Arrow 16 in Finland
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Finnish army is conducting an exercise for mechanized battlegroup.
>> The exercise will involve approximately 2,300 persons, including conscripts, reservists and regular personnel from the Armoured Brigade, Karelia Brigade and Pori Brigade. A US Army Europe detachment from US Army Europe's 2nd Cavalry Regiment's Mechanized Infantry Company will take part in the exercise as part of the two armies' bilateral cooperation.
The Finnish Army has posted a huge album on their Facebook account (maavoimat @Facebook)
I'm going to post just a couple of pictures in here
The T-55 is used by the engineers for mine clearing, only Leopard 2 is used as a combat tank
Does the US Army usually use camo nets on Strykers in Europe?
Finnish forests have often quite dry and sandy soil, but Niinisalo is exceptionally sandy
Pasi is quite kawaii
Just trees here
More trees, nothing to see here
Some trees stalking you
And I'm done for now. In addition to posting pictures on Facebook, the Army is twiiting about the exercise with hashtag #Arrow16. There's a nice video of a rumbling Leopard 2A4 by 2nd Cavalry Regiment
>>29866339
>tfw we live in an age where an army has a facebook account
>>29866410
Minds and hearts, minds and hearts. Project a positive image of army to your own citizens and young men who are going to be conscripted.
>>29866381
>>29866376
>>29866373
MacBeth is fucked.
TRG-42
Commanders and their hats
>>29866496
CHARLIE DON'T SURF!
>>29866327
>Finnish army exercise
>2,300 people
And how much booze?
>>29866512
When I was a conscript, I don't recall ever seeing a conscript drunk in an exercise. The officers on the other hand did sometimes have a couple of drinks in the evening
>>29866512
All the hand sanitizer you can drink (so not too much I imagine).
>>29866512
we conscipts only drink during the weekend. unless we want to get jailed, and getting jailed in the army sucks you still have to serve but you sleep in jail
>>29866330
onks Zil:listä mihinkään?
>>29866690
Well, I got arrested for being AWOL, since during an evening leave I passed out on a toilet in a bar.
I served my sentence in a neighbouring company during the weekend, when my own company had a weekend leave. It was not that big of a deal, since I didn't have to participate in any activities of that company - just read in my bunk and sign a book every hour confirming my presence.
Wouldn't still recommend, 2/5
>>29866747
It's got a motor and four wheels, so why not.
>>29866747
wow haha, the nazis really did a number on you guys :P
>>29866496
AMERICA WHY?!
>>29866815
Because cavarly. Apparantely some of them use stirrups.
>> The officer candidate from the Armored Brigade presenting the equipment used by Finnish combat engineers.
Mines, yay!
>>29866866
mtlb?
HIGH TEST treads.
>>29866883
Is that a mongol?
>>29866883
I find it fucking hilarious that this guy's wearing that fucking civil war hat (Ausfag here, sorry for the ignorance if i'm wrong).
But it's cool he's proud of his heritage.
>>29866883
The murrican looks like one of my platoon sergeants. But he's a butter bar. Was in 2 SCR too.
>>29866812
What are you talking about?
>>29866885
>what is this American devilry
>there's no bowstring
>I wish I was back on my horse
Poor Americans don't even know how fight a conventional war against a real enemy anymore, all those years pretending to be a police patrol on the sandbox have ruined your military.
>>29866356
That looks like a recon Stryker.
>>29866356
Maybe Finns gave them to the underprepared Americans. You see, US has no air domination over Finland so you actually have to hide your vehicles.
>>29866949
wat...
YLE published today a great article about the military situation in the Baltic region. Google Translate seems to work quite well with it.
On map and on paper the picture seems quite bleak, since there's a huge number of Russian units based in the area. But in reality most of them are understaffed.
>> Estonian military intelligence estimated that Russian brigades can mobilize a battlegroup consisting of a single battalion, or about 800 men
Still, the number of planes, helicopters and ships seems quite overwhelming. That's why Finnish military trains extensively in hiding their assets from air observation.
http.://yle.fi/uutiset/suomen_lahella_on_kolme_raskaasti_aseistettua_aluetta__nain_venaja_kasvattaa_iskuvoimaansa_rajoillaan/8855345
>>29866512
None. We Finns are quite strict in military and boose.
>>29866866
LoL nyt vittu! What macine is that?
Imagine being the poor fucker getting a T-55 instead of a Leopard 2
>>29866874
>>29867165
There is a goddamn turret visible for you to recognize.
>>29867167
It's only for attaching a mine clearing device, it is transported separately.
>>29867183
Is the T-55 supposed to be used in a real combat situation, or just in training? What's the purpose of having two different mine clearing tanks?
>>29867216
T-55 mine clearing and bridge vehicles support the motorized battle groups which operate the MT-Lbs. Leopard bridge and mine clearing MBTs support Karjala Brigade (Leo2) and the Mechanized battle groups (Leo2).
>>29867228
Ah, now that makes sense.
I'm guessing that this US soldier is happy to receive instructions on using a rifle from a conscript NCO who has served in the military for about 10 months.
>>29866963
Don't think the FDF has camo nets like those. Atleast I don't recall ever seeing ones like those.
>>29867240
Why not? If he's never handled an AK, the guy knows better than him and has almost certainly taught conscripts on the gun.
>>29867252
Yeah well, that is true. I myself would've been quite embarrassed back in 2008 in the same situation as a Finnish NCO. Maybe, possibly, perhaps.
Oh man, they held a parade with the cavalry association. The Finnish army no longer maintains a cavalry squadron, but an association formed by reservists and enthusiasts provides horses and men to parades.
>>29867841
Does American cavalry have horses in the US or did they just pick some Texan cowboy to ride.
>>29867243
They do have those. They also have some m/05 ones. I've seen them use those only for promo shit, but we only had the oldest ones they could find.
>>29867918
Now that I think of it, I think I recall having a few of those in AUK where we were stuck with even worse shit.
I have to admit that some of those muricans are pretty good shape but some of those seem to enjoy burgers and extrasugar sodas.
>>29867887
The 2nd Cavalry did in fact fight on horseback in the Mexican-American war, American civil war, various Indian wars etc.
>>29867240
the thing is, if you hold an AK-like rifle a bit wrong, the charging handle will maul your fingers when you fire.
Also I'd assume a guy who's used to NATO toys, and their half a dozen small switches and buttons, might be a bit surprised by the simplicity of the AK-likes.
>>29866963
>>29867981
we had such camo-nets already back in my days, 1/08.
>>29866812
They've been using it longer than the nazis
>>29866356
yes. it's quit common for forward observer strykers to have camo scrim
>>29868055
>we had such camo-nets already back in my days, 1/08.
We had better ones once we got out of AUK. I/15 Mostly double sided ones with forest on one side and snow on the other, heavy as sin and worse when they freeze.
I bet the Amerifats are glad they're not packing the old UCP anymore
>>29869999
Nice quads
>>29866496
Check dem boots. Way higher than the standard tanker boot.
>>29866496
>>29870039
The American dude is such a fuccboi.
>>29869999
that guy's flat gray messenger bag has the same camouflage potential as UCP
>>29866512
None. We are not russians.
We're saving the booze for actual wartime.
How many combat cocks will be produced during this event?
How many will Finland have to bring with them should the allotted time for the exercise not suffice to produce enough on site?
t. concerned Swede
>>29870321
enough to cuck the entire western neighbor.
Interestingly enough, the Swedish exercise aurora 17 will supposedly involve 16 000 soldiers. Seems like there is some sort of uparmament in the area?
>>29871140
Something like that is happening indeed. This exercise with US troops in Finland is unprecedented and caused quite an uproar in Finnish political circles. Also, US National Guard flies above Finland with F-15's in the coming days.
But still, 2 300 personnel in a Finnish exercise is not that big of a deal. This sort of an maneuver is done twice a year, to give conscripts at the end of their training a final exercise, or as it is called in here, "the finishing war". A combined arms operation, in which the training unit is pushed to its maximum.
The Finnish Army also has a YouTube account!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OqYg5CFciEU
If you can decipher moonlanguage or use your imagination, this video about coastal recon unit is quite interesting.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3NpGPtvzrPE
>>29873401
What's interesting about it?
>>29873610
Seeing how recon units are deployed to small islands, how they spot ships, how their information is used in HQ to issue fire commands and how targets are supposed to be destroyed. Archipelago environment is quite unusual, I would say.
>>29866327
jeebus christ, those are vulnerable as fuck that way
And while we are at it, NLAW and Spike action! And downing of a horrible CGI AH-64 while we are at it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k9le65YPuv0
>>29873686
Could be. Not many countries need to defend an archipelago.
>>29873711
That's only the transportation to the exercise area.
>>29873711
That is a strategic movement over few hundred kilometers, so I would guess that it is covered by air defense assets. Tactical marches are a totally different thing.
>>29873161
>This exercise with US troops in Finland is unprecedented
Puhdasta paskapuhetta!
>tl.note: bullshit!
>and caused quite an uproar in Finnish political circles
that's because morons don't know jack shit about anything anymore, and only want to create drama.
Yanks have come to Finland for who knows how many fucking times after the end of the Cold War, and only NOW, with Putin-chan starting shit in the eastern Europe and literally trolling the net, have people started loudly gasping and shitposting about the matter.
Especially co-op winter warfare training exercises are very common, since we tend to have chilly winters. I still recall how people laughed at the stupid amerifats last decade; they arrived to the country with what would almost equal our summer-gear, and our guy had to go and rescue the silly yanks from freezing their toes off.
Later we gave 'em some cozy wool underwear and socks.
Hell, we've even had small visits from our eastern neighbors in the recent years, doing small "friendly exercises" !
>>29874053
Yeah, training a squad or a platoon is common in here, but a whole company? With vehicles? And at the same time a squadron of F-15's? Now that is something different
>>29866327
How many rare memes will be involved? This is important.
>>29867887
I don't know if the US cavalry itself still has horses, but I'm pretty sure ceremonial and parade units would have some for use.
>>29875966
A few
>>29874373
It's important to show that the host country agreement is not just a piece of paper; indeed, I'd be surprised if there wasn't some sort of condition in the agreement to include NATO troops in exercises.
>>29866327
>tfw didn't get invited as a part of the reserve unit but my friend did
Life as a civilian is suffering
>>29876554
Welcome Suomi
W E L C O M E
no ghost bmp's in this exercise?
>>29878631
No Rk-62M:s either it seems :|
>>29866330
>T-55 and MT-LBs
Is this the Soviet army from 1970:?
>>29867099
Not surprising considering the Russians have not given the slightest indication of expanding West in Europe.
Only idiots and women who listen to mainstream news actually believe Ivan is some sort of threat.
The Russians are focused on security in their southern sectors, were the US funds Islamist terrorist movements.
>>29869999
MultiScam is hardly better in temperate regions.
Again, the entire US military has been repurposed to policing sand niggers in the deserts.
>>29878786
If the Russians aren't concerned about military dominance in the baltics, then why the fuck do they threaten both Sweden and Finland as soon as they even look towards NATO?
And what is this rumbling about how the split of the soviet union was illegal and by extention that the liberty of the Baltic states was illegal?
>>29878751
FDF's arsenal has always been a weird mix of east and west.
The troops' personal gear is pretty frigging NATO, but the assault-rifle's technically a 7.62x39 "AK". The LMG of choice is PKM, but we got MG3s and Miniguns on our vehicles, and so on.
Those T-55s are mine-clearing vehicles nowadays, not MBTs. Even I was surprised how many MT-LBs we got; I'd only seen local PASIs and few BMP-2s being driven around in recent years.
I'm still a bit dumbstruck that we literally melted some 150+ T-72s few years ago, all in order to completely switch to Leopard 2 platform.
>>29878786
>Only idiots and women who listen to mainstream news actually believe Ivan is some sort of threat.
Only Putin's troll army slaves would NOT believe that Ruskies are anything else BUT a fucking scary threat. Shit's at its hottest since mid 80s.
>>29879178
This exactly!
Hell, some of the more extreme people in Russia are even scratching open some older wounds, stating that Finland is still legitimately part of the great Russian empire, and thus not an independent state.
>>29879198
T-55s that aren't modified to engineering vehicles are more or less OPFOR vehicles that play T-90s with simulators. Old T-55s in engineering roles are going to be replaced with Leopard 2A4s in coming decade.
MT-LBs are used by the wartime Mechanized Battlegroups as battle-taxis and they are good enough to get guys from A to B without exposing them to shrapnel or them having to walk.
Those T-72s were east german monkey models. Having them in storage and in maintenance would have been too expensive. It was sad thing for them to go, but their value in modern combat was questionable. In pure tank battle they would have gotten destroyed.
>>29879210
>Only Putin's troll army slaves would NOT believe that Ruskies are anything else BUT a fucking scary threat. Shit's at its hottest since mid 80s.
Zero-information woman detected. How's that menstrual cycle
>>29878786
>Not surprising considering the Russians have not given the slightest indication of expanding West in Europe.
t. Crimea
>>29879178
>If the Russians aren't concerned about military dominance in the baltics, then why the fuck do they threaten both Sweden and Finland as soon as they even look towards NATO?
Umm, isn't it obvious?
They don't want US forces stationed in those countries, like they are in Poland and Romania and were aiming to be in Ukraine before Putin cut them off.
Don't forget Russia is the underdog here.
>>29879354
>Don't forget Russia is the underdog here.
>has 3x the military forces on the border that NATO does
This is standard Russian propaganda, paint any reaction to recent Russian behavior as western aggression.
>>29879347
Crimea was Russian and by some bureaucratic accident was assigned to the Ukrainian SSR. The US coup d'etat gave Putin a great excuse to swoop in and claim it back.
Just like the US fuck-ups in Iraq and Syria allowed ISIS to seize massive territory.
Don't forget that Obama's foreign policy is crafted by a guy who has a degree in creative writing, and the State Department is run by English majors and other assorted fuck-ups with low IQs and zero experience.
You shouldn't be backing those types of people unequivocally.
>>29879354
>like they are in Poland and Romania and were aiming to be in Ukraine before Putin cut them off
>and were aiming to be in Ukraine
>economic ties with the EU equals US military stationed in Ukraine
>>29879369
>US defense budget - 560 BILLION USD
>Russian defense budget - 52 Billion USD
>Russia is a threat g-guys..
Haha, what a faggot shill.
>>29879381
>Doesn't know that the IMF and EU are just the economic warfare branches of the US military machine
Little babby doesn't know how the world operates.
Now that the thread has been derailed, would one of you Putin's trolls like to explain the reason behind occupation of Finno-Ugric territories to this day and specifically those belonging to the Republic of Finland?
>>29879374
>Crimea was Russian and by some bureaucratic accident was assigned to the Ukrainian SSR.
At what point does that change the fact that taking it by force, yes an election at gunpoint is force, Russia expanded west.
>The US coup d'etat
If you repeat a lie often enough you can pretend it is the truth.
>gave Putin a great excuse to swoop in and claim it back.
It gave Putin the opportunity to invade Ukraine while Ukraine's government was in disarray.
>Just like the US fuck-ups in Iraq and Syria allowed ISIS to seize massive territory.
You want to know what else let ISIS seize territory in Syria? Russia bombing ISIS's enemies.
>>29879418
Why did Hitler invade Poland or why do people picnic in certain spots?
You're comparing Stalinist USSR to Putin's Russia, which means you're just a some bargain bin idiot.
AMOS units have taken part in the exercise!
>>29879385
>actively threatening your neighbors does not mean anything because someone else spends more on their military than you
>>29879436
Doesn't change the fact that those territories are still occupied. And we're not the only ones, who Russia has stolen from. So why not give back the stolen lands, if they are so noble and righteous?
>>29878786
>>29879436
>You're comparing Stalinist USSR to Putin's Russia, which means you're just a some bargain bin idiot.
So you acknowledge Putin's Russia has no claim to Crimea.
>>29879261
All true. FDF in general has that quite healthy "if it ain't broken, don't fix it" mentality, and those old Cold War era "light armors" definitely are better than nothing for conscripts to move around within. Our company only ever used TEKAs, which as you probably know either have zero armoring, or rumored kevlar padding indoors.
I was aware the T72 were some cheap steel only variants, but even those would've been a nice support for some rear-line troops. Doubt anyone would even want to have 1 on 1 tank battles this day and age anyway.
Having just couple dozen stored up somewhere, with another turned into spare parts for them, would have been a wiser idea IMO.
>>29879335
Impressive, the troll-net's learning to be more bitchy!
>>29879418
1 finn in a hundred doesnt make it finnish territories Pekka.
with a dash of ethnic cleansing you loose those claims
>>29879472
>>29879449
>>29879441
For some reason I thought only the CV90 version had twin barrels.
>>29879474
So after all, it's not about doing what's right but about imperialism and power?
>>29879423
>At what point does that change the fact that taking it by force, yes an election at gunpoint is force, Russia expanded west.
Eastern Ukraine wants to be unified with Russia and Crimea was overwhelmingly pro-Russian. It was a an organic unification. The Kiev Junta pro-American government tried to seize those areas into a failing entity known as post-1991 Ukraine.
Fun fact, the post-1991 Ukraine is a fictional entity whose borders aren't even recognized or enforced by most its neighbors.
In fact Ukraine isn't a nation. It's just a bunch of wild Russian peasants that escaped into the woods one day to escape feudalism if you study a bit of their history.
>If you repeat a lie often enough you can pretend it is the truth.
Sorry, it was a coup d'etat, inspired by the US Dept. of State. It meets the very definition. America plays dirty, we know this very well.
>It gave Putin the opportunity to invade Ukraine while Ukraine's government was in disarray.
Well there was no government, remember? The pro-Kremlin guy was forced to flee and the US had a Junta on standby, ready to be installed. This junta wasn't accepted by half of the country, especially in the East, and therefore you had an armed insurrection against an un-elected ruling junta.
>You want to know what else let ISIS seize territory in Syria? Russia bombing ISIS's enemies.
Yeah... because Russia was bombing Syria in 2014..
You're stupid, or dishonest, or both. Don't fuck with me.
>>29879474
That moral righteousness sure turned around fast.
>>29879509
The only junta in Ukraine, by definition of the word, is the occupation of eastern Ukraine by 'separatists'.
>>29879504
You were probably thinking about NEMO system, which uses single barrel. AMOS has always had two barrels.
>>29879466
>So you acknowledge Putin's Russia has no claim to Crimea.
I think events of 2014 pretty much prove that Putin has a claim to Crimea - in fact he seems to own it right now and there's nobody contesting it.
So.. you lost. Make a deal with it.
>>29879354
>well, my ex was flirting with the US, so I just HAD to rape her. You surely understand right? Besides if she didn't want to be raped she shouldn't have been wearing such a revealing Crimea in the first place. Also if those sluts Finland and Sweden turn me down in favor of that Chad USA, I MUST rape them too. They are just asking for it being so flirty with the US, those dirty sluts.
That is what russia sounds like. Can you imagine why everyone is so quick to join NATO?
It's because the other option is to live under the boot of the russian vermin.
Had russia been more easygoing and welcoming towards their neighbors, neither Finland nor Sweden would have bothered with NATO.
>>29879509
>You're stupid, or dishonest, or both. Don't fuck with me.
Given that you are speaking of yourself, I will not stop you.
>>29879506
>Doing what's right
>International politics
Lel, we have a special case of stupid in our midst here.
>>29879469
Saving them would have been nice, but what is done is done. Same thing with anti personnel land mines.
>>29879385
>the US military having a high budget clearly means the filthy pindos plan on invading poor widdle Russia!
>>29879525
>>29879538
And Russians and their admirers still wonder, why everyone hates them and wants to join NATO...
>>29879526
>>29879474
stage 5 already, that was fast
>>29879543
>Same thing with anti personnel land mines.
this was easily the #1 stupidest thing ever they've done. And fortunately, also one of the easiest ones to fix, if so desired.
>>29879518
You're right, the Western-backed Oligarchs that were hand-picked to govern over Kiev by Victoria Nuland and her cronies from the American State Department were not strictly from the military, but they were given the reigns of the stripped down, incompetent Ukrainian military, and of course we know that turned out to be a disaster.
The Eastern separatists are a true grass-roots insurrection against a criminally negligent foreign government, they have moral superiority and should have the blessing of any righteous person - but the Ameritards of /k/ can't get past their irrational Russia hate to come to this conclusion.
So they are on the wrong side of history, again.
Remember when the clueless cock-suckers on here were cheering on Obama's moderate terrorists when they were driving into universities and government offices in Syria?
>>29879577
Well now there is claymores instead of landmines nearly everywhere. And what I have seen is that they are pretty effective weapon to use in defense.
>>29879554
How very cute, you have scripted cartoons in case you run out of arguments...
Well, I've demonstrated that Russia has both a legal and a moral right to claim Crimea, and all of Ukraine in fact.
But I have to commend Russia for being so restrained. If I were in charge, as soon as the pro-Moscow guy fell, I'd have Spetsnaz parachuting around Kiev, securing roads and a convoy of a Guards Tank Division heading down as a peacekeeping force to rule all of Ukraine and ensure a pro-US puppet is not "elected" by the CIA.
Russia was weak in the 90s and their influence slipped.
And I'm not even Russian. :3
>>29879604
What about other territories?
>>29879583
>The Eastern separatists are a true grass-roots insurrection
You probably think Ukraine shot down MH17 even though we know which Buk from which Russian unit did the deed.
>>29866327
>Train loaded with military hardware
MY. FUCKING. DICK.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ghi8iN2zgvU
>>29879604
>Well, I've demonstrated that Russia has both a legal and a moral right to claim Crimea, and all of Ukraine in fact.
No, you haven't. If anything you have demonstrated the opposite.
>>29879620
You mean the West?
Virtually meaningless. There's nothing there but farms and poor people and Pollaks.
The East is the industrial core of the Ukrainian SSR, which BTW, has been stripped down and completely auctioned off by the corrupt Oligarchs which now rule Kiev on behalf of the US...
>>29879644
No, the other territories Russia has stolen from other countries.
>>29879529
Nice strawman, but can you imagine the burger butthurt if the roles were reversed?
Imagine having russian military forces stationed in Canada and Mexico, right at the border.
>>29879637
>No, you haven't. If anything you have demonstrated the opposite.
Are you fucking delusional, or are you some kind of stunted autist?
Crimea is part of the Russian Federation as of RIGHT NOW, they are Russsian citizens, using Russian currency, protected by Russian forces etc. etc.
What part of this ownership don't you understand?
If you're a shill, it's about time you pull out the Pussy Riot shill card or the "Putin hates faggots" propaganda, as if anyone cares about faggots but menstruating women.
>>29879583
>The Eastern separatists are a true grass-roots insurrection against a criminally negligent foreign government, they have moral superiority and should have the blessing of any righteous person
>this is what vatniks truly belive
The Crimea occupation was and is illegal, the "poll" the russians held there has been declared fraudulent by every single human rights organisation in the world not controlled by Putin and that Ukraine has joined ranks as one man against russian imperialism shows what they think about you.
The only grassroots movement was on Euromaidan and people there risked their life despite the fire of russian hired assassins.
Your "rebellion" in the east goes so poorly that you have to ship in russian army regulars and you STILL are beaten to a standstill.
That you murdered 300 innocents with a Buk for reasons unknown only shows how vile the fascist dictatorship in Moscow is.
>>29879657
You mean Stalinist conquests?
I have no excuse for those. I'm not a fan of Bolshevism. But returning Karelia to Finland is not tenable, the populations were displaced in the 40s and never came back.
The invasion of Finland was unjust, certainly, but those were very different times. You had Hitler in the West, Stalin in the East, if you were caught in the middle, you got fucked.
I'm sorry to say, but Karelia is no longer Finnish, though a lot of the "Russians" in those areas were always Finno-Ugric people, so I don't think their state affiliation matters.
>>29879659
see >>29879369
The US stationing troops in Poland is a reaction to Russia dicking with Ukraine.
>>29870321
Fucking veins and shieeet :DD
>>29879674
You're in denial.
Everyone knew that Russia had a claim to Crimea.
Want proof?
There's currently no war being waged to liberate it, because the Ukrainians have no will or desire to do so, because the native population of Crimea is largely Russian or pro-Russian.
I'm sorry, it's a done deal, you're just wasting your time.
>>29879603
>Well now there is claymores instead of landmines nearly everywhere.
yeah... except even those have been turned into constantly observed, manually triggered explosive systems.
at least we still got those cannon-fired "spread mines", but I'd still support getting off that silly Ottawa deal.
>>29879664
Your reasoning that Russia had a legal and moral right to take Crimea from Ukraine, is that Russia has Crimea now.
What circular logic.
>>29879693
Yeah. It's not like people can move nowadays...
How about the war reparations we were forced to pay Russia? Money still exists but we haven't heard of those either.
>>29879659
Had Canada invited you there would have been fuck all the US could do.
After the Cuban missile crisis the US promised to accept the commies if the Soviets withdrew their nukes. The US has kept to that promise ever since.
Russia promised to not invade Ukraine if they gave up their nukes.
Russia lied, Ukrainians died.
As usual the russians are scum and vermin which plays into the first part no one want russians anywhere NEAR them because you lie and cheat as a rule. Everyone wants US in because they stick to their deals and protect from russian parasites.
>>29879369
Russians scared shitless, lol.
>>29879707
>There's currently no war being waged to liberate it, because the Ukrainians have no will or desire to do so
>There's currently no war being waged to liberate it, because Ukraine is still tied up fighting Russian soldiers (I mean separatists) in Eastern Ukraine
>>29879695
The US had forces in Poland soon after their integration within NATO.
NATO **IS** the United States Armed Forces.
It's pretty understandable that Russia doesn't want to be surrounded by US military bases.
When the Russians got close to American borders, look what happened in the 1960s: they fucking threw a conniption fit; blockaded Cuba, threatened Nuclear warfare and sent spy planes to violate Cuban airspace.
A shit fit that ended just a few days ago.
You have to admire Russia for how restrained they are in the face of continued provocations.
And you can bin the petty ad hominems. I'm not Russian. Just an observer.
>>29879707
>Ukraine isn't fighting a suicidal war against a nuclear armed regional power with a far larger military over territory they stole, clearly that means it rightfully belongs to them
>Might makes right, of course.
>>29879710
In sweden we're taught
"And you should totally not use the passive trigger for the anti personell mines, because that would be forbidden, So here's how you do it, so you know how to not do it if for some reason the command structure got bombed to hell and you have to secure an area without Stockholm politician and journalist supervision."
>>29879741
>He thinks there's Russian forces in Ukraine
Oh, you're one of those cretins.
That shit belongs on /x/, over there --->
>>29879754
>Hobo POC
Cyrillic is great.
>>29879707
>Everyone
Except the entire western world and most of the rest.
> Ukrainians have no will or desire to do so
No ability you mean. They are fighting off a russian invasion.
>>29879754
>ou have to admire Russia for how restrained they are in the face of continued provocations.
thats just called being a bitch
>>29879548
Clearly means that the US is the greater threat, especially with its network of NATO vassals surrounding Russia.
>>29879754
That a BDRM or whatever those little armoured cars are called?
>>29879754
>It's pretty understandable that Russia doesn't want to be surrounded by US military bases.
How does one attack Russia?
>>29879767
>They are fighting off a russian invasion.
>>>/x/
>>29879761
yeah, pretty much the same thing here, but some officers are even more blunt about it and literally say "yeah it's not allowed, but you will do it anyway!".
Someone post that spurdo comic.
It's just schizophrenic how people on the other hand know exactly whats going on and how all these agreements won't make any difference if SHTF, but at the same time you gotta keep up some shitty facade for the press and politicians.
>>29879770
Maybe, America has 10x the military budget of Russia and is swarming forces along its borders.
American propaganda is so effective, that even the poor victims on /k/ have fallen for it and actually think Russia is the aggressor.
That's how powerful America is, you have to admire that.
>>29879710
Minefields 101: never leave a minefield unobserved. See engineer's manual, Finnish Army
>>29879754
>And you can bin the petty ad hominems
>calls anyone criticizing Russia "Ameritards"
>probably actually thinks Americans are the only ones weary of Russia
How scared Russians are about NATO?
I can see that because NATO could steamroll them in few days.
>>29879783
>How does one attack Russia?
The plan is to supporting seperatist insurgencies in the southern republics, especially Muslim ones like Chechnya, Dagestan and Ingushetia or pour fire into small border conflicts like Georgia-Ossetia and the Armenian-Azeri dispute.
The plan is to weaken Russia economically, isolate it, and then let it fracture under separatist pressure.
The Great Game against Russia is very much alive.
I want Russia to succeed because they are the only hope of getting Constantinople back from the filthy Turks.
>>29879762
>>29879785
Is >>/x/ the new PROOFS meme for upset Russians?
>>29879812
90% of /k/ is American.
>>29879785
>>29879762
https://www.bellingcat.com/news/uk-and-europe/2015/09/22/russias-6th-tank-brigade/
>inb4 LIES!!!!!!!!!! NOT PROOFS!!! POST PROOFS!!!1
Point out where bellingcat is wrong
Protip: You cant
>>29879798
America is so powerful it managed to convince everyone a country that annexed territory illegally was acting aggressively
What?
Also nice unrelated pic moron
>>29879762
Now this is shitposting.
>>29879824
>The plan is to supporting seperatist insurgencies in the southern republics, especially Muslim ones like Chechnya, Dagestan and Ingushetia or pour fire into small border conflicts like Georgia-Ossetia and the Armenian-Azeri dispute.
>>>x
>The plan is to weaken Russia economically, isolate it, and then let it fracture under separatist pressure.
So what products do they need from the west? I thought they were all about crushing Polish apples.
>>29879828
I'm not Russia.
And there's been zero evidence to suggest Russian land forces units operating in Ukraine.
Equipment and advisers to lay artillery, perhaps, but anyone running around howling about a Russian invasion is either a menstruating woman, or a complete /x/-tier conspiracy theorist liable to question the Moon landings and calling 9/11 an inside job.
>>29879833
I'm not a russian but I'd still be in favor of a rangeban on those fucks
>>29879833
>filthy ameritards... how dare you criticize Mother Russia?
>please don't use ad-hominems against me and call me a Russian
>>29879844
Are all the Russians scared of a NATO attack Russian babushkas on their menstruation cycle too?
>>29879796
The amount of fucking political pressure to get countries to sign the Ottawa deal is ridiculous. What were they thinking?
>>29879627
How does this make you feel?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ICKPY6ffegc
>>29866904
It's been around before the civil war.
Always been a cavalry hat. Technically, it's part of a uniform.
>>29879837
>A fucking blog
You better alert NATO, because even they don't believe there's Russian forces in Ukraine..
HOLY SHIT ANON, this is a serious matter, you better fucking let them know ASAP, there's Russians in Ukraine...!
>>29879848
a rangeban of Americans on /k/?
>>29879844
>zero evidence
What about those VDV """""""tourists""""""" that somehow wandered into Ukraine?
May it be so that you regard everything as LIES!!!!!!! until RT or SputnikNews report about it?
>>29879824
>The plan is to supporting seperatist insurgencies in the southern republics, especially Muslim ones like Chechnya, Dagestan and Ingushetia or pour fire into small border conflicts like Georgia-Ossetia and the Armenian-Azeri dispute.
NATO expansion doesn't have anything to do with that. You could do that without NATO.
>>29879851
You are American.
And I'm not Russian.
I'm correct, and you're wrong, again. Amazing!
>>29879844
>nono dear UN observers, we are just here on holiday with our entire motorised batallion, russian picnic
>>29879526
>Make a deal with it.
Slavshit detected.
>>29879799
well if u believe in manuals
t: k245
>>29879848
>I'm not a russian but I'd still be in favor of a rangeban on those fucks
Literally nothing would change because there's maybe a 2-3 Russian visitors to /k/ daily.
You'd need to ban most Eurofags and a good chunk of US IPs for the Russo-American shitposting to stop.
>>29879861
Attack the content and not the source.
Given that the russian MoD has gotten itself into a flamewar with said blog, you might take them seriously.
>because even they don't believe there's Russian forces in Ukraine
Except they do, that is why there is NATO advisers there as we speak.
Holy shit. The amount of denial about basic facts by pro-russian or russian posters in this thread is so hilarious, it comes full circle and scares me.
>>29879798
>American propaganda
>That's how powerful America is, you have to admire that.
It's impressive, but it's a little sad rather than admirable.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/style/obama-official-says-he-pushed-a-narrative-to-media-to-sell-the-iran-nuclear-deal/2016/05/06/5b90d984-13a1-11e6-8967-7ac733c56f12_story.html
>“All these newspapers used to have foreign bureaus,” he said. “Now they don’t. They call us to explain to them what’s happening in Moscow and Cairo. Most of the outlets are reporting on world events from Washington. The average reporter we talk to is 27 years old, and their only reporting experience consists of being around political campaigns. That’s a sea change. They literally know nothing.”
>>29879874
>You are American.
Wrong
>I'm correct
Wrong
>you're wrong, again
Also wrong, considering both of my posts are correct
You still haven't managed to figure out why what you said was foolish. Keep at it friend.
>>29879865
Not a bad idea tbfh. It would quench most of the trolling, /pol/ threads and obnoxious tripfags.
>>29879895
Time to petition gookmoot to rangeban russians along with the chinese from the board.
>>29879867
>What about those VDV """""""tourists""""""" that somehow wandered into Ukraine?
Where they engaged in combat?
Where's the rest of that VDV unit? The smallest deployment would consist of a regiment..
The airborne regiment has a nucleus of three airborne battalions and three fire support subunits. These fire support subunits include one mortar battery, one ATGM battery, and one AA battery. There are other elements that support the combat elements. Each regiment now has over 100 BMDs.
If you're claiming that Russians are deploying main line maneuver units you're a complete fucking idiot and I can't help you.
>>29879906
What a terrible post, especially considering the fact that nearly every Russian thread is "How can puny American tank/plane/boat compete?" and every European post is crying about evil Americans or trying to talk about gun control
But yeah, ban the only people on this board who actually talk about weapons. If anything Europeans shouldn't be allowed to post here at all.
Also, at least half of the posters on /pol/ are Euros
>>29879881
Whatever makes you sleep better at night Burger Blaster.
>>29866472
Underrated post
>>29879577
Gladly it's really easy to improvise AP mines on the field. If shit hits the fan, we can still muster some up. Not in the numbers we earlier had but still.
>>29879890
Sorry, but NATO has made statements where they conclude that Russian main line forces are not engaged on the territory of Ukraine.
So, straight-up, your blog is disqualified, because NATO said so.
>>29879906
Early morning/midday /k/ is fucking terrible specifically because of Yuro posters and Slavs
>>29866410
>WWIII will have its own facebook and youtube channel
>>29879922
>denies Russian military presence in Ukraine
>Gets schooled
>*hurr durr I meant main line maneuver units*
k
>>29879896
This is how it works.
Obama tells his guy Ben Rhodes to circulate a story about Russians invading Ukraine in the media. Ben calls his friends who write blogs and columns for the papers and presto, you have menstruating women and zero-information dilettantes on /k/ howling at Russia, like wolves howling on a Moon-lit night.
It's quite sad. But I guess they're loyal to their boy Obumbo.
Would it be such a radical idea to the russians to not be such a plague towards their neighbors?
Just withdraw your military inland and demobilize a bit.
That way the eastern NATO members would finally focus on the problems with having american soldiers in their country.
The more russia threatens and bellows, the faster NATO will build up military in Eastern Europe as well as driving Sweden and Finland towards NATO membership.
>>29879917
>How does this
I know you're being facetious, but that's dumb.
Shutting out opposing discussion is not healthy; as it allows you to live in denial instead of responding to the opposition. Just look at what the Russian's in the thread think happened.
>>29879848
Seconded. It would be a nice experiment to rangeban them for a month or so.
Then follow by banning russians for the next month. Spoilers: the russian shill threads would still be here, because they're mostly anglosphere posters trolling each other.
>>29879930
>night Burger Blaster.
>this is my comeback
Is that the name of a restaurant?
>>29879978
Atleast some Russian posters can be bro-tier, sadly we're mostly stuck with eurotrash like >>29879906 and blindly patriotic slavaboos
>>29879966
There's no evidence of Russian forces presence. Not even US intel was able to come up with any proofs despite their sophistry.
game over, retard.
Russia snatched Crimea, and in my opinion, should have occupied Kiev in the same week, which they were very capable of considering the Ukrainian army basically doesn't exist.
>No Russian troops in Eastern Ukraine
Just like Crimea all over again.
>>29879942
proofs?
Also, try to dismiss the claims in the blog for once. NATO and EU has invited bellingcat to speak so they are being taken most seriously in the west BTW
>>29879982
I'd be down with this only if we permanently block all no-guns shitholes
>>29879976
This illustrates the insanity and hypocrisy of the pro-Hillary and pro-Obama foreign policy types.
Russia has forces stationed within its borders.
The United States has forces on Russia's borders, and they're crying bloody murder.
Hilarious.
Fucking hilarious.
Where's that cartoon that illustrates this so astutely?
>>29880027
>The United States has forces on Russia's borders, and they're crying bloody murder.
So Russians are scared of NATO?
>>29880027
Found it.
Thankfully, president Trump is going to execute the Neo-Con establishment and re-arrange America's foreign policy to be less belligerent towards Russia. Because there's no reason for the level of American hostility.
More interesting thing is the F-15s training in Finland.
happening
>>29880033
>So Russians are scared of NATO?
Sure as hell they are.
A nuclear force with the most powerful navy and air forces on the planet. They mean fucking business when they're sitting right at your border and coddling up to ISIS in the south.
I'd be REALLY goddamned worried if I were a strategist in Russia. Their nuclear arsenal is their only deterrent.
>>29880011
>>29879994
>tfw yuropoor who has jumped all the hoops to get funs
>tfw russia hates you and the US hates you
>tfw people would see you as acceptable collateral in a possible range ban
All i want to do is post about Mausers, hunting and feelgoods with the select few euros who still have guns.
What is this guy wearing on his head?
Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ghi8iN2zgvU
>>29880044
>no reason
Christ, how the fuck do you even respond to something like this? Russia has made no qualms about the fact that it's the enemy of the US. Even going so far as to make false flag videos of "American Soldiers" shooting at a Quran to get them killed
Are you an American that buys into the whole "the Russians are our friends!" nonsense?
>>29880027
Well, it's not like the US forced their way in.
They where invited because Russia acts like a dick currently.
Crimea takeover being legit or not, the baltics are spooped as fuck over the whole deal and are begging for more NATO troops.
>>29866496
> Stetson (cav)
> tanker boots (tankers)
They dont mix. Literally only LTC and above can get away with it. Youd get verbally annahilated by a pack of feral 1SGs if you walked around wearing both as lower enlisted scout
>>29880059
So all the talk about Russia being strong is not true?
How can you attack Russia?
Russia is strong compared to Finland. Why wouldn't it be justified for them seek assistance?
>>29880003
While I'm debunking your blog, I want you to debunk my blog:
http://how911wasdone.blogspot.ca/
Deal?
>>29879995
>There's no evidence of Russian forces presence
>I ignore all the evidence of Russian forces present
>*hurr durr retard*
Average level trolling. 3/10.
>>29880044
>President Trump
Bad news son
>>29880072
Looks like heather for some added camo.
>>29880076
>They were invited
>Number of Crimean invasions prior to coup d'etat in Kiev: 0
>Number of Crimean invasions prior to pro-Ameircan junta installed in Kiev after coup d'etat: 1
What I'm really surprised at, is how mild the Russian response has been.
They should have rolled into Kiev and basically occupied everything East of the Dnieper River.
My own theory is the Russians are still too weak to pull off something of that scale.
>>29879697
Only the best will suffice for a event of this magnitude, Especially when yanks will partake XDDDDd
Cant let the yanks think we have inferior cocks!
>>29880091
Hillary will be exposed for the murderous, despicable cunt she is. Even her appeal to mindless women will fade.
>>29879922
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/vladimir-putin/12054164/Vladimir-Putins-annual-press-conference-2015-live.html
Get fucked cuck
>>29880075
>Russia has made no qualms about the fact that it's the enemy of the US.
Really? Because I've been paying attention since 1991 and they've made nothing but overtures to the West.
The West mocked Yeltin's Russia and now that they have some clout back, they are vilifying Putin's Russia.
I'm an American that doesn't eat up the shit that State Department feeds you.
>>29880044
> no reason for the level of American hostility.
holly fucking shit
>president Trump
i have bad news for you son not only this is complete bs, but position from putin shows that he would rather have anyone else but trump as a president
>hurt durty durr putin supports trump
well yeah this how this shit works incredibly unpopular personality in western world support is not something you would want or will help get you votes
>hurty durtpy durp butthurt burgerclap
well i am Lithuanian, and i have no beef with russian people, but maybe their god-emperor could be less retarded and pretend they are soviet union at height of their power ?
>>29880125
Keep telling yourself that.
She was cleared of any wrongdoing in the email scandal.
If you truly believe a Clinton will lose, you'll have another thing coming.
I'm not pro-Clinton but at least I seethe writings on the wall.
>>29880110
So why is it ok for Russia for to set up a military alliance but it's not ok for Russia's and its allies' neighbours?
>>29880082
>So all the talk about Russia being strong is not true?
Yes.
They just barely recovered from the Yeltsin days. In the dark days of the mid-1990s, seperatist wars were raging, and Russia had to send in police and riot OMON units under contract to try to fight the wars that the conscript armies were too useless to fight. Those were dark days for Russians.
In the 1990s, the budget for new equipment purchases was ZERO rubles, for almost 11 years. Their GPS satellites were falling out of the sky with no money to keep the system running.
Only recently have they regained some of that capability.
Russia is a mess, and they're being portrayed as a Stalinist aggressor.
I assure you, Putin is quite rational.
>>29880159
A Cruz Fundamentalist.
I see now. Explains your love of Obama's Neo-Con agenda.
>>29880110
>US backed coup
Nice meme
Had not russia so violently fucked over the Ukies in the EU economic deal none of this would have happened.
In a way EU ought to thank russia for blocking any chance of Ukrainian EU membership seeing that are pretty much the same shit as regular russians but russia is till to blame for Ukraine revolting against their installed puppet Janukovytj. You pulled the strings so hard they snapped and now the entire Ukraine is in a tangle.
>>29880163
Well, they're still considered a great power, and great powers don't like their toes stepped on.
You think America would tolerate a Russian military outpost in North Mexico?
>>29880173
I assure you, Putin is quite rational.
Cool, cool. So are Russia's neighbours when they join NATO.
>all these cucks hungry for NATO's shriveled jew-peckers & Obama's BBC
Finland is an independent nation, and will not fight a war of aggression. Now get the fuck out of my swamp.
>>29880183
Nice projecting.
I was all aboard the Ron and Rand meme. I hate all current candidates.
>>29880173
>I assure you, Putin is bro-tier
>When I don't shitpost on chan, I hang out in the Kremlin
I feel assured.
>>29880110
>Number of Crimean invasions AFTER to pro-Ameircan junta installed in Kiev after coup d'etat: 1
Fugg, fixed.
>>29880205
>is a cuck hungry for manlet Putin's slavic cock
>>29880210
I said rational.
>>29880223
Finland has long ago figured out that the best way to not get invaded is to maintain neutrality through strength.
Sorry, NATO can fuck right off back to the shit-eaters in Poland.
>>29880196
>Well, they're still considered a great power, and great powers don't like their toes stepped on.
They aren't see here >>29880185
>You think America would tolerate a Russian military outpost in North Mexico?
Probably would stop all trade with them. Russia could do the same.
How would Russia attack USA from Mexico?
How would USA attack Russia from Europe?
>>29880225
>I make assurances about Putin
>I don't hang out with Putin
Your assurance isn't worth much, anon
