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>>30025061
>MAS 36
Surps. Does the ar15 25/300 sighting work for milsurps without drastic modification to the fsp?
I'm not entirely sure what distance I should be attempting to zero at
>>30025061
I'm thinking of potentially buying a Lee Enfield
What do you all recommend
>>30025313
Probably my favorite one I own.
>>30025460
If you want one, then get one.
>>30025325
>showing that its a dummy grenade
Could have been such a good picture.
Check out this ugly monstrosity i bought.
I have faith i can restore it and have an ugly shooter. Poor soldier.
>>30025460
Yes
>>30025566
Yeah, same hindsight
>>30025579
Nice Springfield. The hell did they do to it?
>>30025768
[spoiler]Its a half assed Drill deact.[/spoiler]
Barrel plugged with a rod. Magazine empty, sights removed. Usually the bolt is welded in but they skipped that part.
Waiting for the carrier pigeons to get here so i can full dissasembly and rush it off to be dechromed.
>>30025579
>>30025768
Looks like a well used VFW ceremonial rifle.
>>30025460
Do it.
>>30025061
I ran into a 1953 Izhevsk SKS for $750 today at a fun show. Gun was in beautiful condition and had a nice shine effect to it.
Should I do it?
>>30025843
Stop while you're ahead. They aren't worth the time nor the money to "restore" them. You can buy a good shooter for $600. You can't fix that one up for that.
>>30025882
I have a '54 Izhevsk. '53s are fairly rare.
>>30025913
I already have all the parts except a new barrel. I'm waiting for it to arrive to see if its actually a rod or lead thats easily melted out.
Everything else is a cake walk.
>>30025156
What year is your lebel?
>>30025984
You'll end up spending far more than the damn thing is worth. Plus, you don't really know what the welding up did to the bolt and receiver.
You'll pay a lot of money to just have a $300 parts gun.
>>30026045
'91. It's 99 years older than I am.
>>30026153
Its not about the worth anon. Its about bringing a soldier back to fighting duty.
Plus it gives me an excuse and real world training to practice gunsmithing.
>>30026262
It's history is what was done to it. It was used as a VFW gun. Just like that Vietnam bringback Mle-36 that you removed the stock off of.
>all these french guns
>>30026404
Of course it's sideways.
>>30025984
its not lead, they would never have been able to pound it into the barrel, its a steel rod
>>30026262
Did you get that from Simpsons?
>>30026153
Neat, mine is an 89.
>>30026404
Nice Syrian 49.
There's a couple of Mas 36 rifles at my lgs. Next paycheck maybe I'll get one.
>>30026460
Do it, you won't regret it.
Damn I need a Berthier....or several.
>>30025061
every time i see these threads more than half the pictures are reposts
Here's my J.P Sauer & Sohn (nowadays Sig Sauer), 1940 Kar98k. It has the rare plum blurring in the back.
>>30025295
So how do you tell if a P38 is a war production gun or not?
My friend got one from his dead grandpa and knows nothing about it.
>>30026482
The surp' market isn't what it used to be
>>30026559
Post some pics and we can tell you. Easiest way to tell is if it has waffenamts and any of these codes: BYF, AC, or CYQ
>>30026455
i got it off gunbroker like two years ago. Where they got it i dunno
>>30026336
As ifi was goign to shoulder that ratty ass plank. Its better off being fodder to patch holes.
I could save the 1903 as a VFW gun if the chrome wasn't flaking off.
You can let your wood rot cause MUH HISTOORY, i'll keep them running for another 100 years.
I'm going through my milsurp rifles, trying to decide which has the smoothest action. So I guess it would be relevant to list them in order from best to worst here.
1. 1903/14/27 Mannlicher
2. Mas 36
3. No4mk1
4. M38 Mosin
5. 1886 Lebel
6. 91/30 Mosin
7. M24/47
8. Tie between my m38 Carcano and my 1903a3.
>>30026602
Im pretty sure it has at least one of those codes stamped on the slide.
Im going to try and get a ton of pictures next time I hang with him.
He also has 3 japanese rifles, two with intact mums. A japanese pistol I believe is a type 14.
A couple different bayonets and three 1917 Enfields.
I finished the bandoleer so it's a 40-rounder.
I have a MAS 49/56 imported by Century
now, the receiver obviously says 7.5 real big on the side and the importer marks also say 7.5
but, when I shoot 7.5 French through it, it refuses to cycle properly and the cases come out slightly bulged and very sooty
is there a definitive way to tell if my MAS 49/56 has been converted to .308, some mark somewhere that I'm missing?
were all 49/56s imported by Century converted?
I don't have any .308 to see if they fit in the chamber
>>30027191
Since 308 is smaller it'd still fit anyways. Are you shooting surplus ammo or new production 7.5 French?
>>30027191
>is there a definitive way to tell if my MAS 49/56 has been converted to .308, some mark somewhere that I'm missing?
The stocks were cut down to match the cut down barrels on the converted rifles.
>were all 49/56s imported by Century converted?
no
>>30027215
mostly new production PPU
I only have a couple rounds of surplus
I tried the surplus, and I had the same symptoms but stickier extraction
the bolt still doesn't cycle and I end up with a spent case in the rifle
>>30027218
ok then, mine isn't .308 converted
>>30027269
Do you have any of those cases on hand? For pictures I mean.
>>30027293
unfortunately, my friend tossed them with the rest of the brass before I could separate them out or take pictures
but they were covered in partially burnt powder
the bulge was very subtle, if they were even bulged at all
1943 Sako m39
Mosin Nagant PU sniper
>>30027326
Well the 49 and 49/56 are direct gas impingement actions and are notoriously over-gassed (a necessity for a large variety of reasons). So that might have something to do with it. There's not any other signs of high pressure are there? Blown out or smashed primers for example?
>>30027394
no, nothing like that
if they're overgassed, wouldn't violent ejection be more likely than completely absent ejection/cycling?
I think the rifle is short stroking or cycling at all
is it possible the gas cutoff got stuck in off somehow?
>>30027422
Somewhere along the way I misread what your problem was. So apologies there.
Yours is probably fouled somewhere in the gas system. You should clean it out. French military ammo was corrosive, and they were used in some pretty dirty places. So yeah, clean your shit out thoroughly.
>>30026566
![IMG_0294[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/DdbFSPv.jpg "IMG_0294[1].jpg")
Wish I could find a non-converted 49. I've seen one in great shape with all the accessories for dirt cheap but it was one of Century's hack jobs, my heart broke a little that day.
>>30027512
I really hope that's all it needs
>>30027616
I thought most if not all MAS 49s were original. Century imported like 500 of them, correct?
>>30027782
A lot more than 500 of them. Almost all of them, around 22,000. But correct, they never converted 49s or 44s. Only 49/56s.
I got wood.
>>30027869
>Plum bolt
Disgusting.
Is it possible to make a Milsurp style stock to a modern bolt action?
>>30025061
My modest collection.
What should I get next?
>>30028038
An Enfield, or one of those Sino-Soviet KLA used SKS that are on the market right now
>>30027191
>>30027215
>>30027218
I think I diagnosed it
the hammer is sitting rather high in the receiver when cocked and causing excessive resistance to the bolt
there is wear on the hammer visible from this
the fix is a $0.11 pack of washers to shim the FCG a bit lower so the hammer sits flush or slightly bellow the receiver floor when cocked
other symptoms were probably in my head
>>30028038
Mas 36
>>30027953
It's POSSIBLE but to my knowledge no one does (outside of Mannlicher style stocks like pic related)
>>30028067
Perhaps I will get an Enfield. Maybe one of those WW1 pattern ones. Don't know a whole lot on the matter. Still have the 1917. I was seeing a Garand in my future but maybe one day I'll have a place in my collection for an SKS.
bcd 4 matching action and one barrel band, mismatched stock and one barrel band.
>>30027953
Like a mannlicher style stock?
>>30028073
Hope that works out. Still, clean your gas system. Not gonna hurt.
>>30028091
Might be worth your time to set aside $800 for the CMP and get your paperwork in order for when Garands come back.
Also, I've heard rumors that the CMP is going to get a shipment of 1903a3s that they're going to sell like they did the M1 Carbines, first come first serve.
>>30027866
Source? Everywhere I've heard they imported only a small number of 49s into the country.
>>30028125
For when Garands come back? A garunteed thing?
>>30028139
they aren't gone
the CMP just has a backlog that's literally six months long, so they stopped taking orders to catch up
>>30025061
>>30025138
>>30025156
When is the last time you've had your trip on? I haven't seen you with it like over a year
>>30028139
They're coming back, definitely. Right now they're organizing their stock and rebuilding serviceable rifles out of parts guns. They will be out for good pretty soon though- if you want a Garand for CMP prices, don't hesitate; something as good as that can't last forever.
>>30028137
Well they made around 22,000, though more were Syrian contract rifles (they have a spike bayonet in addition to the grenade launcher).
>>30028241
The Syrians ordered 6000 rifles. Around half made it to the states. The reason French 49s are so rare is because so few were imported.
my last has a Austrian artillery straight pull carbine for 225.
I am really Really tempted. but the ammo is snowflake.
>>30028100
>>30028272
I'll have to figure out where I found my numbers from. I'm trying to recall from years ago when I first read them, and I'm probably doing a shitty job.
>>30028273
If you like milsurp you should REALLY invest in reloading.
>>30025061
ayee lemme get in on this
>>30028291
Also only has a 2 digit serial
>>30025061
How much do MAS rifles usually go for? How available is 7.5 French?
>>30025138
>>30026905
Wat
1903 has a far better action, easier to use
A mosin on the other hand takes too much force to torque you can't keep your eye on a scope and work da bolt
>>30027364
Godamn that stock has seen some shit
>>30029301
PPU Makes it
there is small quantities of other hunting ammo available
dies and such for reloading are available
I got my MAS 49/56 for $350, but I got a steal
>>30027869
How's that auto mosin? I wanted one ever since I was a kid
I will be adding a Stgw 57 later, managed to convince my uncle to sell me his.
>>30029301
PPU makes it as another anon said and there might be a little surp floating around. AVOID all egyptian/syrian stuff if you don't want random hangfires and duds
>>30029363
Love my auto nugget. Bangs 10" steel at 200 yards with the irons all day long. The retard blast of the 54r pisses off any fudd within 20 yards. As a kanadafag these are still available for $400.
>>30029404
>these will never be imported to the US
What do stgw 57s shoot anyway?
>go to lgs
>hex receiver mosin
>250 bucks
This isn't normal is it? When did nuggets get so expensive?
>>30029493
they're pretty much dried up / the beginning stages of panic buying
>tfw you haven't bought any new milsurp in a while
>tfw you have a few holes in your collection that need plugging but you have to divert funds to other gun purchases
>tfw you are several thousand in debt from the last raifu you bought and cant even think of getting that MAS49 or Type 99 or Gew88 or 03A1 or C96 or HiPower until you pay it off
>tfw even as you list the obvious holes, other things start coming to mind you GOTTA HAVE like a swiss M93 carbine, an M39, Berthiers, Lebels, Carcanos,......
>tfw the ride never ends
I really owe you guys newer collection pics, but it gets to be a bit of effort dragging everything out, and it just feels "naked" when you have everything except for one glaring fucking hole, which you keep meaning to fill, so its easier to just hold off until its just right.
This pic needs my new Stgw57 and Stgw90, and I need to buy a Swiss P220, a Swiss luger, and some Swiss revolvers.
>>30026905
Pls, buy yourself a Ross 1905. As much as you know I like to jerk it to swiss rifles, the Ross is more of a pleasure to cycle.
>>30029526
Is the panic buying starting ALREADY? I thankfully bought a bunch of .223 for my AR at my lgs like 4 weeks before sandy hook, just because they were having an amazing sale.. $150/1000 for PMC brass. I'm now looking at the last 3-4 mags of the stuff and I also finally exhausted the 2000 rounds of x39 a /k/ommando sold me half a year before that, while also buying more guns in those calibers, and I was hoping to bulk buy .223, x39, 9x19, and 30-06 over the next few months, but I REALLY didn't want to battle fudds over $1/rnd .223.
Shit fucking timing.
Acquired yesterday.
>>30030746
Russian Capture? How much?
>>30029489
7.5 Swiss
It's like a semi auto (and full auto) K31.
>>30030585
i, too, feel that feel.
>>30029432
What kind of ammo do you feed your auto nugget? I bought mine for $1500 in the US and I'd rather not shoot corrosive ammo through it.
>>30033967
Wolf, brown bear, Tula all work. I use PPU because I reload x54r.
>>30027229
Is the stock a wartime?
It loks nicer than my 1942 Sako with a wartime stock.
>>30033994
Thanks man! I took the pic from the auction because It hasn't arrived at the gun store yet,
>>30030585
I like the look of the 1910 Ross more personally, but I will end up with both at some point. That's a nice Zfk you have. I imagine it shoots well.
>>30034116
You should also order the gas adjustment tool, because it can be finicky and you don't want it to beat itself up.
>>30034177
Alright, I'll try to track one down. How much do they run in Canada? down here they are pretty expensive.
>>30034227
The rifle or the gas tool?
>>30034282
Gas tool
>>30034296
I dunno, $50? I'm not in Canada though.
>>30034365
My bad, anyway, thanks for the info.
>>30033967
I'm up in /k/anada so they get nothing but corrosive new production Chinese 54r. If the gun was $1500 and uncommon like in the states then I would reload for it.
