You are transported to 1894 New York as a beat cop under Roosevelt with a gun of the period, what is your choice of side arm to remove societal detritus and deter hooliganism? Would Teddy approve?
Mare's Leg in .45-70.
Akimbo Borchardts.
Remington New Model Army 1890 in 44-40 with a spare cylinder, a standard hardwood truncheon, and a heavy chain with a large bolt through it.
TR would be my wingman, and he'd think I was rather a nut.
Double action Merwin Hulbert revolver in .44-40.
I don't know if Teddy would approve since its not chambered in whatever mediocre caliber New York police were using at the time.
>>30065926
He apparently thought a shotgun salesman walking into his office with a concealed shotgun and firing off a tube full of blanks was a brilliant pitch so I can't imagine he'd care too much.
>>30065739
I'd pick a Schofield.
Teddy liked the New Model 3 well enough, and owned a very nicely engraved one.
I prefer the grip and one handed opening latch of the Schofield though.
This. I don't want people asking questions
>>30066562
>1894
Webley Mk I 4" barrel in .455.
I have no idea how TR would feel about it.
>>30066608
Ok. I'm a few years ahead of my time. Someone has to lead the way to the future.
>>30066772
yeah but that's like answering a thread about your favorite WWII rifle and saying AK47
Colt Dragoon
>>30065739
suppresssed handnugget, katana, and a fedora like oddjobs bowler.
>m'scumbag
>>30065739
>>30065956
Burgess folding shotgun, he would approve.
>>30066790
I change my handgun choice but not my calibre
>>30065926
This, a 12 gauge coach gun and a .32 pocket revolver for backup.
>>30066847
The only acceptable answer
>>30065797
A product of Hollywood. Didn't exist until 1958
>>30067268
that was for an 1892.
I'm not sure ANYONE has made a cut down 45-70
>>30067313
I meant the Mares Leg. As in the style of gun.
>>30065739
Borchardt C-93
>>30066818
>1895 nagant
>in 1894
READING IS HAAAARD.
Anyways, probably a S&W #3 Scho in 44 American.
>>30065739
one or two of these with some brass knuckles in my top hat
>>30065739
Webley MK I in .455 Webley.
Double Action, top break with an automatic extractor, and a beefy round of ammunition.
>>30067338
right.
a 45-70 Mares Leg
I don't think those even exist today, let alone in 1894.
>>30067356
>44 American
putting aside the Schofield model was only made in .45 Schofield, why would you even want .44 American?
>>30067674
>The S&W Model 3 was originally chambered for the .44 S&W American and .44 Russian cartridges, and typically did not have the cartridge information stamped on the gun (as is standard practice for most commercial firearms). Model 3 revolvers were later produced in an assortment of calibers, including .44 Henry Rimfire, .44-40, .32-44, .38-44, and .45 Schofield.
You tried.
And as for why, because I like it.
>>30067698
the first Model 3 was the Model 3 American, only chambered for .44 American, which used a heeled bullet
the next was the Model 3 Russian, made for a Russian contract and came with a smaller grip, grip hump, trigger guard spur, and lanyard ring. they also requested a heelless cartridge, which became the much more popular .44 Russian.
the Schofield model was designed for an American military contract, chambered only in .45 to meet the contract specifications (which it still didn't quite do), and had a unique top latch designed by George Schofield that could be operated one handed.
the New Model 3 was the popular commercial model. that was the one that was chambered in a variety of cartridges. it had a smaller grip frame but no hump like the Russian, and the same top latch as the American and Russian.
wikipedia doesn't make you an expert dude
pictured here >>30067785 is the Model 3 American
this is the Model 3 Russian
this is the Schofield
>>30067785
>.45
.45 Colt? That's what the American military was using for their SAAs right?
>>30067785
>>30067800
Thanks for confirming I was correct I guess?
and the New Model 3
>>30067814
and that's what they wanted the Schofield to be chambered in.
but the cylinder wasn't long enough so instead they shortened the case to create the .45 Schofield cartridge.
the military decision makers weren't happy and that's why so few were ordered. the Colt became the standard issue sidearm since it could chamber both calibers, and the .45 Schofield became the standard cartridge since it could fit in both guns. instead of calling it .45 Schofield they renamed it .45 Colt Government. the original .45 Colt became known unofficially as .45 Long Colt to distinguish it from .45 Colt Government.
>>30067816
read again niggerfaggot.
the Model 3 Schofield was never made in .44 American.
I'd have to hold off on the appointment until Winchester releases the 1895 in .405
300gr softpoint stepping 2,200fps
Teddy called it his "big medicine gun" for hunting lion and other dangerous game
also
>And as for why, because I like it.
that's what I want to know. what's to like about it? it was obsolete less than a year after it was introduced.
>>30067888
>300gr softpoint stepping 2,200fps
I imagine the local populace may grow tired of all the building collapses caused during shootouts
>>30067814
I also forgot to mention in >>30067860 that modern Schofield reproductions can be chambered in .45 Colt because the cylinders were lengthened and the gas ring almost eliminated.
that's fine for smokeless powder but shooting black powder without a gas ring the cylinder would get gummed up from fouling very quickly.
>>30067860
>>30067940
Cool, thanks for the education anon.
>>30067635
I'm not talking about the goddamn caliber you fucking idiot. I'm talking about the "Mares Leg" style of rifle. Whatever fucking caliber it's in.
>>30067968
yeah. they weren't available in 1894.
>>30067994
I mean you could make a Mare's Leg for yourself out of any number of lever action repeaters available in 1894; but you'd be a visionary since the mare's leg is a product of 1950s era TV westerns.
>>30065739
Cut down over and under shotgun, one for each hand. Its that kind of an Era. Teddy approves.
>>30068038
the first O/U shotgun was the last firearm designed by John Browning, over the last years of his life in the 1920s.
all you fuckers in this thread making up history as you go along are making me sick
>>30067860
But I'm allergic reading pedantic grammar nazi-ing anon.
>He said model 3 scho
>better shit my pants because he identified a similar gun with it
That being said, you are right, and I apologize, you autist.
>>30067900
It would be a good policeman's cartridge for the era, as when loaded with soft lead bullets over penetration would simply be a non issue. The relatively small charge of powder means that a shorter barrel can be used with wasting powder, though that is more or less inevitable with a BP pistol. Finally, it does all this while still delivering more of a wallop than the common 32 or 38 caliber cartridges of it's day.
And I just like it. It has a good sound. Forty-Four American. Teddy will love it.
>>30067386
those began production in 1909
>>30068086
fair enough.
if you meant a New Model 3 in .44 American then that's totally legit.
>>30068150
I did, but I was not clear enough on my wording.
We good? What was your pick?
>>30068121
I'm guessing he was more talking about the generic top break action made in .32 or .38.
>>30068167
>We good?
we good.
sorry, I shouldn't have gotten so irritated. I think
>you tried
just hit a nerve
>What was your pick?
>>30066504 if it wasn't obvious.
>>30068182
makes sense. there were plenty generic top break 32s and 38s then, but the one he posted was special. the Perfected model. last of a dying breed
>>30068206
To be fair, I was being an asshole.
As for your pick, makes a lot of sense.
9/10, would bicker with while buddy-copping through the late 19th century.
As for long arms, I'd take an 1873 in 38-40. Mostly just to use that sweet special snowflake ammo, but also because shouldered pistol cartridges are a touch better feeding in lever guns than straight walls, and it gets a real hot velocity in a long barrel.
>>30068080
>1930s.
I had to look that shit up.
Crazy to think that Browning invented pump and semi auto shotguns 30 years before he invented the over under.
>>30068240
1873s are lovely.
I think if I had to pick one long gun from that time it'd be a Winchester 1886
>>30068224
>topbreaks are dead and will stay dead until consumer 3D metal printing
>tfw the last design was called the 'Rex'
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YIj8RM4_hhI
>>30068249
he died in '26
I think it was his son who finished the design in the '30s
also the first pump gun predated Browning's by over a decade
oh yeah, I mentioned >>30066504 Teddy had an engraved New Model 3
this >>30067817 is it
>>30068316
Very interesting and in honesty I didn't know that; but I will point out that I said.....
>Browning invented pump and semi auto shotguns 30 years before he invented the over under.
Which is grammatically distinct from
>Browning invented THE pump and semi auto shotgun
Although I suppose I should have said "designed" rather than "invented".
>>30068291
But we are chasing criminals, not elephants or bison.
Most of the calibers for the 1886s were rather large and in charge, if I remember correctly.
>>30068373
didn't mean to >imply
most people I talk to think the '97 was the first pump. they've never heard of its direct predecessor the '93 or the Spencer '82
>>30068404
I like overkill.
it may not be the most practical, but it's my favorite.
>>30068429
I can't argue with that. 50-110 it is.
>>30068438
>>30068414
Yeah, I thought the 97' was the first.
I knew Browning wanted to design a pump action when he was designing the Winchester 1887 lever action shotgun; but he wasn't hot shit yet and the company suits wouldn't let him do what he wanted and told him to stick with the tried and true lever action even though he knew better.
I didn't realize pump actions dated all the way back to 82 though.
>>30068438
http://www.rockislandauction.com/viewitem/aid/65/lid/3013
>>30068404
Yeah; but you're forgetting that its 1894. Hippies won't exist for over 60 years...hell there won't even be Beatnicks for 50.
No one is going to care if the police are shooting criminals with comically oversized big game rounds.
>>30068460
>>30068478
Gentlemen, it is time to dream bigger.
>>30068404
Implying he's not a counter sniper.
>>30068509
I think that's too long for a lever rifle though.
>>30068588
It is, absolutely.
But there is a charm to the sharps rifle, or the rolling block, if that is your preference.
I actually knew a guy who had a 50-140 sharps. He used to go to my range, have not seen him for awhile. Anyways, after 10-20 shots he would have a bruise on both sides of his shoulder. I fired one round through it, and that was enough.
>>30068608
very jelly
>>30068624
I wasn't. It was a monster to feed, and to shoot. I own a 45-70, and that is enough recoil for me.
I suppose I am just a pleb.
>>30068502
>As the suspect attempted to flee the scene the officer produced his 2 bore pistol and fired into the suspects sternum. The suspect was blown asunder into a thin red paste which coated the scene of the crime while the officer's arm was immediately dislocated and fractured at the shoulder, wrist, and elbow.
>>30068608
Ever seen Quigley Down Under?
I love his fucking rifle.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ab9Xep5pDwU
>>30068712
Its a 50-90 isn't it?
Pedersoli makes one, sells it through Cimarron.
>>30068722
>Matthew Quigley (Tom Selleck) uses a Shiloh Sharps 1874 Long Range rifle with a 34" barrel (4"s longer than a standard 30" barrel) converted to fire a .45-110 metallic cartridge with a 540 grain paper-patch bullet. It has double set triggers, and is fitted with a ladder-elevated Vernier peep sight and a Globe front sight
http://www.imfdb.org/wiki/Quigley_Down_Under
>>30068745
Ahh, interesting.
I know Pedersoli makes 45-110s, but at that point, why not go for the 45-120? My lyman manual has load data for both, and even use smokeless, the crazy bastards.
>>30068637
my biggest rifles are 45-70 and .375 H&H.
standard .375 kicks about the same as buffalo bore 430gr 45-70+P, but both are pleasant from ~10lb rifles.
I'd love to try bigger rifles but can't really justify buying one.
>>30068774
I mean if I was buying one for fun I'd probably just get it in .45-70 with the same long barrel and sights.
>Being transported to NYC of all fucking places
WEW yankeedom here i come.
Well, that said. I'll take a gunsmith's special Colt Navy.
>>30068835
I mean, you could do that.
It would be objectively more practical.
But would it be as fun?
>>30068887
>But would it be as fun?
Well no; but I'd be able to shoot it without going broke.
Although I suppose if you had a reloading set up going you could make your own custom .45-110 or 45-120 rounds fairly reasonably.
Maybe if I hit the lottery.
This. In the largest caliber i could modify it to fire.
>>30068975
>the largest caliber i could modify it to fire.
the largest caliber that could fit in here
>>30068975
>Damn near useless gun
>in an already large caliber.
GG. Being big only makes your already sub 600 fps worse.
>>30067860
Thanks Ian.
>>30067903
What shootouts?
>people getting unruly
>someone cranks off a single round of .405
>splatters whoever he shoots, erryone else deaf and disoriented by the muzzle blast
Pic related is a .405 next to a .300wm
>>30065739
Obviously a LeMat.
>>30069503
9 .41 caliber balls plus some buckshot would be quite the negotiator.
I imagine the papers will be calling you quite the demon, however.
>>30069543
Telegraph the constable, I care not.
Be it with barker or bunch of fives no man shall ever find me tail down.
>>30068887
>But would it be as fun?
yes
because modern 45-70 out of a modern rifle meant to shoot it (like a pedersoli sharps) is a fuckload hotter than a blackpowder 45-120.
only downside is not being able to have a bandolier of dick sized cases around your shoulder like tom selleck
Remington 1875 with a colt 1857 taped to the back of my nutsack
>>30070035
or come to think of it the first "modern" revolver, a Starr 1858 double action converted to .45lc
>>30070035
>colt 1857
a what?
>>30070080
>>30070097
colt made a cartridge revolver in the 1850s?
how have I never heard of this?
didn't they have to pay royalties to S&W or something?
>>30070075
was that the one from Unforgiven?
>>30070140
yes
they're pretty neat guns. managed to fingerfuck an incredebly overpriced one at an antique shop
>>30070133
Only if they were caught selling it.
I'd carry a Webley Mk I on my hip, and my long gun of choice would be a Lee Metford
I'd be the biggest Bongaboo in town and would be the ultimate foil to Teddy's 100% pure concentrated American spirit.
>>30068712
You can gaze on it at the NRA museum at the Bass Pro Shop in Springfield, MO.
>>30070097
Ol' Rollin White played hell trying to enforce his patent. This little girl has seen a nut sack or two in her day.
>>30065739
Name of knife, or is it a custom one?
>>30065739
The Single Action Army.
>>30065739
remington 1894, sawed off
