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Current news:
>E-111 AR-15 Petiton 25.2k signatures Status: Complete, parlament has until June 27, 2016 to respond
>E-124 Petition to add property rights to the charter. 4.3k Signatures Status: Complete, to be read before parlament.
>Bill C-230 An Act to amend the Criminal Code (firearm — definition of variant) Status: Second Reading/First Debate(Scheduled for May 16)
http://www.parl.gc.ca/LegisInfo/BillDetails.aspx?Language=E&Mode=1&billId=8111356
>Bill C-246 Modernizing Animal Protections Act(Hunting - More strict measures against hunters/trappers) Status: Introduced
http://www.parl.gc.ca/legisinfo/BillDetails.aspx?Language=E&Mode=1&billId=8122718
>Bill S-223 An Act to amend the Firearms Act and the Criminal Code Status: Dead after 15 seatings unless someone re-sponsors it. (Seating 6of15 - May 12th)
http://www.parl.gc.ca/LegisInfo/BillDetails.aspx?Language=E&Mode=1&billId=8177186
>Bill 64 - Quebec LGR has been approved by QC Legislature and is before a committee.
>PPSH-41 Semi-auto has been approved for sale as restricted based on barrel length. No news further details yet waiting on response from importer.
>>29963736
>C-230 scheduled for second reading/first debate today
>main news story CBC today: Pregnant Woman is Murdered in Toronto in yet Another Shockingly Senseless Example of Gun Violence
>>29964764
>Criminals do criminal shit
Shocking news. Tell the TO cops to tell the border cops to stop letting in bangers from Detroit. Then tell the TO cops they should go back to profiling people.
>>29963736
>>Bill 64 - Quebec LGR has been approved by QC Legislature and is before a committee.
Not going to register. I would rather pay the fines if I ever get caught than register with the French fucks.
>>E-111 AR-15 Petiton 25.2k signatures Status: Complete, parlament has until June 27, 2016 to respond
What's the likelihood they respond in kind with some condescending, fearmongering bullshit as opposed to being sensible people?
>>29964988
Pretty high, but at the same time it's the record holder for signatures in a parliamentary petition so far which means that they can't really just dismiss it without dismissing their entire "we will listen to the people's petitions" spiel that they were talking about before the election. It would kill a large chunk of credibility.
>>29965200
that's a good point. I'm hoping against hope that the Libs will stick to their rhetoric about being for logic and reason and willingness to work with everyone
>in my dreams/nightmares
>>29963736
>Bill C-230
Was this the bill that looked good at first but is actually kinda bad?
Some club bouncer got plugged in hamilton hopefully they dont use that to represent an increase in gun violence
>>29965304
Well the concern was that the whole bit about "unmodified receivers" would impact things with a prohib version that wasn't specifically named (eg Lugers would all be prohib even with a long enough barrel), but there the bill only applies to sections regarding "variants" and so would, in theory, only apply to things that are prohib by name rather than any other qualification. This would mean the SVD would be legal, and potentially even a lot of AKs, without touching the Luger or other handguns with a prohib version based on barrel length.
What's the best calibre for all Canadian game except migratory birds?
http://www.strawpoll.me/10230011
>from grouse to grizzly bears
>plz no hacking strawpoll
>plz be srs
>>29965386
Hamilton Ontario?
Isn't that place kind of a shithole anyway?
>>29965648
No shit it's going to be 12 gauge.
The entire point of a shotgun is versatility.
>>29965648
Left 4 Dead. With Canadian rules.
All automatic weapons have to be fired as if they were semi auto only, and you have to reload after 5 shots. Handguns must reload after 10. No SMGs because they're prohibited.
Download the Cz858 skin for the AK.
Also on hardest difficulty.
Good luck.
>>29965671
That's why I said no migratory game otherwise the smoothbore 12 gauge may reign supreme. It's worth noting that some hunting regulations don't allow you to hunt some game with a shotgun.
>live in BC
>can't hunt migratory game unless you use a shotgun or a bow
>can't hunt Mountain sheep, goat, moose, grizzly, Elk, Caribou, or Bison unless you use a centrefire rifle
>for Bison- ammunition that is 175 grains or larger which retains 2712 joules or more at 100m is the bare minimum
So the average hunter would look for a rifle calibre that
>is cost efficient for target shooting
>can deliver enough energy for Bison hunting
>can deliver enough energy for a clean kill
>has good softpoint ammo availability
>isn't too powerful for his shoulder or eardrums
>>29965685
>using pump action shotty
>fight migratory zombies
>have to put in a wooden plug that limits the shotgun's magazine to 2
>>29965803
You should re readthe regulations. Shotgun are fine to hunt big game with.
>>29965803
.308 for everything but birds. Unrifled shotgun for birds. The .308 is relatively cheap compared to all other rifle calibres with some approaching the same price point, but has far more ammo availability and variety than most other calibres, save perhaps the .223, on the market.
>>29965655
Yes.
So is Brampton, where a guy was recently shot in a parking lot.
>>29965824
Nope
>all game can be hunted with a compound bow
>all game can't be hunted with a shotgun
I mean I guess the government wants to give noguns a chance at hunting game here.
>>29965840
A guy who hunted using 308 win on moose talked to me about how he lacked power with it. His friends used 300 win mag rifles and they were able to deliver clean kills.
>maybe he's just a shitty shooter
Yeah maybe so but the trajectory on a 300 win mag is easier to predict.
Also the 30-06 definitely has more grain variety when it comes to factory loads.
Cost efficiency and availability wise, the 308 is the king.
>>29965851
man if I lived in Ontario I'd avoid all the cities like the plague, they sound like pure Cancer
then again, I wouldn't even want to live in Edmonton or Calgary so fuck
>>29965945
>Yeah maybe so but the trajectory on a 300 win mag is easier to predict.
That's because the .308 has less power behind it than the .300 win mag. At least in factory loads. You can hunt anything in North America with it just fine though if you hit vitals.
>>29965945
When referring to shot it counts as a shotgun. When using a slug it counts as a centre fire rifle. Slugs have always been legal for big game.
this fucking goy gets to handle a stoner, HOW DOES HE GET HIS GREASY GOY HANDS ON EVERYTHING?
>>29966137
That shirt, so cringe worthy screams
>HI I'M A DUMB TOURIST PLEASE RAPE MY FACE
>niggers have illegal guns
Not fair.
>>29963736
>>Bill C-230 An Act to amend the Criminal Code (firearm — definition of variant) Status: Second Reading/First Debate(Scheduled for May 16)
>May 16
I'm not big on politics, What was done on this today? any news?
>>29969078
It was debated but didnt have time to finish so it stays at Second reading and is placed back into the order of precedence
>>29969094
Thanks
>>29969078
I haven't heard the results, but the idea behind the bill is that it defines the term "variant" in the CC as it relates to firearms. Specifically the part about prohibited by name guns. It says a variant has to have an unaltered receiver to the original, therefore allowing a ton of guns to become legal again, like .22 AK look-a-likes and the SVD.
Thoughts on the Norc 1911s? Been thinking of one as my alternate carry piece. Much as I love my Tok, few guns I've held feel as good in the hand.
At he beginning of the year the press was pushing hard for anti-gun shit and I even heard the phrase "year of the gun," be thrown around a couple of times. It seems like this rhetoric has calmed. What happened? Did it just not stir as much commotion as they wanted or statistics don't back the rhetoric, or what?
>>29969183
With minor fitting/trigger work they are excellent plus forged frame.
>>29969203
Are modern Colts cast frame? You would figure for the price it would be forged.
>>29969222
Colts are yes but most others are not. Plus colts cost alot more.
>>29969222
no, they are also forged
no idea why he mentions that
the norinco 1911s, like all norinco products work, but are shit quality
i'd spend the extra money for sr1911 or other budget, but quality gun, unless you're super poor and just want a beater, i wouldn't waste time trying to improve a norinco
>>29969183
>Carry piece
I'm afraid I don't understand
>>29969196
There's still a lot of stories, but they are mainly about the gang wars going on in the various cities across our country (like what happened today in Toronto). The earlier stories about "easily modified to automatic" and the like were probably the RCMP testing the waters- but at the moment, it's the gangland stuff that is more sensational.
>>29969264
>but are shit quality
The finish is typically shit, but the function is good. At least in the last 5 years. Worst complaints I've heard about were lemons or the T97 mag issue where it doesn't like certain mags.
>>29969299
he is an rcmp officer who posts here all the time trying to bait people into breaking the law or admitting they do so
>>29969352
every single norinco i've had or known someone to have has had at least one or more fairly annoying issues
>>29969368
Every anecdote I've heard was that the finish was typically the biggest issue and that they might need some polishing on the internals. What exactly do you mean by annoying issues?
seen a m14 that fell apart if cocked fast, fucking norinco
>>29969358
>Tok Guy
>RCMP
Kek, I know him, he lacks the temperament to be RCMP. Used to be a milfag, now he just drives trucks or something.
>>29969399
This is what I've heard too. Most people I meet with Norc 1911s seem happy with them.
>>29969419
Sup Tok Guy without a trip, or Tok Guy's coworker.
Thanks for keeping our streets safe, one post at a time.
>>29969415
Sounds like a lemon. Quite frankly that happens to every company.
could have been, saw 2 at the same time, one did it bad, the other was threatening to it seemed
>>29969457
DON'T TALK ABOUT MY BABIES LIKE THAT
>>29969512
When life gives you lemons, you burn life's house down with those lemons.
>>29965386
>>29965851
see
>>29964764
if they're gonna run with something it'll be this
What's the legality of importing something like this?
And if it's legal, how can I?
I want to make some replica rifles (airshit) of different countries (Poland/Hungary /Russia /etc) but using real parts for authenticity.
>>29970161
From a surface level, it doesn't look like C-230 is either pro or anti gun, just looking to clarify a term in the legislation that was never strictly defined. When applied, it becomes clear that it may actually legalize a significant number of rifles though.
>>29970566
It kills me that the SVD is classified as an AK variant when it's nothing at all similar.
Alberta, Manitoba, and Saskatchewan should join the USA.
>oil, wheat, cows, guns, and freedom!
Have you any experience with the Mossberg MVP?
>bolt action .223 that takes AR mags
>>29971657
Also higher crime rates, lower standard of living, lower democracy rating, lower IHDI, no healthcare and worse education.
>>29971603
But the buttplate screw is the same! Sounds like a variant to me.
>>29971719
Do they come in a lefty version?
>>29971719
I've always wondered, what's the legality of unpinning an AR mag and using it exclusively in an MVP or other manual-action firearms? I imagine it's still a big no-no, but Lord knows I'm tempted to poke the hornet's nest.
>>29971737
wonders of federal government structure.
you can have all those things through the state government. Instead of waiting for DC to provide.
>>29971779
you want the RCMP to shoot your dogs? because this is how you get the RCMP to shoot your dogs.
>>29971779
Thats a no, its based on the rifle the magazine was originally designed for, in this case AR-15. So limited to 5 or 10 if you use pistol mags.
>>29971788
Yeah but you won't because Western provinces are full of retards who think that the free market will fix everything. They would be Mississippi tier overnight.
>>29971603
C-230 would actually fix that. The AK family would be prohibited, but the SVD, not sharing a receiver, would be legal again.
>>29971826
>SVD legal
Muh dick.
Also what about the FAL? Would that be legal? I don't understand why I can own an M14 but not a semi-auto FAL when they are effectively the same in terms of what they do.
>>29964764
>>29970161
oh yeah, time for that half-hour prime time special
>>29971859
Seeing some sweet bbguns there.
>>29971841
FALs were specifically named as prohibited. Here's a complete list. The rumor is that they flipped through a caliber or guns-n-ammo catalogue and circled all the scary ones.
http://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/regulations/SOR-98-462/FullText.html
>>29971737
>lower democracy rating than "French Speaking Mafia Land", and "The Province Formally Known As Toronto's Bitch".
>lower standard of living than "Welfare: The Province, Parts 1 through 4" and "Heroin Addicts vs Chinese"
this is why I don't give any credence to these metrics.
>IHDI
I don't know what this is, really. It adjusts for "inequality" which suggests it's bullshit
>no healthcare
that's simply not true
>worse education
I really doubt that the western provinces have worse education than Ontario, you can't get worse. Even African countries have a better education system, though perhaps less available.
>>29971880
Correct about the guns and ammo thing, but the FAL was prohib based on it being in current military service at the time. AR-15's were also set to be prohib but gun owners at the time made a case that AR-15 had sporting purpose.
>>29971877
I was wondering if /k/anada could ID some of them
like, I can see sub-over9000 and what I think are some norc shotguns
>I was also wondering why those boxes the guns are laying on look so perfectly sized, were these taken form Canpar or something?
>>29971934
Evidence boxes.
I see an SKS, and AR-15, BB revolver, break air rifle, Sig SP2022, Cheap turk shotguns, possible S&W 5906, alot of the pistols are to hard to make out.
Personally, I support the Quebec Long Gun Registry. Historically, and recently, the people of Quebec have shown themselves to be subversive and violent. Quebec is the only province to have had a terrorist organization, as well as the province with the most ideologically motivated mass shootings.
Simply, the quebecious CANNOT BE TRUSTED. When eventually they start stirring up dissent again, having a convenient list for the RCMP to reference before conducting door-to-door confiscation will be helpful. This will not obviously eliminate all firearms from Quebec society, but it will remove enough to tip the balance of power more towards the feds than the people of Quebec.
If Quebec Sovereignty becomes an issue again, the Quebec Long Gun Registry will be a great tool in suppressing it.
>>29971978
ah I see , and didn't pay attention to the grip on the pump and assumed it was norc
>>29972065
>If Quebec Sovereignty becomes an issue again
we should just let them separate, have all the sane people leave, the rest freefall economically, collapse and get restructured -- no more special privileges and paying political separatism ransoms
also, Quebec gun owners are by enlarge decent good people, fucked by their circumstances, and you want to fuck them even more because of a few separatist crazies. serious separatism died decades ago, get with the times and defend the rights of your fellow Canadians
>>29972065
>Lol I don't like them, through all the good people under the bus
>That'll learn them for being stuck in a shitty province
Eat shit.
>>29972065
>All Quebec gun owners should have to register their guns because of a few crazies
>It's not fair that we have to register our guns because of a few criminals
These threads...
>>29972157
>>29972185
>>29972216
Hook, line, and sinker my friends.
I used this argument very successfully at a liberal house party (literally filled with members of the liberal party), against someone from Quebec who was very anti-gun and somewhat sovereignist.
By the end of the party he didn't like the idea of the Quebec Registry anymore.
Sometimes you have to go full retard to show someone how retarded something is.
>>29969183
Do you want that ratnik gear? You never replied so assumed you didn't. Dick move cause the armorercmp gets pissed when we do this.
I asked an Anon a few days ago but he never responded, unless I've missed it. What's life like in the Armour Corp? I'd imagine it's 99% maintenance, is that true? Also, someone one mentioned you get some input on if you go to the Strathcona's or the Dragoons (with the Army ignoring at its discretion). Is that at all true or am I being fed bullshit to get me in?
>>29972315
>you said something stupid and people said it was dumb
wow you're clever
>>29972456
Sorry, been working. Just got laid off, so I'll have to pass until I can scrounge the cash. Believe me, that's something I want pretty bad.
>>29971779
If there was a magazine specifically made for the manual action rifle it wouldn't be limited to 5 as a centerfire.
>>29971880
>The rumor is that they flipped through a caliber or guns-n-ammo catalogue and circled all the scary ones.
How else would the fucking G11 make that list? There's literally no other way.
>>29973469
RCMP already said that anything that can fit in an AR15 is designed for an AR15 and they won't accept anyone saying it's just for their bolt action.
>>29973523
So if you had a single feed, double stack magazine (like the R700 AA mags) that was clearly designed for a bolt action rifle, but can fit in an AR, then it will be pinned?
>>29973798
It's a case by case basis from what I can tell. They allowed the 10 round AIA mags that fit into M14s, but not the 20 rounders. They also said no to the VZ58 pistol someone was trying to import so they could have 10 VZ mags. They've also said no to .50 beowulf pistols.
>>29973847
>.50 Beowulf pistol
Life would be good if that where to happen
>>29974258
They already said they'd declare any magazine marked ".50 beo pistol" as prohib device regardless of how popular the guns actually get.
>>29974276
>We aren't going to follow the letter of the law
>because fuck you that's why
Quite an interesting organisation we are policed by.
>>29974302
They were basically given ultimate executive power over all decisions related to firearms that fell in a grey zone. So they do what they want. They let some things slide and others not so much.
>>29974324
So do you think they know about the 20 round Remington 700 mags (for the Archangel stock,) that just happen to fit in the M305, or do you think they have yet to look into it? That would be quite a surprise if they knew about it and let it through.
>>29974352
Haven't heard anything definitive there, but I would suggest no. I know they labeled the 20 round AIA mags that fit into M305s as prohibited, though the 10 rounders are ok.
>>29974365
I'll keep my mouth shut then. I wouldn't want to lose my brand new mags.
>>29964988
>I mean, why does anyone need an AR-15 in 2016
I unironically expect those exact words from Just cuck my shit up Trudeau
>>29974501
Hard to say. I'm expecting the typical "explode the durr" comments.
>>29974481
The aa700 stock?
>>29974501
I expect him to be silent on this. He's always been silent regarding guns after becoming PM. He only cared about issues back when Harper brought up bill C42. I think Trudeau recognizes that...
>talk about gun restrictions
>gun owners get mad
>talk pro durr
>urbanites get mad
>take photo ops
>free women's vote
So his choice is obvious.
>>29975470
Yeah, the perfect time to pass more gun laws would have been around early december when there was both a school shooting and the polytechnique anniversary (it makes me feel dirty talking about these events as political tools). There isn't a strong push for gun control in Canada like there is in the US, the Liberals won't gain any votes by passing more laws that they wouldn't have gotten already. Hell, they may even gain votes from gun owners by not passing or changing anything
Any Nova Scotians or New Brunswickers here?
>>29974352
Did you have to modify the rifle or magazines? Do you have any feed issues?
t. not an RCMP agent
>>29975629
They're pretty easy to spot.
Just say "Shooting on crown land" and you can hear them crying in the distance about muh poaching laws.
>>29975669
Can you shoot on Crown Land in some provinces and not in others?
>>29975682
I'm told the fish and game warden can be a bit... overzealous in the Maritimes.
I've heard of people who were clearly just plinking at steel and paper targets with .22's being arrested for poaching.
>>29975682
>>29975709
yeah, i've heard if you want to plink with .22 you should have a hunting license and do it during varmint season so you're legit, even if you're just plinking
>>29969399
on my m305 the safety can engage the trigger and fire when you take the safety off
my friends 1911 won't feed a lot of types of ammo, and a lot of mags don't work
my friends p226 clone won't work with sig mags
my friends m305 had the extractor sheer off after <100 rounds
norinco is garbage, only buy it if you truly are a poorfag
>>29976450
OK, so say there's a known bear in my area (DNR has gone and put those bear warning notices on your door) could a legally go into the woods with a rifle. Even if it isn't hunting season?
>>29976656
based on everything i've heard, they would still accuse you of poaching
>>29976669
Hmm, how about this. Worst case Ontario I get charged by the dindu bear, I shoot him in defense. Do I get charged?
>>29976669
Sometimes you have to wonder if they get a fucking commission or something for every "poacher" they catch.
>>29976693
Maybe they have a quota like the RCMP officers do.
PAL/RPAL came in the mail today
I can finally be hasguns
>>29976970
Congrats anon
>>29976970
What you getting first?
>>29977173
Not too sure yet, I'm just a college student and don't have a ton of money to get stuff
Looking to get a rifle, pistol, and shotgun. But don't have any specifics ones in mind
>>29977289
>12 g
>22lr rifle
>bolt action high powered rifle over 3000 joules like 308 win, 30 06 sprg, 300 win mag
These are the basics for non res assuming you'll hunt at some point.
>>29976540
My Norinco AR-15 has gone through over 1000 rounds without a single malfunction and it's more accurate than I am
>>29977289
bee like me comrade and get a tt and a spam can
cant wait for it to be eh okayed by rcmp
>>29977897
Wait. Does 7.62x25 come in spam cans? I've been buying mine by the box.
Although if it's corrosive idk if I want anything to do with it.
>>29977380
fuck .22 lr
You get bored 1/2 way through a magazine
>>29975652
Not him I have one mine feeds terribly due to weak springs and shitty non leveling follower. Another guy on here claims his work fine tho. Its promag chances are he got really lucky getting anything that works from them.
>>29977941
They come in both
Ususally boxed ones are noncorrosive, but it depends who supplied them
More often, canned will be corrosive
>>29976540
>Your friends
Have you personally witnessed said malfunctions or are you friends just missing chromosomes.
The only person on here that ragged about Norinco products with proof he actually owned any was skeletor.
>>29978067
i didn't describe any malfunctions in the case of my friends guns, i said they're out of spec, and the extractor failure, not malfunctions
my m305 has a bunk safety that is extremely dangerous if trusted
>>29978282
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vb5quj6ZhJM
>>29977941
Corrosive is not an issue, what's wrong with you?
>used Armalite upper and Colt 20" barrel for 350$
Das it mane
>>29978324
Problem is I found this out because a friend of mine does use safety
>>29969264
>sr1911
Speaking of these, do any Canadian dealers carry the Night Watchman version?
>>29978764
This is why you always keep the firearm pointed in a safe direction at all times.
>>29964988
He'll take one look at it, mumble "don't need that," and crumble it up and throw it in the trash.
>>29976540
>norinco is garbage, only buy it if you truly are a poorfag
Said someone who's never had a Norinco firearm.
The quality is hit and miss but what never changes is the price. Don't be a faggot and tell people they're garbage when all of your experience with them is
>Oh, my friend ____
>Oh, I read online that _____
ITT: People discover how easily Canada General is triggered the mention of Norinco.
>>29979371
Or property rights.
>>29979250
I have said several times that I do own norinco and have handled many, they are good for their price but that doesn't make them good
>>29978982
It was poineed down range but not yet shouldered
>>29979701
>they are good for their price but that doesn't make them good
If your money is that worthless you can give it to me.
>>29979785
>If your money is that worthless you can give it to me
what do you mean?
>>29974276
>They already said they'd declare any magazine marked ".50 beo pistol" as prohib device
Umm...
>>29980112
5 round rifle magazines not sure what you thought they were.
>>29974501
Prime Minister? More like Prime Memester.
The way he talks sounds exactly like how a Redditor sounds. The only politician who's worse in this regard is Tim Moen, but at least he's not a stinkin' liberal.
>>29977289
A lot of people will say that a .22LR is an inexpensive option.
Then again, it's inexpensive because you won't be purchasing ammo anytime soon.
>>29977941
Handguns are piss-easy to clean. Corrosive ammo is almost a non-issue.
Corrosive ammo is more of a bitch to clean in rifles because there's a lot more to take apart, and sometimes the construction is tight; you might have to pull off a part, then twist it off into several smaller pieces, undo a spring, clean off the corrosive salts, then put 'em all back together.
>>29980097
Saying something is good for the price then saying the item is also not good is a logical fallacy yet you still claimed to own one. Therefore since you don't value the gun but still would still pay for it means you don't care about wasting money. I'll take your burdensome money or guns from you.
>>29979409
Or Tok Guys.
>>29980204
That too.
>>29980198
it was the first and last norinco i bought
yes i realize it's a logical fallacy but you know exactly what i mean
if you are poor and literally cannot afford anything better, they do function reasonably, but i don't believe in cheaping out on guns, if you want cheap quality guns there are a lot of surplus firearms that are much better than norc
>>29980267
Yup sure quality really gets you alot in this country I don't rely on firearms for my life, so top quality is pretty useless for glorified toys. I'd rather put more of my money into ammunition. Nothing wrong with expensive toys they have their place.
C-230 First debate notes.
http://www.parl.gc.ca/HousePublications/Publication.aspx?Pub=Hansard&Doc=56&Parl=42&Ses=1&Language=E&Mode=1
>>29980112
I'm talking about 10 round pistol mags marked as .50 beowulf because it would allow 28-30 rounds of .223 and the RCMP have said "no go."
>>29980362
The RCMP logic is that there is no Pistols Manufactured in .50 beo.
AA only makes uppers and complete rifles not complete pistols or pistol marked .50 beo lowers. They have also said they will not licence off their patents on the uppers so no other company can currently make .50beo marked pistols.
>>29980399
The RCMP also refused to allow the importation of VZ58 pistols, so there can't be VZ58 pistol mags.
>>29980334
99.9999% of people only use their guns as guns anyways, even if self defense or cc was a thing here, the odds are extremely high they'll never be used for such
>>29980426
You can defend yourself in your home with a gun, as long as you can convince the court you thought there was the potential for you to die when you pulled the trigger.
>>29980415
They allow the VZ58 pistol but it is classed as a restricted variant of a rifle.
>>29980443
Exactly, it isn't a pistol under their system. Therefore no pistols mags.
>>29980459
>RCMP also refused to allow the importation of VZ58 pistols
Was more posting to the effect that they do allow importation. Most people just buy them with the stock because its easier.
>>29980435
I'd just let them kill me, the legal process and potential prison time isno worth living for
>>29980481
Except there aren't any importable VZ58 pistols. All that gets imported are rifles, according to the RCMP. There isn't any way to import a VZ58 pistol and have it legally regarded as such.
>>29980506
http://tv-presspass.com/when-a-handgun-isnt-a-handgun-the-vz58-pistol-rcmp-report/
But there is.
>>29980525
So in other words it's a restricted rifle as far as the RCMP care. Not a pistol and so no pistol mags.
Any BC residents here have any experience shopping with Wolverine Supplies?
I really want to buy from them, but I have no idea how much their shipping costs. It would be better to ask them directly, which I already have, but e-mail will take a while, probably. If I could at least get a rough idea, that would be excellent.
>called about my RPAL today since it's been two months since they called my first reference (dad) and never called my second (gf)
>lady says they mailed it on the 6th
OH BOY OH BOY OH BOY OH BOY OH BOY OH BOY OH BOY OH BOY OH BOY OH BOY OH BOY
Now for a first fun. Thinking about a .30-30 repeater, but there's also a Canadian Tire SKS or taking a look at whatever my local milsurp store has. Heard modern Marlins aren't very consistent. Howsabout Savage?
>>29980907
Shipping of an anti tank rifle was only $60 or so dollars from them.
Anything that can go regular post should end up cheaper.
>>29980983
I need to know why you bought an anti-tank rifle.
They picking through your diesel crop? Or do you really hate a particular rock?
>>29980983
Well, I was only planning on buying a handgun from them, so it should be much cheaper.
I suppose I have a decent idea of the shipping now.
>>29981022
They are simply too much fun.
John also has one of the largest collections of big bore weapons and safari guns in the country.
>>29981022
Not him, but I want to own something stupid-huge someday.
>>29981035
He's got some pretty amazing antiques, too. I need to start saving my pennies.
>Antique Mauser C96 complete with stock
>>29979371
I-I like my nork shotgun anon
>>29981040
Guy you replied to here.
I do as well, but when I do. It will be either an M82A2 or a Lynx.
Big, expensive rifles are my shit.
>>29981022
>Why?
Why not?
>>29970553
>Importing
Pretty much 0%
>something like this
Literally banned by name for looking like an AK
>>29981151
I don't know what mine will be, but I do know that I want to spend more than $4000 on it.
I don't think I could trust my life with anything cheaper.
>that $1700 Chinese upper that converts your .223 AR into a .50 BMG single-shot
>the $2000 rifles that were recently announced that are basically glorified slam-fires
There's no way I'm trusting Chinese mickeymouse shit, and there's no way I'm paying a quadruple-digit dollar amount for a nigger rig.
>>29981325
The receiver is the actual prohibited part, but border security basically won't let anything AK related through despite it being technically legal.
>>29981645
The DA 50 cal upper is made in Canada. DA is Canam's branded products.
>>29981692
At the risk of being called a backpedaler, it's designed for the AR, which means it's Restricted only. That's a deal-breaker for me. Also, it's a single-shot. That's also a deal-breaker, though to a lesser degree.
I'd much rather get a dedicated .50 BMG rifle, practicality be damned.
>>29981713
There are a few magless lowers that are non restricted. Alberta rifle does limited runs of their own and there is the ferret50 both non restricted.
>>29980948
SKS makes a great first gun. Reliable, simple, and easy to shoot-very forgiving of any mistakes, and ammo is cheap.
Where you located? Near Edmonton? If so I'll go shooting with you.
>>29982061
Can confirm Tok is a great guy. He's too corrupt and cool though so you gotta take the pin off of your center fire assault rifles when u see him bro. Bring some fucking weed too.
>>29980353
Thank you for this. Very interesting reading for anyone interested in seeing how our parties are thinking right now.
Synopsis:
>bill is pitched by Miller (C)
>supported by Zimmer (C)
>Rankin (NDP) voices semi valid concern about clarity
>Picard (L) speaks against bill, claims RCMP does a good enough job. Clarification is not necessary. Makes vague hypothetical conjuring images of criminals with AKs on every corner. Names AK47 by name.
>Rankin (N) speaks again, against bill, summons spectre of PUUUBLIC SAAAFETEY.
>Zimmer (C) repeats statement. Says we need consistency.
>Lamoreux (L) goes full retard, brings up muh polytechnique, says Common Sense bill was a terrible idea
>Lobb (C) makes gloriously cheeky speech, basically calls Libs idiots, says they have likely never fired a gun before, says Canadians simply do not trust Libs when it comes to guns or rural issues, because they have no experience. Says he was planning to make some restricted purchases this year, but will not as long as libs are in power, because he does not trust them not to take his guns away. He'll wait for the next Conservative government.
>>29982061
>>29982422
>Rankin is my fucking representative
Just fuck my shit up
>>29982327
Now I'm even more convinced that he's actually an undercover cop.
>>29982434
See, I could never be RCMP. I lack the chin.
>>29982327
I don't mix weed or booze with guns. Not really safe.
>>29982452
You think the amount of times I went shooting with local Anons, one would stick their nose in and go "hey, he's not RCMP, just some retard like the rest of /k/!"
>>29982497
>>29982422
Actually, Lobb says that he only has a NR license, and doesn't plan on buying guns at all because of the Liberals.
I gotta admit, that's the wrong thing to say. By saying that he won't buy more guns because of the Liberal government, he is giving Liberals what they want. They feel validated in their stance because they've managed to convince an evil conservative that he doesn't want more guns.
>>29980353
>"While I am certain that the intention behind the proposal is honourable, I must acknowledge that it is not one our government can support."
Wew, what a huge fucking surprise. Lobb made a great speech though, it's a shame no one in the Liberal or NDP caucus is going to listen due to it being Conservative-initiated and pro-gun.
>>29982497
I've never met you, man. The only people I've seen vouch for you are other people posting in /k/.
For all I know, they could be you with your trip removed. They could be your fellow RCMP colleagues. They could even be random nobodies lying for shits and giggles.
So what if anonymous posters claims to have gone shooting with you? I had a Boston Creme Donut last week, but you only have my word that I actually did.
>>29982573
I hope you're lying, Boston Creme a shit.
>>29980164
I don't understand. Why won't ammo be purchased?
>>29969419
how does he carry then?
>>29982644
Because they're sold out everywhere.
Okay, to be fair, you can still buy it, but it won't be at Canadian Tire or Cabela's. No sir, it'll be at Joe Nobody's front porch, at a 53% markup.
>>29982657
He uses this thing called a holster.
>>29982693
ggwp
>>29982657
Shoulder holster. He talks about it in the "GUYZ SHOULD I BUY A SHOULDER HOLSTER" threads that occasionally pop up.
>>29969183
I wonder how accurate the Norc 1911s are, compared to other brands. Been thinking about one myself, since I don't have a 1911.
>Tfw BHPs are like $1200
FUCKING OUCH
Alright, so these dinky little things.
Cheap plastic trigger locks that you can get for $2 apiece, maybe even $5 for a pack of three.
Do these actually satisfy storage requirements when used with handguns? I'm finding it incredibly hard to believe, but I just have to ask.
>plastic construction
Not even the good kind of plastic. Usually the kind of plastic that's used for making dollar store toys. You can cut, melt, or break it very easily
>very simple key mechanism
The "key" is nowhere nearly as complex as the most basic keys. Two little pins go into two little holes, and you turn it. You could probably do this with a fork, a pair of tweezers, toothpicks, etc.
Goddamn, who uses these things? I realize that they would be ideal for gun stores and gun shows, where a whole bunch of firearms are out for display, but even then I don't see them that often. The last time I went to a gun store, all of their display guns had real metal trigger locks with actual normal keys.
>>29983546
They are absolute junk, but technically they meet the requirements.
>>29983546
The only thing they are good for is to meet the bare minimum storage requirement
>>29983546
They meet the requirement, but are total shit.
How do you guys feel about the Type 97? I want a non-restricted rifle that can use 50 beowulf mags, but doesn't cost $3000 CAD. I'm aware of the magwell issue. any other common issues?
>>29983949
I like mine. But any optic will be high over bore, unless you somehow manage to find one of the ultra-rare YMA optics the gun is meant for.
The FTU makes it infinitely more usable, but ruins the looks. Iron sights are shit (a different front post does wonders, apparently), and odd control placement aside, it's fairly comfy to shoot.
Also, some dude used one to fuck up a bear, and inflamed countless anuses across CGN.
>>29984214
I saw the picture with the guy posing with the bear he just shot.
I prefer the look of the FTU, does the FTU have decent iron sights?
>tfw you will never live in the great cuck north
Vancouver and Toronto are literally the scum of the earth
>>29984360
It has no irons, just buy a set you like and slap 'er on.
>>29984377
Well, to be fair, we're no Cali or NY.
>>29984377
>talk shit about 'Ronto and New Beijing
>is home to Detroit, San Francisco, LA, Austin, and Jew York
Wow. Just wow.
>>29984377
>Vancouver
>scum of the earf
Hold the fuck up.
This place may be an overpriced hellhole filled with arrogant rich mainlanders and flip slaves, but its nowhere near as scummy as Brampton or Surrey.
>>29984514
Overrun with liberals, NDP, and Chinese transplants. It certainly isn't stellar in Hongcouver.
>>29982587
This. Vanilla dip is life.
>>29982587
>>29985329
Honey cruller all the way
>>29986995
Double chocolate m8. That's what's actually good.
>>29982691
i went to cabela's last week and bought 300 rounds
they have an entire case full
this was the one in barrie though, ymmv
>>29977941
yupp , came in a big tuna can style box like this .
Take a pair of needle nose pliers and twist it like your making metal snail shell .
If you pull the tab it will sheer off and then your fucked.
OR
you can melt off the seal by placing it in the oven at 420F for 30 min ;^)>>29978048
>>29988045
the fresh ones are good but my fetish is the old ones , not the day old ones or the stale ones but the old ones that are kinda krusty on the out side
>>29969183
has there been any tok post ever that DIDN'T include doing something illegal?
>>29988687
Then he wouldn't have anything super cool and edgy to shitpost about and would be like all the other obnoxious tripfags
Just finished my course and I've got a couple questions
How do I print the PAL form? Adobe reader won't fucking let me
Where do I mail it?
I was thinking of getting a cheap milsurp (sub 500$) as a first rifle, prolly either nugget, sks, svt40, mauser or enfield. Since it'll prolly be winter by the time I get it and most indoors clubs don't allows FMJs, are there any of these rifles I can get non-FMJ ammo for?
Can you go shooting at a club even if you're not a member?
Do you have to have an RPAL to become a member of a club?
I'm in cuckbec btw
>>29988813
Don't go mauser or enfield first the ammo is easily double the $/round of your other options.
>>29988813
I think you have to 'save as' the form then open from there.
From what I remember I had trouble filling it out until I saced it then opened it
>>29988813
>surplus rifle for 1st gun
pls. do the gun community a favour and actually learn to shoot before you go buy some pos rifle. get a 10/22.
>>29988913
mauser and enfield are the only ones worth getting, aside from maybe the sks.
also, using a high-powered rifle in an indoor range is kind of a faux pas, because it is a) extremely noisy and b) shows that you can't shoot for shit since most indoor ranges are 25m long.
>>29989018
I wouldn't be dropping 500$ on a gun if I didn't know how to fucking shoot
>>29989109
People have dropped more on a first gun without ever shooting before
Kek someone took a swipe at lil'JT in the Senate today. JT immediately apologized.
Canada is so boned
>>29982061
As much as I'd like, no. HRM here.
Maybe I'll put the call out when I actually get something.
>>29989687
You have a link? I really want to read this shit and stay in the know, but the gov. Websites are convoluted and shitty. I cannot find a god damn thing.
>>29990131
It was mention on ottawa local news between news segments no video found yet and fuck if im going to watch cpac to find it. CTV news will put up footage when they find it.
>>29990131
>>29990175
http://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/pm-trudeau-accused-of-pushing-mps-in-house-of-commons-1.2908055
>>29984214
>ruins the looks
I actually like the way the FTU version looks. And this is coming from someone who has openly hated/criticized the T97. The FTU version is actually almost convincing me to give it a second chance.
The original T97 honestly looks like a toy gun that was painted black.
>>29989109
just seemed like a reasonable assumption considering the post mentioned
>first rifle
and
>doesn't even have his pal yet
and
>using a high powered rifle in an indoor club
as an aside, there are used guns for sale that aren't milsurp. usedfirearms.ca has plenty of rifles listed if you are committed to getting a hp rifle as your first.
>>29988813
>How do I print the PAL form? Adobe reader won't fucking let me
Ctrl+P
>Where do I mail it?
Read the instructions on the front of the PAL form
>I was thinking of getting a cheap milsurp (sub 500$) as a first rifle, prolly either nugget, sks, svt40, mauser or enfield. Since it'll prolly be winter by the time I get it and most indoors clubs don't allows FMJs, are there any of these rifles I can get non-FMJ ammo for?
Every surplus rifle has commercial non-surplus ammo available for it, but it'll cost you. Be prepared to pay at least 4 times what you would normally pay for surplus ammunition. Or find a shooting range that isn't so gay.
>Can you go shooting at a club even if you're not a member?
Depends on the range's policies. I've seen many members-only ranges, members-and-their-guests only ranges, and ranges with specific drop-in days/hours.
>Do you have to have an RPAL to become a member of a club?
Before I answer this, a little clarification:
All shooting ranges are clubs, but not all clubs are ranges. There are many people with NR-only PALs who are members of ranges and clubs.
You might've heard "Restricted" and "Club" in the same sentence before, hence the confusion. What this refers to is that when you purchase a Restricted-class firearm, you will be required to show proof of membership to a club, to prove that you have a legitimate use for handguns and ARs.
All shooting ranges are legally accredited clubs, but there are clubs that don't have their own shooting facilities that also qualify. That's what I want to make very clear.
>>29989659
I have never been shooting my whole entire life, and I have dropped thousands into the hobby already.
>tfw have a PAL, firearms, ammunition, and a safe
What's holding me back? All the local ranges are full. I either need to make a special trip out of town (out of several towns, possibly) to find a range that's either open or not completely bullshit.
Just finished my PAL and RPAL course over the past weekend in Toronto. I'm waiting on my confirmation of completion to be approved so I can send my paperwork into the RCMP, which I know could take anywhere from 2-6 months.
My question is, do I need to do my shooting at a range? Or can I go out to crown land, say in North Bay, and just build a berm and pop shots off at that?
>>29988687
>>29988812
That's not true-I do my best to avoid rabidly shitposting and offer advice when I can. Hell, usually I just lurk, especially if I don't know anything about the topic, rather than shitting my ignorant opinion all over the place.
>>29990553
With non restricted yes, with restricted not legally but I know of quite a few people who do it.
>>29988045
>>29985329
>>29986995
>Not Sour Cream Glazed
Disgusting plebs, all of you.
>>29990575
Good to know. Don't plan on buying a handfun for a while. Going to do the /k/ starter pack and buy myself an SKS or a nugget.
Are SKS alright for hunting? Looking to get into that too. Unfortunately, I've little background - i'm a suburban to urban transplant who's trying to get into the outdoor life.
>>29990553
You can shoot non-restricted firearms on Crown Land, but you'd have to make it really damn obvious that you're there to shoot as a hobby.
You don't want to be mistaken for a poacher or a serial killer. Even if you have all the iron-clad evidence in the world to prove your innocence, that's still countless hours wasted in the courtroom.
Just play it safe and buy yourself some actual dedicated targets. Don't just shoot cans and be like "I'mma shewt me some kayns wit a twenny too"
>>29990491
>You might've heard "Restricted" and "Club" in the same sentence before, hence the confusion. What this refers to is that when you purchase a Restricted-class firearm, you will be required to show proof of membership to a club, to prove that you have a legitimate use for handguns and ARs.
unless you live in ontario
>>29990522
gotta find yourself a quarry
why buy a membership to a range when there's a perfectly good quarry 45 min away lol
>>29990611
SKS is just alright for hunting nothing spectacular but will kill durr dead at shorter ranges.
As for fun and cheap to shoot its the best choice aside from 22
>>29990611
>Don't plan on buying a handfun for a while.
One of the first things I would do is obtain a gun club membership, get a letter from your club, and submit it to the CFO. One thing that a lot of first-time Restricted buyers forget to do is exactly this. This can easily stall a transfer by at least a week or two. Do it in advance, and waste less time when you do buy your first handgun.
>Going to do the /k/ starter pack and buy myself an SKS or a nugget.
Do the /k/anadian package. SKS, SVT, and a nugget.
>>29990611
not exactly. it's a heavy and kind of noisy gun to be rattling around the bush with.
if you were to put some glass on it, it could be marginally effective for coyotes or jackrabbit.
if you were planning to hunt deer with an sks, you might as well get a 12 gauge and just shoot slugs.
you need to be a pretty keen shot to hit a running deer with a slug at more than 40m away. usually we load slug - ssg - ssg if i'm using an auto, that way the first shot (when he's standing still) could be a haymaker, but if i miss or he still has a little steam i can knock him down before he gets out of sight.
quadripedal (deer, coyote, rabbit, etc.) or upland fowl hunting guns are ones that are carried a lot and fired a little, so you want it to be as lightweight as possible. you dont care much about recoil because you only fire it a few times a season.
waterfowl or sport guns can be heavier because you're not hiking around with it, and you're usually shooting a lot during a day - eg several rounds of trap/skeet/sporting clay or several ducks
if you need an 'all-around gun', a pump or auto shotgun is usually the best bet. you can hunt with it, bust clays with it, target shoot with it, whatever. if you're just learning to shoot a 10/22 or other .22lr can plink or be used to hunt small game. i use .22 wmr for hunting jackrabbit but thats a personal preference.
milsurp guns are most effective as wall-hangers or target shooters, despite what /k/ would lead you to believe.
>>29990623
>unless you live in ontario
Clarify, please.
>>29990861
you no longer need to be a member of a club to get an ATT on restricted items if you live in ontario
confirmed by gun store clerk last week.
>>29990884
YEEEAAAASSSSSSS
Thanks for that, Chummer. Due yo get my RPAL in 40 days or so. And that is some bitchin news.
You know why that is?
>>29990884
Funny how Ontario is ahead of all the other provinces in this regard.
>>29990928
You live in the liberal hellhole that is Toronto and there is no good ranges.
>>29990928
No anon, please tell me why!
>>29990956
Because it's TWENTY-SIXTEEN.
>>29990936
ontario also issues something called a "prospector's licence" which is basically an open carry licence for bear defence. though, you need to phone the police and tell them when and where you're going to be carrying. kinda cool t b h
>>29990941
what do you have against toronto
>>29990978
You mean bear defense isn't standard in Ontario?
I could've sworn you can take non-restricted firearms innawoods for bear defense, period.
>>29990814
this
milsurp weapons are interesting from a cultural and historical perspective, and can be fun to shoot, but they wouldn't be any knowledgeable hunter's first choice
>>29990941
Yeah that makes sense.
>>29990956
BEGONE SPECTRE OF KEKERY! AVAUNT!
Also, are we allowed to know the name of our CFO? I cannot find it anywhere, and want to confirm my suspicion that I know my province's CFO personally.
>>29990992
Way to many seats and high amount of liberals greatly imbalances the Urban/Rural divide in the favor of Urban.
>>29990992
The kebabs, pooinloos, feminazis, tumblrinas, and unsavory dindus.
These people are incorrigible, I swear.
>>29991001
i mean restricted
e.g. a glock 20.
