Anyone know what rifle this is?
![Mauserm67[2].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/KeRlbRt.jpg "Mauserm67[2].jpg")
>>29863857
looks like an unfinished mauser model.
or that they used pic related as inspiration
>>29863857
I think those are french helmets, so probably one of the many rifles they used.
Or maybe it's just some made up shit/placeholder for the trailer.
>>29863857
Its an Gewehr 98 that has been made to look like the Carcano Carbines. Its most likely a place holder until there model can be complete. If you look at this pic you can see the area where the Rollercoaster sight should be, it also has a Mauser flag safety
>>29863943
The stock in particular really makes me think we're just looking at a WIP or a flatout placeholder. Looks like something from an early 7th Gen title.
>>29863943
itallian uniforms, and the gew 98 is fully modelled in other parts of the vid so you are probably right.
but i dont get why they made it look like the carbine instead of the carcano the grunts used
>>29863857
It looks pretty identical to a Mauser Sporter K, no idea why that is though. Probably either just a placeholder or some shit, but it's a little aggravating to say the least.
>>29864394
>italians
>that means austro-hungarians are probably confirmed
>tfw get to play the 12 battles
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UEGn45WdDW4
Unfinished Carcano Calvary Carbine that's using the Mauser model.
>>29863943
Hello, Othias.
>>29866205
Yeah, the specifically mentioned the Dolomites as a map.
I really hope that the SAA is in the game.
it was a (i think) standard issue US pistol during the time and its really fucking cool.
I want to remove reich with a SAA and a BAR, goddammit.
>>29863857
famas
looks like an early AR variant
>>29866205
>the 12 battles
Fuck. This. Guy.
>gay fucking name
>lolEA
>semiautomatics and machine guns everywhere
Why are you excited over this? Why are we even talking about this?
I'll just keep playing Verdun, thank you very much.
This is like Michael Bay's take on WW1... With even shittier music.
>>29867086
You got that vibe too?
>mfw finally get to fufill my red baron fantasy.
>>29867086
Verdun master race anon. Theres no way to make bolt action trench warfare appealing to the masses. It's definitely a niche interest
>>29866993
It's a shame we still have squares, streets and schools named after this retarded cunt
>>29867107
Rise of Flight has been a thing for a while anon.
>>29867116
>Theres no way to make bolt action trench warfare appealing to the masses. It's definitely a niche interest
Considering the trailer already shows people basically rushing with a shouldered Lewis MG while accurately shooting, I doubt there'll be much bolt actioning outside of sniping.
Also:
- Cloth & wood biplane crashing a building like nothing and exploding instead of folding up like the paper plane that it is.
- Tanks having the acceleration of a fucking motorcycle.
- Low altitude zep... Why the fuck would they do that? The whole point of zeps is flying so high planes can't fucking reach you. Or is he so far behind enemy lines or some shit?
- Equiping a gas mask in 1 second flat.
- Black lead character! Playable warrior woman HUZZAH! Muh social justice.
Yeah, fuck that. I'll be in Verdun mowing down people with my MG08/15 & MG08/18. For me Verdun is the only game to actually feel like it could be WW1.
>>29867208
I really hope they don't shit the bed and not make bolt actions general issue. They stated that you were able to fix bayonets, so there must be at least some kind of focus on rifles
>>29867208
>verdun
brought it when it was released, i stopped playing it because i felt like it was lacking some features, did it become even greater ?
>>29867424
>did it become even greater
They had a small expansion recently. Added some more squad types etc.
>>29867547
>small
>>29867424
It's fucking awesome now, I did the same thing a few months ago but I came back
Due to lack of unique variety in guns during that era I expect the game to not be about gunplay. This is bad. That means it will focus on the stuff I don't really like about bf4+3. Planes and tanks and mounted combat. The brutal melee stocks look fun but as core combat I feel that's not going to all that good. Counter knifing was lame and stupid. I hope the core gameplay is better than what they're showing us.
>>29867208
>Black lead character! Playable warrior woman HUZZAH! Muh social justice.
I remember people getting angry about there being female hostages in rainbow 6..................................
the US really is going to shit.
>>29867593
Don't worry. They're going to squeeze in every obscure prototype gun of the era that they can...which will ruin what could have been an awesome, historically accurate game.
Having bolt actions, working the action after every shot and slow as fuck to reload, would make for some really tense close quarters combat. But theyre going to ruin it.
>>29867594
>US
It's made by swedes mate
>>29867208
>Black lead character!
Actually, playing as a Morrocan Tirailleur or Indian Sepoy might be a pretty interesting experience, and historically accurate.
>>29866207
>Hello, Othias.
Mein neger.
How many Great War fags in this thread?
>>29867629
>>which will ruin what could have been an awesome, historically accurate game.
Historical accuracy doesn't matter to the target audience
yes, it's shitty
>>29867689
That's the thing. Instead of going for more diverse and arguably more interesting groups like Sikhs, Sepoys or Tirailleurs, they went for the cliche American Tyrone type character.
I'm calling some sort of racism will be at the forefront of the plot, this game is made by Swedes after all.
>>29867710
what if he's a british african who's fighting with the french?
>>29867671
He's talking about the stupid internet war over nothing.
>>29863857
>1 month after release
>everyone has an MP18 and auto broomhandle
>mfw still using G98 and bayoneting niggas
>>29867629
>pedersons device available for the springfield
>everyone running around with semi automatic rifles and obscure automatic weapons that were prone to jamming and violent malfunction IRL
>mfw
Honestly a big part of battlefield I missed was the faction element, where each faction had classes with faction specific weapons. BF3 was cool in that Russians started with AKs and RPKs while the US had M4s and M16s but after a week it was a mess.
>>29867717
>harlem hellfighters
sounds pretty american to me
>>29867629
>Having bolt actions, working the action after every shot and slow as fuck to reload, would make for some really tense close quarters combat. But theyre going to ruin it.
The Battlegrounds mod for Half-Life 2 and Napoleonic wars for Mount & Blade warband have breach loading cannons, muskets and rifles with looooong reload times.
Trust me, it's fun as fuck.
>>29867593
>Due to lack of unique variety in guns
Do a bit of research, you dolt. The guns of WW1 are fucking amazing in variety. Start at "The Great War" and "C&R arsenal" youtube channels and get educated.
>>29867594
>I remember people getting angry about there being female hostages in rainbow 6.
When the dev says they did it to raise awareness, my bullshit meter goes off.
>>29867689
>Actually, playing as a Morrocan Tirailleur or Indian Sepoy might be a pretty interesting experience, and historically accurate.
Oh certainly. In a lot of ways, WW1 was far less racist than WW2.
The colonial troops were decently equiped and valued as true soldiers. They were often decorated for their actions.
I don't mind at all them being in the game. It's the special snowflake bullshit and "awareness raising" shit from the dev that gets to me.
The woman bedouin is really especially hilarious to me due to:
How that culture handled women.
How horrendously bad Bedouin proved to be in modern fights. They were marauders. Hit & run was the name of their game.
How we fucked them over so royally with the Sykes-Picot agreement, after having made them endless promises of freedom and an own state.
>>29867786
>The Battlegrounds mod for Half-Life 2 and Napoleonic wars for Mount & Blade warband have breach loading cannons, muskets and rifles with looooong reload times.
>Trust me, it's fun as fuck.
I had doubts when I tried Verdun, but the stress is what makes it an interesting game. When you hop into a trench & miss your shot? Scary shit that gets hectic as fuck. At the same time, it's not uncommon for a machinegunner to mow down 5 to 10 guys at the start of a map because they were rushing in an uncoordinated fashion without sniper cover.
It's very important for everyone to know their role. Machinegunners counter assaults, snipers counter machinegunners, and grenadiers, flamers & shotgunners clear trenches & campers.
A rush without sniper cover is pretty much doomed.
>>29864394
>Italians
Why tho?
They did fuck all during the entire War.
Russia, Serbia, Romania all are better enemies for the Habsburgs.
>>29867954
great place to start the conflict then
>>29867963
desu senpai I just want to be a Romanian Rosior with muh stupid red uniform and Martini Henry.
>YOLO faget charges before his wave with his special snowflake prototype smg
>gets shot the fuck down by bolt actions from the defense
Or at least I hope that's what happens
>>29868038
>be Reichboo
>Chatting over voice communications with komraden
>We all hear some 14 year old aspie screech out YOLO BITCHES AAAYYYEE from the other trench
>See singular soldier in all DLC gear running at us with a fucking golden trench club
>"Ich hasse ihn" is heard over the voicechat
>single 8mm mauser reports and the Yolofag goes down hard in a puddle
>everyone laughs over him screaming that bolt actions are OP
Please, i need this
>>29868099
WITNESSED!
And sorry, it won't happen.
It's going to be people running around hipfiring maxim machine guns.
>>29863857
could someone link the video?
>>29867689
Or German Askari.
Five bucks the game won't even acknowledge the East African theater.
I'm surprised no ones losing it over this rifle
I don't even play call of duty but the new one looks better than this.
>>29868209
I would love to of seen 1980's cold war east vs west scenario
>>29868209
Why are you lying
I hope this game traumatized many 12 year olds.
>>29868223
I'm not
>>29868189
Tankgewehr?
>>29868256
Yes
>>29868179
You're lazy as fuck
https://youtu.be/c7nRTF2SowQ
>>29868223
I actually agree with him. EA is probably just trying to cash in on the WW1 centennial while still making a stupid "alternate history" bastardization. Call of Duty can be fun when it either
>takes itself semi seriously and has a believable plot
Or
>goes full retard action movie that doesn't care
The new cod looks to be going for the latter
>>29868188
did you even watch the trailer
>>29868276
my dick is diamonds
>>29868274
They're pretty delicious.
>>29867954
>they did fuck all during the entire conflict
If Americans are in this game, Italians have every right to be.
>>29868348
>Imblying I agree with the Donut Battalion being in game.
>>29868099
> not waiting till the gasattack and storming his place with a MP18
> finding his body mutated by the gas
I WANT IT
>>29867954
>>29868348
>More vehicles and weapons
OH MAN HOW SHITTY THAT THE US AND ITALY ARE IN THE GAME
>>29867013
you clearly didn't even watch the trailer
>>29866205
>>29866993
>Gee maggiore, whata are we gonna do thisa month?
>same thing we do every month, soldate. Try to repel the Austrians!
>>29868514
>Italians and Americans use the same weapons and vehicles as the French and Brits, only mixed together
Read a book.
>>29867930
>amazing in variety
You mean a bunch of bolt actions that are functionally almost the exact same, and a bunch of obscure semi auto prototypes
>>2986818
It'll probably be DLC. It's being surprisingly diverse with the map selection.
>>29867208
Black dudes are a dlc. The harlem hellraisers actually earned their reputation too.
>>29868606
Oh yeah and the myriad of 5.56 rifles in modern shooters are so much different right?
>>29868622
>hellfighters*
Sorry i was talking comics with a friend just a minute ago.
>>29868639
But you see I ducktaped all this junk from the hardware store to it. It's now tactical and sheeeit.
>>29868606
>bolt actions with internal mag
>bolt actions with tube mag
>single shot bolts
>breach loaders
>muzzle loaders
>lever actions
>carbines
>revolvers
>semiautomatic pistols
>obscure smgs
>conversion kits and modifications out the ass
>melee weapons
>weird grenades
>smokeless, blackpowder
>flatnose bullets, spitzer bullets.
theres a shitload of variety man. variety doesnt mean 5.56 assault rifles in different shapes
>>29868662
Balancing will actually make some sense in this game. Unlike a different 5.56 rifle doing more damage than another 5.56 rifle.
>>29868276
>he doesn't realize that the new CoD is literally CoD One Year War
MOEAGARE GUNDAMU
>>29868276
>>goes full retard action movie that doesn't care
yeah i have to admit this one looks fun because they said fuck it, lets make space ships and robots and shit, fuck real wars in real places
>>29868684
U fo real nigguh?
>>29868684
>not the Second Extrasolar War
Helghans did nothing wrong.
If they do the Miracle of the Marne I will be the happiest guy alive.
Also, I'm pretty sure the black guy in the art at the end isn't the protagonist, nor is he American. I reckon he's from Germany's colonies, probably Tanzania.
However, if there are other playable colonial classes, Zouaves all the way. Nothing says "Empires in WW1" quite like an angry Tunisian in massive red trousers screaming French at a Czech soldier from Austria-Hungary.
>>29867208
I really do not care about historical accuracy or Muh SJWs I really just want to bayonet people.
>>29868871
>Also, I'm pretty sure the black guy in the art at the end isn't the protagonist, nor is he American
There is no protag.
They've already confirmed that you're going to experience the war from multiple soldiers across multiple factions. It would be foolish to have a protagonist in this sort of setting.
I reckon it's going to be something like CoD Finest Hour, where you play multiple americans, a brit, a russian, etc.
If one of these factions happens to be the Harlem Hellraisers or or an Arabic warrior, so be it. I want to fight in the lesser known battles of the war.
Kind of like how D-Day got real old real fast in WWII games/movies.
In keeping with BF tradition of course, though, the guy on the cover is either not even a character or just a side one.
>>29868834
>>29868810
>>29868684
Just watched that trailer.
Honestly looks more interesting than Niggerfield Kool Aid boogaloo.
>fuckhueg carries lobbing missiles inna space
>ballistic weapons
>bipedal drones laying down fire support.
Kinda neat actually.
>>29868908
/k/: the post
Was there any major combat in WWI that happened within towns/cities instead of in fields and trench warfare?
>>29868834
>sol system colonies attack earth
>earthnoids take the fight back to them
>giant robots
all they need is "souls held down by gravity"
>>29868940
Uh yes. Plenty.
>German whirlwind through Belgium.
>Galician towns being passed around like whores in the push and pull of the eastern front.
>Ypres
>Cities getting captured left and right in battles in the Middle East.
>>29868972
>Ypres
Early on, yes, but my understanding is the weather and the destruction pretty much turned it into a muddy hellhole?
Or am I thinking of the Somme or something
>>29868834
>Salty colonists and soldiers get taxed and covered in red tape by Earth based government
>They suprise attack and rekt everything, but eventually get repelled
>Earth gov forces retaliate
Literally Killzone
>>29866993
>>29867150
What'd he do?
>>29869030
More or less.
>Colonists get shit on by getting forced to a literally toxic planet and die en-masse via slavsquatting from Earth that provides them zero support
>The survivors are salty as fuck but the toxic nature of the planet has made them more powerful
>Go to Earth and absolutely wreck face
>Get repelled by Mary Sue characters and a bunch of super unlikely events occurring all at once, with a higher chance of the Big Bang occurring locally
>Mary Sue characters are all super salty they got shot at so they decide to go to Helghan
>For whatever reason, Helghast are weak as fuck on Helghan
>Mary Sue characters do stuff like taking on city-sized airships singlehandedly, encouraging military coups, and recruiting local forces from the militias, all the while dodging bullets like an African with a life preserver
>All this occurs and the Mary Sues release a bomb that kills all life on Helghan, making them the heroes because they're super good guys and the Helghan are poopy doo-doo heads
>They celebrate the destruction of multiple species, the genocide of a race, and the death of literally zero of their main character friends back at base on Earth, where everything is beautiful and awesome because they're the Good Guys
Fuck the ISA. Helghan is for the Helghast!
Why does every FPS now have to have zombies or dubstep or the distorted inception sound or a slow motion building collapse
or excessive motion blur or 500 different scope unlocks or players running 5 times faster than normal or mandatory undertones of contemporary black american culture
none of that shit is good and its not what people like about the games, it's solely to trick the kind of nigger kids who dont like FPS into buying it and playing it once
>>29868810
Emma Sheen was the sex.
>>29868930
See the post right above yours
>>29868606
You mean a bunch of semi-auto that are functionally almost the exact same, and a bunch of obscure full auto prototypes
You mean a bunch of full auto that are functionally almost the exact same, and a bunch of obscure energy weapon prototypes
You mean a bunch of energy weapons that are functionally almost the exact same, and a bunch of obscure nano cloud prototypes
>>29869167
What about it? It's still a fucking shit tier bf4 clone with a WW1 skin.
>>29869119
>it's solely to trick the kind of nigger kids who dont like FPS into buying it and playing it once
why did you ask the question if you already knew the answer?
>>29869190
Its not about the niggers is the point you missed.
>>29869190
>bf4 clone
wow what an incisive and interesting critique, I totally did not expect a game called Battlefield to be anything like the other games called Battlefield
you are really doing the intellectual community a great service by providing us with such deep insight
>>29869119
I fixed it anon
http://vmashup.com/ucYUtLHN
>>29863857
I really want to know how big a factor No Man's Land will play on the trench maps.
So fucking stoked, man. I jizzed myself over the armored train
>>29869201
>i-it's not about n-niggers
I didn't say that it was, you fucking nigger.
>>29869212
Yeah, god forbid doing something innovative with the franchise.
Fuck off you god damn drone.
>>29867013
>Why are we even talking about this?
Name every other Great War shooter to date.
>Verdun
>..................................
That's what I fucking thought.
>>29869224
>Niggerfield Kool Aid boogaloo.
>>29869244
There's a fucking melanin enriched monkey man in the picture that is going to be the fucking box art.
Fucking kill yourself desu.
>>29868916
>tfw German campaign
>tfw chillin with your sturm bros
>tfw throwin bundled grenades all day and sweeping trenches with your MP18
do u niggas even oper8?
>>29869257
Its a dlc you fucking mong
Can anyone identify the factions here?
>>29869272
https://www.battlefield.com/buy/battlefield-1
Monkey man is on both covers.
Fuck off.
>>29869224
>Yeah, god forbid doing something innovative with the franchise.
what a pathetic and humiliating comment. why did you even write this garbage?
and during chirstmas there'll be an impromptu and unofficial cease fire and everyone will play divegrass in no man's land while the commander threatens to execute all his team mates as traitors
>>29869288
German on the right. Probably a non military fighter on the left. Or some north african country
>>29869289
Are you actually pissed off theres a black dude from a distinguished unit on the cover of a video game where you can (or not if its a dlc) play as a soldier from that unit?
>>29869314
>it's a dlc!
>Are you pissed!
No i'm not pissed.
I really don't give a fuck.
Go the fuck away if you're going to be this triggered by someone jokingly calling it Niggerfield.
>>29868606
>You mean a bunch of bolt actions that are functionally almost the exact same, and a bunch of obscure semi auto prototypes
Leaving out bolt guns (many of which interesting in their own right btw):
Lewis Gun.
BAR.
RSC 1917/1918
Mod 1915 CSRG Chauchat
OVP 1918
Remington Model 8
Winchester 1905/07/10
Meunier A6
Beretta M1918
Bergmann M18/I
Madsen
Vickers
Scharzlose MG
Maxim MG08
Maxim 1910
Hotchkiss 1909
Hotchkiss 1914
Browning M1917
MG08/15.
MG08/18.
Totally fucking boring, eh?
And yes, all these were at least issued in the thousands.
>>29869338
>BAR
Wasn't it issued really fucking late? So late that it barely saw any use, like at all.
>>29869338
> letting out the glory of the first ever produced subguns
>>29869221
Oooh yeah hadn't thought about that. Barbed wire, lans mines, artillery areas, it would be great if those effected the level. Even better if they were randomized each time or teams randomly got to pick one to set up bbefore the match.
>>29869392
and gas
don't forget the gas
also i'd imagine in a trench map there would be some fixed MG emplacements
>>29869364
> Wasn't it issued really fucking late?
yeah, the american joined in in the last quarter and claimed it a "victory"
>Italians confirmed
Holy shit i'm hyped.
>>29869364
>Wasn't it issued really fucking late? So late that it barely saw any use, like at all.
Yeah, kinda. Still belongs on the list since Browning Junior went to demo it at the front lines. It was only used for 3 months before armistice.
>>29869372
>letting out the glory of the first ever produced subguns
There's plenty room for improvement for that list. I'd add broomhandles & arti lugers with a stock too. Proved good at trench clearing. At least compared to a bolt gun.
>>29869364
It was created in 1916/1917 but wasn't fielded because by the time US troops joined in and were getting ready to use them the war had strongly turned in the Allies favor. They weren't fielded much because the Allies didn't want the Germans capturing a Bar and reverse engineering them and mass producing them to try snd turn the tide of war.
>>29868930
>TFW the protag is stronk womyn fighting cis males in space
>>29869438
> Stronk Womyn
Don't forget she's a Stronk Arab Womyn, with her best friend the Black Brit
Oh boy here comes /pol/.
Who gives a fuck about the single player in a BF title.
>>29867208
I can never get into Verdun. Peeking for 0.1 seconds and getting killed by a tryhard with 3000 hours on the game from the other side of the map isn't "fun".
>>29869465
Quite a few did when it turned out Battlefront barely had any.
>>29869477
You mean the 4 hour campaign?
I remember reading that half of the buyers don't even touch it.
>>29869474
>I can never get into Verdun. Peeking for 0.1 seconds and getting killed by a tryhard with 3000 hours on the game from the other side of the map isn't "fun".
It's not like the tryhard has magical shit you don't, though. The bonus equipment is all very easy to gain.
All he has is knowledge of the map.
>>29869474
>I could never get into the Somme. Peeking over the berm just to get shot by some kraut who has 2 years in the trenches from the other side of no mans land isnt "fun $
Get fucked you CoD bitch
>>29869494
Not him, but Verdun is just tedious.
The teams are way to small to replicate any kind of charge, and 1 good sniper will lock down the whole game.
>>29869506
>The teams are way to small to replicate any kind of charge, and 1 good sniper will lock down the whole game.
Only 1 sniper? Can't shoot quickly enough to lock down anything. Snipers are support & cover. MGs if unopposed, they can lock shit down for a while though. But even then, that doesn't last too long.
Anyhow, if you're only into quick action and rushing, Verdun is not for you. BF probably is.
>>29869506
i love how the game punishes you severely for moving and shooting, especially with handguns
>>29863916
Those are def. french helmets, unless anyone else has the crown/whatever-that-is on the top of them.
>>29869078
Threw hapless Italians into the Isonzo meatgrinder and blamed them for his failures.
It is a battlefield game it is not meant to be ultra realistic please try not to tip your fedora too hard.
>>29869819
fuck off drone, if every single BF game is exactly the same in different flavors, then why support such blatant laziness
>>29869652
literally half of the countries used that helmet. including italy, which uses the uniforms that the guys have too.
>>29868930
>being this mad over black characters in a video game
Did Tyrese fuck your wife?
>>29869838
Because I enjoy playing it?
>>29867208
join steam group A MAGICAL /K/OMPANIE so /k/ can play together
>>29869838
>sequels are supposed to be 100% different except in name alone
Fuck off, cunt.
>>29870226
>sequels are the same game every single time
>>29869652
>Those are def. french helmets
LOL, nearly all Entente powers used french designed Adrian helmets...
>>29870226
> BF3 was a good sequel to BF2
>>29867698
Me.
I hope the game does the war justice and isn't just the same as all modern shooters
>>29866205
AUSTRIAN SKII COMMANDO TIME!
>>29868348
American should just be a reskin of Britain and France unless set in the last year.
Any word on the other Colonial armies like the Canadians or the Aussies? Also, I hough it was funny how playing as multiple people in different armies and roles (tanker, infantry, etc) is a huge innovation when we had that shit in Cod 2
>>29870632
$20 that there will be ANZAC DLC woth its own campaign at Gollippe
>>29870632
I want my Ross.
I want muh bolt exploding into my face
Yes.
What is all this talk about a black dude and a chick? is this about battlefield or call of duty?
>>29868999
Ypres did get turned into a muddy hellhole. It's also the site of the first large-scale gas attack of the war - the Germans had used CS a few times on the eastern front with mediocre results, but at Ypres they released a fuckload of chlorine and it basically caused most of a british division to rout. The whole thing failed to bust open the front only because the Germans had hugely underestimated the effect the gas caused (it was more or less an experiment becuase nobody really knew how it'd work out) and they weren't prepared to fully exploit it.
>>29870717
It could be about both, really.
>>29869288
I assume they are either germans or Ottomans which used helmets similar to the Stahlhelm.
>>29866207
I just got here. Also I never say "rollercoaster" sight.
>>29870717
One of the like 8 storyline characters in the new Battlefid games happens to be black. The main character in the new Call of Duty is a chick. /pol/ is having an existential crisis, just ignore it.
>>29869288
Looks like someone forgot to model a Boys in time for the press release.
>>29868220
Wasn't that sort of black ops 1? I know it would've been in a later time period but the idea was very similar
>>29869288
>MK1 tanks
FUCK. YES.
>>29869338
>Remington Model 8
>military service
I want some of what you're smoking
They've said they are not doing an alt history and will stick with the war, which has me worried.
Nearly every shot shows exotic gear, the protagonist is from the USA, who showed up for only the last bit of the war, leaving out a LOT of the story up until that point.
The Harlem Hellfighters were on labor duty until reassignment to the French and never had rifles until April of 1918....the war ended in November.
The guns displayed in detail are all automatics, no bolt action was shown closely. The best shot we have is of a scoped rifle, another very very rare sight on the battlefield.
I don't think EA could float a realistic WWI shooter. People would not stand for bolt actions especially when you consider consoles.
But they don't want to lose any PR points. So they're going to call it historically accurate.
I don't know about you guys but there are only a handful of us in the public sphere doing detailed WWI firearms info. I haven't heard of Ian getting a message and I haven't gotten one either. Although I do know one other WWI personality that did have a meeting, though I don't know what came of it.
Wikipedia is not sufficient. There is no set of even 10 books that could cover the guns in any reliable way. In order to get the most basic understanding of the guns necessary for this to be right I'd count at least 15 titles in 3 languages, MINIMUM. + some handling.
I have a list going of ALL the guns of WWI. Some are still resisting my research as to if they were just at the wire or actually post armistice. Just piecing the list together is a pain because of fudd lore.
Case in point: Lots of people think the Thompson was issued. Nope.
Others think the Krag was issued, and some books prop this up. Literally every claim goes back to a single biography with a single offhand line describing seeing another unit and an ASSUMPTION about their guns.
If 30-40 Krag were on the line, I feel like I would have found SOMETHING tangible by now.
>>29870906
You're just mad because video game developers don't pay autistic "experts" like you to rant at them about obscure technical details of firearms so they can just ignore them and make the game like they would have anyway.
>>29868099
overkek
>>29870893
The French bought a bunch in both .351 and 8mm and were testing them and doing limited field usage when the war ended. Had it continued it might have become a new standard French rifle.
>>29870893
The Russians ordered them in 7.62x54r at the beginning of the war when they had more men than domestic production could arm. I think Ian did a video on it
>>29870906
Any>>29870893
proofs it's you?
If it is, awesome work! I love the show to death. But y'know, people lie on the internet
>>29870945
Gonna need a source there buddy. I wouldn't think a Model 8 could even chamber 8mm safely.
>>29870973
Fuck you're right I was thinking the Winchester self loader.
Teh French did do limited trials with the Model 8 though. Tehy trialed pretty much everyting in existance at some point or another.
>>29870973
Forgot to add to >>29870982
Teh French 8mm used was the French 8mm ribeyrolle which eventuall became the swiss 8mm intermediate and which was copied by the germans to make 8mm Kurz
>>29870935
attention to detail is neat
Look at how well Ro2 did their research, the guns felt perfect
>>29870999
Never even heard of that cartridge before. Would be cool if the French adopted the Winchester 1907.
>>29871001
I'm pretty sure Tripwire did their research by just going out and buying a couple of guns and looking up youtube videos of the rest.
>>29871031
The britbong guy there is a historian by trade before he got involved with TW iirc
>>29871022
Thats the ne I was thinking off.
French gave it large magazine and full auto capability
>>29870893
It did happen. It wasn't common but it did happen.
The French bought some, they had an eclectic mixture of semi auto sporting rifles for balloon surveyors and air crew.
>>29870632
they had it back in day of defeat in 98
if you really want to count it hell it was in team fortress back in 96
>>29870935
neat, yet irrelevant to the fantasy experience of media (movies, tv, video games, etc.). it only is noticed by extremists engaging in whatever that hobby is.. cars, guns, whatever.
>>29871132
correction, dod was 2000
>>29868871
This, I feel a need to bayonet Krauts while drinking maple syrup.
>>29869115
The opening speeches make me hard as fuck:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZXAugWfVb0E
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3mPYW9F00uA
>>29863857
I'd really like for them to add in jamming for the automatics
>>29871280
fuck
now I have to replay KZ2 again
>>29871469
Not worth playing RF2 again, but this speech is good also.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=itAXz7ywuTQ
>>29871497
> tfw I have the game laying right next to me
>>29871505
I'm nostalgic about it, but I wouldn't say it was a good game. Takes a nose dive after the street battle section.
I'm probably going to exclusively play hardcore in this, usually in battlefield games it takes two rounds from a bolt action to drop someone, but in hardcore it'll only take one.
>>29869288
Shouldn't the tank be doing something more along the lines of this?
>>29868276
What's with their fetish with covering up faces? Like half the guys in there have some scarf or something hiding their face, even the artillerymen. Also I see a lot of experimental helmets/body armor in there that were basically never used in combat, I really hope that trailer is just a showcase.
I know it's asking a lot for a historically accurate WW1 game but it's just triggering my autism.
>>29871523
I probably would have liked it better if they'd not called it Red Faction.
I was expecting more of Red Faction 1 (Mars, mines, grimness, nanotech abominations, railgun mercs, geomod).
>>29867930
>When the dev says they did it to raise awareness, my bullshit meter goes off.
>raising awareness of an honestly 'kickass unit' that bucks the trend of African Americans being put into service roles is bullshit
You're bullshit.
>>29867710
>aiming at your target audience [mostly Americans is stupid
Ok Mr Businessman.
>>29868916
This. An earlier thread about Battlefield One was bitching that it shouldn't be focusing on troops that only played a small part, but honestly they can be the most interesting.
Reckon it was full of /pol/fags mind you.
>>29869115
The second you unlocked him I always played as the half Helghan in the original one, that Helghan assault rifle was OP when it was half accurate.
>>29869119
>none of that shit is good and its not what people like about the games
.....in your opinion.
People said the same shit about games getting to realistic and gritty.
>>29871568
>What's with their fetish with covering up faces?
Faceless head models are probably a time-saving measure for the dev team. It's easier than having to account for facial expressions and potential uncanny valley.
>>29869483
There isn't a campaign for Battlefront.
At all.
>>29870906
Go fuck yourself anon.
It's a game, making niche enough to appeal to you and your fellow autists is pointless.
>>29871001
>Ro2
>historically accurate
ha....haha......AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
No, there's more to historical realism than just making sure that the sling swivel on the K98 is in the exact position as in real life etc
>>29869288
Why does that German look surprised? The tank had a top speed of 2mph. Oh right, DICE is throwing out historical accuracy in favor of sexing up a war the public already knows fuck all about. They could at least use a Whippet or something.
>>29871807
>Germans were surprised by British tanks
Are you taking the piss?
>>29871807
Even more so why would he be suprised by what is likely a German tank?
By the time of the T-Gewehr the Brits had started painting markings on the front to help tell them apart from the ones the Germans had captured and were using.
>>29871734
But WW1 WAS uncanny valley
They have the potential for some serious shell shock faces. And just missing faces.
Also don't forget those sweet turn of the century mustaches.
>>29871734
Yes, but there's also a psychological reason behind it. It allows players to more guiltless mow down soldiers when they have no faces.
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/FacelessGoons
>>29871824
>Late war, when Germans have been well exposed to tanks and have developed weapons and techniques to specifically deal with them
>"ACH! VER DID ZEES SLOWLY CREEPING UND NOISY DEVIL KOMM FROM?? I AM SO SHOCKED BY EETS SUDDEN APPEARANCE!"
>>29871863
It better not be another "everyone has a balaclava on"
Goddamnit I want to feel guilty about shooting some poor 16 year old German and watching his face twist in shock and pain as he falls down into a muddy pit and slowly gets sucked into the sloppy cold earth.
>>29870935
Naw, just mad a bunch of half wits like you will be screaching that sawn off SMLE are a real thing that totally got used all the time at me while I'm trying to do big-boy work.
I wonder if they are going to incorporate a trench whistle as a "GO!-sign" for pushes. That would have been awesome.
I'm most stoked about using artillery. I really hope that you can blast away at no-mans-land with them and not target directly the trenches. That would be too overpowered.
>>29870798
Yep, black ops 1 campaign was set in and around the cold war. It was fucking cool, even with really bad anachronisms like MP5Ks and AUGs and even a bloody G11 all issued and years before they were even designed.
It pisses me off that the first big Vietnam level gives you an M16... With an underslung shotgun attached. Why oh why did you have to spoil my perfect period rifle with this silly tacticool shit, why?
>>29871824
>people tell the infantry anything
>>29871981
>I'm most stoked about using artillery
>get on artillery
>tk'ed 7 times every match because some kid wants to use it for free kills
it's as if you never played Bad Company.
>>29871981
>I Don't Know How Trench Warfare Worked But Will Comment On It Anyway: The Post
Holy fuck, the next two years are going to be like this, aren't they?
>>29872028
I played a lot of BFBC2. I loved it. Before that I mostly played BF2, Forgotten Hope mods for both BF1942 and BF2.
>>29872058
I mean as a gameplay mechanic. It isn't fun being spawnkilled all the time by someone in the artillery.
And I do hope bolt actions are standard issue.
>>29872105
>I played a lot of BFBC2. I loved it. Before that I mostly played BF2, Forgotten Hope mods for both BF1942 and BF2.
but not the original Bad Company?
That's why there are no player used guns in BF games anymore.
>>29870792
The Boys rifle was not made till the mid 30's. That us a mauser m1918, the only AT rifle of the war
>>29870792
>Boys
>WW1
That's a fucking Mauser T-Gewehr. How can you be on /k/ and not recognize it?
>>29871994
Black ops is meant to be like a bad action movie
>>29871994
DRAGOVICH. KRAVCHENKO. STEINER.
ALL MUST DIE.
>>29871807
>Oh right, DICE is throwing out historical accuracy in favor of sexing up a war the public already knows fuck all about.
It's called Artistic License. They want the player to see a tank the same way an infantryman in WW1 saw them: a fucking unstoppable behemoth shrouded in myth that spreads terror at its very sight and needs fucking artillery called in on it to stop it.
>>29872105
It would NEED the ability for artillery to target trenches. The main trick to a successful attack in WWI was pounding the trenches with artillery, then following up with infantry as soon as possible, before the defenders could rush in reinforcements from a second line trench or emerge from their dugouts and bunkers. Although, given the 'progression' of the Battlefield series, I don't expect anything like coordinated attacks to factor into their design.
>And I do hope bolt actions are standard issue.
You clearly haven't been paying attention, have you? Sure, bolt actions will be the 'standard' weapon - until players unlock the next gun. Each successive game can be looked at as a mod of the previous one, so following up from Battlefront expect no classes, added killstreaks, and map powerups. Also realize that a week into the game everyone will be using the same OP weapon.
>>29872244
>so following up from Battlefront expect no classes
They've confirmed that there will be classes, though. Including a dedicated Driver/Pilot class so people won't just steal the vehicles to get to the front and then abandon them.
>>29872229
>a fucking unstoppable behemoth shrouded in myth that spreads terror at its very sight and needs fucking artillery called in on it to stop it.
Most of the time the were stopped by shooting a machinegun at it until a bullet passed through a viewport until the Germans started issuing harder bullets that would penetrate the armor after a while.
or, you don't know shit. Tanks weren't the miracle trench-breakers movies made them out to be.
>>29872268
They weren't, no. They tended to get blown up by artillery or stuck in the mud a lot more than they broke through the trenches. But that doesn't mean they weren't fucking scary for an infantryman to see coming his way. I'd rather have them capture that feel than an accurate modeling because of how much vehicle technology has progressed. A block of steel moving at 2 mph just isn't that impressive anymore with 18-wheelers going 60 being as common as they are, so an accurate WW1 tank is just going to look silly to a modern audience.
Again, it's artistic license, not autistic license.
>>29872229
It's a machine, not a fucking Kraken. Tanks were regularly knocked out, broken down, and captured. They were slow moving and after their initial introduction methods were quickly devised to take them out. Germans were using hundreds of captured entente tanks by wars end. Tanks were not some doomsday weapon that singlehandedly ended the war like you seem to think they were.
>>29872307
>But that doesn't mean they weren't fucking scary for an infantryman to see coming his way.
Considering the environment, anything was scary to an infrantryman. It was a human meatgrinder for four years.
Germans could hear the bongs digging tunnels under their trenches and then they would get pulverized by the massive bombs sitting underneath them. At least you could see a tank.
>>29872328
And neither was a Tiger.
>>29868099
DICE is making Battlefield 1, not Visceral.
>>29872307
>But that doesn't mean they weren't fucking scary for an infantryman to see coming his way.
>DUDE, F*CKING EPIC, LAMO
Alright, I can tell you're a stupid millennial fanboy. Have fun throwing away your money AGAIN to EA as they shamelessly sodomize you. Maybe you'll learn next time, right?
>>29872360
And nobody here is talking about those, faggotron. Try and keep up.
>>29872402
>>29872402
Cant wait to see the vape clouds coming out of Mk* tanks
>>29870485
>implying it wasn't
kek anon what's it like saying the entire game sucks purley because it's not old enough for you?
>>29872402
>you don't want X, so you must be a MILLENNIAL!
Are you intentionally being retarded, or do you seriously not understand that nobody takes WW1-era tanks seriously anymore? Is your autistic brain seriously unable to comprehend the concept of artistic license?
>>29869288
>mfw nobody realises this is a suttle confirmation of singleplayer
>mfw nobody notices where practicly all be shown singleplayer
>mfw nobody realises that because the guy has a specific animation for falling over in shock of a tank, that the guy is a bot in singleplayer and not multiplayer
>>29871909
him or you
>>29872456
>mfw i forget to post the reaction photo
>>29872443
>nobody takes WW1 seriously anymore
ftfy
popular opinion on WW1 is that it was just slinging lead from trench to trench and EA is looking for another cow that isn't dried like the Gobi desert.
>>29872456
>when you don't realize that this isn't gameplay footage
>>29868276
It's already confirmed not to be alternate history with make belive stuff. It's fictional, but based in reality.
>GamesBeat: When things started leaking a bit, people were positioning this as an alternate history of World War One. Is there any alternate history to this, or is it purely historical?
>Berlin: It’s definitely rooted in history. There’s no alternate mix of anything else. All the stuff you see is equipment that was available. All the vehicles you see were available at this time.
>>29872434
It's called an analogy, cocksucker. Tiger tanks did absolute dick in the Western Theater beyond scaring the crap out of people until they called in enough firepower to kill it, but that doesn't mean they didn't still scare the crap out of people. That's the entire fucking point. Sure, tanks in WW1 didn't actually DO much to end the war. Sure, there was lots of other scary shit present in the war, gas chief among them (and we've seen a gas attack). All they're doing is making the tanks something that will make players go "HOLY SHIT KILL IT" when they see it.
>>29872510
>Tiger tanks did absolute dick in the Western Theater beyond scaring the crap out of people until they called in enough firepower to kill it
I'm no master strategist, but I think that's considered a positive effect when your enemy has to displace so much shit to kill one thing of yours.
>>29872553
Not when they're rare as fuck and expensive as fuck. The Tiger's reputation far exceeded its actual capabilities and record, at least in the West.
>>29872510
>All they're doing is making the tanks something that will make players go "HOLY SHIT KILL IT" when they see it.
even if they were that good, tanks aren't scary in any Battlefag game.
>>29872565
>>29872553
And not when you have as much artillery and air support as the Allies did.
>>29868256
imagine being in one of those rolling coffins, hotter than fucking hell, breathing exhaust, loud as a jet engine and then having someone shoot this monster at you.
FML
>>29872624
Well the shooter probably dislocated his shoulder so it's cool.
>>29872443
If you want to talk about games with 'artistic license', you can fuck off to /v/.
>nobody takes WW1-era tanks seriously anymore
Whoa, you mean nobody takes 12mm armor and 3mph tanks seriously in 2016 anymore? Good think the game is set in 1918, where -realistically equipped and portrayed- a tank would be a serious challenge to infrantry! So, the devs can either try to portray the setting realistically and make tanks dangerous that way or just buff the hell out of them and lazily make them scary by modern standards, before nerfing them when players cry about how hard they are to fight. I wonder what the masters at DICE will try and strive for?
>>29871734
>be US soilder in war, specialized in engineering
>get deployed into paris for reasons unknown
>been guarding this metro for about a week for unknown reasons, again.
>my shift is over, get to sleep finnaly
>suddenly hear gunfire and yelling as i put my rifle to my side
>fucking russains must be attacking again why are they even here
>run out of tent, see most of my squad dead except a couple of us, one guy over a russain blowtorching his neck
>mfw
>shoot him with my M4 to put the bastard out of his misery
>guy on him flips his shit, turning to me and yelling " WHAT THE FU- " before pausing mid sentence
>he stares at me in awe, pulling his balaclava down under his chin showing his face
>it's literally me
>holyfuckingniggerdickwhatamion.jpg
>" y..yo..your m- "
>bullet goes into his head and i run into cover wondering what the fuck did i just see
>start firing back against them, pick off two russains with f2000s before i see a black guy put a pair of defibrillators to a dead guys skull and he becomes jumps back to life just fine
>" what the fuck is happeni- "
>get shot in the chest, instantly loose all sensation of movement in my body
>last thing i see before i bleed out is the guy who shot me run over to me and repeatedly rub his crotch over his body before being stabbed in the throat by that nigger who has a bipod on his fucking knife
this is why we don't show are faces
>>29872652
>>start firing back against them, pick off two russains with f2000s before i see a black guy put a pair of defibrillators to a dead guys skull and he becomes jumps back to life just fine
Fuck Battlefield for making this seem normal.
>>29869438
Wrong, the protagonist is a guy name Reyes, voice by Brian Bloom, who voiced the Super Jew on Wolfenstein.
>>29872644
Unless you've got some magic bullshit to make people think like someone from 1918 or have the same experiences as someone from 1918, guess what? The metal slug is still going look pathetic. No matter how puny you make a grunt's rifle in comparison to its armor, it won't change the fact that that grunt's player has seen bigger things moving much much faster. They will not take them seriously, they will see them as a joke, and nobody will use them.
>>29872652
shit teir greentext story, fuckin kill yourself you little unfunny faggot
>>29872703
>nobody will use vehicles in a battlefield game
Alright, you clearly have no experience with any Battlefield game. I think I can safely dismiss anything else you spew as pure, speculative bullshit.
>>29872768
Does any other vehicle in Battlefield only move at TWO MILES PER HOUR, you insipid bitch?
