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Looking for a decent hachet. I'm not well versed in blade quality so I figured I'd ask here. Just something for general innawoods work. Doesn't have to look any certain way. Just no mallninja pls.
>>29882853
gransfors bruk
>>29882853
>>29882880
I have a Gransfors bruk, and it's really cool. If you want to save a bit of money, there's Wetterlings. I sharpened up my Dad's old Wetterlings, and it's still going strong.. If you want to save more, Condor makes a decent hatchet.
I've heard a lot of people say they like their Estwing hatchets, but I don't have any experience with them.
>>29882892
I did see estwing while doing some googling. Is the gerber shit any good? I've owned a few knives by them. They don't seem to be complete garbage but I don't know about their other stuff.
>>29882880
They're too fucking expensive. Try a Husqvarna, OP.
http://www.amazon.com/Husqvarna-576926401-13-Curved-Hatchet/dp/B004VLKLJE/ref=sr_1_3?srs=2593774011&ie=UTF8&qid=1462747904&sr=8-3&keywords=husqvarna+axe
That's if you're dead set on a hatchet. I seriously encourage you to consider something a bit more useful, like a little forestry/boy's axe, or one of the various makes of Hudson bay axes:
http://www.amazon.com/Council-Hudson-Bay-Protective-Sheath/dp/B00QMK04K8/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1462748026&sr=8-4&keywords=council+tool
Stay the hell away from anything made in China. Chink steel is chintzy. The Central American stuff is... tolerable. American made or Swedish/German is still the best.
>>29882853
Bumping with totally unrelated shit because I too am looking for a decent hatchet
>>29882912
I have a USA made Gerber Prodigy knife I keep in my car's emergency kit. It's decent, but nothing special.
I don't know enough about their hatchets, but I'm not sure I'd trust their Bear Grylls line. The parang machete got recalled because it would easily break at the handle.
>>29882929
Not familiar. What's the difference between a "hatchet" and "forestry" or "boy's axe"?
>>29882853
>no mallninja
Just go to your local hardware store and buy an Estwing hatchet, then. Affordable, one piece steel that'll outlive you.
>>29882853
You don't want a hatchet. Get a tomahawk. Like the CRKT choggen (or what the fuck ever its model name is)
>>29882967
Yeah na the Bear Grills shit is cringy to me. It was just the first pic on Google
>>29882853
I use a Fiskars X7 when innawoods. It's not all super cool and expensive and wooden nor is it mallninja as fuck. It does work well tho for basic tasks, firewood prep, etc.
>>29882969
Hatchets are short little things. They're basically a hammer with an edge on it. A forestry (also called a boy's axe) is a light compact felling axe -- the axe equivalent of a pistol-caliber carbine, I guess. That longer handle makes all the difference in the world when you're trying to clear brush or chop anything.
http://www.amazon.com/22br-21-4lb-Boys-Axe/dp/B000IJVDL8/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1462748026&sr=8-1&keywords=council+tool
My little blue Collins forestry axe has lasted me since I was a teenager cutting firewood for allowance money. I still carry it in my truck for odd jobs.
Also, if you're gonna get into axes, know how to take care of one. Keep it oiled and sharp. Sand the handle. Hit it with some linseed or tung oil. Like that.
>>29882985
>CRKT choggen (or what the fuck ever its model name is)
Normally Tomahawks are shit for anything but fighting, but this actually looks pretty fucking handy. Has enough mass to chop decently, and that hammer poll would be useful. Thanks for the recommendation, brah
>>29883024
How long/large is that?
>>29883038
Specs from the website:
Dimensions
Open Overall Length 19.13 inches
Weight 2 lbs. 1.4 ounces
Blade
Length 4.21 inches
Thickness 0.52 inches
Material 1055 Carbon Steel
Blade-HRC 50-55
Finish Hammer Finish
Grind Flat
Style Front: Axe Back: Hammer
Handle
Material Tennessee Hickory
>>29882853
Try finding some austenitic stainless steel, something like allied steel (iron, carbon, nickel).
pretty hard, don't rust, and more importantly it doesnt get brittle when its really cold like other martensitic steel
>>29883024
Hm. Interesting. I still can't take one-handed chopping things that seriously unless they're machetes, but the sharp portion on the inside could serve as a kinda-sorta pruning hook.
I'd still rather save almost half the money and get another little forestry axe, though. But if you want it and don't mind the money, hell, why not?
>>29882853
Estwing, made in the USA. This is what I use.
>>29883094
They make awesome hammers, is all I know.
>>29883107
Hell yeah they do. They even make axes although I've never owned one.
>>29883077
>>29882853
Wet weather obligatory stainless
dry weather hardened steel (iron and carbon only)
>>29883021
Neat. Thanks friendo.
>>29882853
Maybe I'm just a huge faggot but I just use a Fiskars hatchet I bought from Wal-Mart. It handle has a nice little "chin" so your hand doesn't slide off, it comes in this nice sort of "sleeve" thing that the hatchet goes into, sort of like a sheathe but made of plastic. The backside is exposed steel for all your hammering needs. The blade has some chips in it, but it sharpens pretty easy, and the chips are because I processed wood on ground that was pretty rocky. Its also small enough to fit nicely in a standard US assault pack. So thats nice. Only 20 bucks also, a great buy in my opinion.
>>29882892
Don't go with the Condor, they dropped their QC ever since Wranglercuck praised it.
>>29882912
Gerber is pretty bad now, would stay away from it. The Estwing is "meh"
>>29882853
Honestly, I'd recommend that you get a small forest axe, (20" handle).
I'm personally going to pick up a Wetterlings and hand sharpen it. I'd recommend taking a look at the Wetterlings Outdoor axe. I personally prefer the Wetterlings head geometry over the Gransfors Bruks geometry. The Wetterlings is a much better splitter because of its wedge like head.
That said, the Wetterlings is also a lot more cheaper and readily available. Les Stroud seems to like the Wetterlings axes as well. The CEO is also a total qt3.14.
If you're looking for a cutting axe though, the Gransfors Bruks small forest axe will be much better suited for you. I just prefer a wedge geometry on my axes.
If you don't feel like dropping 100+ on an axe, the Hultafors axes are very very good axes for the money. The sheath is also very nice. Dave Canterbury seems to like them.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-PtVcwflSq8
>>29883135
You're welcome.
I say unto thee again: Stay away from the Chinese shit they offer at Ace Hardware.
>>29883141
Never owned one. Never heard anything but compliments about them, either. I guess I'm an axe fudd, though, because I shy away from anything with a composite handle on it. I want something I can replace the handle on my own.
>>29883163
>Hultafors
I just ordered their splitting maul from an outfit in Finland, and it ought to be here within the week. Husqvarna sells their factory seconds, but I wanted a real one. After using dad's old 8-pound Collins for decades, I am ready to upgrade.
>>29882880
First post best post. Was gonna say this. Buy once cry once OP. Or buy an old axehead and rehaft it
Estwing makes an OK hatchet for the money.
>>29882929
>Husqvarna
Best choice without spending $100+
>>29882992
Best choice without spending $50+ and you expect to beat the shit out of it.
That's it.
>>29883221
A lot can be said when a manufacturer has been making tools since 1697.
>>29882880
I came.
>>29882912
I had a gerber gator once, made in the USA, kept in my tackle box and cleaned many hundreds of trout, crappy, and bass with it. Perfect for having wet hands, as the handle was some slightly rubbery stuff.
>>29883253
Actually Hultafors is the parent company. The axes are actually made by Hults Bruk, and they also sell them under their own name, but sell the factory seconds to Husqvarna, and they sell a line of axes in the US now, but not the splitting maul for some reason. Which is all confusing as fuck and also the reason I had to order from Finland.
But yeah. The foundation for the old medieval forge is still there on the factory grounds, and they still make 'em the same way -- just substituting modern machinery for a small army of apprentices.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DXt-5Z9NxrU
That Gransfors stuff is beautifull. I don't need it, but I want it!
>>29883339
They're the Rolls Royce of axes. Each smith stamps his initials into the head. But for almost as much money as you pay for a cheap rifle, I want it to give me a blow job. Or at least a nice cuddle.
>>29882853
>>29882880
Got one of these off my father. Beautiful old thing.
>>29884097
>>29884112
>>29884095
shaving sharp too
>>29884125
>>29884133
>>29882853
Just go to estate sales or flea markets and find old axes or hatchets. I bought a Plumb boys ax for $6 that I'll match against any modern ax.
>>29884097
>Spyderhole
>On a tomahawk
I get that the Spyderhole is a big branding thing for them, and it serves a legit purpose on their folders, but why in the love of god does a tomahawk have one?
>>29884178
weight reduction
>>29884170
Getting one second hand is really good, if you're willing to put in the time to restore it. Only if you do find a good quality one
I'd recommend that if you want to spend less than $40 (including the wood for a new handle) on a good axe
Boker Plus Tomahook.
I love this thing.
Came shaving sharp from the factory, it pretty much does it all.
Works like a shovel too.
>>29883094
Literally the only good thing about my hometown is that it produces Estwing.
>>29884454
>axe
>shaving sharp
>knife edge
>made of 3/16ths sheet metal with no weight or edge geometry
>use it like a shovel
More money than sense/10 purchase. Looks like trash and would perform felling tasks like it looks.
>>29882945
hows the pardner ?,i have an optima hatsaan break action 12 gauge and it is not great.
>>29882853
>>29882992
>>29883249
>>29883094
these seem like good options but
why not get a $8 axe from HFT ?
they have some kind of warranty on hand tools so go out a wail on the thing , and if it dosn't break your gtg
>>29882976
Truth! Estwing ANYTHING will last forever.
>>29886527
Because it's shitty steel that will not hold an edge and make you work harder and ultimately have you throwing it away. That's why. You'd be better off buying any random old Murrican made hatchet at a yard sale. It might be chipped and fucked up and the head might have the corners dangerously rounded off, but at least the bastard will still hold an edge.
>>29884178
>but why in the love of god does a tomahawk have one?
Lanyard attachment point, so you can use it as a handle to haul stuff, etc.
https://youtu.be/awbEr_q9Bjs?t=3m27s
>>29886900
That looks like it would chop very poorly
I can't sharpen knives to save my life. Yet I can put a decent edge on my Eastman hatchet every time.
>>29887004
Jesus, why?
She already had the fire going. Why split the wood down more?
>>29887004
Thats not real you can see the axe is a prop
>>29883082
Hatchets do ok for kindling and light timber work, for any serious kind of tree molesting you're better off with a 3/4-axe and they're not much weightier than a hatchet in some cases
>>29887156
>She already
>Why split the wood down more?
>She
>>29887004
jesus
I mean you don't do that with a knife whenever you cut something, why would an axe be any different?
>>29887175
>Thats not real
every goddamn time
>>29882880
I was gunna get one for my upcoming innawoods excursion. Buddies and I intend on camping quite a bit so I figured I'd get the good shit
>3 month backorder
Guess I'll buy something cheap to tide me over
>>29887294
No. Not cheap. INEXPENSIVE. And not made in China.
Council Tool, at a civilized minimum. >>29883021
>>29887306
Meant that, but you're right. I should be more careful with word choice
>>29884170
Second, the saying," they dont make em like they used to" couldn't be truer for axes. Art of manliness has a good article on axes, check it out
>>29887254
>>29887004
>>29887156
>why
Because everyone on that show is retarded. My friend lives in that ecosystem (Washington/Vancouver area islands) and he's pissed off at how retarded the people are on the show despite how easy it is to live there with some basic knowledge.
>>29887294
>>29887306
Can confirm on Council Tool. I got tired of using my old Craftsman hatchet which had always been meh/10, and I fell down the rabbit hole of research on what would work best for hiking and camping. I came out the other side with the Council Tool Boy's Axe, based on reviews, and I'm quite happy with it. Perfect blend between portability and function. I think they're like $35 or some shit on Amazon.
>>29887004
you can tell how shes never split kindling that way before by the way the she doesnt keep the blade tight to the wood.
>>29887481
Flatlanders. They're all of a breed.
>>29887294
http://www.appoutdoors.com/gransfors_bruks_wildlife_hatchet_415_c_p67438.htm
>>29887547
Thanks anon
Would I be better off holding out for the small forest axe for practicing bush craft?
>>29887385
>live in florida
>don't even innawoods half as much as I'd like
>everyone thinks the everglades is so scary eeeek gators ;_;
>mfw give me a lifestraw, a knife, bugspray and good boots and I'd never need to leave a pine stand.
pretty sure there was a naked and afraid episode set somewhere in florida/louisiana. give me a knife and a water purifier and I'd be golden for that shit besides fucking mosquitos in the wet season. Daily reminder that you can eat the inner bark of pine trees. you can even fry it or turn it into flower. Some indian tribes literally ate nothing else during times of trouble. Doesn't even kill the tree if you aren't a tard about it.
>>29887623
I've only got the hatchet. to me that size was the best balance of bulk vs leverage.
up to you to decide what fits your needs best
>>29886900
Kek, op here. I said no mallninja pls
>>29882853
>>29887649
Wow man, great find. It looks like it'd be hideous.
>>29887642
Wish I could get some hands on. Oh well, gunna brood over it before pulling the trigger. All the info is appreciated
>>29887649
I'd bet my tuft of pubic hair and cum stained boxers on that thing breaking within an hour of usage.
>>29887649
needs this laser engraved
![CKCBR200C[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/Qoyf92W.jpg "CKCBR200C[1].jpg")
>>29887649
>>29882853
Just go buy a hatchet from a hardware store, nice hickory handle etc
>>29888038
oh yeah?
>>29882992
Fiskars is the choice if you actually wanna do something with your axe.
>>29883253
Fiskars started in 1649 too.
>>29888080
>>29888116
Gerber is fucking trash. Poor mans CRKT
>>29882945
DELETE THIS!
>>29888118
Obvious, the post.
>>29883163
>wetterlings CEO
>No qt to forge iron and steel and go innawoods with
>>29889259
She's a dyke and an entitled prick who was handed the company right before Americans started buying the product in droves, she fell ass backwards into it
>>29887004
>>29887481
You split wood like this:
https://youtu.be/X5W6r5U7yBE?t=140
For that very reason.
>>29888118
Gerber has some of the best finishes and THE best handles of any products I've ever dealt with. I prefer small Gerber knives to CRKT, they seem to just be overengineered with unnecessary stuff. For example the autolawks thing, how fucking annoying why would I want to use both hands to close my knife? I also have 2 knives from each brand that are almost copies (Gerber evo & CRKT m16) the evo is lighter despite the m16 having a plastic handle, and the m16 has sharp corners that actually cut me if I stick my hand in the pocket it's clipped to.
Definitely prefer Gerber to them, but Gerber is indeed the "tacticool" brand. Gear designed for tactical use probably isn't the best suited for hard woods use. Their knives are solid but something like a hatchet, maybe get something hardware store grade.
>>29883163
Wetterlings is just around the corner from where I live and I have never heard about it.
Got to go there and make a purchase.
>>29888111
Fiskars is almost exclusively made in china you dumb impressionable faggot
>>29890053
Are they...?
http://www.arboristsite.com/community/threads/fiskars-made-in-china.153191/
Not according to the guy in the thread above who contacted their customer service.
>>29889335
>she's a dyke
So you find it bad that she fucks women instead of kebab and black men like the vast majority of the swedish whores? It the lesser of two evils anon.
A 15 dollar piece of shit from the hardware store works fine. You don't want to spend too much on something you'll be using to smash wood and bones.
>>29887004
i maintain that in any survival situation, triply when working with blades, the environment isnt your enemy, you are. you are your biggest threat at any time, and having the hubris to think that isnt true will only net you what you deserve
>im a big man that doesnt need safety rules
>>29888118
crkt is the poor mans crkt
>>29883185
Fiskars axes are indestructible. All the axes in my family are and have been made by Fiskars and the Finnish Defence Forces also uses them, so at least the latter should be a good credential.
>>29892605
Yeah but I want to be able to replace the handle on my own instead of doing without while it's at the factory. It's a grew-up-in-a-national-forest self-reliance cultural weird thing. I don't doubt they're good tree murdering devices. But I want. To replace. My own. Handle.
>>29893862
You will never have to replace it but I kind of get your point.
>>29893862
the ability to replace the handle is a wranglestar meme. that meme was born from axe restorers, not the consumer market, and is irrelevant to the qualities of the axe. if you wish to say that wood is a more appropriate conducter of energy when chopping, thats fine. but to say that having a wooden handle is to have the ability to replace it is just something you watched online
i get that lucky items feel better, and i advocate revolvers for that reason. but dont try that 'its not a flaw, its a feature' bullshit you see said by consumers that only know about the product what they see their idols say
i would never use a fiskars, but at least i know why
>>29893947
No, it's based on re-hafting my old forestry axe and watching Dad do the same for his sledge once, and being reliant on wood heat as recently as last week. I don't want a whole battery of axes in case one needs to be sent back to the factory. I feel the visceral need to be able to do it myself, especially with so simple and so vital a tool.
I've decided I want something full tang but don't like the estwings. Are there any full tang axes similar to it? Is this Schrade any good?
>>29893997
If you're placing that much emphasis on it you should be willing to drop some dosh on the best, get gransfors bruk.
I hear that husqvarna is basically the same thing for half the price though. Can anyone confirm?
>>29893999
full tang hatchets/axes will give you a wretched case of tennis elbow if you try to cut down anything substantial. Wood and synthetic handles absorb shock much better.
>>29893999
Get an Estwing anyway. They have both composite and leather gripped versions, IIRC.
>>29894032
Huskies axes are made by Hults Bruk, and from what I hear they're wonderful things.
>>29893947
>i would never use a fiskars
Why?
>>29893999
i fucking love schrades schf knives, but after seeing their portable saw in action, i doubt their ability to change lanes. schrade definitely likes form over function, and they fucked up and made some highly functional knives. but that philosophy did not so easily apply to something scientific like a saw, and by extension, i would think they dont know how to make an axe either.
tldr, i wouldnt fuck with it
Marbles per our king
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iM_EoTTcdJE
>>29894049
Hmmm. Hows the finish on their black ones?
Or maybe I should stick with silver, I guess it could be used as a signal mirror or something...
>>29883094
...
This is my picture, neat. Were you in that /out/ thread where I posted my pupper innawoods? I think that's the only place I've ever posted this pic.
>>29894336
>Hows the finish on their black ones?
No idea. I just know they're good quality steel and last for fucking ever. AND manufactured in Los Estados Unidos.
>>29884608
>>29884608
>Felling
>Hatchet
>noreadz detected
>>29887140
>21st century
>Can't sharpen a knife
Why go on living?
>>29890053
My $25 Fiskars X7 is made in Finland
>>29895026
Out of steel smelted in china from recycled rebar and kitchen sinks.
>>29895315
While the steel is mostly recycled, it's produced by a company called Ovako at Imatra, so the quality is good. The polymer for the handles comes from Germany.
t. Finn
>>29895385
>>29887385
I don't think the actual challenge is hard it's the fucking non stop relentless rain.
>>29895471
Wrong country.
>>29889732
Thank you for this. I feel like I learned things.
>>29884632
It's fuckin awesome, honestly.
Got it new 5 years ago. Fit and finish is excellent, locks up good and has never misfired. Would highly recommend over other single shots.
I typically favor large chopping knives and machetes out in my AO, but have found like others that the Fiskars is best fucking axe. The new gerbers come with a less bulky blade guard for carriage too
>>29895646
I cannot tell if you're being sarcastic or serious.
Anyways, I don't really like Ray all that much, but he's a real knowledgeable guy; and there's a lot to be learned from him.
>>29896109
different anon here, I don't agree with many of his thoughts on machetes but believe his axework is spectacular. He's legit.
>>29896135
the defining moment for me whether ray mears was a product of movie magic or a real bushmen was when he dressed a salmon on camera. literally the most perfectly dressed salmon ive ever seen, including chefs, including sushi chefs
>>29896285
His new show sucks so bad I couldn't watch it.
>>29896109
not that poster but I did actually learn something, and he's very easy to listen to
>Axes without replaceable handles
Why.
>>29898193
Because they don't break? I don't think you can swing a full tang Steel ax hard enough to break it. The plastic ones where the top wraps around the blade (like the fiskars) are not replaceable unless you can widdle something up that works. They do that because it makes it a better hammer (the blade design with a hole in the middle can weaken if you use it as a hammer often enough)
>>29882853
>136 posts.
>62 anons and a couple of tripfags.
>8 hours.
No one poasts ant man's axe.
I swear, I'll never get what it is with Americans and axes.
I've been camping my whole life and I've never once thought "Man, y'know what I really need right now? A fucking hatchet".
>>29899452
>camping
well there you go. you wouldnt need tools during the outside VR called camping
>>29882945
I want to _ _ _ _ that rabbit.
>>29883094
I have one too I love the leather head cover mine came with
