https://www.google.com/amp/nypost.com/2016/05/19/nypd-checking-ammo-after-knifemans-jacket-stops-cops-bullets/amp/?client=ms-android-att-us#
Lol its okay, only 9mm
>13 shots, 4 of them stopped by jacket the rest killing the fucker
>faulty ammo or weapons
It has nothing to do with it being 9mm, it has the fact that it was old, garbage 9mm that did it.
Bait thread, 0/10
>>30008884
> no details on kind of jacket
> no information about engagement range
Pointless without details.
Well famalam i was there. We use speer gold dot and its replaced every 6 months. Engagement range was 15 feet.
>>30008884
Heavy clothing has been known to stop or slow bullets in the past. Did you notice the bit about the cops hitting an innocent bystander too?
>>30008919
You can thank the 13lb triggerpull for that
Brb on my way to buy a carhartt jacket
>>30008884
Trolling aside, this is extremely odd.
I would like to know a resolution, but it wont ever publicly come, oh well.
>>30008919
I did. I sure as shit could not shoot accurately with a fucking 10lb trigger pull.
>>30008908
>fucker
don't skip school child
>>30008925
>you can thank the lack of training for that
ftfy
>>30008884
Doesn't say much about the jacket. Which one should I buy?
>>30008954
Training cant fix defective equipement, and anywhere else 13 pounds is defective as fuck.
>>30008954
How do you intend on keeping 35000 police officers consistently refreshed in the art of shooting while maintaining minimum staffing to reduce response times? Or you could just make it a 5lb trigger.
>nypd
lol
>>30008979
My 5906 and 3914 smiths both have 12.5lb pull. I can shoot well if i have alot of time but under stress at INTAC or Active shooter trainings im lucky to land 50% of my shots on the guy
>>30008979
>that pic
>implying glocks actually have 5.5 lb triggers
I've never seen one come even close to that.
>>30008884
>Oh shit hold the sheets up guys. Don't want people to see how brutally we kill people
>>30009009
Don't cut yourself with that edge hurr durr
>>30008966
A shitty trigger isn't going to throw you off enough to actually miss your entire target and hit a bystander if you practice regularly
>>30009009
Yes, lets let the knife weilding crazy faggot get stabby because we dont want to "brutally" kill people.
You worthless faggot.
>>30009028
That wasn't even edgy faggot.
>>30009031
Okay John McClain.
>>30008972
I'm not saying its not retarded to have such a heavy trigger. I'm just saying its not an excuse for incompetence and such a severe lack of training.
>>30009031
Stress shooting?
Wew lad.
>>30009038
>a police officer should train enough to effectively use his equipment, even if it's shitty equipment
>lol fuggin unrealistic standards
>>30009009
>brutally we kill people
wat
>>30009042
>>30009042
Its a pretty damn good excuse.
>>30009051
Badguys dead, pretty damn effective.
I would not to want to engage anyone in new york fucking city.
>>30009048
You have the same problem with light trigger pulls. It's not exclusive to heavy triggers.
>>30009068
Noguns spotted. I mean what the fuck.
>>30009056
>>30009065
>woo guys, we got em
>and only one innocent bystander shot due to incompetence
Wew lads
>>30009086
>if you miss stress shooting with a 10+lb triggerpull, you are incompetent.
Wew lad.
>>30009086
2 blocks away is times square. There are 50000 people per square inch in that area. It's a miracle that they hit him that many times and only hit 1 person.
I forget your a professional at shooting men charging you with knives in midtown manhattan tho.
>>30008958
This.
They don't want us to know!
>>30009099
>>30009107
>if you miss multiple times, hitting a bystander, you are incompetent
Ftfy
I seriously don't understand why you think it's acceptable to let people representing the state walk around with firearms when either they clearly should not use them in in a particular place or are not train well enough to use them in that particular place. If hitting a bystander is so unavoidable around that area, why not have other options so you don't accidentally shoot somebody?
>>30009227
Please provide me with the 100% effective options of someone engaging you with deadly physical force.
I know your being a trolling cuck, but I'm interested in hearing your bullshit proposal.
>>30009227
>why not have other options so you don't accidentally shoot somebody?
Lets see your option that will stop a knife wielding faggot as well as a bullet. (Keep in mind he is wearing a heavy jacket)
>>30008941
>mfw police departments just start using makarovs for training
>>30009259
>>30009269
Nothing in 100% effective. Not even bullets, as the article clearly shows. Quit trying to pretend it's acceptable to put bystanders lives in danger so police don't have to actually practice with their firearms on a regular basis.
>>30009322
>Not 100% effective
Looks like the nigga is 100% dead faggot. Try again.
>>30009099
Seriously, NYPD have pistols with a 10lb trigger pull? Why the fuck do they have it so high? Are they considered to be so incompetent and poorly trained that they can't stop trigger-fiddling or something?
>>30008946
what month do you think it is?
>>30009227
I don't like arguing with aitismos so gonna say my piece and leave.
This guy's right. It's called non escalation and using proportional force. Something regular citizens are also expected to do.
Baton him, taze him, surround him and gas him, put on full riot gear and bash him, unleash an attack dog, run him down with a car...
>>30009269
tazers really do work pretty well, not that i don't approve of guns or anything.
>>30009086
She got "grazed in the wrist" by a wayward 9mm. If I actually saw the wound I'd be able to make an accurate judgement, but I'm pretty certain being "grazed in the wrist" is not the fucking same as being directly hit in the arm.
>>30009052
>>30009033
>>30009028
Is English your third language?
>>30009360
The political powers at be deemed that LOGICALLY THE HEAVIER IT IS, THE LESS AD's THERE ARE GOING TO BE. I MEAN IT'S NOT LIKE THEY NEED MORE TRAINING/HIGHER HIRING STANDARDS/ AND GOOD EQUIPMENT OR ANYTHING.
>>30008908
Freak stuff happens.
Hair weave stops .40
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ekKpAIc_9tM
>>30009332
I could kill someone with a tazor too if I zapped him enough. The whole thread was about 4 rounds not even penetrating a jacket
>>30009371
Lemme run at you with a knife and lemme see you de-escalate it you fat fuck.
>>30009376
It's still a million dollar lawsuit and it's still only inches from a major artery
>>30009371
>This guy is rushing me with a knife!
>Hold on a sec Mr. Psycho, lemme put on my full riot armor!
Faggot.
>>30008946
Fuck off to facebook if you are so triggered by swearing you fucking nigger.
>>30008884
>Another shot grazed the wrist of bystander Lauran Code, a 46-year-old lingerie designer from California.
Proof that guns just naturally hate Californians.
>>30009360
my polish makarov has a DA trigger pull of 25lb.
>i call it my problem solver
>>30008884
kek i bet the speer office and carhartt marketing offices are going crazy.
>>30009371
Under the law a gun is proportional force to a guy wielding a knife both are potentially deadly force
>>30009374
They don't, though.
>>30009371
>>baton him
>hurr let me just engage in a melee with someone wielding a knife! What could possibly go wrong!!!!!
>>taze him
>doesn't work because he's wearing a heavy jacket and tasers have been stopped by T-shirts at certain angles
>see above except now you probably don't even have time to get your baton
>>surround him and gas him
>>put on full riot gear and bash him
>he's just going to be standing around doing nothing while you spend the next 30 minutes putting on your shitty bulky riot gear and gas mask and getting CS gas that might not even be effective if its too windy in any direction
>there's going to be absolutely no immediate need for action within the next 30 minutes when there's a retard with a knife acting violently
>>unleash an attack dog
>wait an hour for the nearest K9 unit to arrive because its NYC
>>run him down with a car
This is the only real alternative that you gave but
>its illegal
>>30009371
Actually, to add to >>30009484
A real alternative would be to equip our cops with those chinese cattle forks, but good luck getting liberuls to allow cops to have something that scary.
>>30008915
Gotta provide proof...
>>30008884
I don't know what to take this as; a knock to 9mm or a testament to Carhartt.
>>30009497
>Coming to a Commiefornia PD near you...
>>30009497
>I'm sorry Officer...Poseidon?
>>30009497
Polearms are underrated these days.
>>30009544
Lot of man-grabbing happens there any way
>>30009484
>>30009497
Mace & Baton? Plus severely outnumbering him?
>>30009540
Seeing as to how the Carhartt didn't reliably stop all rounds, or even a majority, it's not the jacket.
Seeing as how a majority of the bullets were effective and behaved as expected, if say we have a manufacturing (QC) problem.
surprised the NYPD hit anything at all
>>30009580
Getting stabbed isn't fun, friend. The only thing mace would do is make the violent guy with a knife angry and cause him to swing wildly everywhere.
Sure on paper you could have 10 guys all go for his limbs but that's not real life.
>>30009628
This
Outside of ESU they only have to qualify once a year and most cops even including ESU will never fire their weapon outside the range
>>30009580
You want to ask knife-guy to wait while your reinforcements show up?
>>30009384
This sounds like a demolition ranch video waiting to happen.
It'd be neat if there was a spray like mace but it hardened or turned into some thick goo and basically immobilized you without hurting you. Quick-hardening so you could spray it like 10-15 feet and the dude couldn't get to you. Or like some spider web shit.
>>30009691
Like a sprayable rubber cement? I doubt it would work unless you got it somewhere vital or used a lot of it.
[spoiler]Red vs. Blue had something like that for training exercises. Strong enough to absorb some of the force from a frag grenade.[/spoiler]
>>30009691
Or, how about an acid that eats through metal but doesn't harm flesh, clothes, etc? so you could spray it on him and dissolve the dudes knife (or gun) no probz. Probably his pants buttons and keys and shit too but oh well.
With all the goofy shit chemists come up with, you'd think one of these ideas would be ezpz.
>>30008884
Money says that all 4 came from the same gun, and the ammo was extremely old, or had been compromised in some way.
>>30009725
I mean like a fire extinguisher kind of burst that just covered him in super thick, sticky goo. Think ghostbusters when someone gets slimed. it's hard to move anything fast at that point. Could be kept in a little popgun looking thing, single use.
Vegetable oil gun? Would shoot a high-pressure stream of oil at him, knocking him back and making it very hard for him to stand or exert any kind of force as his feet would have less friction with the ground.
Except someone would complain that they're not using EVOO.
>>30009031
I beg to differ, dropping my pull down to 4.5lbs on my carry gun had me go from 4-5in groups(off target even when stress dumping) to putting rounds on top of each other and tight ass groupings when mag dumping. Triggers make a hell of a difference for anyone who isn't Jerry Miculek.
ITT: PEOPLE TRYING HARD TO DEFEND THEIR MEME CALIBER AND GUN
>>30009007
gotta polish, famalam
>>30009650
>>30009667
Well you're assuming it's a 50/50 match tho. This why police should have high standards.
A fit and well trained cop should be able to accomplish the task with mace, a baton, and maneuverability.
I'm not even saying the cop was wrong. If this happened in a less populated area I'd say yeah, shoot the bastard. I'm saying cops in NYC need to think about tactics because it's so likely for innocent bystanders to get hit.
>>30009755
A fire extinguisher's worth of slime isn't going to fit in a "popgun", especially when taking propellant into account. Not to mention getting a good range with such a weapon.
>>30009729
>>30009755
>>30009800
I'm getting Batman vibes from this discussion.
>>30009875
Uh. No.
Deadly physical force must always be met with deadlier physical force.
Its written in the bible.
>>30009898
Actually the Bible teaches proportion.
>Eye for an eye
Shit I'm an atheist but went to church when younger. Rethink that, get back to me.
>>30009755
this exists. unfortunately it is also the size and weight of your average fire extinguisher, and as such it is reserved for riot situations
>>30009913
Leviticus 12:23
>when the chube ran at him with a blade, the lord commanded 8 rounds of 44 magnum to tear flesh from his breast.
>>30009384
>unbeWEAVEable
>>30009875
A. You certainly can't and shouldn't rely on criminals being out of shape so even with higher standards nothing ensures that a cop will always have a physical advantage or even parity
B. It's wrong to ask cops to accept that much higher a level of risk in order to preserve the life of a criminal wielding a deadly weapon and refusing to surrender. Cops already work a really tough job for shit pay without us asking them to get into melee fights with knife wielding criminals
Everyone is worried about the four bullets that did not penetrate the jacket but A-okay that it took 9 penetrating bullets to incapacitate him?
Seriously, fuck pistol calibers.
>Another shot grazed the wrist of bystander Lauran Code, a 46-year-old lingerie designer from California.
One in nine hit a bystander? NYPD is getting much better about that.
>>30009913
It also teaches that when facing a potentially stronger foe with a melee weapon one should maintain your distance and use missile weapons.
>>30009913
Matthew 5:39
But I tell you, do not resist an evil person. If anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to them the other cheek also.
Didn't you know the new testament voids the old one.
>>30008884
Why I stagger fmj then hp.
>>30010133
What makes you think rifle caibers are better?
There's a huge misconception that comes out of hunting that rifle rounds "just work".
They work only when you target the vital area and hit within a ~6 inches of where you were aiming.
>>30009991
>>30010148
Meh
>>30010106
So you're telling me mag dumping in a highly populated area is smart. He could of walked up and shot him point blank. Guy brought a knife to a gun fight.
>>30010158
Only guy who quoted Bible non jokingly.well yeah but me and Jesus disagree on that one.
>>30009691
The... Army I think researched that. There was an issue with the goo stuff getting into esophagus and nose and stuff on mannequins or whatever, and couldn't get it to harden fast enough.
>>30010171
should have solid hp then stagger fmj , by the time you reach the second have of your >clip the target may be behind cover
>>30010438
>have
>clip
Hooboy. Here we go.
>>30010144
Is that a little pug? why would you shoot something you can shoo away with your foot?
whats next, are they going to start shooting cats?
>>30010621
Seen that video, its a pitt mix charging him, owner was having medical issues. Sad, but it is what it is.
>>30010194
> They only work when you hit a vital area.
Never said otherwise.
> What makes you think rifle calibers are any better?
For one, the velocity above 2000fps that allows spitzer bullets to reliably expand, producing much wider round channels and faster bleeding.
Two, studies on mortality rates on head trauma.
"Contributing Factors [on mortality]
• Degree of fragmentation of the bullet
• Caliber of the bullet and type of weapon (high velocity — military assault rifles and hunting rifles [bullet speed greater than 2,000 feet/second] — low velocity hand guns [bullet speed less than 2,000 feet/second])
http://www.aans.org/Patient%20Information/Conditions%20and%20Treatments/Gunshot%20Wound%20Head%20Trauma.aspx
Three, pic related.
http://www.buckeyefirearms.org/alternate-look-handgun-stopping-power
>>30008954
Im all for calling out poorly trained cops, but I got to shoot a NYPD 12lb trigger glock because my range had one specifically just for us to try out for shits and giggles
One of the worst things ive ever shot. Id take DAO or even DAK over that monstrosity
>failed to penetrate his jacket — which was not bullet-proof
wtf do you think bullet proof means ya retards
>>30010462
why would you greentext clip when he wrote >clip instead of clip, meaning he obviously did it on purpose for funsies rather than a bait or ignorance?
>>30009007
My gen3 22 has 5lb on the dot. Brand new and after 1k rounds.
>>30010420
They didn't mag dump nor did I suggest mag dumping at any point
>>30010420
>Meh
That is precisely the story of David and Goliath
>>30009007
I think it means the second spring needs five pounds to start moving and then goes up to 11 pounds to actually fire.
>>30009755
>LEO carries device that's shaped weird and fires white goopy substance in spurts
>>30009107
>There are 50000 people per square inch in that area.
Yup. Yup. Yup.
>>30009448
>implying swearing isn't normie and degenerate
>>30008884
>>30011940
Ive always wanted to know wtf the story behind this picture is
>>30010939
dat .32
>>30011992
That's Kristen Bell, an actress.
So they are filming a TV show/movie and no one actually got shot.
>>30010420
>So you're telling me mag dumping in a highly populated area is smart.
Works out fine for the most part, it's certainly smarter than anything you've proposed as an alternative.
>>30009755
Did somebody say goo gun?
>>30009540
.45 would probably would have fared worse seeing as it's less penetrative.
>>30009991
>8 rounds of .44 Magnum
The Lord mandated carrying .44 Desert Eagles?
>>30009691
i saw the opposite of this might have been japan, but they pretty much spray thick lube on/around you and you can't do a fucking thing but fall.
>>30012013
Whelp. Time to get a .32 for EDC.
I have a Carhartt jacket. Those fuckers are tough as nails, and have saved me a trip to the emergency room plenty of times. I would not be surprised if a lucky shot was stopped by the materials.
>>30008925
Trigger pull weight having ANY FUCKING THING to do with bullet penetration. You retard!
Maybe try:
Barrel length, bullet grain, load.
147gr hollowpoints would be my guess
>>30012662
>nigga never seen deathwish
>>30012749
I see you meant the trigger pull affecting accuracy. Didnt fully read, i was just skimming.
Thought u went full retard anon , sry
>>30012749
Hey fucko, might wanna read the post again.
>Did you notice the bit about the cops hitting an innocent bystander too?
>>30012013
>>30012662
Before you grab that .32 pistol, consider that it was the caliber with the least number of samples, and the largest range of results. That makes it the least trustworthy group, along with 44 mag, in that study.
>>30012749
You dumb fuck, Anon was talking about the bad aim, not the penetration. Christ, read the fucking post.
>>30012013
>tfw I got a Keltec P-32 with a 1 round extension on my mag giving me 8+1 of hot Fiochhi Italian 73gr FMJ ammo
whew lad, my summer gun ain't something to be trifled with
>>30011872
It's called the long dick of the law for a reason anon.
>>30012575
Its in the Bible after all. Didn't you go to Sunday school?
>>30009497
In medieval times town guards had a similar device called a man catcher...it had spikes on the inside diameter of the clamp to persuade the caught individual to calm down and move with the guards least tgey get cut up.
>>30009755
What if you goop their face and they suffocate or go blind or inhale or swallow the stuff?
Got to think about that.
>>30009360
>NYPD
>Are they considered to be so incompetent and poorly trained that they can't stop trigger-fiddling or something?
Your question answers itself.
>>30009497
That is fucking awesome.
>>30009849
Except that hasn't happened ITT yet. You would know that if you had read the thread.
>>30008884
in our city one of the desk jocky police officers changed out all the ammo in the shotguns in the armory so every shotgun had training ammo in it and there was a shoot out in town where a guy got shot 8 times in the chest and survived.
>>30010939
Shotgat masterrace confirmed.
>>30008910
looks like he's bleeding pretty good in the pic.
>>30018061
On porpoise?
http://nypost.com/2016/05/20/victim-grazed-by-nypd-shots-still-has-bullet-lodged-in-her-wrist/
The NYPD claims she was “grazed,” but a tourist still had a police bullet lodged in her right wrist Friday after cops accidentally shot her while gunning down a knife-wielding man in Midtown two days earlier.
Lauran Code, 46, of California, told The Post Friday that she’s furious it took two cops nine shots at close range to take out the depressed Broadway stagehand at West 49th Street and Eighth Avenue.
Seven struck their target, Garry Conrad, 46, the coroner said. Two missed, with one hitting Code.
“What they said about me being grazed is not true,” said Code, a lingerie designer. “I still have the bullet in my wrist.”
Surgery will be a delicate ordeal, with a high risk of nerve damage, she said.
“I heard at least five or six shots before I got hit,” she said. “I definitely wouldn’t have been shot had they not fired so many [times].
“I’m devastated. I’ve been to New York many times, and I don’t want to come back.”
LOL FUCK THAT BITCH
>>30010621
Because New Yorkers are fucking pussies.
>NYC
>cops shoot knife wielding man
>media focuses on how man's jacket stopped a few bullets
>SFC
>cops shoot knife wielding man
>media shitstorm
>protests, hunger strikes
>police chief resigns
It's official, San Francisco out New York'd New York.
>>30021073
New York City police are dicks but they do bash heads with wonderful efficacy. Note that the 'protests' during Trump rallies got nowhere near Chicago levels of chimp.
