3 Gun/Heavy Metal
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Hey, /k/, I never see much discussion on competitive shooting here, but was looking for suggestions on a 3 gun setup, specifically for heavy metal (because im a poorfag college student and already have a mossberg 500).
For those who may not know, requirements are:
>7,62 NATO rifle
>.45 single stack handgun
>pump action 12 gauge shotgun
Ive already got the shotgun, and i was thinking about getting a cheap, plain RIA 1911 for my handgun (i am a lefty though so if anyone has a better suggestion it's welcome).
My problem is with the rifle. I have no clue what to get thats going to be cheap but not a piece of shit. I really like the look of FALs and PTR 91s, and i think century makes a cheap, similar gun, but i dont know about quality. Im decently /fit/ so weight isnt an issue, it seems many people think its a good idea to spend extra money for less weight but Id rather keep the money.
Also general 3 gun discussion as im (obviously) very unfamiliar with the whole thing. I do IDPA so at least i know the basics of competitive shooting.
Norinco M305 if your a canuck or maybe an SVT
>>30138488
They aren't pretty but you can pick up a DPMS LR-308 AP4 for ~$750. Reasonably lightweight for a 7.62 semi-auto and you have a pretty sizable aftermarket behind it if you decide to upgrade components.
If you want to be a little shit you could get a VEPR .308 or Zastava M77
>>30138501
Holy shit i almost wish i wasnt in freedomland. That norinco fits in my budget and is exactly what i would want.
All these suggestions are a good start, thanks for giving me a place to start researching.
>>30138501
>requirements: 7.62 NATO
>recommends an SVT
Are you a nigger or just retarded?
>>30138701
Their both 7.62 dickhead
>>30138488
For a lefty, both RIA and Springfield make affordable 1911's with ambi safeties.
I'd recommend the DPMS G2 MOE for a rifle. It's light, ~90% parts compatible with an AR15, is one of the lowest-recoiling .308 semi's made, and best of all it's like $800. Throw a $40 ambi safety on it and you're golden.
>>30138708
>SVT
>7.62 NATO
Ok, you're a retarded nigger. Got it.
And before this goes any further, the SVT is chambered in 7.62x54r. Which is Russian/Soviet Bloc/former Soviet Bloc, *not* NATO. Which would be 7.62x51 NATO.
PTR
>>30138708
7.62x54mmR is not 7.62 NATO
>>30138708
You're either a skilled troll or a very new fag
If you don't mind spending a bit of money (I know, poor college kid, but I bought this when I was also a poor college kids the Kel-tec RFB. They can be had around $1400, which isn't cheap, but neither are other 308 battle rifles.
Why hasn't anyone recommended an AR10 yet? Probably the cheapest semi auto .308 you can get.
>>30138803
These guys did
>>30138724
>>30138534
So are you fucking retarded or did you not bother to read the thread before claiming something didn't happen in the thread you didn't read?
>>30138735
>>30138760
>>30138767
No shit sherlock, I dont compete in 3 gun, OP asked for guns in .308 i figured it was any full power cartridge calm your autism
PTR 91 is worth every penny if you're looking for a semi-auto .308
>>30138838
>damage control: the post
He even specifically stated 7.62 NATO in the OP.
God, you are such a retarded double-nigger faggot.
>>30138853
thats why i said "maybe an SVT" i dont know what they allow and dont, my first choice was an m14 so get fucked
I remember there was a good competitive shooting thread back a couple months ago.
I wonder why you faggots don't talk about it as much
Probably because either /k/ doesn't own any guns or /k/ just owns benchqueens.
But question for you OP, if you're a poorfag why dont you just play normal 3gun that doesnt require NATO shit and .45 shit?
>>30138825
Just Ctrl+F'd AR10 and AR-15 with no results. Sorry I don't know the specific meme models, faggot.
>>30138868
Not him, but odds are the Heavy Metal matches by him are like the ones near me: Full of old people with pretty basic rifles that just want to have fun and shoot.
Unlike the normal 3-gun, where even the BFE matches have 3GN-sponsored pro/semipro shooters and you'll literally get blackballed out of registering unless you have $30,000+ worth of gear and "know" one of the professional shooters.
>>30138881
Then maybe you should keep your damn whore mouth shut while the adults are talking.
>>30138881
AR-10 is a model. It is produced by Armalite and utilizes completely different components from internals to magazines than both of the two DPMS models posted in the thread.
>>30138906
>>30138918
Cry more, manbabies.
>>30138918
Except literally nobody in the history of /k/ has actually differentiated between the 4 separate large-frame AR patterns. If it looks like an AR and shoots real fucking NATO, it's an "AR10" even when it's not (which is always, since even Armalite stopped making Armalite-pattern rifles several years ago).
>>30138931
You the same niggerfaggot who got told hard about x54r? Maybe you should quit your life.
>>30138953
Somebody get this hot head out of here!
>>30138953
Nope, Im the guy you apparently "told" even though you never replied to my last post lmao
>>30139019
>lmao
This thread is shit. Sorry OP. It's all hot heads and retards.
>>30138868
I could compete in other 3 gun divisions I suppose, I just figured that heavy metal would be cheapest since I wouldn't have to buy a semi-auto shotgun and then an intermediate rifle. I have an AR pistol but I don't think they'll let me use that.
If you think there is a cheaper division please let me know. I have my IDPA pistol in 9mm that I can use but then need to get into a semi-auto shotgun and AR rifle, which I assume is more expensive.
Too bad I missed that thread. I'd love to compete more and hear about efficient ways to find clubs/matches. Right now I'm stuck at 1 IDPA match a month at somewhat distant sportman's club, hence my interest in expanding to 3-gun.
>>30139096
You can still participate in other classes, you will just be behind the curve on ultimate speed with your equipment.
You might want to see if your local club runs a Trooper class since usually very few people compete in it. That way if winning local matches is something you want to do on the cheap you have a better chance there.
>>30138868
>I wonder why you faggots don't talk about it as much
The guys who have the money to shoot competitively are busy shooting instead of talking about shooting. The ones who sit on here and shitpost about shooting don't have the money to actually shoot regularly, much less competitively.
>>30138906
Probably just depends on where you are and what the scene is like.
3gun around where I am is like the heavy metal near you. Just old people wanting to shoot and have fun, a few kids who are highspeed but thats about it. Not many people even show up.
>>30139135
True but I figured that there would be SOMETHING about it. Like quite a few of us who would be interested in starting, or beginners who don't compete very often or something.
The competition shooting scene where i am isn't very intense. There's like 3 matches a month and 90% of them are some kind of pistol shooting, so I can afford to do that.
One would think the fags on /arg/ with expensive highspeed rifles and gearfags and such would want to actually use what they have but I guess not
>>30139128
I am definitely not interested in winning classes. School keeps me pretty busy and moving around so I sometimes go months without even seeing a gun, and I just like to run around and shoot shit when I get a chance. It's way more fun than standing still at a range.
I never even considered checking the rules about taking pump shotguns to other classes. I would be ok with the handicap as long as it wouldn't piss off all the gamers too much.
Wow, you're full of all sorts of cool information and suggestions. Again I'd never even heard of trooper class, but that sounds like something I'd really like to do. Unfortunately I am by far the youngest at the club I go to by at least 20 years at the age of 23 so I don't think they'd have that.
Speaking of which, any suggestions on finding/shooting at new clubs? Not just for 3 gun, I'd like to do IDPA a little more often. I notice a lot of them by me say you must be sponsored by a current member to shoot. I was thinking of just showing up to a match, saying how interested I was in shooting with them and trying to buddy up with a few people so that I could shoot next month.
>>30139271
>I just like to run around and shoot shit when I get a chance. It's way more fun than standing still at a range.
It is way more fun than standing at a range
This is exactly why I don't understand why /k/ doesn't discuss action shooting more often
But yet /k/ will talk about the range endlessly
>>30139096
Tac or Tac Iron is probably the division that would be easiest and cheapest for you to compete in. your SSP pistol, your pump gun, and an AR with iron sights is all you need.
>>30139294
true. was going to go work on bill drills and plate racks this weekend but got rained out of the range.
>>30139271
>I was thinking of just showing up to a match, saying how interested I was in shooting with them and trying to buddy up with a few people so that I could shoot next month.
In my experience most clubs encourage you to come out and watch a match or two first anyway. While not everyone is there to compete, they are all there to shoot and more shooters help feed the egos of those who are competing ;)
>>30139294
Probably because most of /k/ is too poor to afford the necessary gear, too autistic to interact with other humans and be trusted with loaded firearms, and too lazy to look into it. Granted, it is hard to get into. I was only able to start at my club by accidentally meeting a member who mentioned shooting in public, then going and watching him shoot 2 matches before they let me register.
By me, clubs have a very cold shoulder to outsiders.
Hopefully we'll start to see more threads about competition though, especially since the weather is getting nicer.
I have no advice but I am monitoring this thread.
Any word on how good you should be at shooting standing still before you start doing run 'n' gun type stuff?
I actually have a Century Cetme Sporter that I've been building for Heavy Metal Tactical. I damn near blew up my old flash hider so I need to get a new one( it wasn't the factory one to begin with. it had serious metal fatigue and the sides started bowing out). I Also have a 1911, but I'm wanting to switch to something else as it's not a very practical pistol now-a-days. only thing I really need now is a 12ga. been looking at either a moss. 500 or 590.
BTW, the actual rule book states that for "Tactical" you can use anything .40cal and above. double or single stack. just as long as you don't load more than 10 rounds in the mag. It also states the rifle has to be .30cal or bigger. this allows people to use their M1 garands(SVT's are also okay to use, same with 300WM semi-autos). rifle mags are limited to 20rnds max.
unfortunately, I've found that very few clubs actually follow the rule book. as I asked about using my 10mm auto pistol for Heavy Metal as it's technically legal and they said "no, has to be a .45acp, single stack". kinda gay. it basically leaves only the 1911 and the Sig 220 as your only options.
>>30139425
Be good enough to not break the 180 rule. That is all you need. Actually participating will teach you the rest.
>>30139452
stupid question, please don't kill me, but, what is the 180 rule?
>>30139449
there are so many outlaw 3 gun matches out there that there's slight variation in rules for each.
if in doubt, ask for the rulebook.
>>30139512
don't engage targets that are "behind" you, essentially
>>30139425
In my experience, as long as you're safe you're ready to run and gun. I'm frankly not a good shooter. I can hit a man-sized target at 21 feet with my handgun and at 25 yards with a rifle. If your accuracy is horrible, then you'll just be down points. Others at the competition will have tips and hopefully you will have had fun and improve next time. I guess the only real limit is if you're so bad it isn't even fun for you because you don't hit anything.
What's uncool though is if you are unsafe. I see people all the time who are WAY more accurate than me get disqualified for accidentally pointing their muzzle at spectators or keeping their finger on the trigger while running. Just take it slow the first time and go faster as you feel more comfortable.
>>30139512
Imagine that there is a vertical plane separating the range (in front of you) from other areas/people (behind you). Gotta keep your muzzle pointed in front of that plane.
>>30139452
>>30139553
Hmm neat ty men
>>30139540
>>30139574
gotcha, make sense, thanks guys.
>>30139602
That poor flag etiquette is triggering my autism and killing my boner.
>>30139602
>carbine length upper
>rifle fixed AR stock on lower
what the fuck
>>30138488
USP for the 45?
>>30140188
>ignoring the tits
What the fuck, bruh?
>>30138708
They're *
>>30140188
>face of a Japanese fuck-doll
>shitty hair cut
>this making you erect in the first place
>so NEET a mannequin turns you on
>except for the flag
>>30138753
>>30138847
Normally I'd agree with my fellow poorfags, but
>lefty
The G3/PTR-91 is the worst of the big 3 battle rifles for left-handed operation. It is not impossible, certainly not with practice, but for a competition rifle it would be a poor choice for your situation. If you can't afford a SCAR-17S, then get a .308AR with an ambi lower.
