>Croatia
>poor and small country
>only one working MiG-21
>government needs to buy new aircraft because we NATO now
>probably multirole
What would you guys suggest?
>>29888095
F/A-50
Comparable performance compared to Gripen D yet is about half the price
Nah, they are going to pull a Greece and buy a submarine.
>>29888120
Dunno why but i laughed like crazy
>>29888120
Greeks like their military like they like their mortgage. Underwater.
>>29888120
>>29888130
>>29888404
>>29888095
F-35s
>>29888095
Typhoon.
Inb4 mad lockmart shills.
F-15, maybe, but that might be a tad expensive
>>29888478
Probably too expensive for Croatia.
>>29888496
>>29888508
>>29888485
Just buy used tornados or f-16s.
Honestly your croatia. As long as its good enough to beat serbia down your good. Who the hell else would invade croatia.
>>29888544
>Trouble keeping MiG-21s up to date
>lmao lets buy swing-wing interceptors
>>29888544
you know, that one big country, the reason Nato exists.
>>29888095
>What would you guys suggest?
Couple of second hand F-16s.
>>29888549
Even better.
>bunch of MiG-21s were sent to Ukraine for repairs
>"yeah Ukraine is of Croatia best friend"
>MiG-21s finally returned
>they are even more fucked up than before
th...thanks
>>29888095
F-16s. They're about to be super cheap when other NATO members upgrade soon, and you can't throw a rock on any NATO air base without hitting someone who's worked on them.
>>29888095
considering your GDP, etc...
The Alca, its cheap, it flies, it goes fast enough, and you can stick missiles onto it and slave those to ground based radar. Perfect for a cheap defensive fleet.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aero_L-159_Alca
or
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AHRLAC_Holdings_Ahrlac
It doesnt exist yet in an armed form, but south africa is pretty good about making military hardware happen, and quickly.
>>29888689
Which is crazy considering what the SA gov has done to industry in general.
>>29888641
I want to see the croatian hatefuck the mexican
Golden Eagle.
It's like a smaller F-16 with 2 seats.
Or 2nd hand F-16s.
>>29888095
Gripen NG is the bedt choice.
F22 Raptors
>>29888714
This.
But USA will probably push hard to sell their F-16s.
>>29888714
Too expensive.
>>29888117
This. FA50 is the new F5.
>>29888117
>>29888709
>>29889321
But F/A-50 won't gonna get any significant variant improvement. Basically it's performance will always be around 80~85 percent of JAS-39D,while Saab will roll its NG variant, with more powerful engine, increased payload as well as more powerful aesa radar
>mfw my country has more functioning mig 29s than Croatia has functioning mig 21s
feels great desu
>>29889741
So? My country flies mig29 alongside f/a-18 on regular basis
>>29889760
the thing is we're even more poor than croatia is
>>29888641
What did the ukrainians do ?
>>29889718
>while Saab will roll its NG variant, with more powerful engine, increased payload as well as more powerful aesa radar
Thats great anon, but nobody gives a shit.
Cost is obviously the primary concern.
>>29889718
Actually you can get more powerful F/A-50 variant. It's just that since F/A-50 isn't the primary combat aircraft (not even secondary combat aircraft) for RoKAF, they are less compelled to arm it to the teeth like the swedes with their gripen NG variant.
Besides, South Korea also has their own 5th gen fighter project to attend to.
Among F/A-50 improvement that is offered to potential customers;
>F414 or eurojet engine
>up to 4 radar to choose from (including 1 aesa radar)
>targetting pod (either litening, sniper or ATFLIR)
>CFT tanks
>>29889760
Malaysia has a joke air force though, nowhere comparable with even the Philippines
>>29889850
They should get invaded by Singapore. They are so undeserving of their resources.
>>29889850
Keep dreaming, maid race.
Don't you have cement to mix?
>>29889864
Kek they should be grateful Malaysia gave them independence peacefully
>>29889891
>quabbling over 0.2" when you're sub 5" anyway
can't make this shit up.
If you were going to bring anything up, bringing up asian dong sizes probably wasn't the way to show him 'superiority'.
>>29889905
>Implying Singapore wouldn't rape M'sia like Israel did to their neighbours.
>>29889891
F/A-50 has comparable performance abd capability as JAS-39D and is capable of carrying advanced munitions (AIM-9X, AMRAAM/Derby, JDAM, Harpoon as well as other laser/IR/gps guided munition). Having targetting pods also means that no buddy-lasing is necessary. The alone puts it ahead of the shitty monkey model export MiG-29s Malaysia uses.
This isn't some make-believe fighter jets like hawk 200,M-346 or L-159. This is a legit MRCA. Once worst korea finished developong their own AESA (because Lockheed Martin being an asshole), you can expect similar development like what the swedes are doing with their Gripen NG
>>29889915
This is a typical Malaysian mudnigger, what do you expect
Nowadays the Armed forces of the Philippines (AFP) is in its aggressive mode to rearm and transform themselves into a capable conventional, network-centric forces, in the light of growing chink expansionism and neo-colonialism, as well as putting the armed forces in its rightful place; as the top dog of South East Asia
Among ongoing modernization programme (which is carried out under the Horozon initiative):
>new, state of the art R4 assault rifle
>new body armor
>new Korean-made LMG
>new armored vehicles(ACV-300, AV4) to complement existing fleets of M113s and V150)
>new Israeli 155mm howitzer
>at least 4 state of the art frigate to replace WWII vessels
>2 helicopter carrier/LHAs from Indonesia
>AW109 ASW helicopters
>MPA from japan
>F/A-50 multirole/maritime strike aircraft
>Sokol helicopter to complement UH-1s
>new transport aircraft (c-295, C-212) from indonesia
Most realistically Croats will shut down there airforce, and just operate rotary, like Bosnians.
>>29889915
Hey, .2 inches still counts if you want to hit your missus' base
>>29889929
I like how you keep copying my old post about F/A-50. Give something original, kid
Next time, you gonna repost my post about philippines "asset acquisition" or how KAAV-7 really meant to flip marines
>>29889891
Flipfags military superiority
Id go for used Gripen C/Ds.
Cheap to buy, cheap to operate and since others in the region use them the maintenance cost should drop.
The purchase prize is the least important cost, life time and FH costs are way more important. Gripen is also designed to be used with minimum support and from poor airbases.
The F/A-50 looks good on paper but nobody here uses it so I assume the maintenance costs will be high.
>>29890031
Other than South Korea, Indonesia,Iraq,Thailand and philippines are golden eagle users, and they're pushing it hard for USAF TX new generation trainer. They all will keep the price down due to economic of scale
Besides, you could get a new,upgraded F/A-50 at 1/3 the price of gripen NG
>>29888095
You know the answer.
>>29889995
Why are they taking pictures of what must have been one of the most farcical hostage rescues in history
>>29890123
Beats me. Why don't you ask that flip jingoistic fanboy retard that keep copying my old posts™? He might have an answer or two
>>29890059
>A bunch of countries nowhere nere of croatia.
Its better than nothing, but they would still need to have a compleatly independent maintenance structure since all of those countries are really far away. Anyhow Im okay with giving you this one as I didnt know that many countries used the FA-50.
>Besides, you could get a new,upgraded F/A-50 at 1/3 the price of gripen NG
Wich is compleatly irrelevant to my argument wich was all about used Gripen C/Ds. Used Cs can be sold really cheap when the SwAF starts the transition to Gripen E in the next few years. But purchase price isnt (or atleast shouldnt) be the most important factor, getting the best aircraft with the least lifetime costs should be.
To be honest I dont know what would be the best option, but I wouldnt exclude the Gripen C.
>>29889109
>desire to ride on the highway to the dangerzone increases
Croatia please, if we can afford to keep MiG-29s, then you sure as fuck have enough money to run something more than a 21.
t. bulgar
>>29890730
Finally the roadbase system is back
>giggling with glee
>>29888095
here you go
>>29890783
This is a pretty old pic. But the roadbase system is comming back in one way or another.
I could tell you how but then I dont want to go to jail.
>>29890795
How is this a budget option?
>>29890820
It's been in the news.
F-16s, call it a day. They're the gold standard of affordable multirole export fighters.
Gripen.
>>29888095
either gripens or second hand F16.
>>29890832
A superbug is cheaper than a Gripen C, the model that actually has ok avionics.
If you want cheap, the USAF is getting rid of their F-16C's pretty shortly, however those are all high-hour frames.
>>29893104
Gripen probably has better operational costs. Just sayin.
This is the only answer
>>29893104
high-hour frames
This
Buying ex-US fighters means you have powerful logistics to deliver spare parts, tons of highly experienced US pilots as instructors and state of the art training facilities to send your pilots to.
The downside is the highly experienced US pilots got their experience flying the shit out the planes you're buying.
Swedish Gripens are all but factory new since they only have money to fly a few of them a couple of hours each year.
>>29888095
>reading about Croatias fighter acquisition
>[...]the Defence Ministry finally announced in June 2013 that the Ukrainian firm Ukrspetsexport will provide Croatia with 8 single-seat and 4 twin-seat upgraded MiG-21 aircraft.
>buying MiG-21s in 2013
And I laughed at the Argies for buying Israeli Kfirs.
At that point it would be better to invest the money in wine yards or something because buying obsolete trash is just wasting your money.
>What would you guys suggest?
Didn't you guys buy RBS-15 missiles a while back? Those things can be loaded onto Gripens, that might be useful when those dastardly Italians come for Dalmatia again.
>>29893264
>high-hour frames
will this meme ever end?
Show me ONE plane that has cracked in half during flight because "m-muh High hour framez" and killed the pilot.
fuckin lockmart has done well beating that catchphrase into your fuckin dimwitted minds.
>>29893408
>I don't understand basic materials science: the post
>>29893408
>Show me ONE plane that has cracked in half during flight because "m-muh High hour framez" and killed the pilot.
This doesn't happen because flight technicians do maintenance on a plane after every flight, and determine whether its safe to fly it again. If it gets a 'No', it doesn't fly.
>>29893408
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_aircraft_structural_failures
According to this list there has been almost a dozen failures from metal fatigue resulting in deaths.
Enough meme for you?
There is a reason why engineers check every load bearing part meticulously after every flight.
Hmm?
Cheap to build and maintain, COTS avionics and low RCS due to high use of non metals in construction.
Perfect for Croatia if you ask me.
>>29889929
>because Lockheed Martin being an asshole
Except it was the US government that cockblocked the tech transfer.
>>29893696
solid wood construction is excellent for stealth
>>29888095
This is a stupid question, but can US planes use Russian missiles and vice versa? Would it be possible to set up the Su-30 to use AIM-120D?
>>29888095
Hey I'm getting stationed at Holloman!
>>29893632
>There is a reason why engineers check every load bearing part meticulously after every flight.
>engineers
that's a funny thing to call some pimply face 19 y/o who just finished up tech school
>>29890832
While not the cheapest its one of the best options
- comparable price wise with other good multiroll aircraft
- modern airframe and electronics
- still in production so you wont need to cannibalize
- not used to you should be able to keep them for a long time rather than buy some used jets that will just need major work or replacement in 10-15 years
and if you buy now i'll throw in this free blah blah blah
>>29893841
>pimply face 19 y/o
Fair enough, some things does not translate all that well into English.
A greasy conscript checks for stress fractures.
>>29893778
Not without ripping out all electronics, nigger rigging new pylons and designing purpose built new electronics to stuff back.
It's cheaper to build a new aircraft altogether probably.
>>29889832
What slavs always do, try to "fix" something and make it worse, then refuse to take responsibility by blaming someone else.
>>29889741
Fucking North Korea has more "functioning" Mig-29s.
Question is if their pilots are well fed enough to climb the ladder to the cockpit.
>>29893369
>white text on nosecone "TRYCK EJ HÄR"
>DON'T PUSH HERE
Yeah, i know these things are made to be handled by 18yo conscripts too stupid to get out of doing military service but seriously...
>>29889741
>mfw my country has more F-22s than yours has MiG-29s
Feels good man.
>>29889741
>functioning mig 29s
Having the front seat in the short bus isn't all that impressive.
>>29889938
Fuckoff chink. Malaysia and Singapore will never come to blows. Both need each other. Its not in our blood too. Malays hate conflict while chinks see no profit in disrupted trade. Plus both countries politicians are in bribes with each other. Now, China. That's what we should start looking to sabotage.
>>29893778
No, missiles up until recently are not plug and play, and even then, its not a common architecture quite yet.
Missile has its hardware and two way data link hardwired to jet. This is all hooked up by an innocuous metal thing the missile attaches to. the pylon.
That in turn is connected to fucking archaic military hardware that works off secrets and lies, and has nothing to do with a modern computer. Never forget that.
Its only with the F-35 and like block 60 falcons and other export aircraft that we are seeing plug and play comparability with munitions. Even then, it stops being so much hardware, and a metric fuckton of software.
Check this out. You dont just slap shit on an aircraft. You slap shit on it that is compatible, then program the computers to go "hey fuckwit, you have this, this, and this on you." and it adjusts the best it can to keep the aircraft in the air. If it doesnt not understand what is going on, you get unbalanced real fast, and crash shortly there after. Review F-15 during oddesy dawn.
going to sleep. Fuck. planes are cool, but make no mistake, their hardware is fucking stupid. You could literally replace 90% of all controls on an aircraft with a smartphone, but then it would need massive engineering to compensate for all the weight loss, and after that, you just might as well develop a new jet.
hence the F-35. The first attempt at something modern, and it hurts to make a new wheel, but we will be better for it in the long run.
>>29896150
I'd fix your country first before picking a fight you would definitely lose desu.
>>29888095
Gripen. Relatively cheap, low operating costs & maintenance.
>>29893264
>they only have money to fly a few of them a couple of hours each year.
Sounds pretty memetic.
>>29888095
we have 12 working mig 21,for godnes sake
and only F-16,Gripen and FA-5 are in the play for replacment
>>29899820
fa-50*
>>29888095
I don't understand how a lot of NATO countries use russian helicopters/jets and stuff
Isn't NATO being about that like "No ruskij guns in yo equipment" or something like that?
>>29902327
A Lot of eastern eu nato countries have once been part of warsaw pact or just communist like ex yugo countries,so they inherited a lot of soviet weaponry,but like croatia are slowly replacing with western gear
>>29899820
Which model of Gripen and F-16?
Is it the Gripen C and Block 52 or the Gripen NG and the Block 60?
