In absolute, current AR market, price and possibilities non taken into account (building etc)
What are the flaws of a Colt Defense M4 ?
Is it a "decent" AR15 ?
>>29977608
>Just build it yourself Just build Just build it yourself it yourself Just build it your elf should built it on shelf
That is all /k/ is going to tell you.
>>29977608
>What are the flaws of a Colt Defense M4 ?
It does not have a $500 barrel, midlength gas and a gucci free float rail.
It's perfectly fine if you do not care about the above.
>>29977608
Try taking it through a 2 day, 2500-round tactical carbine course and you'll find out exactly what's wrong with it.
>>29977748
I can't imagine how shitty the M4 is then for the army seeing as they are almost the exact same gun.
>>29977608
It's ok, but the Ruger and Smith & Wesson ones are about as good but way cheaper.
>>29977768
16 inch barrel with carbine gas system simply produces more friction and wear.
>>29977768
They chose it back when it still worked well. Since then, QC has gone to shit but the supplier remains the same. Aside, most M4 rifles are made by FN nowadays
>>29977787
Citation?
>>29977768
Current M4A1 rifles in the Army are being made by FN
>>29977787
Can be solved easily with a different buffer, also the Army doesn't use 16" ARs
>>29977844
I'm trying to remember what my m16 was i just remember it wasn't a colt. This was in 2008ish.
>>29977844
No they aren't they just put full auto sears in the old m4's. They put xxx's over burst and engraved full auto were burst used to be and add "A1" to the end of M4. My entire brigade got them a year ago
>>29977898
Issued weapons can be a mixed bag, through the 2000's new manufacture Colt and FN M16s were issued, but some of units still had older A1 to A2/A4 conversions and restamps on H&R and GM Hydramatic receivers.
Snowflake units like AMU have had Bushmaster, Rock River, and LMT in addition to the standard fare.
>>29977665
Almost like that's the best possible course of action or something
so... they are good guns...
My dad has a Colt AR and its about the smoothest shooting rifle I could ever imagine. Granted I've only fired about a dozen different firearms in my life, but I was so so so pleased with the accuracy and recoil of the Colt.
>>29977949
New M4A1s are made by FN, I never said they swapped out the older M4A1s or M4s.
And the M4 always had an auto-sear, if they disabled burst, then they took out the burst-cam and blocked the burst position.
>>29978300
It's by no means a bad rifle, but Colt is still pricing it as if they still had dibs on the AR-15, for the price, you could build a better rifle on your own.
Personally, I would rather pick the Smith & Wesson M&P-15, it's similar in quality by this point, but cheaper.
>>29977608
You can build a Colt Quality AR for 550 dollars.
With literally the exact same metallurgy and parts specs, just a different roll mark.
Build your own OP
>>29978052
Well then glad it wasn't built by Colt. Had it nearly 2 years and it never FTF'd after thousands of rounds and occasional neglect.
>Tfw watching Gran Torino
>Korea vets took service rifles home
>I couldn't
Shit I'd of even bought the thing.
>>29978936
i m not building a rifle i m just trying to determine if /k/ shitson colt for its quality or the pricing.
>>29978965
Just don't go shooting where /arg/ shoots . the rest of the world won't care if it says colt or what you paidfor it (theyll be glad to tell you how much that they paid...for hours)
>>29978965
Pricing.
There isn't anything wrong with the quality, they just aren't really worth the money they charge, so why pay more for something when you can get something just as good for less money?
>>29977748
>>29977779
>>29977788
>>29978872
>>29978936
>>29979071
This is all uninformed bullshit. If you want to see what youre paying for, refer to this chart. It is slightly outdated but you can at least see the extras you get with a colt as opposed to a s&w. But you really should build it yourself, that's half the fun of ARs
>>29977678
its also fine if you like paying $1000 instead of buying parts of equal quality for $600
>>29979664
most quality AR parts youd get for a build have all those criteria. you're basically paying for a rollmark and for Colt's stamp of approval after testing certain parts.
pro tip: almost every company test fires the completed uppers they sell
buy a colt if you really cant stand putting together a lower with a completed upper and/or cant live without a prancing horse on your rifle
>>29979712
Personally, if I were to get a Colt rifle, it'd be one of the older ones.
>>29977787
Yeah and you will totally notice after....40k rounds.
>>29977803
It does have merit. While they aren't "overgassed" there is a noticeable increase in recoil and wear
But carbine gas is ugly, I would know
>>29979712
A "quality" ar build will cost at least $850, which is what a 6920 retails for. Budget AR barrels are usually 4150 or MPT.
>>29979810
They retail at $999, according to colt.
You can build a perfectly fine AR for $600.
Colt is so expensive because of the little roll mark, and nothing else.
>>29979810
an "$850 quality AR build" will be a lot nicer than a basic bitch 6920, homeboy.
>>29979827
Yes you can, but it won't be the same quality as a 6920. If you can piece together an AR that checks all the boxes on that chart for $600, id like to see it.
>>29977665
>>29977678
>>29977768
>>29977779
>>29977803
>>29977844
>>29978965
>>29979833
Agreed.
That's what I said in my original post, but as far as an out of the box rifle, the 6920 is hard to beat. Carbine gas system really isn't that big of a deal.
>>29979847
PSA (read: not ptac)
Colt may have been quality before but it's pretty evident that was in the past.
Literally nothing special about their stuff aside from being a COLT BRAND COLT PATROL RIFLE COLT COLT COLT
Same with M&P too, just so I'm not being biased.
I'm not saying it's bad but you can get the same shit w/o the brand shenanigans for less monies.
>>29979865
It's difficult to compare an OOTB to a "build" because prebuilt is consistently more expensive with nothing special.
>>29979880
Like I said in my first post, I agree he should build it, but to answer OPs question, 6920 is still a good deal.
http://www.mrgundealer.com/product.colt-le6920-standard-556-nato-m4-rollmarked-098289019332-le-6920-1047
Theres one for $859, you can find the OEM1 models sans furniture for $750 and then add some gucci handrails and stock.
>>29979897
Yeah, I just still say that $859 for a prebuilt gun is too much when there is nothing special going on beside the name.
And that's why they, alone w/ most prebuilt, are generally regarded as a stupid thing to do. I would know, I bought an M&P 15.
While it's a great, reliable as shit, tack driver, I could have spent less and gotten the same thing.
>>29979897
Why not just get an Armalite for $520?
https://www.classicfirearms.com/eagle-arms-m15-ar15-rifle-by-armalite-223-wylde
>>29979914
Agreed, but as far as OOTB rifles goes it's fine.
>>29979865
PSA uses FN barrels, which are perfectly on par if not better than Colt barrels.
You can get premium/CHF uppers for ~$400
add a high pressure tested bolt (about $120) and charging handle, buy BUIS and either put together or buy a completed lower....
you just "built" a free float, midlength gas AR for $800 that checks all the colt quality boxes but is a nicer rifle.
I had a 6920, it was ok, but certainly not worth the ~$1000 they want for them these days.
>>29979664
My post wasn't uninformed bullshit you asshat.
I personally built an AR that was objectively superior to a Colt LE6920 for 650 dollars.
It literally has the EXACT SAME parts specs, with a better barrel profile and gas tube length.
Here's my AR from about a year ago
>>29979950
Theyre $850
>>29980129
cool, so you can build a better rifle for the same price. my point remains.
>>29979664
>refer to this chart
That thing is so hilariously wrong and outdated you could write a book on it.
>>29980129
Thats awesome! But what you're buying is objectively worse than what you coulf build!
This is the same rifle as >>29979966
But with an FF handguard and ITS still cheaper than an LE6920 sells for at its lowest
>>29979849
Good post, tripcunt.
>>29980144
>>29980162
This has already been stated multiple times in the thread.
Still the OPs question was is the 6920 decent. The answer is still yes.
>>29980246
Just to clarify, there is literally no reason to buy the LE6920 at its current pricepoint unless you are roleplaying the early 90s or late 200x's
You should build an AR OP
>>29980246
>$850 is decent when you could build an objectively better rifle for the same or less
you dont even half to build, you could snap an upper and lower together that would be better than a 6920 for $850
OP also asked if building is something to consider, he has multiple posters explaining the advantages of building.
>>29977608
http://palmettostatearmory.com/psa-16-mid-length-stainless-5-56-nato-1-7-13-5-m-lok-freedom-upper-no-bcg-or-ch.html
$299
http://www.aimsurplus.com/product.aspx?item=XAIMBCGNIBBDG
$99
http://www.aimsurplus.com/product.aspx?item=XANCH&name=Anderson+AR15%2fM16+Charging+Handle&groupid=2595
$15
http://palmettostatearmory.com/complete-psa-ar15-lower-moe-edition-black.html
$180
full rifle minus sights, $645
even with BUIS and a good trigger, it's still only going to be like $800
>>29980388
This is okay but IMO something like this is better and more high quality.
http://www.amazon.com/Magpul-MBUS-Rear-Sight-Black/dp/B004RR0N8
40-50 bucks
http://palmettostatearmory.com/psa-ar-15-complete-blem-lower-classic-edition-no-magazine.html
150 bucks(last summer blems like this were $120)
http://palmettostatearmory.com/psa-16-midlength-5-56-chf-ultra-lightweight-upper-with-bcg-and-charging-handle.html
500
Add magazine of choice.
Still less than a Colt with much better parts
>>29980451
It's worth the extra cash for the magpul furniture and flat top foreend/m-lok in my opinion.
kinda amazing how the bottom has fallen out of the AR market. A shitty bushmaster with commercial spec parts was over a grand when I got into shooting.
>>29980451
This is in no way superior to a colt.
>>29979929
Fine if you're okay spendin more money.
Functionally it is okay
>>29980499
Colt doesnt even use CHF barrels. How is a 6920 better than that build
>>29980552
>Colt doesnt even use CHF barrels. How is a 6920 better than that build
"ultra lightweight" upper
lolpencilbarrel
Point goes to Colt on that one, friend-o
>>29980877
>implying pencil barrels are the only CHF barrels you can buy
whats it like being a retarded colt shill?
>>29980934
I have a 20" with PSA/FN's CHF/CL barrels and I love it. I don't own any Colts. He linked a build comparing it to a 6920 and it was his prerogative to choose the barrel for the build, not mine.
I can explain it for you, I can't understand it for you. Smarten up before your next post plz.
>Colts just simply aren't worth the $1574.89
>>29978061
What I've heard from gun people who aren't /k/ and actually deal with guns and aren't trying to sell me something is that building your own makes sense if you have experience with the platform, but if you don't you should just deal and buy a nice one off the shelf.
>>29978940
>tfw when you'll never be able to buy the well used M4 you served with in Iraq, pay for the semi auto and barrel conversion at an overpriced rate
I would have payed up to $1000 to keep my rifle, even though it was heavily used before I got it.
>>29982787
so basically if you're a retard that can't be assed to do research on the gun you're going to build, you shouldn't build one. Amazing.
>>29983878
you're a simpleton
Even amongst AR fags it seems that people resolve to namecalling and general faggottry. I thought it was confined to ARG
>>29977608
I got one back in August when Walmart was for some reason no longer "carrying rifles" for about $600. It has been fantastic for me. Don't listen to these faggotrons about "hurr just build yer own". The problem with that is if something goes wrong and you try to contact one of the MANY manufacturers involved in a build they'll just turn around and say, "wasn't our part that caused the failure/problem...call the other guy". Going with a main manufacturer (Colt, S&W, Ruger, Sig) for a first time buy is a good move imo. That way you got one company to get in contact with IF something goes wrong. Like I said though, I haven't had any issues.
>>29985508
That literally doesn't happen please stop perpetuating lies and bullshit.
If something breaks they'll fucking replace it 90% of the time.
The only good thing about colt is that they resell great due to the fanboyism
also, become a real fanboy and buy an SR-15
pic very related
>>29980974
>arguing for the sake of arguing
>defending the retarded poster with perhaps even more retarded logic
summer's here
Price and lack of light mount. Now that building is an option, you over pay by $200-300. That's a lot of ammo, that's a budget scope. If that doesn't bother you, fine
Second, a fighting rifle needs a sling, light, and optic. On a HD rifle, the light is critical. The colt needs after market parts or a barrel mounted light or a lot of duct tape to mount a light. If it's a range toy, disregard
Not sure where all the anon's are coming up with $1000 for a Colt m4. They can regularly found for $750 NIB now. That's only about $100 more than a el cheapo PSA kit build if you get the premium kit from them.
>>29977787
>2500 rounds over 3 days
>wear and friction enough to cause malfunctions
are you retarded?
>>29977788
moron
>>29978300
yes, they're fine, just about $150 over priced.
try to find them on sale for 800 or 900 bucks
>>29985537
>If something breaks they'll fucking replace it 90% of the time.
Why not 100% of the time?
>>29985508
>The problem with that is if something goes wrong and you try to contact one of the MANY manufacturers involved in a build they'll just turn around and say, "wasn't our part that caused the failure/problem...call the other guy".
Must not be very secure with your purchase if you have to make up shit like that to justify it. ;^
>>29985551
There is literally a watermark for airsoft GI..or was this bait?
The $200 savings between a home build and factory rifle will barely buy a case of ammo. If you're splitting hairs over saving this petty amount then you'll never shoot either to their failure point desu.
>>29985892
>the only reason to do a home build is to save money
This is why /arg/, despite being the cesspit of faggotry it undeniably is, still manages to be the best place to discuss ARs. Otherwise, all you get is a bunch of anons trying to convince others how great stock factory is and, maybe, which of the cheapo Magpul offerings is best (maybe throw in some barbs about how anyone with a Geissele is 'compensating' or some shit).
>>29985917
>People who have decent jobs and know $200 isn't that significant on what is essentially a lifetime purchase are poorfags
>projecting this hard about brand fagging which is ironically what ARG is
I'll be enjoying your tears and my SR-15 all day.
>>29985941
post sr-15 fag
>>29985891
I actually do have an sr-15
>>29985953
Put your trip back on and I will poorsurpfag.
>>29985889
Oh I am very secure with it. I'm just not into building something that is going to have thousands of controlled explosions like 2 inches from my face. Besides. When people use the line "ya can make it cheaper than the what the big boys can make it fer" line. Its utter bullshit. Yes. You can. But will you? No. I build computers and my brother and dad build cars. The reason you build something it's to make it better than what can be found out of a box. But the reason people don't fuck around with building shit is because they want something they know works out of the box.
I know it probably seems like I countered myself with this but to me it boils down to this:
Colt/Ruger/S&W > Cheap ar build
Over the top ar build > Colt/Ruger/S&W
I paid $600 for mine. Not a lot of $600 and under home built ar's I am going to trust out there.
>>29985917
Not him.
But if you quote someone actually quote what they say. You misrepresented what he said so you could just put the argument you wanted out there.
Probably why you trip and have MilSurp (read cancer) as a name. There is a good argument for building your own, but if a person states they don't want to stop fucking trying to force the issue.
>>29985941
>still thinks the only reason to homebuild is to save money
>claims to have SR-15
>doesn't post pics
>is anon
Point proven. :^
>>29985964
it's back on now post it
I bought one just for the roll mark.
If you plan on keeping your first ar-15, just build it from parts like a lego, if not buy a colt (resell is good)
Palmetto state armory premiums have FN barrels and are basically a colt 6920 w/o the rollmark and cost 300 dollars less
all you have to do is put the upper and lower together like a field strip, stop being retarded
>>29985974
What's the MSRP of a sr-15, whys it hard to believe?
>>29985964
This. I'm not even MilSurp but if you've got a legit SR-15 I'm fucking smuckers.
SR-15s are the spiritual successor to the stoner.
>>29985966
> I'm just not into building something that is going to have thousands of controlled explosions like 2 inches from my face
>But the reason people don't fuck around with building shit is because they want something they know works out of the box.
Do you even know what goes into building an AR or do you just assume it's some massively complex procedure that can't be done effectively by a chimp to produce a rifle that's as safe as one from a factory? Man, this thread...
>>29985967
>only bring up homebuilding as a way to save money
>"h-he did't say that..."
This. Thread
>Implying building an ar is better
>>29986003
It's almost 2k USD, and that's without any ammo or accessories.
>>29986003
About $2000, which is kinda inching into high-tier AR pricing. Kinda. Believable, just lulzy to not have pics to back it up.
I am not >>29985941 btw
Pic related
>>29986015
It is if you know what the fuck you're doing. Whoever put that piece of shit together never took a metal shop class in HS.
>>29985974
Stay mad.
>>29986003
He's absolutely assblasted that average normies can drop $200 on a case of ammo for a day of shooting or "overpay" for the convenience of a prebuilt Colt/Ruger/etc without even thinking about it.
I've had my gun since I was 17 and had my first job. He's projecting hard as fuck that's why he was pussy hurt with his brand comparison.
Jesus tap dancing christ people, building an AR involves a hammer some punches a wrench and maybe a vice, nothing more.
The part where all the explosions take place is secured by screwing on one single nut and it's good to go. You don't even have to fucking headspace it since the barrel extensions comes attached. There's nothing hard or unsafe in building it if you're able to feed yourself and hit the toilet when you take a piss
>>29977949
Yup lol
>>29980162
>But with an FF handguard and ITS still cheaper than an LE6920 sells for at its lowest
and it will resell for lower too, because its some no-name AR cobbled together by a backwoods gunsmith
>>29986008
Why would I build a $1100-1200+ rifle when I can get one as a casual shooter that is far cheaper and is basically the same? Are you a competitive shooter? Are you a 1337 oper8or on tier 0 operations? No you probably aren't.
Its not hard. I know this. BCG, Barrel/Upper, Trigger, buffer tube housing/spring. Nothing more to it. But this isn't IKEA tripfag, nor is it /arg/ so maybe you should fuck off to that cancerous thread and jerk each other off more to that fat wetback's "art".
Pic Related: Its /arg/ in a nutshell.
>>29980313
>literally no reason
There are 2 reasons actually. Resale value and warranty.
3 if you consider making poor tripfags like yourself asspained that you'll never be gucci a reason, which i do.
>>29986076
You can build one at the same quality level as a factory built one but it will be way cheaper
Apparently it is hard, considering I have to tell you why it is better
are you a 1337 retard?
![WP_20160404_003[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/n9TGjwK.jpg "WP_20160404_003[1].jpg")
>>29986048
Did you take that pic with your Razer? :^
Nice strawman tho, all you did was mewl about people doing homebuilds to save money and then throwing poorfag every which way (speaking of projecting). Now please get a better camera. :^
>>29986093
d00d that isn't even an sr-15
>>29986048
Oh okay. I bought mine for $1000 (currently sells for $1, 200) right after I got out the military.
I wasn't even on /k/ then and didn't even know about 80% and custom builds. Just went to a gun show and bought one. I see the novelty of building your own, but the autistic obsession is a little annoying.
>>29986093
> He doesn't have a flip phone.
please no one cares about home builds outside of ARG. That's your containment board. Everyone else is sick of people shitting on good guns because of their lego sets.
>>29986076
>Why would I build a $1100-1200+ rifle when I can get one as a casual shooter that is far cheaper and is basically the same?
I don't think you know how the AR market is right now. You can build the equivalent of a stock AR that isn't from some third-rate manufacturer at a lower cost, not more.
>O-only oper80r tryhards don't buy factory...
This -thread-...
>>29986097
novelty of saving money? how is that autistic?
>>29986091
Non-trip but whatever.
For $600? You can? Really? You should get into selling ar's then. You'll make a killing.
>>29980388
>PSA
>PSA
>PSA
>better than anything
PSA is still budget tier and always will be
KAC, Noveske, DD, HK and a few others are gucci tier. Colt and FN are service tier.
everything below service tier is a toy, that includes PSA
>>29986102
>BUILDFAGS GET OUT REEEEEEEE
It never gets old.
>>29986113
No I can't, because many others are aware of this You are just a 1337 retard, that can't use google
want me to do it for you?
>>29986118
>I don't own an ar-15
>>29986106
It's not. Expecting others to agree with you is.
Some guy wanted to buy an AR in Switzerland and said it wouldn't save him money to build his own because cost of importing. Then 1/3 of his replies were "build it yourself it's cheaper". The autism is real.
>>29986104
Do you own a built ar for the cost of a stock ar?
>>29986130
No. I can't. Why don't you post some things proving your case. After all I am a 1337 retard.
>>29986143
At what point in this thread was that an issue?
IDC if you don't agree with me, but if you are going to make a thread to ask, expect an opinion.
>>29985744
>Second, a fighting rifle needs a sling, light, and optic.
>light, optic
no, a fighting rifle needs iron sights and a sling, i might even give you light.
optic though? good to have? yes, important? yeah, need? no
>>29986167
http://palmettostatearmory.com/psa-m4-premium-16-cmv-cl-upper-with-bcg-and-charging-handle.html
http://palmettostatearmory.com/complete-psa-ar-15-lower-classic-edition.html
http://www.amazon.com/Magpul-MBUS-Rear-Sight-Black/dp/B004RR0N8Q
total is 585
>>29985878
because colt shouldnt have to cover replacing the bcg because its caked shut with some kommandos jism
>>29986171
It was a different thread yesterday.
And IDC if you care. I didn't create a thread to ask. If you're going to reply to a thread with your opinion expect other opinions than your own.
>>29985508
Your story falls apart when you consider 90% of people pay to get a an "entry" or "mid" level AR then continually upgrade them as they have money and desire to throw at it. That's the fun of an AR. It's pretty much lego level difficulty to throw on upgrades and then you end up with enough parts for another rifle
>>29986206
If you didn't make the thread, why do you even care what I say? I don't even own a lego ar-15, I was just giving him advice on getting into them.
![WP_20160128_003[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/olRtL58.jpg "WP_20160128_003[1].jpg")
>>29986157
The cost $700 to build. If to-spec A1 builds actually were sold prebuilt through non-secondary vendors, it would cost a shitload more than that.
The 14.5 middy w/ Geissele S3G FCG would also cost a fuckload more than the $1050 in parts it has for the base rifle.
Building a rifle will invariably be cheaper than buying an equivalent factory build. This is a fact acknowledged for years now. More importantly, you will get -exactly- what you want from the get-go. If you want to buy factory, fine. Plenty of people do it. Acting like the only reason to do a homebuild is to save money, however, or even that it doesn't save money, is delusional.
>>29986015
another satisfied PSA customer
>>29986195
>PSA
>>29986135
>I dont own an AR 15
thats right son, i own 8 of them
>>29986245
just an example to show 1337 retard, I haven't bought from them myself
>>29986015
>polymer lower
>drop-in FCG pack
>non-spec NiB BC
Don't expect a certified retard to not have the capacity make his gun explode, factory or not.
>>29986210
You also fail to see that my file was titled "New Furniture".
>>29986252
post ur most gucci ar then
>>29986035
Thats the point. When people first start out they don't know.
>>29986119
stop pixking on the summerfags, you're just overly defensive because everyone shits on you frankensurp
>>29986257
>Ya see, the trigger is what made it asplode! Aftermarket triggers make the bullets hotter!
Do you literally get dumber every day?
>>29986255
Then don't post it faggot
>>29986272
>use example of typical purchase made by retards who don't know what they're doing
>YOU SAY DA TRIGGA MADE DA GUN ASPLODE?
This thread mang.
>>29986270
>stop pixking on the summerfags
No, it's fun.
>you're just overly defensive because everyone shits on you frankensurp
I don't count GC as "everybody." I don't even count him as a person. Just like I don't count is shitty attempts as bantz.
>>29986278
I said you can build a colt quality ar for 600 bucks, and then I backed myself up
stfu faggot
>>29983928
For real? I'm not even that guy but ARs are so ludicrously easy to put together they are literally likened to barbies and legos... y'know, the kids playthings. They are so easy to build that some companies make money by not milling out the receiver and letting others do it, even with a hand drill.
But sure, yeah he's probably the one showing simpleton-like qualities in his posts. Definitely.
>He doesn't have a cryptic bcg
l m a o
>>29986223
So you built an A1
That must mean it jams twice as often as they usually did
>>29986293
I'm going to use all this squabble to ask an ar15 qttddtot.
Say I do want a quality AR I'll build myself. Don't need to go basic minimum either. I'd spend $800-900 instead of bare bones.
Can anyone tell me the upper and lower or what I'd need? Also is it as simple as putting them together and inserting the pins? Or are there tools required. Lower goes through FFL right?
Real question, real replies appreciated.
>>29986316
Well, the A1s weren't known for jamming, and what few issues I've had were corrected with a simple press of that handy-dandy FA, so nah.
>homebuilds are inherently less reliable
Este hilo. :^
>>29986314
>He uses a $200 BCG to define his personal worth
>>29986293
Comparing Colt to PSA. Ha hahahahaha
>>29977608
Yes, they're supposed to be good AR-15s.
>>29986330
Look at BCM uppers and PSA
>>29986352
PSA lowers*
>>29986343
It's literally the same shit with more modern gas systems and better barrels
>>29986342
He's an ARfag, he probably will think you're confirming his belief system with this post.
>>29986330
just get a forged upper and lower, you don't have to spend much money there, unless you want a gucci rollmark or ambi controls
>>29986330
Depends what your definition of quality is. Gucci? Mil-spec?
>I'd spend $800-900 instead of bare bones.
Mil-spec.
>Can anyone tell me the upper and lower or what I'd need?
Anything mil-spec. Even PSA's components manage to be this.
>Also is it as simple as putting them together and inserting the pins?
If you buy the upper and lower already assembled, yes. If you're starting from the ground up, no, but it's still easy.
>Or are there tools required
See above. If already assembled upper and lower, just push in the takedown pins. If actually built (not "built"), you only need a very basic setup consisting of a vise, an armorer's wrench, an upper vise block set, some punches, and a hammer. You should have half of this shit lying around already, and the specialty components like the vise blocks and armorer's wrench can be found on Amazon. This setup cost all of $80, and I started with nothing, in an apartment.
>Lower goes through FFL right?
Lower is the only part the ATF classifies as a firearm.
>>29986343
colt is worse than PSA, have fun paying for your rollmark
>>29986343
Nigger something like 3-5 fabricating companies supply all of the basic bitch components that every company and their grandmother sells, and 2/3 of a Colt M4gery is made up of that. Everything else is military spec that every company and their grandmother also offers these days. Fuck even PSA uses FN barrels with their Premium line. And Colt hasn't exactly been flooring people with build quality this last year either
>>29986266
Colt M4
DD RIS II rail
giselle SSA trigger
magpul k2 grip, alum extend trigger guard, bus, M2 sling, and ACS stock
Acog
(pic still has the AAC 3-prong which has since been switched out to a surefure break)
surefire m900 with 900 lumen led
stock is kind of heavy and a little long, thinking about a vltor or just a plain old b5
>>29986426
nice, you like the acog? I can't decide if I want an acog or just a t-2
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>>29986426
That VFG is straight cancer, yo.
>>29986352
BCM barrels are better? I'll consider that any reasoning you can tell me?
>>29986365
I needed more specific. If I want to build a real quality machine.
>>29986371
I was in the mil. So yeah mil spec is what I desire. Sexy is good to tho.
I guess what I'm asking is help a guy who is no stranger to AR's build the best one he can. Also some people swear by PSA but others say it's meme sauce. I don't know what to think.
Let me put it like this, with a $1,000 budget, what would you build?
Thanks for replies also.tits and donuts for breakfast.
>>29986464
http://www.bravocompanyusa.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=BCM-URG-MID-16-BFH-KMR-A-15
http://www.primaryarms.com/anderson-manufacturing-stripped-lower-7075-t6-multi-cal/p/kt-ar-15-a3/
not sure what furniture you like, so thats w/e
it might end up being a bit over 1k, but not by much
>>29986518
forgot to ask, is that for rifle AND optic? or just rifle?
>>29986526
Ideally I'd want an acog like I was issued. Those cost more than the rifle tho.
But no I buy cheap ass Nikon scopes and make it work. Like I said not a complete stranger to the weapon, just never assembled my own.
Thanks I'm checking it out.
>>29986464
> with a $1,000 budget, what would you build?
I've always liked the early-mid2000s carbine look, so it'd be a flat-top mid-length with quadrails, a VFG, a light, and an optic.
Since we're on a $1000 budget here, I'd go to PSA for a lot of the parts. The upper is out of stock, but they replenish quick usually, and it runs all of $50-$60
Upper; http://palmettostatearmory.com/stripped-upper-receiver.html
For the lower, their pre-assembled CTR offering is very nice.
Lower; http://palmettostatearmory.com/psa-ar-15-complete-lower-magpul-ctr-black-blem.html
Couple this with an UPK...
UPK; http://palmettostatearmory.com/psa-ar-15-upper-build-kit.html
And a charging handle
CH; http://palmettostatearmory.com/psa-ar15-m16-7075-t6-forged-mil-spec-charging-handle-24080.html
And a good BCG from BCM;
BCG: http://www.bravocompanyusa.com/BCM-Bolt-Carrier-Group-MPI-Auto-M16-p/bcm-bolt-carrier-group-auto-mp.htm
Now, everything south of the chamber is done. We're at $450 if I'm not mistaken.
>>29986433
if you have the money you should definitely get one.
i love mine
>>29986447
what is you specific complaint?
its a little on the heavy side but other than that...
>>29986554
I think a 14.5/14.7" middy is absolute sex. It looks good, recoil is laughably absent, and it's short enough for CQB while still able to make nice groups with decent velocity behind the round. I'd go with a premium PSA offering, as it's actually CLd and made to-spec.
Barrel assembly; http://palmettostatearmory.com/psa-16-5-56-nato-1-7-mid-length-premium-cl-phosphate-barrel-assembly.html
Since we don't want to get party v& by the ATF, I'd send that barrel assembly, exactly as it arrived from PSA, to ADCO to pin and weld a flash hider on it to bring it to the technical 16" requirement. This is done expertly and quickly for all of $30 (or more if you want a muzzle device that's not an A2 FH). I had them cut down, recrown, and pin my 16" barrel earlier this year and couldn't be happier with the results.
ADCO P&W service: https://www.adcofirearms.com/shopservices/shop_qnew.cfm?code=Perm%20Attach%20Muzzle%20Devices
The rail would be a MI quadrail, drop-in or free-float. They cost around the same, but let's say you go with a free-float so all of the meanies at /arg/ don't so rudely mock you.
MI FF rail: https://www.midwestindustriesinc.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=category.display&category_ID=422
We're just over $900 now, and the base is complete.
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>>29986625
Looks like balls and promotes chicken-choking.
>>29986640
Now's the fun part; accessorizing. We'll go over $1000, but not by much.
For the rearsight, the KAC 600m is hard to beat. They're usually $150+, but lots of surplus sets have hit the secondary market and can be had for much less. Their prices are going up rather fast though, so I'd be quick on getting one.
KAC BUIS: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Knights-Armament-Micro-Iron-200-to-600m-Rear-Flip-Sight-P-N-25650-NEW-FREE-SHIP-/371604855161?hash=item5685601979:g:LJ0AAOSwiYFXFo~0
Now your rifle is able to be taken out to the range. Not comfortably though, since your hands are getting mauled by the rails of your handguard. This is fixed, easily, by a cheapo set of ladder covers.
Ladder cover: http://www.ebay.com/itm/11-Ladder-Rail-Cover-27-slot-Handguard-Weaver-Picatinny-Pack-Of-4-BLACK-/251875776202?hash=item3aa4f756ca:g:saoAAOSwd4tUEejA
We should be at $1000 now, and you have a perfectly shootable rifle. Optics are immensely personal, so I'll leave that up to you. If you're on a budget, though, I cannot recommend the Primary Arms MD-ADS enough.
Red Dot: http://www.amazon.com/Primary-Arms-Advanced-Buttons-MD-ADS/dp/B00OD2L62M/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1463588545&sr=8-1&keywords=md-ads
>>29986554
>>29986640
Thanks I'm checking out your build selection along with other anons.
We're the hand rails picatinny? I want that for attachments. Specifically something like a surefire with an auto press attachment close to trigger. This is going to be my full on operator AR so I can give the wifey my Sig m400 to bumblefuck with.
>>29986688
For the light, as with the rear BUIS, secondary market comes to the rescue. Lots of surplus Surefire M951s are on ebay, and come with good mounts. These lights are big and heavy, but they're also immensely reliable and can be cheaply and easily upgraded with an LED drop-in from Malkoff that improves brightness and battery life.
Light: http://www.ebay.com/itm/GENUINE-SUREFIRE-M951-WEAPON-LIGHT-A-R-M-S-RAIL-MOUNT-TACLIGHT-RAIL-LIGHT-/252393625265?hash=item3ac3d516b1:g:tsEAAOSw2GlXH6nW
I'd get a VFG to mount under the handguard. It's just more comfortable and can really help with pointing your rifle. Lots like the KAC offering, but the shorter options from BCM and GG&G fit more with my thumb-break hold without being as long. Take your pic though.
VFG: http://www.primaryarms.com/ggg-1543/p/ggg-1543/
For a sling, Magpul has a lot of good offerings, as do other companies. I chose the MS-1 because of its quick adjust buckle.
Sling: https://www.midwayusa.com/product/2319136994/magpul-ms1-multi-mission-single-point-2-point-sling-nylon
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>>29986718
Yeah, just your basic spec M1913 rail.
>>29977777
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>>29986741
QD attachment points for a sling or really, really nifty. Since you have a rail and a stock with QD clots, why not make us of them? MI offers very solid options. I chose their flush button offering.
QD sling points: https://www.midwestindustriesinc.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=category.display&category_ID=99
I think we're around $1175 now. So for that, you could build what -I- would build. This kind of rifle build isn't exactly hot news (though it would have been around, oh, 2004), and also comes in at about 9.5 lbs, so it's not light either, but it is solid and implements proven components
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>>29986806
Pretty solid from what I can tell. Probably won't mimic every part but basic components sound good. So thanks for basic breakdown.
How does she shoot tho?
>>29986930
Nails skeet clays at 100 off-hand with no issue whatsoever and has no recoil. I managed about 1.7 MOA when I was really trying to measure groups, but I'm sure it could be better,
>>29986189
I placed them in order of priority.
But if you think you can be an effective fighter without positively identifying the target in dark indoor environments, you're wrong.
If you think you can be effective out to 500 meters with zero magnification, your wrong. You need to not just hit a man sized target, you need to be able tell what or who that man sized target is
>>29987089
>You need to not just hit a man sized target, you need to be able tell what or who that man sized target is
A good pair of 8x42 binoculars are way better for target ID at range than anything you're going to have mounted on your rifle.
>>29979725
I wish mine had the modern smaller push pin at the front, but otherwise my A2 HBAR is pretty good.>>29979751
>>29986379
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/3SWcl5oC0tA/maxresdefault.jpg
>>29986411
Sure. Whatever you say.
>>29987774
Colt's as basic as basic gets, senpaitachi. Sorry.
A few years ago, I intended to build an AR but got a 6920 instead. It was literally the only choice available to me at the time, given that it was in October of an election year.
I don't regret buying it at all, and it's been a fantastic gun--it even handles Wolf ammo just fine.
However, in retrospect, I would have built my own if I could have. I would have saved 400-600 dollars putting all of the accessories I wanted on it.
>>29987774
LMT, CMT, MMS, and LAR manufacture 90% of all mil-spec AR parts in the country. They are sold to, and re-branded by, smaller companies like Spikes, PSA, Noveske, etc.
>>29986554
>$1000 budget
>buys PSA
I don't know how many layers of retardotroll we're on here
>>29980344
Btfo
>>29991277
Oh, you're one of those inbreds who thinks a forged lower and upper's quality is determined by its rollmark. That's a damn shame. Good luck out there, anon. :^
>>29991277
read
>>29991083
and kill yourself.
>>29991277
With the exception of their bargain-basement PTAC stuff, there's nothing wrong with PSA parts.
