes?
>>30208474
lol that is bigtown in mesquite Tx
>>30207746
>A2
>Detachable
A2 is fixed son. You want an A3 or A4
>>30208484
No, and the funniest part about the Colt run is that they're only doing 1500 per Vietnam-era model. This is, I think, going to encompass the Model-60X rifles and one or two carbines, the latter of which for sure going include the XM-177. By far the Model 603/A1 and the XM-177 have the most market appeal and demand, but they instead give them the same production run as the fucking 601 and 605 which only appeal to collectors. Said collectors have, for the most part, already made clones courtesy of parts from NDS. Quote me on this; the 603 and XM-177 will be snatched up like hotcakes, while all the others languish when they're not being bought and immediately flipped by GB kikes.
Colt is incapable of making nonretarded decisions.
>>30208507
>detachable carry handles give me deadwood
>deadwood
>dead
>wood
OP doesn't want a detachable carry handle.
>>30208501
Fellow Mesquite bro?
>>30208511
Damnit, I hadn't read that they were limited production models. Troy is making XM177's but without a pony on the side it won't be as demanded.
I just want some 608's or 607's, yknow? Why can't we have some goofy retro AR's? I thought that the 603 and 610's were confirmed for production?
>>30208511
Yes they are.
Quick question, something has stuck in my mind lately. Pawn shop I go to that's mostly a gun store with some guitars and jewelry bolted on had a proprietor die recently, sadly. Dude had a great collection, and now they're putting certain pieces up for sale.
I have a boner for triangular handguards and A1's. They have one there that's missing BCG, gas tube, trigger, trigger guard, and a couple other things. Pre-90's, not full auto, but old, built from companies I forget the name of, start with an N or an M or whatever, might call up and ask.
For like $600 for an old, beat up thing, a fsb that needs gassing and pinning, and a lot of parts installed, that any good? Would you take that deal? All I have are some 6920s and I have a desire for an A1 screaming at me, so I don't know.
Also, what's NDS? Something in the back of my head is saying that's what this was probably built off of, sounds familiar.
>>30207775
>I have no experience at all with building ARs
Can you tie your shoes? Can you cook an egg?
Congratulations, you have all the skills necessary to assemble an AR15.
>>30208630
>Troy is making XM177's but without a pony on the side it won't be as demanded.
They're GAU-5s, which are close to XM-177s but not quite. They're still close enough that the appeal of a 'Nam carbine ("Just like the one used in Platoon :DDD") will make them sell, but the real kicker is that attractive $1200 pricetag and a good amount of goodies thrown in with it. Bonus is the faux-third hole in the lower. think that all will make them in demand, pony or not.
>I just want some 608's or 607's, yknow?
I can -maybe- see Colt doing the 607, but I'll eat my shoe if they do the 608.
> I thought that the 603 and 610's were confirmed for production?
Only models confirmed are the two we saw in that blurry-as-fuck booth photo, because apparently people still use flip-phones to take pictures and can't get any closer than 10 feet to a totally obscured display rack. The carbine is likely the XM-177, and the full-sized -might- be a 603, but since Colt was retarded and displayed their left sides we can't tell for sure.
![WP_20160525_003[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/1psU1U6.jpg "WP_20160525_003[1].jpg")
>>30208653
>They have one there that's missing BCG
Easily replaced, the A1 BCG set the standard and it remained as the mil-spec BCG to this day.
>Gas tube
Ditto, just get a rifle-length gas tube and you're set.
>trigger, trigger guard,
See above.
Honestly, I'd go for it. The hardest parts to get for an A1 build are the receivers, and if it has those, you're on Easy Street.
>Also, what's NDS?
Company that makes AR and AK components, but they're renowned for their retro AR receivers. They make top-notch stuff that are in-spec with the originals, the only downside is their backorder log is so fucking huge that it will literally take 3/4 of a year for them to get your order to you. Did the rifle in question have NDS on the upper, as seen here?
>>30208733
Can't recall, I'd have to go back in and look at it. I was more stunned at the first time being able to hold and sight-down an A1 and finally realize that I was right I would love the furniture much more, but again, I recall him saying the make was something that started with an N or an M, and NDS makes sense.
Thanks, man. I think I might work on price and try and get it.
Seriously, though, that shop is a /k/ommando dream. Sometimes it's dumb, but it generally keeps a shelf of 1911s, shelf of Glocks, and all sorts of odd stuff and old milsurp. There's rifles from countries I can't name hanging off the roof in every direction, mortars, gattling guns, etc.
Really, not to go on an off-subject rant, but that was a great day. I finally got to fingerfuck a Delta Elite, a Carcano, couple revolvers, see a P38 and a Nambu, handle a half-assembled A1, and do the HK-slap for the first time. Good shop. And then the next one I went to, I saw a Python. That was an oddly packed day.
>>30207746
>Anons, it seems like no one is making A2 clones anymore.
http://www.fulton-armory.com/fariflecal556mmupruniversalprecisionrifle-3-2-2-7.aspx
>>30208808
https://rockriverarms.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=category.display&category_id=226
You can call and change out what you want, for example I don't like the stainless on an A2/A4.
http://www.fulton-armory.com/fariflecal556mmupruniversalprecisionrifle-3-2-2-3-1.aspx
>>30208451
>Wrenched the fuck out of the barrel
Ill do you one better. I had a buddy hold the upper while I used tape wrapped channel locks to twist the barrel nut as far as i could. Then I used a hammer and punch to turn it one more tooth over
>>30207786
Their a2 upper is gtg
>>30207901
These are so bad I struggle to believe it wasnt in part intentional
>>30209062
Jesus Christmas. I'm helping a buddy do his first build and he literally just asked me if "we absolutely need a vice."
I told him yes but apparently smarter men than i have done it without the bare minimum in required tools
>>30209062
Exactly how strong is this buddy?
>>30207746
stag arms makes one model 5 with detachable carry handle
>>30209395
He was a big guy
>>30209395
Most people are happy when they can lift 1-2-3-4, but he can lift 2-3.5-5-6, so I wasn't too worried.
>>30209373
Even if its sarcasm, I wouldnt exactly call us smart. Cheap and impatient maybe
>>30209395
I should also mention that I did use a vice when I used the hammer and punch
>>30208323
...and so does Stag Arms (Model 4). It seems OP really did not look hard enough.
>>30207746
http://www.dpmsinc.com/A2-CLASSIC_ep_104-1.html
are dpms any good?
>>30208191
You suck at reading comprehension.
>>30207775
It's not daunting, I did it the first time the other day.
I literally bolted my ACOG onto the upper for leverage and stood on it with all my weight at the top of the stairs while using my AR wrench to torque the barrel nut on.
And it worked.
OP here again, went to bed (third shift)
Thanks for all the links, folks. I'd seen the DPMS one before, but if you click the order link, the price is different and it's also out of stock.
Last question: What twist rate should I go for? Again, I'm not looking for 100% historical accuracy, so if a different twist rate is going to work better for more common commercial ammo, I'd rather go with that.
>>30209587
>>30209462
Can you niggers not read. OP does NOT want a carry handle.
>>30211138
If you want to shoot commercial ammo, go with 1:9. It will stabilize all but the heaviest bullets and will work just fine with the lighter m193 as well
>>30211222
Thanks, wasn't there a /k/ graphic that explained twist rates and bullet weights?
>>30211369
I'm not sure, but I'm sure CTD or some other site has an explanation.
The big three are 1:12, 1:9, and 1:7.
1:12 is what the old a1 rifles used. It was intended to stabilize the 55 grain m193, and does a damn good job of that, but is not intended for bullets that are any heavier, and as such you don't really see it anymore
1:9 is the most commie commercial profile, stabilizes a wide range of bullets
1:7 is for your heavier hand loads and match bullets.
Heavier bullets need more spin to be stabilized than light bullets. Too much spin can actually impact accuracy. Probably due to the Magnus effect or something, I'm not sure on that.
>>30211537
*most common
I don't think the Russians had anything to do with it
>>30211369
1/7 shoots 55-62 grain just fine aand will handle the heavy stuff.
Out to 300 yards you will not notice a difference between 1/7 or 1/9 shooting quality 55-62gr
Beyond that the bullets light weight is affecting it more than twistrate.
Just get a 1/7 unless you want to shoot sub 55 varmint rounds.
>>30208474
What, pray tell, is wrong with the FN?
>>30211597
It has a removable carry handle....
I love old A2, A1 and pre-A1 rifles.
I also like the lot of a lot of the old Colt Sporter rifles.
Anyone here own a transferable Lightning Link?
>>30211597
It's not an a2.
There's nothing wrong with the fn 15, provided you aren't paying over $800 for it.
>>30211537
Thanks for the info, I'm interested in the ar15sport A2 uppers, but the only one they have in stock is the 1:8 barrel.
On that topic, there seems to be a ton of sites that "carry" what I'm looking for, but are out of stock, which is super aggravating.
>>30211622
I didn't realize this was an issue for the OP. Most people I talk to say A2 as in "20in barrel and full length handguards". Disregard.
There are plenty of lightly used colt match HBAR's on gunbroker right now, does OP's rifle really need to be NEW?
>>30207901
>1x9 twist
>Not 1x7
The shit man?
>>30212277
Shits all sorts of fucked. Not to mention the pice
>>30207901
>original triangular handguard
>>30211869
>>30208451
Any more A2 pics?
>>30208451
>this is literally like the 5th A2 thread we've had in two days. Pay the fuck attention OP.
Lol I think I made the first one a few days ago using >>30207758 this pic. I'm glad the A2 love has spread.
>>30209467
For you.
>>30211622
>It has a removable carry handle....
Idk why, but it ruins the aesthetic so much, can someone smarter than me explain why?
>>30212651
There is something very wholesome, clean and simple about the A2 that appeals to me.
Like, I love old A1 rifles and all those old Colt Commando carbines, what have you, and I dig some of the modern stuff, particularly what you can do with polymer (CAV-15 lower comes to mind), but there's just something which is so comfortably "standard" about it, nothing is really fancy about it, it's a rifle you just pick up and it works.
>>30213183
Doesn't look as clean, you get that seam, as well as those big nubs for fastening it.
Also, I don't know how common this is, but I've heard that sometimes the detachable handle can pop off when using it as an actual carryhandle.
Maybe it's stories based on old beat and abused M4s and M16A4s inna sandbox, but supposedly, it's a thing.
>>30213482
>I love old A1 rifles
I'm thinking of adding triangle handguards to an A2 so I can scratch that 'nam nostalgia, maybe even put on an A1 stock.
>>30213482
>but I've heard that sometimes the detachable handle can pop off when using it as an actual carryhandle.
No one uses it as a carry handle. If anything the nubs probably loosened from firing. Heard of people loosing optics.
>>30213715
Well yeah, the whole "The M16 is not a suitcase!" and whatever, but the drill faggot can't be watching you 24/7, it's bound to happen.
>>30212651
sure, I got a couple more for you
>>30208475
how do you even see twist rate from a picture of a gun?
>>30214455
>>30214480
How do you like that sling?
>>30214624
it's nice, definately stays in place a bit better then my leather slings for prone shooting, doesn't want to slide down my bicep quite so much. it's also nice that I don't have to dress it regularly like my leather slings, it's pretty indestructible, well worth the money in my opinion.
>>30211644
Sure, right here. That'll be $0.00, please.
>>30214732
Is it a turner saddlery? I was thinking of picking a m1907 replica sling.
>>30208449
dude make a wiki or something for us old farts with gray hair. it has to be an FAQ with you.
when i was a kid, this was a "machine gun." cowboys&indians didnt have as much relevance as g.i. joe.
/too young for viet nam too old for dessert storm
>>30207775
>barrel fitting
No, you're just tightening the barrel. You don't even need to headspapce, the barrel extension takes care of that.
If it's your first build definitely use a torque wrench though.
>>30207786
Just put together a 20 inch AR from a Del ton kit that is gonna be m16a4 inspired. So far it seems like a pretty solid kit so from my experience they are alright.
>>30211869
Gander mountain has a ton for like $1199 but they are all 16" dissipators. Actually very sexy with the rifle length handguards. They also have a shrubmaster one for like $699
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fX5RoaYqQ04
The guy who made it all happen.
I asked in a thread last night but i cant find it now, so i'll see if anybody here can help me. I know where I can get a 100% ar lower with no serial numbers. If I were to obtain one and assemble a full on rifle, what kind of trouble would i be facing if I got caught with it? I love my guns but I don't want to get in any kind of trouble that could keep me from becoming a game warden some day. Is it worth it? I live in California for reference.
>>30216191
You could just say you made it from an 80% lower. THey have literally no way to prove you didnt.
>oh wait
>California
No idea. They'd probably arrest you for hate speech while raping your neighbors dog.
>>30216191
you're a dumb nigger i replied, search the fucking threads or your history, tl;dr, don't be a stupid nigger and it's illegal as fuck but you might be able to pull it off. Granted you aren't stupid, but you're dumb enough to ask, so, you probably shouldn't
>>30216727
I think they just passed a law in California that you do need a SN on 80% lowers now.
Bump
I'm interested in an A2 as well.
Would go well with my original M1 Garand.
>>30216808
del ton kit make sure u get a lightweight 20"
>>30216808
>I didn't read the thread, spoonfeed me: The post
Build it yourself , go to many of the links posted here for complete rifles, or buy a complete upper and a complete lower. Jesus Christ, google fucking exists.
>>30209589
No. You should stay away from them. They were bought by Freedom Group and have gone down hill every since. Fulton Armory and AR15Sport would be a better alternative to building a A2. Both of them have accurate complete A2 uppers. Delton also sells complete A2 uppers as well.
Anyone here made one of those M203 builds? Either with a 39mm flaregun or an actual 40mm Destructive Device?
>>30214841
I said transferable
Get back to me when you have registered one, I don't want someone to shoot my dog.
