Oh yeah, you are really anticipated for the F-35, and how it will jam radars? Right?
Sorry guys, but F-35 simply does not have the power on board required to jam even old P-18 without upgrades. Even its export versions have 6W per Mhz at 100km requirement otherwise it will "burn through". Thats 5-6 Kw jammer power required, even Growlers barely meet this. No aircraft can in fact effectively jam any modern ground based radar today, aspecialy if its Russian.
>b-but you just send Growlers and multiple F-35's!
Do you know what kind of power was needed to jam domestic versions of P-18 at the time? Over 100w*Mhz*100km. Do not even get me started on modern radars, basic radars used in S-300 system have it over 1200W! And those are working at 2000+ Mhz that is 2,4 MEGAWATT needed to jam just one of 24 S-300 channels!
Yeah, good luck to you jamming it with airborne equipment.
>>29870228
Next you're going to tell me 9x19mm isn't a functional anti-tank round.
>Russian """""""""""""""air defense"""""""""""""""
How many times does something need to be posted before you can report it for spam?
It's bait, but you you need that kind of power if you want to jam such radar so it can't detect you while you are literally ontop of it.
Jamming is used at the outer proximity of the radar(which is a simple task to jam) to make it harder to detect/fucking up with it by making ghost images
Not sure if F-35 is able to do this, but Growlers are specifically designed for this kind of EW, so I guess they excel at it
>>29870228
"Radar", what is this, 1940?
Look mom! He posted it again!
>>29870228
You are right, comrade.
Ameripigs cant even fathom the depth of the shit-lake that they sentence their pilots to swim in, when tasking them to take on Russian/Chinese IADS networks.
It isnt even funny anymore. It is like some insect trying to rush a burning magnesium torch.
>>29870228
>implying russian radars are any better than a nigger holding a microwave
>>29870228
MALD-Js shits all over chink and vatnik radars to the degree that the malnourished fucks operating them need to use the mk.I eyeball to distinguish the decoy from the planes liberating them from the horror that is being alive while being a chink/vatnik.
>>29870741
MALD-J is literally nothing new.
How do you think the Russians and Chinese simulated US plane's radar signature during AAW live fire tests? They use the same technology of flexible RCS enhancers on their target drones to simulate the signatures of F-15, F-16, F-22 and F-35s.
Pic: Chinese found out that the F-22 is pretty shit. Even their export-tier KLJ-7V radar for the JF-17 can detect it at 20km. And this radar is a really tiny diameter one with relatively low wattage (since it is powered by a single RD-93).
We don't have to, your crumbling economy will do the work for us, you zjulik vatnik.
>>29870802
>can detect it at 20km
that's actually too close to matter
>>29870802
*30km
KLJ-7V(2) can see the F-22 at 30km.
>>29870869
It only has a tiny radar.
J-10s carry 1.5 the size of that radar, and Chinese Flankers are carrying nearly three times the size.
And a S-300/S-400 battery radar carries at least 30 times the size.
>>29870228
Holy shit! It can shitpost on it's own!
>>29870902
So, supposing this is correct, and the F-22 can be detected by that radar at 20km. In what way is that a good thing for the Chinese ? Especially when you consider that the F-22 has a detection range of something like 200km. Also, detection range isn't a linear function, a radar 30 times bigger won't detect the F-22 30 times further away.
>>29870228
yet again Vatniks can't into physics
A Jammer doesn't have to overpower the radar to be effective, it just has to overpower the reflected signal of the plane it's protecting.
>>29870253
oh i'm so glad that someone else still remembers this brave but very naive young man.
i still think he should have received more accolades for his "mission", but all governments fear young men such as him.
>>29872526
American super science, the Inverse-square law.
>>29870869
Or the F-22 can launch an AIM-120 at at 90km and turn around and leave.
>>29873483
this
the f35/22 can see the chinese way before they can.
>>29873483
>launching on a maneuvering target outside of Rtr
No. Raptor would still need to close in to about 30-ish km or closer depending on aspect angle to get a good shot off on a fighter, which is just about the threshold for that Chinese radar (assuming the Chinese have an accurate RCS analysis). Raptor is still going to win that fight, but it's going to need to maneuver around to it's blind spots for a good Pk.
Well, if we just tied a bunch of feminists aboard it, their gravitational field would jam the radars. All the radars could detect is a moderate to large sized neutron star approaching.
If that fails, though, we could always move the feminists around to adjust the gravity and warp the fuck outta there.
>>29874305
>Raptor would still need to close in to about 30-ish km or closer
...just no
>>29874447
yes you stupid nigglets with no idea how air to air missiles actually work. The wikipedia numbers on missile max ranges are taken from lockmart and gaytheon marketing material, when an amraam is listed with a 100km range, that is the absolute greatest range they were able to eke out of the missile, like how your prius has a ten thousand mile range, thats when its going 2mph on a test track with a team of kenyans running in front of it giving it smooth air. 30km is an optimum 'there's no way you're going to get out of this, asshole' range. In a war today, if raptor pilots tried to shoot from any further out they'd run out of missiles before the chinese ran out of jets.
>>29874447
Raptor is still using AMRAAM, and an effective range for that weapon is still around 30 km, unless you're magically teleporting the missile from the bays into that No Escape Zone for the missile I don't see how Raptor doesn't need to close in for the shot. Again, Raptor still has the advantage of being able to vector away from the opposing radar and plant itself in its blind spots.
Or do you believe that missiles maintain their probability of kill even as range increases?
>>29870228
But one might argue that forcing your potential opponent to use stationary (even if it's relative), high power (highly visible) radars is a success in itself. There are a lot of good anti radiation missiles around and the range you can see these radars is longer than the range they can see you.
>>29870228
>aspecialy
You're retarded.
>>29870249
chek'd and kek'd
>>29870586
You do realize that radar is still used extensively today, right? If it was the 1940s we'd be calling it RADAR, not radar.
>>29874428
Even if we assume a feminist weighs two tons, and you can fit 200 on the F-35 (both of which are gross exaggerations), that's only 400 tons. Nowhere near the mass of a moon, and definitely not enough to form a neutron star.
>>29870228
>F35
>no power
engine generates 29k horsepower to drive the lift fan in the B model
no spare power for jammers, ok
>>29875490
This is the greatest post I have ever read on /k/ Pat yourself on the back, son.
pic unrelated
>>29872636
You joshing right. He was the catalyst for the fall of the soviet union. Because of him, many of the old guard generals had to resign, allowing Glasnost to happen and eventually the dissolution of the Berlin Wall.
>>29875603
There are Growlers for that.
>>29875603
>>29875655
Not to mention the pods are powered by their own ram air turbines.
>>29875655
Nah, Growlers don't come anywhere near SAM's operational range. Much less in the contested airspace.
Ruskie radars a shit
>>29870741
If F-35 loads up with MALD it will loose its stealth or space that could be used to carry bombs etc. So its a win win situation for Pantsyr-S1. Still, because Pantsyr-S1 can work in a passive mode but still receive information about the situation in the air space, F-35 pilot will have no idea when to fire MALD but by the time he realizes that his plane is being tracked it may already be to late for him and eject can be the only safe option as F-35 is not the most fastest or most maneuverable plane out there.
>>29874522
>when an amraam is listed with a 100km range, that is the absolute greatest range they were able to eke out of the missile
Absolute greatest range before it reaches its minimum effective airspeed (around 1.5x the target's airspeed).
>>29875968
An F-35 could carry a MALD internally; they're smaller than a GBU-31.
>>29876164
Ok, and where would it store the actual ARMs? You don't send $200 million airplane into the teeth of modern SAMs just to launch a few decoys.
>>29876736
Sure you do, why not? The US will have thousands of them.
Furthermore, malds have a 900km+ range WITH loiter. A fucking b-52 could launch about 30 of them from stand off range and laugh its way on home.
>>29874529
>Raptor is still using AMRAAM, and an effective range for that weapon is still around 30 km.
When the max range is 105 km? Laughable. You dont fire on a manuvering target at max range but 1/3 the range is silly.
Fucking sidewinders have a range greater than 30km, and they are powered their whole flight
>>29876753
Well I dunno. Maybe because F-35 will be stealthy from front only and can't keep its nose pointed at all the enemy radars at once? Maybe because sending F-35 into saturated AD network is a suicide mission to begin with and you don't sacrifice it to launch a fucking bait? Maybe because even a single Pantsyr can simultaneously engage everything within F-35 internal payload capacity and more?
>Furthermore, malds have a 900km+ range WITH loiter. A fucking b-52 could launch about 30 of them
What worth will it be against S-400 at this range? The system has a powerful transmitter and superb angular resolution, it will reveal subsonic target for what it really is long before taking a shot. Pretty much the only way to fool S-400 with MALD is catching it off guard.
>>29870902
You don't engage IADS the same way you engage enemy fighters.
Any radar can detect a stealth airframe if its close enough. But those extra tens to hundreds of km that you can stay hidden is a fuckhuge advantage
>>29876986
>What worth will it be against S-400 at this range?
Being that the 40N6, the longest range, missle has 400km max range, great.
>The system has a powerful transmitter and superb angular resolution, it will reveal subsonic target for what it really is long before taking a shot.
Thats great, for finding steath aircraft. Its poor for a mald, who wants to be found, early and clear.
The MALD will be showing the 92N6E what it wants it to see.
>>29876986
>Well I dunno. Maybe because F-35 will be stealthy from front only
Keep at it Kopp
>sending F-35 into saturated AD network is a suicide mission to begin with and you don't sacrifice it to launch a fucking bait
Why are you launching MALDs from inside the defences?
>Pantsyr can simultaneously engage everything within F-35 internal payload capacity and more
Only if you assume it has a 1.0pK, which nothing has. Also, two F-35s carrying SDBs internally will easily overwhelm it
>it will reveal subsonic target for what it really is long before taking a shot
Not from beyond a short range; the inverse square law is in favour of the MALD in this case.
>>29877072
>The MALD will be showing the 92N6E what it wants it to see.
Yep, just like Raytheon telling Pentagon what it wants to hear. Assuming the program will even become combat operational before enemy already has batteries of S-500 with even longer range and imroved UHF/VHF.
Hundreds upon hundreds of MALDs mixed with actual JASSMs, popping out of nowhere in the electromagnetic spectrum and approaching at similar altitude and velocity, that's the only conceivable chance to overwhelm IADS. Until USAF can arrange that, the thing is just a gimmick.
>>29870741
> malnourished fucks operating them need to use the mk.I eyeball to distinguish the decoy from the planes liberating them from the horror that is being alive while being a chink/vatnik.
kekd irl
>>29877131
>Assuming the program will even become combat operational before enemy already has batteries of S-500
>Hundreds upon hundreds of MALDs
>In May 2014, Raytheon delivered the 1,000th MALD-J to the Air Force as part of the Lot 5 production contract. The MALD program has achieved a perfect 33-for-33 flight test success record over the past two years.
Ruh roh. Your move.
>>29870802
At the same time the F-22 can spot the chink fighter beyond 100km
F-22 wins again.
>>29875968
When will this meme about "losing stealth F-35 is useless" end?
The thing is, you can launch one F-35 loaded with MALD-Js and then the rest of the flight is armed with weapons in stealth configuration.
when approaching the AO, the MALD-J carrier launches the decoys and toodles the fuck back home while the armed F-35s fly in protected by their stealth and decoy jammers.
In no situation will a F-35 fly alone and act as SEAD, DEAD, CAS and CAP all at once while trying to remain stealthy, which you vatniks seem to imply.
>>29877131
>S-500 is decoy proof
nice meme
>>29870253
Vatniks forever BTFO
>>29875617
Clearly not the same cat.
