Did the 1996 ban work in it's indeed role?
>>30100538
depends what you consider it's intended role to be.
>>30100561
this is you
yes, the proles are disarmed
>>30100538
In disarming the Aussie population?
Sure.
In reducing crime?
Nope.
>>30100538
Nope.
Funnily enough, I just wrote an essay on why it didn't. I'll throw it here if you want
>>30100538
Did it give liberals something to crow about?
Undoubtedly.
Did it ever stop anyone from getting a hold of "assault weapons?"
No. Like any piece of legislature it was full of more holes than a leper with smallpox laying on a bed of nails which were ruthlessly exploited until it was failed to renewed around 2004, as it was seen for the ineffective political propaganda that it really was.
>>30100675
I'm curious enough to give it a skim
>>30100692
https://www.dropbox.com/s/vgaqu6x1qt2cucr/Gun%20control%20essay%20Final.docx?dl=0
I actually sent it off to David Leyonhjelm and he loved it. My bleeding heart liberal teacher actually likes having someone challenge her views
>>30100576
except he didn't call attention to the typo at all, and indeed made a typo of his own
>>30100675
give me a tl;dr
>>30100718
K. Gun laws enacted after Port Arthur, not only because of it, didn't serve to do anything but strip firearms from law abiding Australians. Since it was mandatory, it only accomplished a de-arming of Australia, leaving the country pretty much open for criminals to commit murder. Homicide trends were already declining, the buyback had no effect on them, nor did it on violent crime, and it didn't stop any more shootings from occurring.
>>30100733
I'd agree on all those points; But more Australian own firearms now than ever, so dearming probably isn't the right term i'd use
>>30100758
Currently yeah true, and it's a point I do bring up. I meant it's what it did at the time, my bad
I love how butthurt /k/ gets over the buyback and the subsequent destruction of guns.
>>30100769
ahh, gotcha
>>30100770
>Top kek the guys on the weapons board don't like weapons being destroyed by retards
>>30100699
>sending an essay to Leyonhjelm
i like you anon.
i'll take a read of it
>>30100770
Who wouldn't?
>>30100699
not gonna lie, i thought the name at the bottom was "Neville Bartoss" for a spilt second
649,000 guns, 10% were semi autos.
SKS/SKK and Sportco/Ruger 10/22s already had more guns in the country than were handed in, by a huge margin.
anyone have pictures of that ghetto made shit criminals build at home with 3d printers and corrugated iron?
>>30100817
>Auto 5
>multiple Garands
>M1 Carbine
Fug
>>30100817
actually depresses me
I'm so jealous of Americans
>>30100817
I see a M1 garand and Carbine
RRRRRRRRRRRRRR
>>30100576
>>30101001
same senpai
>>30100817
>garands
>AR15 A1 clones
>worst of all, SLRs
>>30100576
This is you
>>30101035
ad homienem much?
>>30101037
>no joking allowed this is a serious online debate
>>30101042
oh sorry
>>30100817
>australias gun culture will never revert to how it was
>almost every cunt I've met believes Bryant did it and the gun buyback removed illegal firearms from the communities
>only the people I've met in gunshops and who understand firearms believe it was impossible for him to do
no politician dares to fight for us
>>30101140
youre forgetting the Liberal Democrats
>>30100699
Your writing is garbage and difficult to follow
>>30101358
>Liberal democrats
America is a funny place. That combo of political affiliation is who is literally trying to remove our rights.
Of course here, Both the repubs and the Democrats are both authoritarian in their own rights
>>30100690
Sorry namefag, think they meant the Aussie gunban not the US awb.
>>30100770
Back to
>>>/b/
Summer friend.
You're on a board dedicated to weapons. Yeah, people are going to get pretty pissed over countless weapons, many of which having historical value, being destroyed.
>>30101140
One day, maybe Howard will be remembered as the villain he truly is.
>>30101480
You may have to wait until he's dead...
>>30100538
The best gun control is culture. I am from the Balkans, I had several AKs in my house when I was a kid and I never thought about bringing one to schools and shooting people. I know people who have/had AKs, hand grenades, even RPGs, yet we don't have school shooting or high gun crime. You can buy an AK for 200 euros, hand grande for 20 euros yet we don't have people shooting at each other. Not even criminal go about shooting up places. Its all culture.
>>30100817
This image makes me uncomfortable
To know that all those beautiful guns are not destroyed, makes me so sad
>>30101389
Are you waking up to why identity politics is a fucking scam.
>>30100538
Lots of gun politics on here this morning that really got my blood flowing. Didn't even need a coffee.
>>30100770
Yeah it's awesome seeing the overwhelming power of the state, through threat of violence/imprisonment prevail over everyday law abiding people you fucking facist cunt.
>>30101644
No, it's just interesting though.
>>30101618
this guy knows it. IMHO american shootings happens mostly because of weak mentality yet also supported by easy access to weapons, however a good gun discipline from early on should prevent a lot of crimes like that.
>>30100538
setting us back for decades and creating a political quagmire? yes.
>>30100817
The stupidest thing about this is that the majority of these guns are literally just duck and rabbit guns. So many lives were saved, sure.
>>30101480
Not as long as SBS still exists
>>30101736
>semi auto
>"""""new technology to get around the gun laws."""""""
the whole shitstorm about the adler boils the blood.
This is classified as """"""""New technology"""""""
It established AUS-SOC.
>>30100817
>>30100817
>the Garand and FAL sitting on top of each other
I fucking hate politicians
>>30101395
My bad, I need to remember not to drink and post.
>>30100817
>2.2 Million SKS rifles imported before 1996.
>Only one in picture.
Aus/k/: Grab SKS. Go innnabush.
>>30102343
I'm actually really glad that they're going after the Adler.
It's another easy victory for us, and if we keep winning like we have been for the last year or so, it'll start becoming a habit.
It's the same reason why I'm glad the Greens had their senate inquiry last year and we had the NFA review this year.
It's because we keep BTFOing them in a public sphere.
>>30106585
>Thinking we will win.
The average city cunt and thus average polly believes hunting bows should be registered and restricted, they will defy all logic to ban things that scare them.
>>30100699
I give it 7/10.
It's good, but generally speaking it may have been a little too informal. An editor could have been useful. I think you spent a little too much time on criminals and laws, and instead could have tackled the panic that was taken advantage of after Port Arthur.
Links below, you don't need a gun to commit a massacre.
>>30101618
>The best gun control is culture.
Can't put it better than that. China has a huge problem with knife attacks. No guns involved, other than the ones police bring.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/School_attacks_in_China_(2010–12)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Kunming_attack
http://www.mining.com/fifty-killed-in-a-knife-attack-at-a-chinese-colliery/
http://www.cnn.com/2014/03/01/world/asia/china-railway-attack/
>>30106703
Oh yeah, we're definitely losing.
That's why every single attempt at extra gun control that's been made in the last two years has failed dismally and publicly.
It's why we've got an LDP senator and predictions to get an extra one or two at the next election.
It's why we've got more gun owners and more guns than ever before.
It's why there are at least four new Australian gun manufacturers starting up in the last couple of years.
It's why we've been consistently chipping away at the smaller laws time and time again.
It's why the mainstream media's afraid to put out gun-related articles any more because they know how much they'll get destroyed.
Yeah, we're really losing. Keep telling yourself that.
>>30106761
Yeah, I went through a lot of shit to go with that legal definition of massacre. I had eight other sources for non-firearm examples, but my teacher demanded I use guns.
Thanks for the help man, it's appreciated
>>30101027
My heart dropped when I saw that SLR
It's like putting down a good horse for no reason other than the fact that some other retards horse kicked someone in the face.
>>30106783
>but my teacher demanded I use guns
I love this mindset.
They literally don't care about people dying unless it's with their favourite method.
>>30106807
It's the worst kind of cherrypicking. Choosing to discuss a specific topic that has wide-reaching reasons, conflicts, and ideals, but pretending that it's very small and easily understood.
>>30106783
>teacher demanded I use guns.
That's bullshit, plain and fucking simple. The next time this happens, start off with the question of whether it's better to have 300 people stabbed to death or 50 people shot to death. Extra points if the teacher specifically tells you to stick to guns.
>>30106783
Okay, it took a while but I've remembered my pro-gun (Rather Anti-Regulation) argument of firearms.
My two points were as follows.
Point 1 is that Malicious Intent and Neglect are the only ways a person can cause "Gun Violence" or cause injury or death with a firearm.
Point 2 is that a gun can be kept in a manner that is completely safe.
Point 1 Argument (See my posted links to China Knife attacks.)
Obviously, Malicious Intent can't be argued with. A person, should they wish to conduct a massacre, can easily obtain another weapon that is capable of killing. Neglect however, is a discussed in Point 2.
Point 2
A firearm can be kept in a manner that is completely safe.
A firearm, unloaded, bayonet (If applicable) removed/secured back, safety engaged, and kept where it cannot fall on anyone's head, is absolutely safe. It is not inherently dangerous simply by existing, it is, however, dangerous should someone neglectful keep the firearm loaded, with the safety off, and in the reach of children.
In contrast, chemical weapons, unstable explosives, and biotoxins should be heavily regulated and kept stored in approved conditions and with the correct measures. Those items, simply by existing, are hazardous regardless of whether the person tasked with the responsibility of aforementioned chemicals, explosives, and toxins, is negligent or not. They are simply contained, and they cannot be truly safe unless they are destroyed or otherwise neutralized, thus rendering them safe due to the fact that they no longer exist as they did.
So my argument is this, what give the government the right to ban, or otherwise regulate an item that can only cause injury should the person operating the item have Malicious Intent or is otherwise Negligent?
>>30101140
can you explain? Never heard he didnt do it
>>30105819
are you retarded? theres multiple in there
>>30107061
>So my argument is this, what give the government the right to ban, or otherwise regulate an item that can only cause injury should the person operating the item have Malicious Intent or is otherwise Negligent?
The government already bans (from civilian hands) and regulates (for government use) chemical weapons, which, quite similarly to guns, can only cause injury if used neglectfully and/or with malicious intent.
>blah blah "hazardous simply by existing"
Man-made cocktails of explosives and dangerous chemicals are very seldomly radioactive or otherwise passively harmful to living organisms located in close vicinity.
Here in Burgerland, Hillary already said she wants to do something like Australia.
Here is a liberal site cheerleading that and framing it as a way to reduce the number of suicides
http://www.vox.com/2015/8/27/9212725/australia-buyback
>>30100538
Turned the country into a bunch of bootlicking cucks, so yes it did work. Suicides, home invasions, sexual assault and assaults were unaffected.
>>30100538
The intended role was to drastically alter Australia's urban culture to be unfamiliar and fearful of firearms.
In this aspect it has been successful, but we are slowly turning the tide, I think the weakest we have been was 99-2006 or so.
Literally hundreds of thousands potentially millions of semi-auto rifles are still out there, so in terms of removing semi-auto firearms from the community not so much. Amusingly makes the laws even less likely to have been effective when you consider there have been zero 'public place firearm rampage massacres where four or more people where shot dead' since '96, even with plenty of semi auto rifles out there for those who want them.
Firearm homicides continued to drop for awhile and now seems to have plateaued out, but if you do any trend analysis you see the downwards trend started around '88 and continued at the same rate after to about 07.
>>30106703
No they don't, the average person things regulating bows is fucking retarded nonsense.
>>30100817
>that daewoo
>>30107176
I should probably explain a little more.
>The government already bans (from civilian hands) and regulates (for government use) chemical weapons, which, quite similarly to guns, can only cause injury if used neglectfully and/or with malicious intent.
>Man-made cocktails of explosives and dangerous chemicals are very seldomly radioactive or otherwise passively harmful to living organisms located in close vicinity.
My argument isn't how it's used, rather how it's kept. Even in facilities with strict regulations and safety measures accidents happen, as rare as it might be. The chance of it causing injury or death to its surroundings is still possible even if it's contained, simply by existing in its dangerous state. The absolutely only way to make said chemicals weapons not dangerous is to destroy it.
Certain explosives are extremely sensitive to shock, heat, or other triggers. Biotoxins/Chemicals can leak. Of course it's understandable for a government to regulate it past a certain amount.
For chemical weapons, biotoxins, explosives, Malicious Intent and Negligence are not the only ways that can cause injury or death. The only way to keep it safe is to destroy it.
A firearm on the other hand, can be kept completely safe, without destroying it.
For firearms, Malicious Intent and Negligence are the only ways they can cause injury or death.
>>30107204
Rather debatable how making semi-auto rifles illegal was somehow able to reduce the number of people topping themselves. Most people don't need a second or third quick follow up when they blow their brains out after all.
Australia had two things occur around the same time as '96 that arguably have helped reduce suicide far more -
1)wide ranging mental health reforms that let people access professional services easier and more afforadably then ever before.
2)Unprecedented macroeconomic stability and growth, coinciding with the great moderation with the adoption of modern monetary policy but not being impacted by the dotcom bubble in any significant way, as well as avoiding the vast majority of the GFC.
>>30107329
Why do you trust the government to store and "regulate" said chemicals, when they are, quite obviously, a massive threat to your well-being if (when) decision makers or bureaucrats were to label you an unwanted and dangerous dissident?
>>30100538
This is hardly the least biased place to ask this question.
The answer is no though.
>>30100675
>>30100699
Since we're into sharing essays here's a couple I wrote that weren't published.
We need to challenge the nogunz and show that deep down they are nothing more than bootlickers, even if they don't realise it.
The Human Right to Self-Defence
>https://www.dropbox.com/s/fc0q7us901gyimp/2.%20The%20Human%20Right%20to%20Self-Defence.docx?dl=0
Possessing the Means to Resist Tyranny
>https://www.dropbox.com/s/550wo5l1vttb8bz/3.%20The%20Means%20to%20Resist%20Tyranny.docx?dl=0
>>30108209
Aight cool. I'll give 'em a read.
[spoiler]pls no bully for my name[/spoilersdon'twork]
>>30108209
>I ask you, if you accept the argument that you have no inherent right to protect yourself, your family or your property, that this is exclusively the role of the police and other government agencies what do you do when the State is not there to protect you, and what do you do if the State is the perpetrator of violence against you? Instead I argue that each and every one of us already hold the human right to self-defence, and it cannot be taken away by any law.
>>30108209
You guys have even less freedom than Kalifornia.
>>30110059
At least we can still buy new pistols.
>>30100817
DELET THIS
>>30110059
For now at least. In a few years us californians will be almost as bad as the bongs.
>>30108209
Summon the Ausfailians and their websites.
Hang the Government from the tallest tree.
>>30108209
>I ask you, if you accept the argument that you have no inherent right to protect yourself, your family or your property, that this is exclusively the role of the police and other government agencies what do you do when the State is not there to protect you, and what do you do if the State is the perpetrator of violence against you? Instead I argue that each and every one of us already hold the human right to self-defence, and it cannot be taken away by any law.
is... is this what it feels like to be an American?
>>30100538
absolutely
banning paintball, nerf and airsoft guns drastically lowered crime
>>30110944
ironically, Airshit is banned
>>30110950
so is 3/4 or paintball equipment and a lot of nerf guns
>>30110960
Dear god.
in another time, we would be clamoring for a coup.
>>30110960
*of
>>30110968
I know, if they get any worse I'm leaving the country.
This shits the ONLY thing I enjoy. Otherwise I'd still be on my ass all day everyday on the internet with nothing to do.
>>30105819
Less then a million real guns and air guns handed in total.....
>>30110980
Why did so many people just get skullfucked by the Media and Government portrayal of "evil babykiller deathmachines".
shit, even the fudds say shit like
>why do you need a 30rd clip assault rifle to take down a deer?
>you can down anything with a .303
>Adler's are scary
>at least we're not america, with shit like sandy hook happening every 3 weeks.
it fucking baffles me.
>>30111023
because people in this country love nothing more then an over reaching government that over regulates every aspect everything
dont like generic ball sports? gonna need a licence and expensive permits for that...
>>30111035
Since when did the Government become the "voice of all things moral and good".
In most respects, i just want the government to fuck off and leave me to my land I bought and the get their filthy hands off the guns I paid for with MY money.
>>30111067
australian politicians are like a bunch of old people who are literally interpreting the term nanny state, where instead of it being a dictatorship, they just bans stuff that might be a bit dangerous. They try and stop people from being able to make bad decisions.
Its not just guns. Its fucking everything.
>>30111023
Fudds will always Fudd.
>>30101891
this is somewhat on target. We are forcing children to learn to be victims by punishing anyone and everyone who fights. So if you get attacked by a bukky and fight back, you get in trouble. Sit there and take the besting till and adult comes and you get beat up repeatedly later on. Eventually the kid gets frustrated and snaps.
-or-
The kid gets coddled his whole life so he never learns to deal with disapointment. So when he gets a few minor failures he goes ape shit
>>30101891
>IMHO american shootings happens mostly because of weak mentality yet also supported by easy access to weapons
Most shootings happen because black people decide to shoot black people in drug related crime. The mass shootings the liberal media promote are a very small fraction of 1 % of shootings.
>>30111237
It's also because we don't have any form of universal mental healthcare. The result is state by state you have different systems and the crackpots manage to terrorize a few people into bootlicking.
>>30101891
>IMHO american shootings happens mostly because of weak mentality
this, boys get treated like broken girls in modern school/society
masculinity is a bad thing blah blah blah we all know how it ends
>>30111268
>masculinity
There's a theory that pre-internet there was no opportunity for the betas to feed off each other. The result is people go onto /r9k/ and have a circlejerk of betaness, then realize their dreams with an heroing the next day.
Loosening gun laws will never happen, in fact, i forsee them getting tighter, seeing as how parliament is fulled with Anti's and Marxists
>>30100846
Most rural people didn't hand in their guns, they just have them hidden on their property somewhere.
Rural areas are awash with illegal guns.
>>30111533
they werent illegal when they bought them
>>30100576
What?
>>30100538
It's intended role was to remove firearms from law abiding citizens, in that field it succeeded spectacularly.
>>30100817
F
>>30101001
I'd be willing to gay marry you if you want in. Just promise me you'll vote progun.
Considering its intended role was to disarm the plebeian populace for easy subjugating, absolutely.
>>30111565
I too am available for gay marrying services.
>>30111067
Australia and Australians in general have a huge culture of risk aversion. It's beaten into us from young age and carries through every aspect of our lives. FFS one of the things I remember most from Primary School was all the programs about health and safety and how to fill out of a fucking Risk evaluation (pic related)
When Australians have such a fetish for safety, it's not hard for the Government to take advantage of it with the public actually supporting it. I remember when the Liberals rammed through that fucking bullshit data retention shit and literally everyone at my workplace was like "it's a great idea, if you've got noting to hide then whats the issue". The issue is that if you go to court for anything, even DIVORCE they can read out your fucking browsing history and all the porn you watch in fucking public, even fucking employers can access your fucking metadata. Like what the fuck.
I give little fuck about guns, but the fact the Australian Government won't even fucking allow Airsoft or now the new NERF series guns under the fucking Gun Laws is fucking absurd.
>>30111596
>Banning NERF
Sauce?
This sounds like something Melbourne cunts would do, but I haven't heard about it.
>>30111565
>Just promise me you'll vote progun.
Not him, but nope.
1: Australia will never have gun relaxing laws. The vast majority of the Australian public fucking despises guns.
2: All the pro-gun parties are filled with other batshit nonsense that matters more to me than guns.
The LDP are basically insane and are just a front group for the tobacco and mining industry.
The Shooters and Fishers party are a bunch of extremely anti-environment rednecks who seem to have a bizarre hatred of everything National Parks stand for.
>>30111615
http://www.gizmodo.com.au/2015/11/australia-wont-get-nerfs-awesome-new-rival-blasters/
>>30111596
>"if you've got nothing to hide then whats the issue"
this bullshit, man.
sure, the ASICO can shoot my dog because it barked at a passing bus.
it's not like i have any feelings for the pupper
>>30111615
the nerf rival is banned in australia
but the piece de resistance is this fucking shit right here
http://www.breitbart.com/sports/2016/02/12/pro-basketball-teams-t-shirt-launcher-confiscated-in-light-of-australian-gun-control/
>>30111632
I'm very upset.
>>30107115
there's a conspiracy theory that basically says they had an operator do the shooting and then stitched up bryant because it was a good patsy - a moronic nutcase.
i'm only speaking from what i know of it, but a big piece of the argument comes from the accuracy with which he shot, particularly in the cafe where he hit most of the targets in the head in a single motion fired solely from the hip. there was also the fact that it was an operator because he fired 29 shots and reloaded with 1 in the breach which a retard lunatic probably wouldn't do.
>>30111632
>T-shirt launcher is Cat B
>>30110937
Just 10%.
>>30111649
Didn't he also hit an obscene number of headshots? I'm not sure how to say that that doesn't sound like I play too much CoD.
>>30111565
kek the ex-premier in QLD slightly reduced the red tape involved in getting a weapon license and people acted like he just released every inmate and armed them.
then the following year, the amount of weapon license applications rose higher than anyone, even the pro-gun lobby had predicted, and people were outraged and calling for more safeguards. that means people were literally requesting that more safeguards be in place to prevent people applying for permits, not even being granted them.
>>30111654
>australians all let us rejoice for we are young and... safe
>>30111616
>The LDP are basically insane and are just a front group for the tobacco and mining industry.
Smoking is voluntary and chink/indian pollution dwarfs any pollution stemming from your mining industry.
>The Shooters and Fishers party are a bunch of extremely anti-environment rednecks who seem to have a bizarre hatred of everything National Parks stand for.
National Parks are the least of your problems.
>>30111619
Holy fuck.
>>30111632
Shouldn't it be category A if anything?
It is a smoothbore.
>>30111660
Yes, for a lone, inexperienced shooter who is literally retarded and medicated, it is questionable to say the least.
>>30111660
yeah he nailed like 30 people, of which he killed 20. all 20 people were hit in the head in one pivot motion fired solely from the hip.
it's like the one aspect where i get a bit suss about it all. the rest have a myriad of explanations but the accuracy and the reload of a weapon that fires relatively quickly (50 rpm?) with 1 in the breach is just strange. very lucid behaviour for an apparent retard nutjob.
>>30111668
>being safe
>by being deprived of arms
This reasoning ought to be the definite proof of a bell-curve distribution of intelligence in the populace.
>>30111672
>anything other then catagory R
you sick fuck, why do you need a GUN
guns are made to kill people nothing else, do you plan on killing someone?
>>30111677
>>30111678
Man I don't really into conspiracy theories but that sounds, frankly, impossible. Every report of American major shootings has described at least some incompetence on the part of the perpetrator during the shooting (they're not professionals, ever, even high score Cho) but that seems way too perfect.
>>30111684
Please stop, we don't need satire, our entire fucking lives are satire.
>>30111684
it's too close to home, mate
>>30111687
>>30111693
>mention to people that airguns are controlled item
>watch their mental gymnastics as they slowly splurge out
>"well I guess I can see why, because....."
NO THEYRE FUCKING TOYS AND SPORTS EQUIPMENT
CAN NOT KILL UNLESS YOU USE THEM AS A CLUB
EVEN IF YOU ARE VERY ANTI GUN, WHY WOULD YOU WASTE POLICE RESOURCES ON TOYS WHEN THEY COULD BE FOCUSING ON REAL GUNS
but nooooooo.....
>>30111685
Well, I'm not a conspiracy theorist, I think the idea of a government willing to kill it's own citizens on the outlandish side of possibilities.
But there was that almost impossible accuracy (even if he weren't impaired), the quashing of the royal inquiry, the fact that the only morgue bus in the continent was just passing through an island that it had to be ferried to, plus the lack of legal representation given to Martin Bryant during his extended interrogation, in a manner similar to what they use for forced confessions on people of a sound mind.
>>30111714
Maybe it wasn't a false flag. A former operator could've actually gone postal and the australian government might've gone opportunist or just wanted to cover it up. Still, I cannot even begin to buy the official story.
>>30111685
keep in mind also, the entire shooting occurred in the space of 90 seconds. he got 20 headshots, fired from the hip, of targets not only running but also changing height due to getting up from tables and reloading with one chambered.
maybe it's retard luck but yeah, like i said, it's the one area where i'm most suspicious.
>>30111714
Forgot to add, the witnesses that, to this day in fact, claim it wasn't Martin Bryant, the lapses in timeline and the van that was seen leaving the scene.
It's also suspect that Eyebrows had the NFA drafted for over five years beforehand.
I personally don't know what to believe beyond the fact that there must have been more than one shooter; maybe someone who manipulated MB using his fragile mental state into being an accomplice or at least patsy.
I'm not going to claim the government was involved, but it does seem that private actors inside the government might have been involved in obscure ways, possibly not even known to most of them.
>>30111716
>>30111714
As much as it seems like a conspiracy.
I just feel like the australian government are way too stupid to do anything like this, saying its a conspiracy is giving them way too much credit.
>>30111716
Well, if they had an operator to pin it on, it might have worked for them even better.
>>30111742
see
>>30111716
The australian government might not've needed to conspire. They could've gotten lucky.
>>30111746
yeah but then there wouldnt be the ordinary citizen narrative
he'd be military, not a regular jack off with a legal gun like they told everyone
>>30111746
former operator has access to weapons though. he could hide his insanity or people could say "well he had a gun hidden from his active days".
bryant was a fucking lunatic and basically the worst candidate on earth for gun ownership.
>>30111749
See
>>30111737
It may not have been an actual government conspiracy, but the circumstances were very suspect, especially around the prosecution and the royal inquiry.
Possibly private actors were involved.
>>30111758
Of course, but it could have back fired for him, as Bryant was documented to be mentally retarded, mentally ill, under medication and was a suspect in a possible manslaughter/homicide case.
>>30111765
all they really had to do was push a very strong, air tight case and an emotional narrative that essentially demonises anyone who questions it.
it's exactly what resulted from sandy hook. the conspiracy theorists who questioned the legitimacy of it all or aspects of it were made to look like the worst people on earth
>>30111759
>Possibly private actors were involved.
It adds to suspicion when all these countries had a high profile shooting in the 90's, then shortly after enacted stricter gun laws.
>>30111684
>you sick fuck, why do you need a GUN
Because of this, of course
>guns are made to kill people nothing else
Firearms ownership is an act of self-preservation.
>>30100770
Lol. It was also funny how the red guards trashed historical parchments and pottery in China, wasn't it?
You're a faggot
Nope. Australia is a disarmed shithole with stupid laws. I'm moving to America once I get the chance.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_massacres_in_Australia
>>30100817
Fuck me. I know it was some impotent liberal faggot bullshit that claimed moral superiority to disarm, but it just doesn't even make sense. Why destroy them? Why? I look at how many of those I would have taken in and I get angry. They could have made so much fucking money just selling them to America and Americans. I mean, I know import and sale were a little fucking stupid at the time, but what the everloving fuck. All that money, all that fine gun, just wasted because they're a bunch of impotent, statist little faggots.
>>30100817
...As the conveyor trundles toward the rapidly rising heat a Garand and an SKS, 2 sworn enemies land next to each other. The SKS with tears says "I don't want to die dedushka" to the Garand. The Garand replies "Hush now, our battles are over". The Garand holds the SKS as they fall over the edge into the oblivion of the molten blood of their peers...
>>30112217
oh dude, no, i didnt deserve those feels for posting that.
Should i post the rest?
THIS COULD HAPPEN TO YOU, AMERICA.
Value your liberty America
do not become like us
>>30100538
All those guns...those poor, poor guns.
Picture if you had three mins to grab any thing out of the pile, what you grabbed you could keep.
>>30112363
Spot the K98
>>30112341
>>30112351
>>30112354
>>30112363
6 Million Rifles
>>30107204
One thing to note is that Hillary has said an Australian style gun ban will eliminate handgun ownership. She's either lying (entirely likely) or has confused Australia's gun laws with the U.K.
Honestly, I don't know how much of the misinformation our anti gun politicians spew is lying and how much is ignorance.
>>30110944
Banning airsoft, paint ball and Nerf seems silly until you realize it's as much about eliminating gun culture as anything else.
>>30112922
Because if you eliminate those fun activities, you wont have a bunch of young people wondering how fun actual firearms are, a group that might move to have the gun bans repealed.
>>30100817
May the Murder/k/ube deal a just blow to those who did this.
>>30100699
Liberal chicks secretly love men who know the importance of using guns to protect their loved ones.
Confirmed your teacher craves that dick.
>>30111784
Here's something to consider. The only county without restrictive gun laws is the U.S.
The U.S. was the first to enact a widespread outright ban with our 1994 Assault Weapons Ban. However, the ban was watered down substantially from its original draft. The original draft called for a total ban and confiscation. The final version allowed existing guns under the ban to be "grandfathered" in. And a compromise was reached to allow at least two "evil features" per gun, which allowed manufacture of the AR-15 to continue with flash hinders and bayonet mount deleted. And legislators had to agree to a ten year sunset clause.
As much as I'd like to claim the legislation was watered down because of "Muhammad Second Amendment" and "Shall Not Be Infringed", I don't believe that this is the case.
As I said before, the U.S. was the first country to enact sweeping legislation banning whole categories of guns. But or legislature did so with no mass shooting to give it the emotional appeal to shove it through under altered, so it was heavily watered down.
I believe the governments of the U.K. and Australia took note and either waited for an opportunity or made one. Dunblaine killed two birds with one stone in the U.K. It allowed the government to eliminate witnesses in a potential child sex ring scandal that eventually broke a decade later and allowed them to use emotional appeal to shove extensive legislation through Parliament.
Whether it was a false flag or not, Port Aurther afforded the Australian government the same opportunity.
Basically, here in the U.S. we dodged a bullet. Our politicians had buck fever and shot to early. The watered down law allowed us to grow our gun culture.
Unfortunately, the governments of the U.K. and Australia learned from our legislators "mistakes" and waited for the right opportunity to strike.
Or made their own opportunity. Your call as to what you want to believe. Either way, sorry, Australia bros. We were the buck that got away.
>>30112354
It almost did. We dodged that bullet because our government was the first to try it and didn't use a false flag to gin up support for it.
Sandy Hook was like a "to little, to late" attempt to do so after the American firearms community had nearly two decades to grow and build political resistance after the 94 AWB was enacted (incompetently).
>>30112108
They could fund more "urban demographic" welfere programs for that money.
>>30100699
DS pls
>>30113260
>>30113311
There are two things that prevented the wide spread gun control that afflicts the UK and Aus. 1. was a gun culture that is ingrained deeply in some parts of the country which would either disobey the laws or out right revolt if a ban was passed 2. Lobbyist groups like the NRA which are able to buy some politicians and ensured the bill had some of it's teeth removed. Like or not the only two things that seem to stop gun grabbers is the threat of potential violence and money to "motivate" their political rivals.
>>30101632
they were not destroyed? Wat.
>>30113472
sup nerd.
>>30113775
When gun owners in America talk about disliking the NRA they severely misunderstand just how important real lobbying power is.
>>30113981
THIS
every gun owner who doesn't like the NRA should be forced to live in australia for a decade.
>>30113981
>>30114376
I grudgingly accept the NRA, how's that? I wish they'd drop the Christian attitude and openly accept Muslims, atheists, ect.
>>30114401
What the fuck do Muslims and Athiests have to do with gun rights?
Are we going to have to have a "Gun Rights+" campaign where we all check our privileges and take an intersectional view at how gun laws effect trans-racial demi-sexual pan-gender muslimkin the most?
>>30114401
Lmao what?
They accept everyone you fuckin' feeb and i have yet to see any christian slant on any of their official shit
>source: atheist & LGBT who appreciates the NRA
>>30114430
Nothing, I just hate how they pride themselves on being a wholesome Christian organization with traditional family values.
>>30113260
>>30113311
>>30113775
Jesus, this should be in the sticky or something.
I've been browsing here for years and never really knew about Dunblaine or Port Arthur, so I never saw the dots connected.
I think its worth mentioning for posterity that the 1994 AWB passed on 13 September 1994, Dunblane happened on 13 March 1996, and Port Arthur on 28–29 April 1996.
>>30114827
Although you're not totally correct in claiming that there was no emotional motivation / triggering incident. From Wikipedia's article on the AWB:
>Efforts to create restrictions on "assault weapons" at the federal government level intensified in 1989 after 34 children and a teacher were shot and five children killed in Stockton, Calif. using a semi-automatic AK-47 rifle.[1][2][3] The July 1993 101 California Street shooting also contributed to passage of the ban. The shooter killed eight people and wounded six. Two of the three firearms he used were TEC-9 semi-automatic handguns with Hellfire triggers...
Also interesting:
> In May 1994, former presidents Gerald Ford, Jimmy Carter, and Ronald Reagan, wrote to the U.S. House of Representatives in support of banning "semi-automatic assault guns."...
I should probably also mention for those who don't know that the bill was authored by Dianne Feinstein.
>>30107204
The suicide thing is such a hoax.
If guns suddenly didn't exist then there would probably be some decrease in successful suicides. But not at all to the extent people believe.
Japan leads the first world in suicide rates with no guns whatsoever. Another attempt at trying to put a liberal legislative band aid on a cultural problem.
The problem is that the same people who support such legislation would be perfectly happy to steamroll the rights of a. 100 million people to save a thousand.
They consider this a selfish argument. And it is. But my rights should not be curtailed because of the failed mental state of a few others.
>>30112845
Well, in any case, I have no doubt that Hillary will ban handguns if she gets the chance.
>>30100817
F
>>30114891
>Ronald Reagan
The more I learn about him the more I dislike him.
>>30115074
Reagan, Clinton, and FDR are criminally overrated.
>>30114909
Off-topic, but I've always wondered if American suicides were ever effected by the whole 'emo' thing middle schoolers had in the early '10s
>>30113260
You're forgetting Hungerford though
>>30115074
Reagan was no friend of firearms. Any Republican who holds him up as a god is an enemy of the Second Amendment, because they're either indifferent on the issue, a genuine Fudd, or a Reagan Democrat.
>>30116306
>>30115074
this desu senpai
>>30100817
if that's a 1897 I see, someone's about to die
>>30115074
Reagan was a great patriot but just completely wrong on guns.
It's okay to disagree with heroes on some things.
>>30112217
Fuck I didn't ask for this Anon
Going to clean my commie gats now
>>30116433
Can I also disagree with him about the Iran-Contra affair?
>>30112454
We have not forgotten our smelly upside-down colonial brothers. One day we will bring you justice, or a quick, painless death to sooth your suffering.
>>30112845
I won't be surprised if Hillary had people killed to get what she wants.
She's just so goddamn hateable.
>>30112922
Right, did they ban video games, shows, and movies too? Those drive gun culture as well.
>>30116306
He was seriously the most overrated president of the 20th century. Fuck his lying dementia-riddled ass.
>>30117392
As must small tit porn. They banned that too.
>>30112922
I'm genuinely surprised that they haven't banned laser tag yet.
>>30118745
Didn't they try?
>>30115014
She will need to appoint new Justices to the Supreme court to undo the recent decisions if she wants to ban handguns.
>>30100699
>Australia doesn't have a constitution
Mkay
>>30100576
Are you retarded?
>>30119427
Australia's constitution is basically just "We do what we want, fuck the peasantry".
>>30101736
What's the problem they didn't even call it a fully levematic assault cannon?
>>30119427
Yeah, you can blame that on my poor wording man
>>30111616
confirmed for never reading or listening in to discussion of the SFFP
>>30111616
>The LDP are basically insane and are just a front group for the tobacco and mining industry
I know, right? How dare anybody ever have the ability to live their own lives?
They belong to us! They should do exactly what we want all of the time!
>>30119485
Hey there is a requirement for the commonwealth to provide you with just compensation when taking your property.
>>30117392
Actually, they kind of did for awhile. It wasn't an outright ban. But various parents groups put enormous pressure on the television industry to ban violence. A classic example was what happened to the tv show Starsky and Hutch. For its time, it was a gritty cop drama with mature subject matter. And the edicts came down from the networks. Violence had to go. Suddenly, you couldn't show someone being punched, much less shot. So rather than neuter the show, the producers cancelled it at the height of its popularity.
The edicts led to shows that were full of what amounted to cartoon violence like the A Team where things blew up and lots of shooting went on, but nobody ever got hurt. The trend was broken by the string of rated R action movies and then the show Miami Vice.
>>30123090
This was in the U.S. should have said that first.
>>30122110
I am not sure how he could be under the impression that the SFFP hates national parks.
They oppose the parks being turned into poorly managed weed and feral animal sanctuaries which no one is allowed to do shit in but that is about it.
Honestly the National Parks near me are filled with deer and other ferals. I see heaps more native animals and non lantana filled forest on my own land that I properly manage and keep the shit out of.
>>30112693
>There were 6 million of them
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AM0JE3IED7w
>>30111657
The second 10%
>>30114909
>If guns suddenly didn't exist then there would probably be some decrease in successful suicides.
Try "absolutely" and you're right, most suicides are spur of the moment decisions and firearms are without a doubt extremely effective at killing people. Really it's a no-brainer, but that doesn't mean firearms = suicides like the regressive left keeps saying, it just means that firearms = -successful- suicides. With or without them the fact that people are killing themselves for whatever reason should be the primary concern, but you and I both know differently.
Lives saved has never, ever been a part of the gun control agenda.
>>30127073
Well actually the NFA didn't have any measurable impact on the suicide rate.
So unless the attempted suicide rate suddenly rose at exactly the right amount to make the effect of the NFA invisible, I'm going to go ahead and say that it didn't have any effect.
>>30127073
>Well actually the NFA didn't have any measurable impact on the suicide rate.
You're implying the NFA "banned" guns that were used in suicides, (they weren't) and I'm not even sure why you've brought up the NFA at all. This isn't a conversation about SBRs and FA, and show me the number of suicides by method in the 30's and 40's because last I checked nobody was counting like that on a national level back then.
I quoted,
>If guns suddenly didn't exist then there would probably be some decrease in successful suicides.
not,
>If some specific guns were outlawed then there would probably be some decrease in successful suicides.
If you're trying to make me disregard you as a retard this is a great way to do it, what a stupid post.
Forgot to include >>30127505 when I made >>30127616
>>30127616
The *Australian* NFA, you fucking cuck.
i.e. the one which this entire thread is about.
>>30127647
>The *Australian* NFA, you fucking cuck.
>i.e. the one which this entire thread is about.
Be specific I guess? I wasn't aware it was called "the NFA" just like "the NFA" in the United States. That still doesn't change this:
>>30127616
>I quoted,
>>If guns suddenly didn't exist then there would probably be some decrease in successful suicides.
>not,
>>If some specific guns were outlawed then there would probably be some decrease in successful suicides.
Your NFA didn't outlaw all guns and it certainly didn't make them "go away" as evident by your own government saying the buyback was an abysmal failure. Those that weren't turned in or were otherwise legal to own were thus available for suicides, but sure, if you want to stubbornly refuse to use common sense then have at it, Australian.
>>30127728
What are you even on about? Just stop posting.
The NFA had no measurable effect on homicide or suicide rates. This is what the evidence says.
And if you're too autistic to realise, that's the Australian NFA, not the NFA in any other country which also uses that same acronym.
>>30127761
>What are you even on about?
You disputed this: >>30127073 presumably because you're an Australian and have a pathological need to argue about everything. If you cannot figure out that "magically no guns" = less spur of the moment self-inflicted fatalities then I don't know what to tell you, I can't make you figure out something so painfully simple. That aside I said clearly that firearms were never the issue, rather the cause of suicide was the true concern. I also said that gun-grabbers have never been interested in truly saving peoples lives, and I was implying that they use dead people as political leverage.
Jesus Christ even when I'm advocating for you fucking people you still manage to be insufferable pieces of shit.
>>30127880
>The evidence must be wrong because it disagrees with my notions of "common sense"
Want me to keep saying it?
The NFA had no effect on suicide rates.
>>30127904
>The NFA had no effect on suicide rates.
This is going to be my last reply to you, so pay attention you gasoline-huffing son of a bitch: Your NFA had no positive effect on anything. Crime didn't drop. Suicide rates didn't drop. "Bikies" started shooting each other with homemade guns. Illegal firearms are all over the place.
You were a retard for bringing it up in the first place, I called you out on it, and you've been arguing against a point I never made ever since.
>>30114430
Stop watching MSNBC you idiot.
>>30113311
Plus what they never count on is the extremely large number of Democrats who own guns.
UBC were guaranteed to pass after Sandy Hook. All libs had to do was keep their mouths shut. Well we all know that's impossible. They went full retard with ridiculous lies about buying machine guns at Walmart, being able to buy machine guns without even having to show ID, eleventy billion murders, can't walk the streets without getting shot, AR15 is a high powered rifle, AR15 is a large caliber rifle, NOBODY uses AR15 for hunting, "OMG it's a war machine!!!", turn an AR15 into a machine gun with just a file herp derp, and Joe Biden claiming women are too stupid to aim an AR15, telling his wife to "fire two blasts into the air" with a double barrel shotgun to scare off intruders while simultaneously committing a felony, putting his neighbors lives at risk (not to mention the SS agents who surround his house) and leaving herself defenseless with an empty shotgun. Then he claimed he told her to shoot through a door if she was scared (not having any idea who was on the other side).
Even Dem gun owners were shaking their heads to say, "WHAT THE FUCK? None of these assholes have any idea what they're talking about". Not only that, but they suddenly realized the guy pretending to be an expert, Biden, is the one guy that's most definitely too stupid to own a gun.
Dems have no one to blame for defeating UBC but themselves. They turned their own supporters against them. Even the most rabid lib supporter couldn't help but be embarrassed by the loony BS coming from Obama, Biden, Pelosi, Bloomberg, and all the others.
