Browning Hi Power
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Let's get a Browning Hi Power thread going.
>post Hi Powers
>discuss Hi Powers
>Kareens, FMs and FEGs also welcome to participate
Pic related is my current stable.
are hi powers any good? They look silly.
Does anyone here prefer the recoil spring that Wolff Gunsprings produces? I am trying one out in one of my Hi Powers right now, and it's supposed to be "factory standard" poundage, but it sure feels like it's a lot heavier than factory standard, and much harder to rack the slide. Also, it's a BITCH to put the guiderod into the gun with the Wolff spring, since it is physically longer. Here's one pictured with a factory recoil spring, both still in their packaging, unused.
>>30205163
they're the perfect nine for 1911 fans
>>30205184
>it sure feels like it's a lot heavier than factory standard
>it is physically longer
>that pic
how old is the Hi Power?
the springs get shorter and weaker over many years.
>>30205163
They're good pistols, I think for a lot of the same reasons that people like CZ 75's.
>heavy steel frame absorbs a lot of recoil, makes it easy to shoot
>good trigger, which can be made into a great trigger with minor gunsmithing
>good sights on newer variants
>reliable design
>easy to work on and maintain
>widespread availability and inexpense of surplus pistols
>great value for an all steel pistol with this level of fit and finish
>>30205243
>that picture
You are looking at TWO factory new recoil springs, both in their original packaging. The one on top is a Browning part. The one on bottom is a Wolff part. The Wolff spring literally is that much longer, even though they claim it's the factory-spec'd weight.
>>30205324
They're both 9mm recoil springs. The Wolff one is just labeled as 9mm factory standard/.40 reduced power. Note it says "17 lbs." The .40 caliber factory standard would be 20 lbs.
http://www.midwayusa.com/product/3415354314/wolff-recoil-spring-browning-hi-power
Even though these parts in >>30205184 look totally different in design, supposedly, according to Wolff Gunsprings, this is an apples-to-apples comparison. I just thought someone else might have experience with it. I usually just get my recoil springs from this company because they make a wide variety of springs for a wide variety of weapons that may be hard to find springs for, but this is a case that has really given me pause in regard to what the fuck they are producing.
>>30205376
the coils have about the same number of links though. it is unusual.
>>30205425
Hmm, you're right. The Wolff spring has 2 more coils, 35 vs. 33, but that's not enough to make up for the difference in length.
>>30205843
If I want a modern produced Hi Power, what company and model should I go with?
>>30206113
I'd get a Browning standard with fixed sights
>>30205151
Isn't this the gun Serpico decided to use before he got shot in the face?
>>30206113
If you live in the US, Browning (technically FN, but when they mark it for sale in the US, they use the Browning name) is the only company that makes new Hi Powers. It's not like with 1911's where you have a million options. FEG, FM, and Kareen are really only going to be available as used guns.
As far as modern features, FN/Browning's Hi Powers since about 1988 have had a firing pin block, but there hasn't been a whole lot of updates to the design since the 30s.
Has anybody ever carried a Hi-Power in a shoulder holster? I'm wondering how far out the back of my jacket the barrel will protrude like an armpit erection.
>>30206287
Hi Powers fit most any 1911 holster.
I've got a Galco Jackass that has a more diagonal cant than the usual horizontal styles. it's one of my best holsters as far as printing is concerned.
>>30206333
Is your holster originally intended for a 1911?
>>30206363
yes.
I've got leather 1911 pancake holsters that fit the BHP perfectly too.
How come railed BHPs are so hard to find? Tons of people make railed 1911s are there's a mildly autistic reaction but when you mention rails on a BHP it's like HOLY SHIT CRUCIFY HIM
>>30206113
>>30206212
Don't forget Nighthawk too. Super pricey though.
http://www.nighthawkcustom.com/pistols/browning-hi-power
>>30206403
>Made in Belgium
They're still manufactured by FN. Nighthawk Custom just "mods" them.
>>30206390
I have never seen a single railed Hi Power.
>>30206390
similar question: why don't Glocks ever have tangent sights?
>>30206333
Holy shit. Why did I never realize this? This opens up a whole new world of possibilities just with my own holster selection.
>>30206418
Oh word. I thought they were makin' em.
>>30205151
Why would you bother with a hi power when you can have a cz
>>30206427
Me neither, I have seen people like weld/screw/clamp/whateverthefuck rails on them but never one that was forged that way from the start like tons and tons of 1911s are.
>>30206479
user preference.
if you don't care for double action the only real differences are subtle ones of ergonomics and aesthetics
>>30206508
Ah forgot hp was single stack
>>30206519
Think you mean single action. It's double stack.
Why not both?
>>30206549
13 rounds with double stack pretty underwhelming
>>30206560
Nice
>>30206573
Ok... but.... it's still not a single stack.
>>30206578
I'm aware.
>>30206573
a 13 round single stack would be quite a feat. just how big did you think BHPs were?
Oh, and if you're a capacity whore they make 15 round mags that don't suck
>>30206560 was intended for >>30206479, in case that wasn't obvious.
I prefer Hi Powers, in general, but I like CZ 75's too. I wouldn't say that it's pure personal preference, but the differences are minor for me.
The CZ 75 has a maximum of a 17 round flush magazine capacity. The Hi Power has 15 round flush magazines. Both of these are with Mec Gar "extended capacity" magazines, but still, only 2 rounds difference when the frame of the CZ 75 is physically taller in vertical height. You give up some capacity, but you gain concealability, if that's a factor at all. In either case, both are definitely high capacity pistols.
The CZ 75 can have a good trigger, but in general, I find that the single action pull has a lot of creep before the break. I recently picked up a pre-B with a nice and crisp single action break, but another pre-B I tried out had just as much creep as the new 75B's, so I think it must depend on the gun. With Hi Powers, I have never shot one that had a bad trigger. The Mark III triggers do tend to be just a little heavier due to the fact that you have an extra spring involved in the firing system, but once you take out the magazine safety, it lightens up just enough to be good, and even if a pound heavier than the CZ trigger pull, the break is much more crisp, which I think counts for more in shooting.
Neither gun has a very short trigger reset, but neither is particularly long either. Both were originally designed to have non-drop-free magazines, but both can be easily modified to have drop free magazines. I would say that I like the balance of the Hi Power a little more than the CZ, but it's close with either one. The ergonomics are about the same. True, the CZ 75 has a DA/SA firing system and second strike capability, but I only ever shoot it single action, and don't incorporate second strikes into my malfunction drills.
>>30206628
You sound like a mad poorfag go shove that outdated piece of crap up your pussy. Compacts hold more rounds then your blunderbust. Get a 1911 or get real gun fudd
>>30206675
>>30206640
My CZ has the omega trigger system which I must say the single action is flawless. Haven't shot any other cz other than my own though so can't comment on the non omega triggers.
I love my BHP and I really miss carrying it because it's too hot to CC it right now. Once late Fall/early Winter hits I'll be CCing my BHP daily again.
>>30206705
I'm not saying that the CZ's trigger is bad. These are nuanced differences in terms of exactly how the guns compare to each other.
>>30206604
Obviously not bitch, see >>30206519
>>30206560
>>30206479
Why are people on this board such faggots?
>>30206898
I was trying to find a positive about the bhp but now that I know it's double stack with only measly 13 it's a shit handgun and belongs in a museum. I'm sorry you can't afford a non ww2 era firearm dipshit
>>30206906
Was wondering that myself. I saw in some other thread this dude posing with dildos and Xbox's. Fucker prob had more dongs than he did guns.
>>30206935
Do 15 round flush-fitting magazines not exist?
>>30206946
15 rounds isn't enough to kill someone in 9mm retard
>>30206946
The only people that still use bhp are pussies like Canada and other liberal shitholes.
>>30206906
>>30206946
>single line rollmark characteristic of many contract Mark II's from the 80s and 90s
>tangent sight and ring hammer characteristic of guns from pre-1960s
>external extractor introduced in the 1960s
>lacquered wood grips characteristic of 80s/90s/00s and later
>really unusual high polish finish
This is a really weird set of features. Obviously a custom job, but how he got the tangent sight onto what appears to be a much later production slide is really bothering me.
>>30206951
15 rounds standard for 9mm handguns. Glock 19, Sig P226, Beretta 92fs - all of these are common service pistols with 9mm, 15-round magazine capacity that are used by millions of people across the globe. You're a dumbass.
>>30206935
>can't afford
lol
Can't afford what, Glocks? Oh shit $500 so much money.
I have a Glock on my hip right now.
Better post anime pictures to make you feel better about yourself.
>>30206945
lol if that was the cop thread, that was me. I just think it's a funny random reply picture.
>>30206560
>guns
>donald trump
>american dollars
>anime
You may be a nigger, but at least you are my kind of nigger.
>>30206986
>american dollars
What are those fuckin exotic where you live? Fuck off to your anti-freedom shithole.
>>30206974
>sarcasm
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your head
>>30206974
I bet you think Kentucky windage is a feature too
>>30206982
Post pics of your overpriced glawk on your hip boy
>>30206974
>>30206993
How you know you've won an argument on 4chan.
>>30206994
sukadik
>>30207009
What am I looking at here?
>>30207017
...
What the fuck do you think? You asked for the Glock on my hip. It's a 30SF in a Supertuck.
Fucking noguns idiotic eurofag who is wrong and won't admit it. I need to stop arguing with fuckwits on this site.
>>30207009
Get this plastic garbage out of my Hi Power thread.
>>30207025
Looks like you have a tuck holster in-between the outside of your and your belt. Why can't you just take a normal picture fatty?
>>30207036
I actually agree with you, I kind of fucking hate the thing. I am currently deciding on a new carry piece to buy. It will definitely be a full sized pistol.
>>30207025
Also what am I wrong about the bhp being outdated because it is. You guys are worse than 1911 fags because at least they have fun and don't take their guns too seriously.
>>30207067
>>30207060
I took out my phone, pulled my shirt out of the way, turned around and took a picture in 5 seconds. I'm not gonna fucking model it for you, fuckboi. I don't wanna take a thousand fucking pictures until I take one that suits you. It's inside my pants, my belt is just reinforced with kydex so it is a lot stiffer than the waistband of my pants.
I assure you I am wearing the holster properly. You can shut the fuck up now and go jack off to your little chinese cartoons.
>>30207080
It's a 9mm pistol. It shoots bullets out of the front. The fuck is outdated about that? Bitching about ounces here and there or the fact that it has 13 or 15 rounds or whatever who gives a shit, they're all the fucking same. It's a gun and it works.
>>30207081
I think you should go jerk off and go to bed an actual discussion about bhp being obsolete is too much for your brain to handle right now.
>>30207104
>I bet this guy thinks Delta and Seals still carry SAA and Garands
>>30207080
>i only carry super serious guns for a super serious gentleman like myself
Pic related is you.
>>30207124
You must be a black crimes matter person.
>>30207118
>>30207112
Ok yeah it has a detachable double stack magazine and it fires 9mm Luger. The fuck is outdated about that? Literally the most recently manufactured handguns are the same. Bro until you stop being a euro faggot who's never even touched a gun before your opinion is going to continue to mean jack shit.
Also... "SAA and Garands" what the fuck are you talking about man? Just stop. You have no idea what you're talking about.
>>30207145
I'm sorry about hurting your feelings about your old poor peoples gun.
>>30207164
Hurting my feelings. lol here we are back at the start. Just scroll up and read everything again starting at >>30206974, where you got your ass handed to you.
>>30207164
>posts picture of cc permit
>not of holding a gun
you proved nothing
>>30207170
Glock 19 isnt a full sized handgun stopped reading there.
>>30207179
I already posted two of my guns in this thread. Was just proving my American citizenship.
>>30207187
oh. didn't scroll up cause don't care
you seem to care a lot tho
>>30207193
No I read the part where you compared the bhp with special mags to a Glock 19 a compact handgun I just stopped reading there. I'm at work talking to you retards has helped pass the time. Thank you
Fuck hi power the shittiest gun ever.
Shit sights, shit weight, shit magazine safety, shit magazine release, shit slide stop, shit history and value, shit aesthetic, shit extractor that breaks easily.
Should i go on?
>>30207209
OMG COMPACT COMPACT COMPACT
COMPACT IS A SIZE CLASS
IT SAYS SO ON GLOCK'S WEBSITE
BHP is the same height as G19 (5 inches) and it's less than an inch longer. Try again another day.
Just as a future tip: it doesn't matter what a manufacturer calls a gun: compact, sub-compact, whatever, the label doesn't change its size.
Getting so butt hurt about 2 rounds or 3/4 of an inch is pretty fuckin petty. Far from outdated.
Dude I don't even like Hi Powers that much, you're just a fucking idiot so I feel compelled to correct you.
>>30207280
I bet you will defend the hipoint next fudd summer fag
>>30207280
>3/4 of an inch
The length difference between most full sized and compact guns is literally a half inch.
>>30207221
>literal shit post
could your grapes be any sourer?
>>30207344
>Sour grapes
I wouldn't say that its shit if i didnt have first hand experience with it.
Bought one off AIM a month ago a /k/'s advice.
amazing pistol, currently my favorite handgun, possibly my favorite firearm in general. Butter smooth slide and it fits perfectly in my hand, it even came with a free slightly used Hogue grip!
>>30207487
That poor gun
My wartime Pistole 640(b) made in 1944
>>30205151
No pic, but my father has a Pistole 640(b) that my grandfather got. It's got the waffenamt and everything, an authentic gun.
>canadian faggot laws forced us to pin the magazine at 10 rounds
>>30207549
WaA
>>30207549
>>30207555
MEIN NEGER!
>>30207530
Its fine, there's a layer of paint ontop that took all the holster wear, there's no scratches into the metal.
I could take it off pretty easily but I like it that way, it gives it character.
>>30207487
One of the Israeli ones?
That has at least 2x as much finish on it as mine does.
How do i know what year my gun was made in?
>>30207621
look up serial the number there are various databases online to help with this
>>30206418
rather not have the firing pin safety and close to 3000 for HP is crazy, wish RIA or smoebody make budget orgional HP
Inglis masterrace
>>30207570
Poor gun because of the grips you put on it.
My FEG
That parkerization that looks so nice in the picture was absolute shit, flaking off everywhere. Thinking of getting it refinished real soon.
>>30207335
Of height. We are arguing height. Height = magazine capacity. They are the same height. 5 inches. Reading comprehension. Look at the thread genius.
>>30208392
No you aren't.
If there's any sense in your argument, it is that the BHP is a fullsize handgun with the portability of a glock 19. It's actually better.
And as for the capacity, I can swear that I've seen some 17 round FLUSH magazines for the BHP.
>>30205184
I put 18.5lb extra power Wolff's in my BHP 9mm, and 22lb extra power springs in my .40 BHP, plus their extra power firing pin springs & mag springs.
They make the slide stiff to rack (but you get used to that) but they slow down the action and decrease the frame impact. If you're reloading very light loads this isn't a good idea, but moderate to full power loads have been perfectly reliable with stiffer springs.
I upgraded my springs because the brass was launching more than 6ft away and I got a vibe that the action was a bit too violent.
Watching where your brass lands is an easy way to judge the state of your recoil spring. If the brass is landing beyond 6-8ft (according to Wolff) then you need new or stronger springs.
My Makarov was launching shells into orbit until I installed put the stiffest springs Wolff makes. It brought the brass back into a normal range and the gun seemed much "happier" (i.e. it didn't feel like it was trying to beat itself to death with every shot.)
Wolff gunsprings are great. Just avoid their Power-rib mainsprings for revolvers. They act a bit oddly and will occasionally yield a light primer strike in double action.
>>30206212
Those look like Craig Spegel grips. Spegel is a genius. I have those on both my BHP's. If you have manlet hands they are like sex.
>>30206390
>when you mention rails on a BHP it's like HOLY SHIT CRUCIFY HIM
lol
The BHP is perhaps the most beautiful and aesthetically balanced semi-auto pistol ever made. Rails would be an abomination. It would be like trying to put rails on a Colt Python.
>>30207843
Do FEGs take standard BHP mags? I recently bought one with three mags marked as hi power magazines. Two of them work fine but one jams the mag release.
The grips on mine are fugly too, will BHP grips work on a FEG?
>>30206974
>>30208584
The BHP has a better grip for manlet hands than nearly any modern double-stacked 9mm because Browning/Saive were going for ergonomics first. They weren't designing the whole grip around "muh round capacity," like Glock "compacts" with the ergonomics of a chopped 2x4. A couple rounds is a small price to pay.
>>30208734
FEGs should readily take BHP mags. What's the make of the bad mag? If it's Promag, just throw it out, they're garbage.
Had one, it would not reliably feed jhp ammo. Sold it, got a Beretta 92 that ate everything, never looked back. It was 100% with fmj though.
>>30208584
>no you aren't
Fuck you, yes I am. They are both 5 inches tall and that's what I was arguing. "No you're not" pretentious asshole trying to tell me what I said.
>>30208734
Yea... they should work for both of them. They're functionally the same as a genuine BHP. It's probably like what >>30208887 said. Bad Mag.
>>30207621
If it's more recent production, you can look up the serial number range on Browning's website.
>>30209039
From what I've read, you need a more recent production Mark II or Mark III FN Hi Power if you want to feed hollow points. The original Hi Power and FEG Hi Powers have humped feed ramps - yes, humped. It sounds weird, but go place a straight edged object along the feed ramp of your Hi Power and see for yourself.
FEG faggot here.
Got it from Classic Firearms. Would buy again. Just got two 15 round Mecgar mags in the mail.
>>30207571
Got an Israeli one thats pre-1963 but has updated parts and reparked. Really need to get it to the range.
My feg
This gun looks like a CZ-75 short rail rip-off.
Argentina HiPower reporting in
It needs a new sear because hammer push off
>>30212296
Why do kids get so buttflustered about Hi Powers. Even the CZ threads don't get this much shitposting.
>>30213582
glockfags hate it for similar reasons as the 1911, but it doesn't have a fanbase of
>muh america
>muh 45 stoppan powah
>muh aftermarket
Bump for nighttime /k/`
>>30212281
Nice, thinking about grabbing a FEG after I buy a legit Hi-Power
Soooooo
How sacrilegious is it to get a Mk3 cut for a Mk1 stock.
>>30206935
Hi powers are on the more expensive side to buy new, averaging 1,000$ and being a deal/ish @800
>>30207221
Implying there aren't several models with different sights you just cant afford.
Weight lmao its a really skinny pistol most often recommended for women or tiny handed shooters its not a big heavu framed gun like say a m9 or any sig keep in mind k flavor of the month cz75 is heavy as allfuck
Magazine safety was a request from the military to the designers, threads instructions and videos for meyhods of removing it have been available for more time than you've been alive and is often the first and one of the cheapest mods done to these guns.
Implying there isn't an ambidextrous extended safety on all current manufactured models lol.
Mag release, boy you'll bitch about anything huh. They drop free after removal of mag safety, two for one benefits. Amd shit thw fuck up about oh it needs mods, implying most fucks don't "mod" their guns with night sights etc.
Slide stop is the shit actually and is super useful for takedown, you wouldn't know since you've never field stripped one.
History, hahahahahaha hahahaha haaaahaahahaha have you seen the list of countries that use this beast? Only the cz 75 having been redesigned and manufactured in a different "cheaper" way can beat it.
Value, nigga what do you mean? A reliable gun for cost? Fuckin check. A purchade that retains it's value? Check.
Aesthetic, sorry you can't put pearl or ivory grips on your cock block brand glock 17 frag.
Extractor, you mad the extractor on your old as fuck surplus beat to shit bargain for what you got failed? That's what you get for buying surplus anything and expecting to not have to do any work on it boyo.
Should I go on buddy. Pal. Chief?
>>30207460
Too cheap and broke to buy a new one eh, you know you can buy a new one with all modern amenities right?
>>30205269
>same reason people like CZ75s
CZ is the premier hi-power clone.
But there are some models that improve on the design, but the newer models (like FN's HP Mark III - FN being the original manufacturer of the JMB designed in USA hi-power, the FN Mark III is standard issue among many first world Armies)
>>30216821
>hi-power clone.
>>30216863
I have it from an inside source they actually purchase surp HPs, weld out the stamps and stamp them with CZ.
They are actually just restamped HPs.
100% True story bro.
It's my second favorite pistol...
>>30216821
Holy shit
First off, FN never produced the 100% made in the US Hi-Power because Browning fucking died in 1926 before ever completing the design
Dieudonne Saive, a Belgian who would later design the FAL, completed the pistol and FN began manufacture in 1935
There never was a completely 100% American made and designed Hi-Power, at least not one that would be even remotely recognized as the HP
Second, the CZ-75 has some similarities to the Hi-Power but it's not a clone. It's DA/SA where the HP is SA, holds more rounds, and the slide rides inside the frame. FEG made Hi-Power clones but CZ never did
I fucking hate this thing. 25 rounds at 15yds.
How are the Arcus pistols? They so cheap i want one.
>>30217506
>>Second, the CZ-75 has some similarities to the Hi-Power but it's not a clone. It's DA/SA where the HP is SA, holds more rounds, and the slide rides inside the frame.
It's basically an updated Hi Power, though.
>>30206390
Because rails are for faggots like James Yeager who can't drive a stick. I bet you would take a cherry red 69 Camaro SS and put spinners and ground effects on it, huh?
Don't touch a BHP, you're not worthy of such a gun, pleb.
>>30217659
In what way? Because both of them have a slide that tapers near the barrel? It's not made by the same company, the trigger works in a completely different manner, the grip and slide have different profiles. It uses the Browning-style cam-locked system, but so does almost every semi-automatic pistol made nowadays that isn't straight blowback. It's no more an updated Hi-Power than the S&W Model 59 is, or any tilting-barrel semi-automatic pistol.
>>30217752
If those things make it not a Hi Power, then the Hi Power isn't a Hi Power either.
>trigger works completely differently
The original Hi Power was striker-fired.
>slide rails ride inside the frame
Like the original Hi Power.
>capacity is different
Original Hi Power design held 15 rounds standard.
>>30217791
You know, I actually agree with you there. That's why I said the original Hi-Power design would by no means even be recognized as a Hi-Power if it were ever produced.
God, a striker-fired Hi-Power would be so fucking weird though
>>30217857
Supposedly, it was based on a scaled-up version of the 1910/1922. Since it was designed by John Browning, we could be pretty confident in it having a great trigger, although Colt's Hi Power would have still been better to shoot.
>>30217683
what is the big deal about people who drive a manual? i swear you guys are the biggest faggots.
>>30217867
As much as I love the BHP, it would be neat to see the original 1926 schematic reach production
>>30217980
Ah, a faggot is detected. Real men drive stick, bro. Automatics are for girls and old ladies.
She's nothing too special, but I'm still happy I have her.
>>30205151
Just got my Kareen back from a shop after having is cerakoted.
I'm happy with the results.
>>30218532
>>30218552
Looks good. Were you the one from a past thread who had the two tone Kareen that was really beat up?
>>30218562
Yep. This is a huge improvement.
>>30217683
This is what I mean. As soon as someone mentions Hi Powers and rails in the same sentence all the demons come out. Just wondering why. I mean the purist autists get mildly annoyed at a 1911 with a rail and shrug and go "eh." But a BHP: "ANTICHRIST BACK TO HELL WHERE YOU BELONG." I just want more options for a SAO, double-stack, metal-framed 9mm with a rail and a frame mounted thumb safety and Sig is all I can find. CZ doesn't make railed SAOs, at least not that I have found on the internet yet.
>>30219588
Not to trigger you more than you already have been, but why do you want it to be SAO so badly?
>>30219588
there are lots of CZ clones with SAO options and rails. Tanfoglio, Sphinx, even Jericho.
>>30219588
>CZ doesn't make railed SAOs
It's literally pointless to take away the DA functionality of a DA/SA/SAO pistol like the CZ 75. The action can be tuned up very nicely regardless of whether it has a DA/SA sear or an SAO sear.
>>30219588
By the way, if you want a railed BHP because you think that after you remove the magazine disconnect it'll have a better trigger than a DA/SA, I have bad news. Even without the disconnect they have a really long reset, like the full travel of the trigger almost.
>>30219588
Nice Hitler dubs.
I'm a die-hard BHP fan, I adore them beyond all reason, and I think they're the sexiest damn pistols ever, aesthetically speaking...
...but I actually agree with you. I'd love to see a Hi Power with an extended dustcover and a rail, plus a threaded barrel.
Stick a 20-round MecGar mag in there, and bam. You've got the gun the SAS probably wished it had back in the day. Not to mention a damn near ideal home defense pistol.
>>30219883
I dunno, isn't the barrel bushing hand fit to the barrel before it's silver soldered in? Wouldn't threading the barrel and adding a suppressor cause problems there, or would it not wear the bushing faster?
Does anyone have any experience with the Interarms ones that Buds is selling real cheap right now?
>>30219950
Good point, and a fair question, I'm honestly not sure.
Bar-Sto does make replacement barrels for the BHP, but I don't know if they're "drop-in" or how much fitting they require. I guess I figured making one a little longer and threading it wouldn't be that hard.
As an aside, I've heard something about Browning-style actions in general having trouble with suppressors, since the barrel needs to tilt against the weight of the can to unlock, or something...
>>30206479
Because Hi Powers were used in World War 2, Vietnam, and Rhodesia where-as the CZ was only used in Rhodesia, and only then it was the short rail model which costs 2 grand.
>>30220200
I've got no experience with Bud's, nor with that lot of pistols in particular, but damn, that seems like a good price.
The one thing that puts me off is that they don't specify the exact model. The one in the picture is a Mk.III, which for treefiddy would be a steal. AIM has Mk.II's for 440 right now, by way of comparison.
But based on the item description and reviews, it sounds like they might be really rough... I don't know how to advise you, anon. If it were me, I'd call Bud's and ask them if they could pick out a Mk.III for me, and I'd snap it up.
>>30220289
Yeah I've seen people say that too, though straight blowbacks and rotating barrels have their suppressor problems too. Nothing a clever engineer can't overcome I guess.
>>30219656
>>30219740
>>30219793
I just like it, damn. I like the 1911 manual of arms. Everyone chill.
>>30219726
>tanfoglio
>sphinx
>jericho
:-/
Gross.
>>30220597
>I just like it, damn. I like the 1911 manual of arms. Everyone chill.
Which the CZ 75 already has.
>>30220805
he's got nothing against the CZ, he just want one with both SAO trigger and a tactical accessory rail
>>30220846
Have you ever handled a CZ 75?
Anyone know if there are still people selling the FM Detective slides?
>>30220854
yes, they're very nice.
I like Hi Powers a little better but they handle very similarly
>>30222544
I would love to know...
>>30220200
I bought one of the interarms imports.
It is a FN graded fair condition.
It is well worn but it functions well. had slight rust in the grip screws. finish was worn off in several places. The right side of the rear sight was worn down a bit.
I paid 350 for it and I am very happy I went for it.
>>30207221
You should shoot one sometime.
>>30206390
Also the stupid purist shit aside, the answer is because only one company ever made a railed HP frame and it didn't exactly take off. Couple that with Browning/fns total lack of interest in modernizing and further than the sfs or MKIII and the average HP owner not buying the gun for all of it's sweet tacticool features in the first place and you get your answer.rail adapters exist and there have been a few custom jobs but there's no real demand.
South African guy made polymer HP frames too if you wanna look it up
>>30205151
I saw a Chilean Hi-Power for $450 at the local pawn, but FUCK the milling on that thing was garbage. TERRIBLE tooling marks at the front of the slide. It really ruined the whole pistol.
>>30225474
You can get a Belgian Hi Power for $450.
>>30217791
Sure, if that version was ever put into production
>>30225597
That's a very strange goalpost.
>>30219740
DA/SA is pure personal preference
SAO (almost)loses no functionality over DA because very few people utilize second strike.rather that learning the DA to SA pull you learn to swipe a safety while having the consistency of a SA or striker trigger.
BHP fanboys are literally the worst. In this thread you literally see one compared to glock 19.
>>30225632
Riiiggghhhhtttt..... So you've never handled a CZ 75? Because if you had, you'd know that the manual of arms is exactly the same as a 1911 except there's one extra feature you don't have to use. You don't have to learn DA to SA. You don't have to ever use the DA pull on a CZ 75. Charge the weapon and put the safety on with the hammer back. Done. No need to neuter the sear just because you didn't realize that.
>>30225646
The only shitposting I've seen has been perpetrated by one or two very upset and very jealous Eurochildren.
>>30220289
>'ve heard something about Browning-style actions in general having trouble with suppressors
Thats what boosters are for. Blowback doesn't have that issue but it doesn't suppress as well either. The action of the Beretta 90 series doesn't require a booster since the barrel doesn't tilt, but it's still a locked system. Rotating barrels don't play well with suppressor for obvious reasons unless you want an adapter with a detent
>>30225675
Yeah idk why eurofags love the BHP since it's American roots.
>>30225691
>since it's American roots.
It doesn't have any American roots. Even the name is just a translation of the original French name for the gun, "Grande Puissance."
>>30225699
I forgot Browning was French!
>>30225699
Except the initial design was by an american named... Browning I think it was?
>>30225691
>idk why eurofags love the BHP
>>30225699
>It doesn't have any American roots
you are both fucking stupid.
the prototype was developed by the American John Moses Browning to compete for a French military contract, and the final version developed by the Belgian Deudonne Saive after Browning's death.
it has both American and European roots.
>>30225699
>BHP fanboys are this retarded
>>30225712
>>30225715
>>30225724
>>30225735
>having an American involved in the design of a European weapon makes it American :^)
By that logic, the atom bomb has Jewish/German roots. You dumb fucking idiots.
>>30225724
You are retarded
>>30225699
Designed by a Mormon from Utah and a Belgian means it's French since they bought it from FN? Okay then.
>>30225675
Yes actually,i had a huge thing for CZ style guns for years.And the cz75 is one example of one gun with a DA/SA setup which in your case would effectively be used as a SAO. I'm talking about the overall functionality of DA/SA guns and strikers as well since they are often used to badly argue against SAO.
Thats where that personal preference comes in. As to why he would want a SAO specifically, that may come down to rules if he were looking to compete, or for the simplification of the trigger setup itself potentially leading to a better out of the box trigger.
Kinda surprised the BHP trigger is as decent as it is though considering the work it has to do. Its stiff, but I wouldn't say it's actually bad.
>>30225745
no u
>>30225740
Let me just use my atom bomb on you
>>30225747
Because the Hi Power is a striker-fired upscale of the FN 1910/22 with a slide that rides internal to the frame rails and a 15 round standard cap magazine. Right. When will stupid people realize that Browning was only one member of the team that designed this pistol?
>>30225747
they speak French in Belgium.
the GP35 was actually not adopted by the French. they selected a domestic model 1935 pistol in a weaker cartridge that eventually became the basis for the SIG P210.
>>30225724
>careful to not use any of Browning's American patents in the design
What are these American roots you speak of, specifically?
>>30225740
/discussion
>>30225812
can you not read or something?
the fact that the prototype was designed by an American.
>>30225740
he didn't design the bomb, only the theory behind it.
by your analogy, every firearm ever developed only has Chinese roots.
>>30225883
...using all his European patents, which for the most part never saw light of day in America until after WWII and the Browning Arms company was formed for the purpose of importing these European pistols to the US. You don't understand what the word "root" means, do you?
>dat german atom bomb, tho
>>30225900
He did work on its design, you history illiterate. It's a perfect analogy for why you are stupid.
>>30206906
newfag fuck off
>>30225911
http://www.doug-long.com/einstein.htm
>>30225907
Let me get this straight,
it was designed by an American for the French, and made in Belgium, so it has no American roots?
Is that right?
>>30219588
Because it's literally retarded. Rails on a pistol like a bhp is like using a straw to drink some really nice scotch. You want to do that shit, order a mixed drink.
>>30205546
Well, a thinner spring over a longer distance will have the same force.
Just cut it to length.
>>30225883
The distinctive profile of the BHP is visible even in the original patent. That sloping slide on the prototype is really nice looking and the low-profile recessed adjustable sight would have been a great feature. With that single-stacked magazine I bet the grip would have been exquisite and made it the ultimate manlet pistol.
Diudonne Saive did a fine job on the final version. Still, it's a shame that the original patent gun wasn't ever put into production.
>>30227649
Don't cut the spring. What matters is the force needed for compression, and unless Wolff screwed up (unlikely) it should be correct. Springs that are manufactured and tempered differently may have different length, while still performing the same. It's not hard to install with practice;I do it all the time.
If you are really bothered by it then buy a factory replacement spring from Browning.
>>30225992
It's like putting rails on a Colt Python. If you want a tacticool 9mm pistol, great, but the BHP isn't it. You have plenty of choices among modern guns.
>>30225956
Claiming that something has American roots implies that it has any history of being used or even known in America. The Hi Power has no American roots. Having one American on the design team doesn't make it an American gun.
>>30225938
Not sure what you think you're proving with this.
>>30207487
>Bought one off AIM a month ago a /k/'s advice.
How do you like it so far? I have been looking at these on GB, just waiting for one that is priced reasonably and is not a POS.
>>30225477
>You can get a Belgian Hi Power for $450.
I have not been able to find a Belgian HP for anywhere near that. Got a link?
>>30229101
Not him, but I see them creep into surplus catalogs for that price or below. You gotta order them within 30 minutes or they're all gone and listed, by complete assholes, on gunbroker for 700+
My FEG in my Galco Double Time holster. Concealed surprisingly well with minimal actual effort. I imagine if I put some efort into it I could make it disappear. May get an actual dedicated IWB holster that sits lower though. Got a good deal on the double time used.
>inb4 belt comments
I was waiting for my new belt to be delivered. I have that now. 5.11 Instructors belt.
>>30229101
buy it now pitted version for $395
http://www.gunbroker.com/item/563803188
better condition buy it now for $415
http://www.gunbroker.com/item/563808568
Do leather 1911 holsters work with Hi-Powers?
>>30229365
yes
>>30229033
you've got a pretty fucking arbitrary definition of roots that I can't find in any dictionary.
Einstein did not design the bomb, at all, it is not a German/Jewish weapon. Browning and Saive designed the Hi Power. It is an American/Belgian weapon.
http://www.amnh.org/exhibitions/einstein/peace-and-war/the-manhattan-project/
>>30207487
>>30229075
Seconding this question, how is it? Thinking about it for a first handgun, I turn 21 in August
>>30229075
>>30229753
My first pistol was a GP35 I got from AIM a couple years ago. I love it, but then I'm a sentimental chap... ya never forget your first, bruh. Also I was already infatuated with Hi Powers in general.
Mine is a Mk.II. The finish was rough as hell, the gripstraps were bare. I had it parkerized.
It came in perfect mechanical working order. I shot up maybe a couple-few hundred rounds, then I detail stripped it and replaced the springs. I also replaced a couple small parts.
Looks like AIM is asking a little more than what's going on GB, but their lot might be a little better condition. Some sellers on GB don't even specify what model or series they're selling.
>>30229129
You are way off base, m8.
>>30229075
On Gunbroker, you can get surplus Hi Powers for as low as $415 regularly, and you can actually see pictures of what you're buying, so there's no reason to buy from places like AIM or Buds. Yes, they are going to be beat to crap for that amount, but still priced appropriately.
>>30229151
>buy it now
>buy it now
Don't be deterred by the fact that a gun is selling in an auction format. The majority of these surplus guns sell right at asking price with 1 bid on the auction. Just get your bid in early and probably no one will bid against you. It's an unspoken rule of buying surplus pistols off an auction site in a market that's flooded with them.
>>30229687
>muh definitions
You're a dumbass, m8. "Roots" means the beginning, the heritage. Just because present day "Browning Arms Company" is based in Morgan, Utah doesn't mean that Hi Powers started out being produced there. It's a European gun designed for a European government agency's military trials, using European patents (avoiding the use of American patents), originally only produced and marketed in Europe, only ever really popular in Europe, only used by militaries and police in Europe, and STILL EVEN TODAY, is not produced outside of Europe.
I wish the slide cuts in the Hi-Power caught on in other guns besides the CZ75
>>30230319
>John Moses Browning had nothing to do with the Browning Hi Power
>>30232233
>John Moses Browning
>representing all of Murrica
You're a dumbass.
>>30232475
He was the most American who ever lived
>>30230319
>>30230319
Next thing we know, you'll be lying about the 1911 also.
>>30234933
If you want to claim that Canada is outside of Europe, first you're going to have to explain why they have European queens on their money.
>>30234985
Just because the facts don't jive with your mistaken understanding of the Hi Power's history doesn't mean I'm "lying" for repeating them.
