Is this the best WW2 rifle ?
>>30093794
Easily.
>>30093794
The m1 carbine was bretty gud 2
>>30093794
Nope
>>30093828
The M1 Carbine was thrown together as quickly as possible and had tons of reliability issues
That's not an SVT40, so no
>GET OFF MY LAWN
>>30093896
>had tons of reliability issues
no more so than the Garand or any other semi-auto of the time. It was the 40's.
also
>Pederson blowback design
>waxed cartridges
>complicated manufacture
>best
posting snowflake shit you don't know about to try and seem smart only proves that you're retarded.
>>30093916
>SVT40
>good
Didn't it have major short term and long term reliability issues?
>>30093794
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>>30093896
Jap gun couldn't even work without lubed cases and only saw action when the mainland was officially fucked.
Rotary mag less than ideal for combat condition or reloading
But damn was it beautiful. If they could of fielded them, made more SMGs, and kept the zero relevant, they might of been able to stall a ng enough for a cease fire agreement
>>30093989
It's funny that if the ordnance department hadn't been sitting on their asses, the US would have effectively had the M14 for WW2.
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>>30093965
No it had many more reliability issues than the Garand, mainly due to the spring layout, they were generally too weak to reliably cycle the gun. The Early Universal Carbines fixed this by adding a second spring
Also
> Tries to call me out on my rifle choice
> has no Idea what that rifle even is
That rifle, even though it is a toggle lock, it's not a Blowback, rather a gas piston. It didn't need lubricated ammo, nor was it complex to manufacture due to the fact the tolerances didn't need to be as precise as a traditional toggle lock delayed blowback
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>>30094020
>tfw I cut up a Garand with a torch
>>30094026
>>30094015
>even though it is a toggle lock, it's not a Blowback
semantics- it still relies on the exact amount of friction on the carrier and recoil impulse to operate. But hey, it's not like anyone, especially the Japanese had issues with logistics to maintain rifles or quality control on ammunition.
>>30094020
Gotta put some oil on that stock.
>>30093794
Best in terms of ability, meaningless in terms of overall impact.
>>30094015
Yes faggot we get it you watch forgotten weapons.
The universal carbine getting a second spring and the japanese pederson rifle were both recent episodes.
please stop trying to seem smart
>>30094103
What a shame that it wasn't built to last
>>30093968
Some did, due to poor maintenance and manufacturing difficulties. It's not endemic to the design though.
Which brings the question of how you define "best". As a design the SVT 40 has several advantages over the Garand. But it wasn't as cheap or easy to make as the Mosin and so never reached full scale production like Stalin wanted. So does that make it worse, because it couldn't fit the needs of the military it was designed for? What about experimental designs like the MAS 40? The outgrowth of that would be the best rifle of the era (the Mas 44, 49, and 49/56) so should that be the answer for best?
>>30093993
>keep the zero relevant
It became irrelevant as soon as Spitfire pilots in indochina learned to use vertical maneuvres and when Wildcat pilots figured out the Thatch weave. It was only exacerbated by things like the P-38 and F6F.
>>30094137
If you were going into a SHTF scenario and had to take one WW2 or WW1 rifle, what would your 1st, 2nd and 3rd choices be?
>>30094150
Hence the keep relevant part. They didn't even try and adapt outside that super secret nazi level plane.
Not literally keep the zero, but there's no other advanced models, so come up with new names on your own
>>30094181
Garand
Springfield
Nugget
for common ammo, parts, durability, and reliability.
equip the Garand with an adjustable gas plug and Holbrook device. reloading will be a bit slower but at least you're not scrounging through the dirt looking for clips every time you use it.
>>30094181
Depends, is this long term all my liffe SHTF inna woods living 'The Road' shit or short term SHTF?
If it's long term, having to scrounge parts over the course of my life.
1. k98 for absolute longevity and a powerful round
2. No4 Mk1 for best blend of practicality and reliability
3. M1 for greatest firepower
Short
1. The M1, I won't have to worry about replacing springs etc after a few decades
2. No4 Mk1, most practical bolt action and best blend of attributes
3. k98, the fact that the extractor will last 100 years doesn't matter here.
>>30094135
>not built to last
>still used to keep gooks off the front lawn whom back in Korea you'd stack 5ft high
Pls anon
>>30094236
Actually, no, fuck it. I'd take a M1917 over a k98 in either instance. All the pros of the Mauser but with better sights.
>>30094242
It's just as solid in terms of construction, but there are more parts to wear out and faster. I'm talking about 'this is your rifle for the rest of your life' kind of thing. A semi-auto will likely need more maintenance that a bolt action in the long run.
>>30094181
Of those conflicts? Either the Mas 36 or the SVT 40. The Mas 36 is reliable, accurate, and simple, the SVT has better capacity and a optics option if I wanted/needed it.
>>30094305
Oh, forgot my 3rd choice. M1917 Eddystone. Great sights and 30-06 with 6 rounds.
>>30093968
Only in the hands of vodka niggers who weren't used to maintaining guns that required any real disassembly.
Germans loved their captured SVTs (their own autoloaders were both rare and trash), and so did the Russian units that weren't comprised of illiterate dirt farmers conscripted from some shithole east of Ural.
Both guns had their advantages. The M1 has better sights (by a long shot), better potential for accuracy, a more durable stock and higher practical ROF (once you empty the mag on the SVT, topping it off using stripper clips isn't exactly fast).
The SVT was lighter, had better capacity, adjustable gas and if the Soviets got rid of the doctrine of carrying one box mag and topping it off using 5rd clips, and instead moved on to multiple box mags per rifleman, it would result in higher practical ROF, beating even the M1.
(That might or might not have been viable at the time, because the mags wouldn't feed if the tolerances stacked up wrong.)
Yes
>>30094344
>cause the mags wouldn't feed if the tolerances stacked up wrong.
As a machinist, stacked tolerances means something a bit different to me than most. Do you mean the QC wasn't tight enough for all the mags to be interchangeable and had to be a matched part?
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>>30094007
Friendly reminder the Garand was made by a Canadian
>>30094181
Easy peasy
>M1 Carbine
>STG 44
>Ag m/42
>>30093794
No, the M1 carbine was vastly superior.
>>30094137
You absolutely cannot discount manufacturing quality when judging a small arms performance. If I make a rifle that requires tolerances greater than what a country can realistically handle for mass production, it would be unfair to so simply ignore that point when evaluating it. It's like saying the M50 was the best SMG that the US fielded based solely off of what it could have potentially been.
>>30094470
>Do you mean the QC wasn't tight enough for all the mags to be interchangeable and had to be a matched part?
Yes. Some combinations will work, some will not. Some SVTs work fine with aftermarket mags, some won't feed for shit with anything other than the mag they came with.
>>30094479
Friendly reminder he's a Canadian by birth only and moved the US when he was like 4.
>>30094507
Hence my statement. It all depends on what criteria you use to define best.
>>30094522
Friendly reminder that it doesn't matter because the Garand is trash, as is any rifle in 30-06.
>>30094522
still counts
>>30094181
M1 Carbine, because light. Then M1917- does everything you'd want a Garand to do in a similar situation, but none of the hangups that may come with semi-auto. Then No 4 Mk 2 Enfield, then a 98k, mostly out of personal preference out of the rifles I own.
I might be a little bit of a fudd
>>30094542
>guaranteed replies
>>30094507
Also, the rifle was designed to be produced and issued in peace time. Not when you have 2 million Germans invading. So should you use the conditions it was designed for, or the conditions that it was built in? And if you're using manufacturing ability/quality control as a point of contention, are you saying that said rifle would still be best if another country made it? Suppose for a second that the Garand was made by the Russians and the SVT by America. Would the Garand still be the best?
>Philosophy of a Internet argument
>>30094543
Garand was more American than our president
>>30094499
The .30 carbine is a very weak cartridge for a primary weapon (which in all fairness the M1 carbine normally wasn't). There is a reason why people compare it to PDW cartridges.
>>30093916
Call me when the SVT has the Garand's sights, overall feeding reliability, quality consistency, and factory stock set that isn't prone to splitting. Otherwise, about the only thing the SVT has on the M1 is mag capacity and the ability to use detachable mags (although that last one isn't that big of a factor considering, again, the SVT could be picky as all fuck with what mags it could reliably use).
>>30094527
Fair enough, but it is very difficult to objectively prove the "best engineered service rifle" when including rifles that were seldom used or only prototypes.
>>30094558
keep telling yourself that
>>30094567
>.30 carbine = 967 ftlbs
>5,45x39mm = 979 ftlbs
>Believing the stopping power meme
kys desu senpai
>>30093794
Relevant.
https://youtu.be/o2idYNKWGm4
>>30094591
Well my overall point is that "best" anything is subjective. Also I'm being a philosophical hipster. In the terms we generally recognize the Garand would be the best.
lmfao this beat your girly faggot guns to berlin
>>30094598
the difference is 5.45 is much higher velocity, so more useable at range. And benefits from 30 years' better bullet design. Even plain shit 7N6 has better terminal effect than FMJ .30 Carbine.
2 different things that don't really need to be compared 2bh
>>30094598
Grow up and get a 7.62x39, a big boy intermediate
>>30094587
No one asked for your input
>>30094598
>Mussle energy is all that matters, which is why my .44 magnum is better than your .223 rifle in combat situations.
>>30094660
*Muzzle
>>30094634
>>30094651
>B..but my feelings!
>>30094660
Not at all. That's why I picked .30 Carbine over the Garand. Pay attention so you don't look like a moron.
>>30094659
Aight.
>>30094679
>Picking one or the other
come on anon. You need both.
is it THEORETICALLY REMEMBER THAT WORD possible to convert an M1 to full retard THEORETICALLY MR ATF, I DONT ACTUALLY WANT TO
jesus christ I shouldnt have to type like this
>>30094707
It's not theoretically possible, it's 100% totally really possible. It's just illegal.
>>30094686
>durrhurrr I sure showed him
>>30094707
yes, don't know why you'd want to though. Same shit as the M14's full fun mode
I'm assuming you mean Garand, but you can obviously convert a Carbine to M2 configuration too
>>30094707
Yeah, with shoestring. Just like any other gat with a reciprocating bolt. Not worth the prison time desu.
>>30094243
Love my Mauser. Not the sights. Find it difficult to get a low enough cheek rest to effectively use the sights. Is this a common problem or am I doing something wrong?
>>30094728
He has both of the guns you were comparing, so he kinda did.
For some reason I doubt you have either of them.
>>30094728
Is there a reason you're so upset?
>>30094707
Documented instances of soldiers doing just that, so it's perfectly possible. The question is, legality aside, why you would convert a 30-06 rifle with all of 8 rounds capacity in a traditional stock to gigglemode.
>>30094707
Same with a carbine, m1a, or mini-14.
>>30094627
>literal shit
Ok
>>30094829
>Mosin
>Literal shit
Ok.
>>30094870
Its not literally shit, but its definitely not the best. Sights are sub par, not that good of a trigger, but it is reliable and cheap.
>>30094895
Exactly.
M1 wins competitions, mosin wins wars.
>>30093794
Best rifle? No. That goes to the STG.
Best rifle that actually saw combat in significant numbers? Absolutely.
>>30094931
yes
Japan was brought down on the ground by the Mosin, not the superior firepower of the Americans
>>30094870
You forgot
>pick two
>>30094991
Or, ya know, no.
>>30094931
>mosin wins wars
Zerg tactics wins wars when you have enough manpower.
>>30095029
Well, there goes the thread.
The garand wasn't the best design in 1938, let alone during the war
The garand/m14 action is very unreliable.
>>30095041
It's funny because the AK family is basically just an enclosed Garand action. Probably why they failed the mud test desu.
>>30095041
>The garand/m14 action is very unreliable.
compared to it's peers, the Garand action is fine. It's only now that we can compare it to modern firearms that it seems unreliable.
>Garand
>M1 Carbine
>M1903
Anything is else is wrong and you're a fucking Communist.
>>30094181
garand or nugget just because ammo.
>>30095086
>Putting mud directly into the bolt with a shovel simulates a combat environment
>>30095086
>It's funny because the AK family is basically just an enclosed Garand action.
I don't have a reaction pic smug enough to properly show you just how stupid this is.
>>30095763
>Putting mud directly into the bolt with a shovel
You could at least be subtle with the damage control.
>>30095859
D: but 4chaners are supposed to have reaction pics like that! Saying you don't have one means we can't laugh.
.gif related to my feelings when you didn't have a pic to trounce anon with.
>>30095935
canttellifserious.jpg
is this summer?
>>30095029
but they used SMGs for that
>>30095866
That's not damage control, that's what they literally did. A more accurate representation of a mud test would have been the Battle Rifle Mud Test that Ian and Karl did instead
>>30094558
That's not saying much, considering he's a black liberal cuck.
>Mfw used to absolutely hate M1 Garand
>Used to think "Oh stupid shitty American guns, I much prefer my Lee Enfield and Kar 98."
>Try shooting a M1
>Its amazing
Im sorry America.
>>30095980
>that's what they literally did
No it isn't, which is why it's damage control.
And the AK shits the bed even with its dust cover closed and without really trying to get any of it inside.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=synlZgnTnXg#
>>30094484
Replace carbine with garand and you're good
>>30094542
>garand is trash
How much dick have you been smoking
>>30096010
Nope. They literallly poured mud on the rifle with a shovel. Thing is that the AR was designed to prevent the muck from getting in with a sealed system, however, once a particle gets in, your basically fucked with jams and firld stripping. Pic very related since you most likely weren't in this thread.
>1/2
>20 round mag
>Select fire w/ open auto and closed semi
>Same length as K98
>800m accuracy pass with Nazi tests
>Integrated bipod
Although I think these are great rifles and would have been really scary to go up against in large numbers(everyone has 5-10 round semiautos and bolt actions vs basically LSW's everywhere) I think they had reliability issues when they were lightly damaged due to them being built with the least materials possible and the bipods weren't good. Not sure about expenses but overall I think these were great rifles for their time.
>>30096061
>poured mud on the rifle with a shovel
>Putting mud directly into the bolt
Now these are two wildly fucking different things.
>>30096061
In short, that test was and is flawed. It doesn't simulate a battlefield environment nor does it simulate what would most likely happen to a foot soldier if he dropped his rifle (As if they'd do that). A more likely scenario of the rifle jamming up in the mud would be the Battle Rifle mud test.
>>30096000
Wat
>>30096093
He's obviously talking about Barack Obama.
>>30096083
Ah, excuse my english, its my second language. What I meant to say was that pouring mud directly unto the rifle with a tool is flawed, let alone an inaccruate description of a combat environment. Crawling, or going through heavily muddy soil prone is a most likely scenario of having your rifle jammed.
>>30096010
>all that fucking wet sand
No wonder it failed, you don't heavily lube an AK.
>>30096149
>No wonder it failed
Indeed. It's an AK, after all.
>>30094587
>detachable mags
unlike in Call of Duty, troops were often issued stripper clips. box magazines were in short supply during much of the Eastern Front shitfest, so they followed the British model in regards to magazines and stripper clips.
>>30095709
>Beats itself to death through normal use.
Still a neat rifle, but the weight requirements it had to adhere to really gimped its durability.
>>30096190
No because they over lubed it.
>>30096265
>tfw I will never own the rifle that won us two world wars
I don't know why I come on /k/ as a Brit it just makes me miserable.
>>30096501
I'm french man, the only thing I see on /k/ about France are jokes that include withe flags.
>>30096468
>TEH AK WILL NEVAR JAM, IT IS UNDEADABLE
>*AK dies after one shot, non-trash guns keep going*
>HUURR YUO USED IT WRONG
Slavaboos and their vodka nigger worship. Never fails to entertain.
>>30096550
You never go to the milsurp threads do you? We basically jack off over Mas and Lebels.
>>30096067
They were the f-35 of wwii.
Broken by stupid design requirements.
>>30094543
It doesn't matter where you're born, as soon as you migrate to America and get your citizenship, you're American.
>>30096642
no, you do. Only you.
Everyone else is pretty much neutral on frogshit
>>30094344
Reliability-wise SVT-40 tends to be quite a finicky design - I have one and I have shot quite a few competitions (think 2-gun with military firearms that have be designed by year 1945) with it. Whatever one does they still fail to feed round to chamber very now and then. It also was not so popular with the Finns and the Germans because it would have been so excellent, but because first there never was enough semiauto rifles available and it provided more firepower than bolt-action rifles.
BTW: At least early on SVT-40 was apparently usually issued with multiple (2 or 3) mags. After trying various techniques I now use SVT-40 with three (original) mags, but only load each of them with only 8 rounds max.
Garand M1 was better, but Sturmgewehr was the best.
>>30097754
Except Arisuka, and NC, and Trenchgun....ya know, the regulars.
>>30099696
>the regulars
This is not how /k/ is supposed to be. So all the attentionwhores who think that people should recognize them and think they're different and special compared to just another /k/omrade.
Precisely why generals are cancerous.
>>30096550
I often post about other cool French tech, like Mirage and Mystere fighters. Dassault is always cool in my book.
>>30096265
An infantryman was typically issued with 2 magazines, maybe more, especially if you were in the hilarious Naval infantry. Not saying the detachable magazine feature was heavily utilized or even encouraged during combat, but for a shooter today, it is a real factor.
>>30094135
They are still used in Syria and many other countries. Most countries won't use them because they are associated with the Nazis.
>>30093794
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>>30093989
>>30094000
>>30094007
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>>30096265
nope.
>>30094103
maybe
>pic related
>>30093794
It's not a K31 anon
>>30102203
>he actually thinks the johnson was better than the garand.
Shit special snowflake taste, enjoy your complicated, semi functional mechanism.
>>30102250
You are still worse than him, the swiss were filthy mountain cowards.
>>30095859
>I know nothing about the Kalashnikov/Garand action the post
>>30102256
Wut? Mountain cowards? Better take History lessons again my /k/omrad
>>30102250
I want a K31 more than I want to get up tomorrow morning. Are they still ~$500 or have they gone up?
>>30102320
$50-150 in Switzerland, don't know how much they cost in the US
M2 Carbine rechambered for 5.56.
>>30094479
>Thinking i care
Sam Colt was mormon still made great gats
>>30094181
no4mark1 - versatility, speed, capacity
p14 or m1917 - same as above plus enhanced accuracy and long term durability, best sights, 5 rounds instead of ten though.
m44 - short and handy, durability
Reliability 10/10 for all 3
>>30102203
I do agree my fine sir, I do agree.
>>30094634
>velocity
Kek
>>30102320
Closer to $700 on average now.
>>30094870
Aren't you the trip fag that only has a couple of poorfag guns?
>>30096852
>Step out of the jungle with an IQ of 70 and intact barbaric beliefs
>Cross the border into the USA
>You are now an american
People like you are the reason our country is going to shit
>>30102567
No. Not even slightly.
>>30094103
>tfw you will never own an authentic WW2 STG44
Presidents killed: 1
>>30103335
im surprised he could hit him you cant hit the broad side of a barn with that thing
the french berthier rifle either carbine or long rifle really good stopping power it deserves its spot in the sun
>>30093794
If it had been finished on schedule, that is if the Nazis hadn't taken Belgium and forced the creator to flee, it would have been the FN-49
>>30104115
and if the war had dragged on it would have been the AK-47
>hypotheticals
>>30104141
If the french could of built them in mass on time then it'd of been the MAS-49
>>30094470
Yep. If an SVT was made out of spec they found a magazine it worked with and pushed it out the door.
>>30094002
Never thought of it that way, that's actually pretty great.
>>30094518
>Some SVTs work fine with aftermarket mags
I'd like to see that. And I'm not saying it's because the SVT is a picky bitch when it comes to mags, it's the fact that the aftermarket mags are fucking garbage compared to the originals and feed like garbage.
>>30094181
1. SVT-40
2. M38
3. M91/30
Plentiful ammo. Generally speaking I think it would be foolish to pick a bolt action for any realistic SHTF scenario when you have semi autos available. However, if we're talking about a global reset button that puts us back in the stone ages, Mad Max style, I'd take a Mosin.
>>30105506
Going to have to second this. I bought two aftermarket mags and they won't even seat in either of my SVT-40s.
>>30093794
> Garand
> best rifle of WW2
you probably think that pic related was the best SMG of WW2 too
