Why is everyone so gay for this gun ? I jsut don't see the appeal ?
is it because of MGS ?
>>30200609
Are you referring to the Colt Commando or the AR-15 in general?
>>30200661
the Commando
It's your best friend in a tunnel
Not your ear's best friend though
>>30200689
Ultra-compact rifles (or submachine guns as the manufacturers like to call them) were a pretty novel idea at the time, having rifle power in a submachine gun like package was pretty cool.
>>30200727
>what is a moderator
>>30200739
Not really a suppressor mr.atf
>>30200739
They really only knock a couple dB off which is pretty insignificant compared to the report of 5.56.
The moderators were originally included to help the short rifles reliably cycle.
>>30200760
>The moderators were originally included to help the short rifles reliably cycle
sauce? most sources say they were designed to reduce the sound-report to that of a 20" barrel.
>>30200770
Looks like we were both correct.
From AR Platform Firearms & Calibers
By Martin R Mason
>>30200609
it's
a cute little SBR
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>muh vintage PURIST unmodified rifle
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>the muhreeeens use it, it's REAL ARMY GRADE TACTICOOL RATED
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liberals recognize it and begin streaming saline from their optical orifices from a mile away
>>30200809
I think they also slightly increased the ROF, but the Commando was also prone to overheating.
>>30200732
but why in 5.56 ?
>>30200822
definitely. good observation anon, hadn't thought about that.
increasing the backpressure would make the bolt carrier cycle back faster and more violently.
i wonder if they made the buffer springs heavier to compensate?
>>30200826
It was the newest assault rifle caliber that saw widespread adoption. I see what your saying since 5.56mm keyholes like a mother fucker out of an 8" - 11" barrel.
>>30200826
While terminal performance of some military loads (especially of the time) are lackluster, they are "good enough" and the important part to the military... the logistics to support them was already in place as they share almost all of the same components with the standard issue M16.
>>30200609
Would you take a Colt Commando or M4?
>>30200836
10 meme-meter would have been better honestly
>>30200836
>I see what your saying since 5.56mm keyholes like a mother fucker out of an 8" - 11" barrel.
It really doesn't. Source: Have a 10.3" SBR.
>>30200835
Yes. H2 and H3 buffers, definitely important if you're using a suppressor, as it increases the pressure even further.
>>30200835
No, the Commando had quite a few problems because of the short barrel. Colt actually proposed a 29-month $635,000 R&D program to fix all these problems, but since Vietnam was starting to wind down that never happend, so I suspect it used the basic carbine buffers.
>>30200868
Maybe he means .223? I could see 55 grain tula key holing past 100 yards, or at least being quite susceptible to environmental conditions.
Then again, these SBR's aren't made for shooting far, especially not with the wrong ammo, so it is a moot point unless you plan to shoot a lot of cheap ammo.
>>30200881
They solved most of the issues by adopting an 11.5 inch barrel. If you're referring to the issues with the M4 (exploding barrels from overheating) colt solved this with the heavier SOCOM barrel.
>>30200909
That's right, the 11.5" barrel did fix most of the issues.
>>30200930
>you will never remove rice innanam blindly for the government
;_;
>>30200894
I think it is more of a "short barrels are bad" fuddlore.
Yes 5.56 takes a big hit in velocity out of a short barrel which it really needs to punch out and through wind, but even then Wolf Gold which is a decent M193 facsimile does fine out of mine to 500y torso steel.
For comparison purposes, my 16" rifle can plug the same ammo out to 600y before it starts dropping through transonic. So 5.7" of barrel is an extra 100 yards of range to the sameish velocity.
>>30200950
Yea, the prices for genuine moderators are expensive as fuck at like $1,500
>>30200954
don't forget fragmentation and terminal ballistics though
5.56 is a light projectile going at high velocities and when you take away most of the velocity you aren't left with much in terms of fragmentation/penetration
although my understanding is that impacts at lower speeds can have increased tumbling/yawing?
>>30200966
i just want to feel the sense of brotherhood with my fellow americans as we forage into a jungle that hates us to shoot at people we don't know for a government that we've never met with the choppers and napalm behind us and nothing but fear ahead
>Why is everyone so gay for this gun?
Retro appeal. Vietnam operators. Heat. Any number of reasons. While arguably less practical than a flat top (HoB is frankly only an issue if you don't know how to zero), integral carry handles are objectively better looking.
>is it because of MGS?
Why would this be the case? Aside from peace walker, where it was shit, it hasn't been in MGS.
>>30200954
Would be interested to see the performance differences with some cheap Tula.
The discrepancies between lower velocity, cheap .223, and appropriately fielded mil-spec 5.56 loads seems to be the underlying issue behind most AR myths and fuddyness.
If it wasn't for this issue, we wouldn't be worried about overgassing issues.
I'd wager you'll see bigger differences in weaker ammo, with less stringent tolerances. It isn't hard to imagine someone buying a PSA "pistol" upper, then complaining when it doesn't perform well at range with inappropriate ammo.
I could be wrong, purely speculation. I've built 8.5, 11.5, 14.5 and 20 inch ARs. With appropriate ammo, and correct buffer weights, they've all been completely reliable and effective with realistic expectations.
If it isn't working right? There's usually a simple reason. 60 years of R&D into a weapons system tends to figure out the big issues.
>>30200980
Even a 20" M16 drops below frag threshold of M193 and M855 (~2400 fps) before 200 yards. While I agree staying within frag range for ball ammo makes sure it performs the best it is going to, we all know that riflemen have been putting it to work at far longer ranges.
If we go by the idea that the military shoots 124gr 9mm ball and considers it effective at close range then 62gr M855 ball out of a 10.3" barrel like a MK18 still delivers more energy than that at 400 yards albeit with a smaller hole.
>>30201033
I think we know which game to blame.
>>30201058
I fucking love black ops 1
>>30201033
sexiness?
>>30200836
12.5in master race here no problems with keyholeing out to 400 (the farthest ive taken it) my 11.5 also has zero problems out to 400 as well.
>>30201051
Ammo is a huge part of the equation, you could argue that it is the biggest for performance out of short barrels. Projectile design and propellant speed are huge factors. That said, an optimized short barrel load will still lag behind what an optimized load from a longer barrel can do.
I think a lot of that "hate" stems from people not liking the wounding characteristics of intermediate calibers compared to full house rifle cartridges. Yes 5.56 is less potent than 7.62x51, there is no denying that, but a soldier can carry significantly more of it and deliver more than one round on target if need be.
In the civilian world most firearm usage on living creatures comes down to hunting where a one shot stop even with less than perfect shot placement is desirable. So in a hunter's mindset why would you take an already marginally effective cartridge for the job then make it even less effective?
>>30200857
Commando because fuck practicality. I want that swag.
Also, Colt is remaking it again. Pic related
>>30201058
Hopefully if they ever do a remaster of BO1 they'll unfuck the weapons list. Give the commando a carry handle, give the M60 its IRL sights, replace half the assault rifles with ones that actually existed when the game takes place, etc.
>>30201058
>I'll just wrap this sling around my gun like a fucking mummy
>instead of taking it off
why
>>30201179
Would the bolt catch even function with the sling tucked behind it?
>>30201191
Probably, but if you don't have an AR, and would like to know for sure, I can test it for you.
>>30201134
Yeah that's probably a really good way to think about it. My Grandpa and Uncle have been longtime hunters and reloaded, and they love to figure out what ammo gets optimal performance out of their rifles so they can make coyote more deader. Pretty sure if I were to suggest using a shorter barreled AR or whatever they'd immediately tell me that I'd lose performance.
>>30200609
Because it looks cool as fuck and has history behind it
>>30201103
is this /v/vg/ bait?
>>30201176
>tfw the AR-18 was supposed to be in the game
>got dropped in early development and replaced by the Galil
>wasn't even around until 1972
>mfw
>>30200739
A miserable pile of hot pockets.
>>30202491
But enough posts. Have at you!
>>30201058
why the fuck did they make it a flat top with no cross slots and a backwards troy sight?
>>30201176
They won't.
>>30202064
>>30202959
>>30201179
That's Treyarc being lazy, stupid tryhards. Instead of blasting 7.62 NATO and other appropriate firearms in places like Vietnam, Eastern Europe, and maybe Rhodesia, we get a MW2 clone both in multiplayer and story writing. This game killed my interest in anything past WaW.
>>30200609
No one will confuse you with some boot licking gay ass wanna be door kicker.
id hit that.
>>30201211
Please do I am interested
>>30200826
5.56 ammunition is very lightweight. The rifle is very lightweight. The magazines are very lightweight.
Weight plays one of the most important parts of every aspect of military operations and logistics.
I prefer the 7.62 due to penetration through cover for urban warfare.
