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A break action pellet gun is an ideal weapon for a survival situation because it is quiet, ammo is cheap and plentiful, and will allow you to easily kill small game without wasting a bullet or worrying about breaking an arrow.
Prove me wrong.
>protip you can't
> having to use anything other than your bare hands to kill tiny animals
>>30145312
You just have to worry about actually hitting that little creature, with enough regularity that you don't run through an entire tin just trying to get a bite to eat first week SHTF.
>pellet guns, especially piston guns, are not easy to shoot well
>>30145312
They're not _that_ quiet. My .22 pellet is about as loud as .22 subsonic.
Shame to have to think about buying a can for an air rifle.
>>30146970
We regularly used them to drop rabbits that want to munch on the garden, it's not that hard especially shooting from within the house.
I agree with you about getting one OP, but I worry about their frailty. Seems a much better choice for small game than .22lr especially given the relative cost of ammo these days.
>>30145312
Its wonderful unless you want to eat something larger than a squirrel or you are attacked by anything at all. If your mom wont let you have a real gun, thats fine, just stop pretending that air rifles are ideal for anything other than giving underage bongs something to shoot pigeons with.
>>30148405
I don't think OP was suggesting it as one's only projectile launcher. Having one once you have a reliable 13+ rnd pistol and an intermediate round semiauto rifle is a great idea, though.
>>30145312
When I was a young boy, me and my best friend took our wicked sick new bb guns out into my backyard on a hunt for birds. We both sighted in on the same one and popped it. But when it fell out of the tree, it only had 1 bb in it. We both collectively shit our pants over killing the thing and spent the next 15 minutes arguing over whos bb it was.
>>30146970
I can headshot rabbits at 50m with my .22 airgun and I consider myself average at best.
>ideal weapon
Not really -- unless you're being ATTACKED by rabbits and gophers.
>>30148479
>AN ideal
not
>THE ideal
>>30148488
Still not.
>break action
semi-auto is better in every way. EVERY WAY.
>pellet gun
not even a weapon.
It's a hunting tool that's... easier to use than a bow and arrow, but I would rather have a real, center-fire rifle if my life depended on it. Pellet guns are a tier below airsoft in durability and reliability.
>>30148299
You can get them with cans too. Though a slingshot and a sack of marbles is just as good, way quieter and more compact.
>>30148516
See >>30148424
Why are you using a center-fire rifle to hunt rabbits/squirrels/small birds, which if the Great Depression is anything to go by will quickly be the only wild animals around after fudds storm the woods for deer to add to the pot? You need to save as much meat as you can, and not making noise could be key.
>>30148522
Ya, I know you can get an integrated can, but f I want to add one to what I've got I'd have to get a stamp, since it would work with a real firearm also
>>30148557
You can probably get around that if you weld it in place
Wabbit
I'd go with a PCP rifle and a spring piston pistol. The pistol, a Webley Tempest in .22", which is too weak for anything more than a grouse at maybe 10 metres. The PCP rifle because with a reliable pump and a few seals for backup I've got consistent hits at 20fpe for years. My face rifle is dime accurate at 30 metres. Easy enough to take small game with that. And if SHTF we won't have refrigeration so bigger game would be wasted unless travelling with a large group. With the Leupold 2-7x mounted it's deadly even in low light. Oh, and a folding .22lr just because the one I built is tiny and weighs 3lbs with the scope.
>>30149079
Fucking autocorrect...fave not face.
Mmm pheasant
Lock pick.
>>30149100
I'm jelly. How you gonna eat it? I'm partial to slivering it up and serving it on wild rice with Hollendaise myself.
>>30148424
Have fun carrying that.
>>30149142
That one was breasted and braised in cider with bacon.
>>30149165
Goddam that sounds good.Is there a recipe, or is it as easy as it sounds?
>>30149173
See recipe here friend
http://www.bbc.co.uk/food/recipes/pheasantbreastsbrais_1003
>>30145312
You have an good argument for going the non combat rout during shtf. The problem is, is that you can get better result with a .22
>>30148439
>>When I was a young boy...
My father, to me into the city...
>>30149218
1000 fps hollow point pellet will kill any small game you can find in the forest.
>>30149218
>The problem is, is that you can get better result with a .22
Sure, but you can carry a lot more pellets for a lot less weight.
>>30149202
Thank you.
>>30145312
Maybe this isn't the case with all pellet guns/air cartridges but if I left the air cartridge in the gun that I had as a kid the air would slowly seep out over the course of a couple days and once the seal was broken on the cartridge removing it from the gun would let all the air out.
The power of the gun also diminished significantly as the air seeped out or was used. You'd probably end up having to use an entire air cartridge for every rabbit /bird you kill, unless you can kill 4-5 within like 3 hours.
>>30149383
What
Nigga this pellet rifle in question is spring powered. You break the barrel, pull it down until the spring goes into position, then you close the barrel.
How do you eat a small animal that has been shot? Would the lead affect you?
>>30149532
Make a cut from the anus to the breast bone with a sharp knife. Reach around the innards, and use the knife to separate the organs from the spine. The organs should come out mostly in one piece. Next, skin the animal, and remove the meat from the bones. You should try locating all fragments of the bullet, because you can chip a tooth if you bite down too hard on one.
>>30146920
>i can run as fast as the animals
>>30149157
Why am I carrying it all? I don't have to take more than one longarm at a time while hunting, and I'm not one of those idiot "hurrr I'll go innawoods the moment things look bad" morons. Staying put with shelter and supplies as long as possible >>>>> wasting energy outdoors.
How many fps would you need on a .22 air rifle to kill a rabbit? In Canada 500 is the fps limit before you need a license so most air rifles here are 495 fps.
>>30149285
They're also cheap as fuck to buy, a tin of 500 is like $12. That's 1/5 the price of .22lr so you can actually have a giant supply of it without enriching Bubba the hoarder.
>>30149916
http://www.straightshooters.com/weihrauch-hw80-.22-beech.html
I've heard this is good.
>>30145312
Why are they all so heavy? They are heavier than many rifles.
>>30145312
I prefer them just because it's the only gun you can have without a licence in England.
For now...
>>30150177
Don't have to be heavy. A springer, sure, lots of heavy steel needed. But a PCP can be built to less than 5 pounds including a decent scope. Depends on how much you want to spend or how clever you are with working on them. A carbine based on a pistol for instance can be very compact yet deliver sufficient energy for small game up to rabbits. 20fpe is plenty for anything closer than 50 metres.
>>30149100
I remember you from some other thread. Nice catch and nice gun too. I assume it's a sub 12ft-lbs right?
>>30149916
You can kill rabbits even with 8 grain @ ~450fps if you nail them right in the brain or spine. Your biggest concern really is accuracy, you should only hunt at whatever range you get dime size groups. For a $40 low end pellet gun that could be as close as 20m or as far as 150m for $2000 high end PCPs.
>>30145312
I almost agree OP.
I don't think an airguns are essential, but I think a good airgun with a large stockpile of ammo would be a HUGE luxury..
You could stockpile enough ammo for the rest of your life for dirt fucking cheap, and keep quiet enough to not draw any attention when killing small game.
Also, you won't destroy any meat on small game like you would with .22's and shotguns
I know .22's are light, but shoot a squirrel at ten yards with a hollowpoint and look at what happens
>>30150246
You have my sympathies friend.
>>30146970
I used to have a (working) CZ618 and I could do pretty well with it popping cans or targets, and that's a normal-ass spring airgun.
rip in piss that gun, I was a dumb child and ruined the barrel by firing q tip heads and tinfoil balls and shit because I didn't wanna shell out for pellets ;_;
So I have an air gun to shoot at shit in the backyard and I had to put down a possum the other day. Not into hunting but I shot this thing twice in the head and it was still moving.where the fuck do you shoot a possum to kill it? I aimed between the eye and the ear and it walked away bleeding out of its nose. I felt bad for not ending his suffering quicker
>>30153513
a lot of airguns are chambered in .22 calibre pellets and many have the same power as .22 cartridge rifles. They're not toys.
No scope..
Pellets punch right through
>>30153571
shoulda hit it with a hammer or something
>>30149218
>non combat rout
what the fuck is this, a JRPG? fuck outta hear nerd
>>30153596
You just have to put your points into Sneak and Suck Dick exclusively.
>>30145312
okay bongs you guys eat rabbits, you put them in pies has any arab made rabbit kebabs for you mongs?
>>30153589
Is that a .22 or a .177?
And is it a turkish (or similar) brand?
>>30151345
Yeah but a pcp requires a tank or a fuckhuge pump. Can't carry that shit. Can't extended innawoods with a pcp.
>>30153800
Its a marvic gold in .22
>>30149100
What's that fun?
>>30148516
>op says pellet gun is good for small game
>"lol use a center fire rifle for squirrel"
>"pellet gun isn't a weapon"
>zero reason comprehension
>>30153573
No. 22 is the calibre, but most pellets weigh under 15 grains vs 40 grains for a 22. Also velocities rarely equal 22LR velocities.
>>30150246
Yup.
We're lucky we can type the word "gun" without Teresa May's death squads on our doorstep.
>>30153723
I wonder if Rabbit is halal? I'll ask my wife's boyfriend
>>30151584
Yeah it's a 12 fits lbs .177 break barrel
>>30154253
BSA Supersport SE. 177 some reviews say they are shit but mine is super accurate and reliable. Takes me back to my childhood with every shot though.
>>30148405
Air rifles ARE ideal for pest control. Better than firearms, because you can use them indoors.
They're not ideal, but adequate, for small game, and very efficient.
>>30148516
Confirmed for never having used a quality air rifle. Try walther, weihrauch, air arms, diana, even bsa or cz - then you can talk.
Don't think, even for a second, that a $500+ springer is anything like a 40 dollar crossman.
>>30145312
>carrying an extra 8lbs on your pack
>carrying more than 1 long arm
>>30155703
That's a pretty gun, anon.
>>30155748
this, better have a pistol and a stronger cartridge rifle if you really think you need that
>>30155748
>thinking that the correct course of action in most shtf-events is to run into the woods with a backpack and guns
a powerful slingshot would be almost as viable IMO, as you can use rocks etc for ammo, and takes up less space in the bugout bag
>>30156473
Staying put is best. I could survive just by shooting these things out of my window alone!
Also don't disregard .177 sure it's small but if you get it in the right place just as effective. It will do a through-and-through on a rabbit skull at 40 everything even at only 780fps
>>30156845
*40 meters every time
>>30145312
A sling or slingshot can do the job just as well and can use ammo from the environment (i.e. rocks).
>>30145312
>quiet
Anything worth having is louder than a suppressed .22lr and some of them are as loud as an unsuppressed .22lr.
>easily kill small game
Except for the fact they're generally too inaccurate past 30 feet to reliably make head shots, you have zero ability for follow-up shots, and even the "good" expanding pellets are far less lethal than .22lr as well as simply NOT being sold in stores.
>ammo is cheap and plentiful
The good hunting pellets are a nickel each and only available online if you live in the US. The cheap pellets suck.
Then let's talk weight. Any of the rifles you have pictured are around 7 pounds. That's almost 4 pounds more than what you can get a .22lr bolt-action down to without sacrificing LOP or barrel length. Considering you're espousing carrying one ON TOP of a regular firearm to save a massive nickel a shot (or less), it's kinda fucking retarded.
>>30148522
And those cans are basically worthless though. Maybe a 4-5dB reduction off a sound that's pretty much indistinguishable from supersonic .22lr if it's over 1200fps.
>>30157090
>man has clearly shot several birds and rabbits in this thread, with his pellet gun, that he posts pictures of
That debunks all of your narm.
>>30149285
>a lot more pellets
About three times as many in the same space.
>a lot less weight
The difference is smaller than you'd believe if you're getting the good hollowpoint hunting pellets. Most of those are in the 22-26gr range, and the standard 36gr HV .22lr is about 42gr total for a loaded round.
IMO the weight and bulk difference is pretty negligible unless you're trying to carry thousands of rounds or pellets at once.
>>30151345
>but a PCP can be built to less than 5 pounds including a decent scope
And a bolt-action rifle in a magnum centerfire rifle can be built to less than 5 pounds loaded with a high-end 30mm tube diameter scope. In fact, several companies do this on factory guns.
Air guns are, in literally every category, heavier than rifles.
>>30153571
>where the fuck do you shoot a possum to kill it?
Possums are durable as fuck m8. They also have a relatively redundant nervous system, so pretty much anything short of total destruction of the brain stem and they'll live/be functional for at least some amount of time.
>>30157126
Uh huh.
With a $500 European springer that's not available in the US, with hunting pellets that aren't available in the US.
Do note I predicated that entire post on "if you live in the US"
And I do agree with his (or somebody's anyway) assessment that "Don't think, even for a second, that a $500+ springer is anything like a 40 dollar crossman"
Unfortunately those simply are not available in the majority of the US, even through online sales. Same goes for good pellets, which completely fucks the "cheap and plentiful ammo"
>>30153573
>calibre
>equating dameter to kinetic energy
>which a function of mass and velocity
Noguns don't even research what they're talking about anymore. Or have a basic understanding of physics.
>>30154720
OP said pellet gun was "an ideal weapon"
>zero reading comprehension
nice glass house, you stupid, illiterate fuck.
>>30157840
AN ideal weapon.
Not THE ONLY ideal weapon.
>misses obvious, key point of OP's post
>has the gall to insult another anon about reading comprehension when that anon was correct
This isn't the pot calling the kettle black, this is the nigger calling the Anglo black.
>>30157254
Airgun Depot, PyramidAir and Airguns of Arizona they all stock good European guns and pellets. They also have more powerful air rifles (like the Korean manufacturers) that don't sell well in Europe.
Crossman Premiers, RWS and JSB Exacts ones are absolutely plentiful anywhere, from Walmart, most gun/hunting/outdoor shops and even in fucking Amazon, and they're perfect for hunting. Anything more expensive than that is probably oriented towards 10m or field target shooters.
>>30158187
Fuck man my local Walmart has two different types of .22 premiers in stock weekly for like $9 a tin.
My .22 Benjamin nitro from my local cabelas has been pretty awesome too, for a $200 airgun it'll hit a can at 46yd so needless to say I'm happy.
>it's never been easier to get a decent airgun
>>30158187
That's what I was thinking. Americans have it really good when it comes to air rifles! Just looked for my rifle on Airgun depot and it's only $249 http://www.airgundepot.com/bsa-supersport-se-air-rifle.html so even cheaper than it is in Europe!! And you get it in higher spec too!
>>30158404
Isn't the power difference like 19fpe for you guys compared to 30+fpe for us?
>>30158429
For the UK it is 12fpe without a licence. .177 makes the most of the lower power limit.
>>30158057
>an ideal weapon
You see... there are two things wrong with it.
>ideal
that means "perfect" -- it's not perfect. The fact that almost any centerfire or rimfire firearm completely outclasses it as a weapon brings it closer to "least ideal"
>weapon
it's definitely not what you want as your weapon. Better to set up some snares and bait the shit out of small game.
So eat a dick, illiterate shit.
>>30149577
>I don't have basic snare setting skills
>>30158584
You see, there's a lot of things wrong with you. To begin with, you're so wrapped up trying to have the right to call someone out that you don't do due diligence. Let me help you, using a little tool we like to call a dictionary.
>Ideal: http://www.dictionary.com/browse/ideal?s=t
Ideal is a nuanced word, with multiple meanings. Sure, "perfect" is A basic definition, but it is not THE only definition. Let's look at a couple others, with emphasis added.
>8. regarded as perfect OF ITS KIND
>10. ADVANTAGEOUS; EXCELLENT; best
Now, anyone with half a brain can see how a pellet gun could meet these definitions. If they lack even that--mandatory (You) here--they could just read the thread and see why, without requiring any thinking on their part at all. In case that person is partially illiterate--again, (You)--they could be pointed to the exact posts explaining it: >>30148547, >>30149079, >>30153513. But JUST IN CASE it still isn't clear enough for (You): for the purpose of quietly bagging small game without ruining any meat, and having an enormous stockpile of ammunition cheaply, a pellet gun is an advantageous, excellent type of weapon--the best of its kind. There is no reason you cannot use snares and bait alongside it. There is no reason that it should be your only weapon; nobody arguing for its use has suggested it be employed in self defense or kept in lieu of weapons suitable for self defense. Rather, it should be kept alongside them. Owning a hammer does not preclude you from owning a saw, and so too here you should have multiple weapons, each with an intended use.
So I repeat: quit calling Anglos black, (You) illiterate nigger.
http://lowtechcombat.com/blog/2012/01/5-best-improvised-weapons-in-world
>handful of change
>thrown as a weapon
Has anyone on /k/ actually done that?
also - this.
Pyramid Air has them, and although they are fairly expensive (for pellets, anyway - in yurp they cost 50% more for a tin of 400, than a tin of 500 JSB exacts), this is an awesome hunting pellet.
As much as it may seem a gimmick, someone was friggin inspired when they came up with it - best of both worlds (domed and hollow points).
One of the two pellets I use (the other being the aforementioned JSB exact 8.44 grain .177)
>>30159544
Those pellets + these bullets = ???
>>30159424
when I'm on the highway I have a jar of pennies for people who drive like assholes. Out the sunroof they go.
>>30157208
And the ammunition weight comparison? For your magnum centerfire examplesure,, it'll make the little bunny or squirrel dead... and pretty much splattered, leaving not a lot to eat. But the cartridges weigh in the vicinity of 50x what a decent JSB hunting pellet weighs, so you can only carrya relatively tiny number of shots with you. With airguns you're carrying a high pressure cylinder or spring piston system, so yeah, it'll have to be heavy-ish. But you can carry thousands of pellets in a couple of pockets. Only maybe a couple of hundred of your magnum cartridges. So what's the real weight comparison for the same number of shots? Especially when talking about survival strategies?
And then there's the loudness thing... good grief. A suppressed 5lb PCP can take game almost silently, with other game almost never noticing so follow-up shots can fill your pot. Your big gun is going to scare everything for a mile completely shitless, besides drawing massive attention from any nearby people, some of whom may want your rifle. Not good.
>>30157090
Worth having? Buddy, go watch some videos. TedsHoldover for starters. Ballistic stability is toast when a pellet goes supersonic, no serious airgunner uses such speeds. Around 850 to 950fps is the sweet spot, so pick a caliber and weight you like, especially JSB field target types as they're the most precise and excellent for killing, and you can find a very accurate PCP for up to 100metre shots at 1 MOA accuracy. Of course you're not getting that for KMart prices. Try $1000+.
>>30146970
I had some chink shit airgun and i culled many pests as a kid and I taught myself
>>30159703
>and you can find a very accurate PCP for up to 100metre shots at 1 MOA accuracy
That's fucking impressive, even at that price.
>>30159738
Look into FX, AirArms, AirForce if you want American made, several other decent brands. Even some of the sprinters can deliver very fine groups, but only with expert shooting. Not easy with their weird double recoil. A couple of sliding action models are recoilless so they're pretty incredible. I shoot with a guy who has some German steel thing where the whole action and barrel move back about 15mm on firing, resetting on cocking. It's a side-lever spring piston rifle designed for field target competition. He's able to score close to perfect runs on targets out to 45 metres with 1/2" knockdown holes. Kneeling, unsupported by anything. The gun's a better shooter than he is, and he's a damned fine shooter.
Sprinters. Fuck. Springers you shitty little phone...
>>30159799
How about for robustness? Since this thread's theme is SHTF use, getting one that's unlikely to break from use or minor falls/impacts would seem prudent. At least as sturdy as, say, a Marlin 60.
>>30159814
(I should mention, not needing canisters of compressed air/CO2/etc as a second consumable, alongside ammunition, would be pretty key)
>>30159840
Look at Edging products. Russian, built like a brick shithouse, and some of the best accuracy on the market. For SHTF? I'd pick the Edging Leshiy. Goblin, translated. Practically a club, folding and lightweight so it crams into a small bag or corner of a pack. Loads of power, lots of shots per fill. Regulated, so consistent shot to shot. Get a pump from FX (not as bulk nor as heavy as a Hill and just as good if not better) to fill it and a few thousand pellets and you're ready to hunt anything up to turkey size. .30" or. 25" for hitting power, .22" for more shots per fill and lighter pellet storage while retaining enough smackdown for small game. Check Edguns videos. Guy's brilliant and hilarious. Turn on English captions except for the vids he speaks English. The Leshiy is a game changer.
I use a Brocock Atomic set up as a carbine with a 4x scope for squirrels and rats. I've had it set up anywhere from 5fpe to 17fpe, but like it best at between 7 and 8fpe for rodents. I'd go to 10fpe for SHTF just to get a bit more range, but mine is dime accurate out to 30 metres as it is so plenty good for little critters. With a wire stock and suppressor it weighs in at 3lbs 14oz. Sounds like a child sneezing. Great for rat elimination with a small spread-focus red laser mounted so I can see the buggers and my crosshairs. Lately I've mounted a tiny Carson NV200 which I've modified to get the beam placement over the scope, more stealthy than the laser, and still under 5lbs. Has an LW barrel so the accuracy is expected.
>>30160222
Edging. Again with the autocorrection. Edguns.
>>30156845
Rabbits are 750 calories a pound so you need 2 to 3 pounds of rabbit per day per person. That's a lot of fucking rabbits.
>>30160222
Thanks for the tip! Here I'd thought that springs were the way to go for SHTF, but I'm only used to one of those cheaper models good for popping rabbits out to max 40 yards (which is a spring one and seems pretty solid) that my old man has.
>>30161016
Rabbits usually weigh 3-4 lbs full grown.
>>30161016
>>30161469
More importantly, they're all protein, so you can't live off of them alone or you'll starve with a full stomach.
You'll become a much better shooter if you learn how to shoot on a spring-piston air rifle. The reason? Follow-through.
Since the springer lurches all over the place before the pellet comes out of the barrel, you have to develop the ability to break the shot exactly the same way every time.
Airguns like this are fun to shoot in areas you couldn't get away with shooting a rimfire, like larger back yards or houses that back up to greenbelts. My air rifle is a 12 ft/lb .177, and I usually use heavy pellets.
>>30162803
>Airguns like this are fun to shoot in areas you couldn't get away with shooting a rimfire, like larger back yards or houses that back up to greenbelts. My air rifle is a 12 ft/lb .177, and I usually use heavy pellets.
This
No question springers build skills and are a hoot to shoot. I go back to my spring-piston rifle and pistols regularly and find my shooting has improved when going back to the match-grade PCP stuff. But I can never group as small with the springers. Just cant be quite that robotically consistent.
>>30163317
That's true- 99% of springers aren't match level accurate. I think their sweet spot is the medium power level, low- magnification, sub 40 yard arena.
I have a Webley Tempest that I can shoot well, but I've never seen anyone else who can shoot those things with any sort of consistency.
>>30163676
My .22" UK Tempest from the 1990's shoots fairly strongly, around 350fps with Hobby 11.9gr. I can hold to about the 6 ring on an ISSF standard 10 metre pistol target. My match PCP pistol I can hold to the 9 ring, mostly, hitting the odd 8 on a bad day. The Tempest is weaker but jumps forward and down, making it challenging to say the least. But I've read of guys in the UK hunting birds with them, things like quail and doves.
>>30150246
Have some pasta and a funny pic for your enjoyment (I like arguing the anti-fun bongs on /out/):
>be bong
>get home from cricket match, westchester blokes beat us fivewiggy to trufflebum
>I dont like Westchester blokes
>set my cricket bat down against the wall as I take off my jersey
>head to shower (in tea of course)
>get out of shower
>eat dinner with state approved spoons
>watch the telly, news says police recovered a cache of illegal branches underneath a tree, 7 arrested in conjunction
>officers awarded medal of bravery
>2:30am
>downright knackered
>blimey better head off to beddy snuggery
>tuck myself in, say obligatory god save the queen
>roll over and blink before nodding off
>ohbloodyhell.Tiff
>see cricket bat against wall
>forgot to lock it in govt approved weapon locker that locks automatically from hours of 8pm to 9 am
>CCTV camera zooms into my window for required nightly check
>spots bat
>floodlights fill my room with blinding light
>elite police force rappels from helicopter, smashing through my windows
>flashbangs jar me senseless
>in a haze see police in EOD suit place cricket bat in metal container
>police begin tearing up floorboards
>EOD cop leans down into house framework
>BLIMEY! he says as he comes back up holding rusted 4" piece of rebar
>dragged outside into waiting wagon
>charged with 50 counts domestic terrorism and 40 counts possessing dangerous weapons
Such is life in bongistan
Can someone suggest a fun plinking air rifle. I just like to shoot and even 22 is getting expensive for me.
>>30164019
Hell, anything that works and delivers accuracy to meet hour expectations I guess. Which depends on your expectations. I know some guys who are thrilled to see a 1" group at 25 yards. Rested. Doesn't really do it for me, but who am I to judge. I want laser precision if possible, but not everyone wants that. Most rifles over about $200 should give you fair plinking level accuracy. Join an airgun forum if you want to learn all the options. GTA and others are full of discussions about what's a great starter airgun.
>>30164019
How much is your budget?
If you want just a single shot , break the barrel and you're done, this will one serve you well:
http://www.pyramydair.com/s/m/Crosman_Nitro_Venom_Air_Rifle/2401/4947
Same line, more expensive but more accurate and powerful:
http://www.pyramydair.com/s/m/Benjamin_Trail_NP_XL_Air_Rifle/2052/4170
Under $100:
http://www.pyramydair.com/s/m/Crosman_Vantage_Nitro_Piston_Air_Rifle/3233/6898
All these will take a rabbit and all other small game
>>30153589
What did you do with 6 rabbits after you were done? Did you actually eat the meat and everything?
>>30146970
They're quite easy to use within standard small game tracking distances.
>>30149577
Actually squirrels aren't really that fast when it comes to running across an open field. I would chase those things as a kid and be catching up to them by the time they hit the tree line.
>>30155089
I'd imagine not.
>>30146970
I grew up with one of these, and yes it takes alot of skill to actually hit what you aiming at with these. Once you get good you can drop squirrels all day long with your dirt cheep pellets. If you need that extra thump put some diesel inside the pellets rim, just be sure to clean that shit after. I recommend .117 for target shooting and .22 for hunting.
>>30153800
Are you thinking of Hatsan?
>>30157254
So what he is saying is correct, you just can't get hold of it. So why are you arguing?
I use to take rabbits reliably with my shitty £70 Chinese break action, using standard pellets.
>>30159421
>WHY BUY ANYTHING OTHER THAN AR15 I AM NO RIGHT I DON'T NEED TO ADDRESS YOUR POINTS
>>30162803
2nd this - I used to shoot in some private woodland and fields next to a housing estate. Being quiet kept the dickheads who lived there off my back. I didn't have to worry to much about over penetration of my pellets or the range of them either, and there are no license requirements
>>30164985
In a SHTF situation you want to be expending as few calories as possible to catch your food. Good luck chasing a squirrel when you haven't eaten for two days.
>>30164683
Thanks for info, if I'm just plinking should I go for 177?
>>30145312
It has it's purposes. Hunting and varmints mainly. Entertainment and target shooting would be fun and helpful. But just as essential would be a .22lr a 12ga and a rifle pig at least .223 caliber. The air gun while useful would never be as indispensable as the rest.
>>30148516
No they are not fucktard. You don't get stitches over airshit.
>>30151767
Death isn't necessary. Long as they stop to writhe you can run up and finish manually like a turkey.
>>30158584
Oh sweety it's ok someday you will understand context clues and everything!
Daily reminder that everything is going to be over hunted when shtf and it's a better idea to grow your own food and stockpile non-perishables
