Would medieval design have any place in modern military?
>>30002902
no.
No. Someone still has to carry all that shit and it doesn't actually do anything.
that's why they're called medieval dummy
>>30002954
Sounds about right.
>>30002902
thats a hard nope
Unless the materials could withstand armor piercing 7.62 rounds +
Nope
>>30002902
For armor, particularly with regards to articulation and weight distribution? Yes. With anything else, especially the cartoony bullshit in OP's pic? Not.
>>30002902
Almost did.
This is an early version of what would become the M1 helmet
Depending on the armor and the caliber of the bullet, the bullet will be stopped but you may still die from the force of impact. Would a gambeson or other such medieval padding help at all?
The truth of OP's question:
>would this faggot anime shit work in the modern military?
No, OP, it wouldn't. Anime is not real life, and it's gay as fuck.
His helmet was stifling, it narrowed his vision. And he must see far. His shield was heavy. It threw him off balance. And his target is far away.
We'll go back to it once we have energy weapons. Hope you like PT.
>>30003098
>anime
>>30003074
>Depending on the armor and the caliber of the bullet, the bullet will be stopped but you may still die from the force of impact.
Of all the noguns things said on /k/, this is the most noguns
Christ, i didn't expect everyone to take the image literally.
I said medieval design not medieval armor, for example the swiss M18 helmet and one one it this post >>30003073 which took inspiration from armor from that time.
>>30003146
Is that a famas?
>>30003191
this is true for soft armor
>>30002902
For parade uniforms maybe.
>>30003512
No it isn't. Any certified soft armor will not exceed the backface deformation standards for its class. Anything that it is capable of stopping will not kill the user from blunt trauma.
>>30003346
Nah it's a Kel-Tec RFB
>>30003512
No its not
Any round that soft armor can defeat doesnt have the force to "kill with impact"
Lemme guess .50 BMG doesnt even have to hit you to blow your arm off right? Bcuz shockwaves
Medieval armor was fantastically well-designed, and modern engineers go to it for influence in articulation for stuff like space suits. It was very protective, but the only things you can draw from it for armor designed for modern combat are the basic principles of angled armor and structural integrity for things like helmets. The days of full armor are long past.
>>30002902
If you ever make plates that are both extremely light and are great at stopping bullets, you'll see more knightly aesthetic.
That, or they'll look straight up like Kaserkin troopers.
>>30003728
Why oh why did GW stop those models being the standard stormie.
Im so glad I got 30 of them back in the day. Not that I dont like the Scion models, but they're way better as vets or something with the proper modificiation/kitbashing.
>>30003599
It's common knowledge that .50 BMG will blow your arm off if it passes within 3 meters of you. Hell 1/3 of all people firing a 50 lose an arm just from pulling the trigger. It's like that crab getting sucked into the pipe on the ocean floor due to the pressure. You don't keep your hand away from the bolt when that thing cycles it will suck your arm clean off.
>>30003897
>blow your arm off if it passes within 3 meters of you
>semi-auto action "sucking" your arm clean off
General shapes of later full body plate would transfer well to making modern armor from ceramics and titanium.
Problem is that it will weigh 100 pounds and then the solider can't carry a pack.
>>30004024
Give it 20 or 30 years and every soldier will be equipped with a basic load bearing exo-skeleton.
>>30004088
>>30004088
>and every soldier will be equipped with a basic load bearing exo-skeleton
>every soldier
Not unless every man in the army either becomes trump rich, or they figure out a way to make a suit dirt cheap.
Actually yes. The attachment points on modern body armor sections still use pauldron, epaulette, greave, and sometimes even gauntlets. How those sections secure to the vest are the same, even if the materials are different,. Ya dig?
>>30002902
Honor guard or dress uniforms perhaps.
If you're designing a uniform just to look flashy, then you can do whatever the fuck you want.
>>30004135
Do you know how fast technology is advancing?
The technology in the phone you keep in your pocket would have costed you possibly hundreds of thousands of dollars maybe 40 years ago.
Basic bearing exo-skeletons exist now and will set you back a few G's but in 20 or 30 years you might be able to pick one up at your local walmart.
I dont mean exo-skeleton suits that can turn you super human and let you bench press a truck, but something that could make your pack and gear almost weightless.
>>30004276
>Do you know how fast technology is advancing?
Technology doesn't mean shit when it still costs a shit ton.
There was no such thing as a 600 dollar phone 40 years ago.
May as well give each soldier their own car.
>>30004465
>Cost of a soldier's equipment is ~18k.
We basically do.
>>30003098
>projecting
>>30004465
you didn't read everything did you.....
he stated everything you already did but alluded that with mass production and increased producers/increased tech development, the price will drop over time.
>>30004465
The price of the first laptops would have cost you about $1,800 back in the 80s, adjusted for inflation and that would be about $5,200 for something with less then a megabyte of memory.
You can buy a $15 prepaid phone thats many times more powerful and advanced than what $5,200 would have got you 30 years ago.
The first commercial GPS devices would set you back about $3,000, adjusted for inflation again thats about $8,700.
In total the technology in just a $15 prepaid phone would have cost you at least $13,900 30 years ago.
>>30002902
Kind of want to try to make something like that.
>>30003124
I see you anon
>>30004465
>>30004276
Until there's a valid reason to mass produce them, they aren't going to catch on.
>>30002902
No.
They're designed for maximal cover, maximal mobility, for people that matter. We could make a maximillian suit for soldiers, but that cost is too big.
>>30002902
This is what cavalry officers should wear while on parade tbqh
>>30003229
i think the M18 took more influence from he early german stahlhelm since they look very similar
alos the M18 was in service for 53 years until it was replaced by the M71 helmet
Holy shit your image gave me eye cancer
>>30003943
> confirmed for being a faggot that's never watched cheers
Medieval armour design was extremely ingenious when it came to shaping, articulation, weight distribution and strapping. There is a lot to be learned from the armours of the late middle ages in those aspects.
Of course, we're not going to use full plate armour anytime soon but I'd bet you could use them as inspiration to improve modern gear.
What about the Swiss Guard?
>>30003897
Ok.
>>30002902
The designs are based on the ability of thin steel plates being able to provide sufficient protection.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YPKrAfww79U
If we'd be able to use sub mm thick plates able to deflect AP rounds, something along the lines of late medieval armor would be close to the most effective shape we could give them.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qzTwBQniLSc
The shape isn't really outdated, humans still look the same ... it just doesn't make sense in the current context using the available materials.
>>30002902
Looks like the OP image forgot to put on the codpiece ... (why would you want to deliberately have your dick shot off)
>>30004276
>>hundreds of thousands of dollars
Try 15 years and try millions...
>>30007545
>stahlhelm
You mean the Stahlhelm that's based on the Sallet from the 1400's?
>>30002902
Yeah, the basics of medieval design is always gonna fit. Humans haven't changed much - we still move in the same way and mostly have the same needs. Many solutions that worked then will apply now - the Stahlhelm patten is an updated Sallet, the Brodie helmet looked like a kettle hat and DragonSkin was built like Scale armor.
Are we gonna end up as FutureKnights(tm) with full armor plate? Probably not. Will old designs continue to inspire new stuff? Almost definitely.
>>30002902
Riot police armor
>>30003897
Don't worry anon, I get it. :^)
>>30002902
Is that that new fighting game? Cerebrawl?
>>30004465
Not even that anon but:
I remember paying $1400 at the time (adjusted to what, maybe $4k?) for a computer with 64Mb of RAM.
I just built my newest computer for about $1400 and it has 24GB of RAM.
Are you really implying that economy of scale, technological progression and new methods of manufacturing don't drastically reduce the price of things?
>>30007293
How about extending the average soldier's range, endurance, combat load, and survivability?
I think those are good reasons.
>>30003897
this is the biggest bait since fucking 200x
>>30003838
>Why oh why did GW stop those models being the standard stormie.
Kasrkin were never the standard stormie. At best, they were the standard grenadiers, because Kasrkin were pretty much heavy Cadian infantry and many regiments that copy Cadians also copied that idea.
Thing is, even the old-school Storm Troopers look better than that Scion shit. It doesn´t help that Scions came together with that fucking stupid "Astra Militarum" shit GW wants to push so they can claim copyright for God knows what reason.
>>30007509
Nah.
The rough rider style is way cooler.
>>30008122
Agreed
Future SAS stormtrooper best stormtrooper.
>>30002902
Only if it was made of a material capable of withstanding 7.62 whilst still being light enough to carry.
![Armor%20for%20Man%20and%20Horse%20(Germany)%20(1548)a[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/l5izDEc.jpg "Armor%20for%20Man%20and%20Horse%20(Germany)%20(1548)a[1].jpg")
>>30008195
Maybe if you wanna look more like a serf
Not very awe-inspiring though
>>30002902
>>30003146
Those are probably good examples of futuristic armor and shit.
so how long until we at Dune levels of tech
were thanks to personal energy shields causing nuclear explosions if hit with lasers everyone has to revert to swordfighting and melee combat
>>30008624
>energy shields causing nuclear explosions if hit with lasers
why not use a regular gun then?
>>30008683
What I mean to ask is, if steel from a knife or sword can penetrate the personal energy shield. Why can't a steel/copper/lead bullet do the same?
>>30003346
That's a BR55 battle rifle of the United Nations Space Command, chambered in the 9.5x40mm M634 Experimental High-Powered-Semi-Armor-Piercing round, perfectly suited for decimating humans and offworlders alike.
>>30003146
The optic on his rifle is literally above the lens on his helmet. There's no way he could see it.
>>30008774
The helmet has a HUD. The optic is only a backup.
>>30008825
Seems rather large and heavy for a backup.
A Micro red dot and BUIS would make more sense if that's the case.
Shoot, being the future and all they should be able to have a folding RMR type optic and flips up when you need it.
>>30008836
In newer halo 4 and 5 343 switches the scope to a red dot for the BR.
>>30008711
if I remember right, the energy shields in Dune stop objects based on speed
A bullet goes too fast and is deflected, a knife goes slower and slips right through
>>30008003
How much does a set of riot gear go for?
Are there any countries that still use medieval armor in a ceremonial capacity?
>>30003584
>RFB
Its an RDB in the image, genius
>>30008711
"The slow blade penetrates the shield..."
It's like you mongoloids never watched Dune (or read the books).
>>30004465
>Technology doesn't mean shit when it still costs a shit ton.
>There was no such thing as a 600 dollar phone 40 years ago.
You are really, really fucking stupid and narrowminded, you know that?
>>30003071
Ah, a plate fanboy I see.
You know plate isn't the only kind of armor in the world with good weight distribution, right?
That's what I loved about destiny so much
>>30002902
If it just weighed the same as or was lighter than steel plate armour and protected against AP 7.62 then yes
The helmet might have to be an open faced sallet though so allow cheek weld.
>>30008711
Based on velocity
The characters in Dune have to make slow attacks with knives/swords to pass through the shield. Move too fast and it will repel you
>>30008122
The old stormtroopers were the best. I love those funky asymmetrical gas mask helmets.
