![Mk4%20Chinook[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/6rSBuot.jpg "Mk4%20Chinook[1].jpg")
Why do we still use these old things, and why don't they have proper countermeasures?
>>29854240
They're sufficient for troop transport, and US doctrine involves having total control of any airspace in an area of operations.
>>29854257
manpads
>>29854285
US hasn't fought anyone who had manpads yet
So they can get away with using helicopters
>>29854293
Don't we give half the Middle East manpads? How have they not been used against against us yet? Or do we just brand chinook wrecks as "lucky shot" RPG strikes
>>29854293
>US hasn't fought anyone who had manpads yet
I actually spoke with a CH-47 pilot from the CO national guard quite recently, and most variants are actually quite modern. In combat, they have multiple pods of flares and chaff, as well as self sealing tanks that can take up to a 12.7mm round, and emergency shutoff and bypass valves for all fuel tanks. Furthermore, some variants to actually equip some electronic countermeasures, though not all. A Chinook's typical operationset would not need ECMs, and their maximum payload makes them vital to transporting things such as artillery pieces, trucks, and large palettes of supplies over adverse terrain.
>>29854337
Oh yeah? Then why did one full of elite operators get shot down by a bunch of goat farmers?
>>29854240
Apparently having operators die in a Chinook crash is the government's equivalent of losing your guns in a "boating accident." Why give up such an ironclad excuse?
>>29854382
hollywood.
>>29854382
because all those fancy countermeasures and shit doesnt do much when a lucky RPG literally flys through the open rear hatch and smacks the cockpit from the inside, probably shredded the occupants, not to mention dropping the bird out of they sky
>>29854382
Flew too low.
Doesn't matter if its a tier 1 strike team or a buncha veggie omlet MREs, payload gets fucked and burns in a helo crash.
>>29854398
Source on the specifics of that hit?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_Chinook_shootdown_in_Afghanistan
What stops a glider from doing this exact mission without the hugely loud noise of chopper blades which will wake up & alert everyone in the vicinity?
Also does not require powered lift, so an RPG cannot hit any critical elements
>be opfor for [classified]
>wear turban
>durka durka
>opfor squad equipped thusly:
>bunch of guys with paratrooper-model ak-47s
>couple guys with m-60s
>me with dummy "rubber duck" style rpg simulator
>other guys fire blanks
>i'm just supposed to yell "rpg" really loud and throw detachable fake rocket
>my opfor group is ordered to ambush a bunch of troops when they emerge from an incoming helicopter that's going to land in the field we're encircling
>helicopter is a big, loud chinook
>i ask the cadre why bother ambushing them when they land
>i ask the cadre: "wouldn't a real ambush like this just involve hitting the chopper with rpg and small arms fire as it's hovering in place just before touching down?"
>cadre answers "of course that's what would really happen -- they'd just blow up the chopper with everyone aboard right before it touched down -- but we're doing it this way because, well, there's no way to train against that, so we're just gonna do it the stupid way so they get some on-the-ground ambush training."
>here comes the helicopter
>chinook thup-thup-thups into view over the clearing
>chopper just stops
>slowly descends between the trees into the clearing
>slowly
>slowly
>slowly descends
>stops like ten feet above the ground
>i line up my rpg simulator and get a nice sight picture on the chinook's ample center of mass
>i grin as I whisper to myself
>"r. p. g."
>in my mind's eye, a lance of smoke and fire leaps out from my shoulder like a hunter's falcon, smashing into the chinook's middle, folding it somewhat as it explodes, lazily spinning into the ground, and my jihadi brothers magdump into the burning wreck as they advance from the woodline
>alahu ackbar
>back to reality
>in reality, the helicopter eventually touches down
>the aft ramp slowly opens
>it eventually reaches the ground
>the first of two dozen [redacted] in full battle rattle spring out the back of the bird, one at a time, in one second intervals
>i yell "rpg" as my opfor brothers blankfire
>>29854293
>Bait: The Post
>>29854311
Stinger missiles have friend or foe recognition technology. They won't lock on to a plane that is broadcasting the correct codes. As long as the aircraft has the friend or foe system on the stinger will not lock.
Sand niggers aren't smart enough to hack them and undo the codes.
>>29854240
Fun fact! These will be in service for over a hundred years.
>>29854311
Because we don't.
>>29854434
Fucking gliders
>>29854876
I once read a story from '80s when the OP was stationed in Germany, they had an exercise where the OP's squad was armed with manpads (not sure if they were Stingers or the older one, Redeye?), they were supposed to paint passing fighters, but the OP had a better idea: when an F-104 passed and his teammate painted it, he emptied a fire-extinguisher behind the guy with the manpad, he finished the story with "I have never seen a Starfighter climbing like that"
>>29854337
I work with a guy who did a number of years as a battlefield damage assessor with Chinook.
Heard lots of stories about how these things can be stripped and repaired in-situ while the guys they drop off do their thing.
I can't say much about the USAF but I know the RAF will patch these beasts up whilst in taking fire from the enemy.
>>29854434
A helicopter has to show up to extract the team regardless. A helicopter also has an easier time landing in Afghan mountains.
Nice try, gliderfag.
>>29854397
>hollywood
>>29854406
Google Operation Red Wings
>>29854434
>gliderfag has arrived
Why do you insist on shitting up every helicopter thread when you consistently get BTFO each time?
>>29854293
>US hasn't fought anyone who had manpads yet
Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan, Iraq again, Syria etc
>So they can get away with using helicopters
Dear god, gliderfag is back.
>>29856089
? Landing and recovering gliders for extraction missions was something done repeatedly in WW2 or afterwards.
anywhere a CH-47 can land, so could a glider.
None of these "accidents" of 20+ people dying in a chopper crash would happen if we were using gliders.
>>29854382
Shit happens, it is really that simple.
>>29858529
>None of these "accidents" of 20+ people dying in a chopper crash would happen if we were using gliders.
There would be "accidents" of 20+ people dying in a glider crash.
>>29858529
>anywhere a CH-47 can land, so could a glider.
Except it can't.
Chinooks are fast, reasonably agile and can lift a quite a bit of weight.
There was once a project to mount two 105mm guns on it but that proved impractical.
>>29858529
Gliders are something you resort to when you're fighting a huge World War and resources are stretched to the point that you need something cheap and disposable to deploy non airborne troops and light equipment.
If you're not in the middle of a World War, have a fuckton of functional helicopters, the largest military in the world and the most powerful nation that has possibly ever existed up to this point in history, you don't screw around with largely disposable unpowered aircraft when your economy can shit out far more versatile and, to you, equally disposable helicopters.
>>29858666
A: budgets are finite, if one thing can do the job at a fraction of the price, then thats the way to go
B: Gliders are no more disposable than Chinooks/helicopters
C: They are massively safer as they are not engaged in powered flight, specifically vertical landing, where a RPG hitting a rotor causes a catastrophic accident.
D: Greater payload & lower costs mean you can be bringing armored ground vehicles, another force multiplier, and another thing done wrong by SEAL's.
Overall it is criminal to say "shit happens", when a chopper falls from the sky & kills everyone, since there are better ways of doing things.
>>29858627
>shithook
they were p much flying coffins until the osprey took the title away
>>29854434
GLIDERS....my ass.
>>29858529
>recovering gliders during ww2
No, they were disposable, one-use deployment vehicles made cheaply out of plywood; they would usually get fucked up crashing through trees on landing, and the jeeps inside would just smash through the nose to deploy.
There's a reason we got rid of gliders but kept helicopters (and paratroopers, for some reason).
>mfw i am an actual former paratrooper
>>29854434
>It worked in WWII so it will work now.
Please us a tripcode so everyone can ignore you.
>>29860258
They were treated as disposable because they were cheaper to build new than recover
Not because landing fucked them up, or because they could not be recover.
Choppers are a disaster, and a big part of the reason why we can't win wars.
>>29856775
Still waiting on you to name someone with MANPADS.
>>29861428
>choppers are a big part of why we can't win wars
Are you really this retarded? No, you can't be, this has to be fucking bait. Yes , I will not accept the fact that someone unironnically typed that.
I think I'm done for the day, that was just to much.
>>29862126
They cost tons, they take large amounts of manpower, they require huge fortified bases, staffed with tens of thousands of people
Can't do anything in secret when you have helicopters announcing your presence.
>>29862250
So do gliders.
What, you think they just appear at fifty thousand feet?
>>29862264
C-130's or equivalent are pretty cheap
1 plane can service multiple gliders
>>29862394
Which still begs the question, how are you going to extract your soldiers?
You know, since gliders can't take off under their own power and all.
>>29862431
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S-EFmKr7P0w
Something similar to this.
>>29862431
just ignore dude. we don't field those shitty gliders he preaches about for a reason.
They are shit and he knows it. He's just arguing for arguments sake. Next he's gonna say tanks were the downfall of our military because bicycles are cheaper and silent.
>>29862458
Good fucking luck doing that in an urban environment. Or mountains. Or literally anywhere that isn't an airfield. While also under fire.
And hey now, that C-130 can't be used to service another glider while it's towing that one.
>>29862486
Good luck using helicopters in an urban environment
see: Black hawk down
Why isn't gliderfag banned yet?
>>29854240
because they're basically CH53s, but 40 million cheaper per unit and they don't break down all the goddamn time.
if its going into a hot zone where manpads are a possibility, it usually runs in a group, with some apaches or cobras escorting the thupthups.
>>29862510
>my one specific example of a military not adapting to a new type of environment with a new type of weapon totally makes a tried and tested military vehicle obsolete.
Wake up Glider fag. Militaries want shit that let's them win. Not recreational toys.
>>29854240
They have Chaff/Flare systems.
>>29854434
gliderfag git
>>29854240
PSA anons gliderfag is here >>29854434
>>29861549
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_combat_losses_of_United_States_military_aircraft_since_the_Vietnam_War#1991_.28Operation_Desert_Shield.2FDesert_Storm.29
>February 2 – An A-10A Thunderbolt II (Serial Number : 80-0248) was shot down by an Igla-1 (SA-16) surface-to-air missile. The pilot (Captain Richard Dale Storr) was captured. He was released on March 6.[12]
>February 27 – An F-16C Fighting Falcon (Serial Number : 84-1390) was shot down by an Igla-1 (SA-16) MANPADS. The pilot (Captain William Andrews) was captured. He was released on March 6.[18]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_aviation_shootdowns_and_accidents_during_the_Iraq_War
>7 February – CH-46E Sea Knight from HMM-364 is shot down, by a shoulder-fired missile, in al-Karma, outside Fallujah, killing all 7 on board. (see picture above)[75][76][77]
>2 February – AH-64D Apache 02-5337 from A Company, 1st Battalion, 227th Aviation Regiment, 1st Air Cavalry Brigade, 1st Cavalry Division shot down by a combination of gunfire and a shoulder-fired missile, near Taji, killing the two pilots.[78][79][80]
> 20 January – A UH-60 Black Hawk from C Company, 1–131 Aviation Regiment[83] shot down by a combination of several heavy machine guns and a shoulder-fired missile north-east of Baghdad. All 12 crew and passengers on board are killed in the incident.[83][84]
>6 May – A Westland Lynx AH.7 (Royal Navy) from 847 Squadron is shot down with a SA-14 over Basra, killing five crewmen and crashing into a house.[97][98]
>27 June – An AH-64D Apache from 3–3rd Aviation Regiment is shot down by a shoulder-fired missile near Mishahda, killing the two pilots.[89][109]
>7 November – UH-60L Black Hawk . . . shot down by a MANPAD
>2 November . . . CH-47D Chinook . . . shot down with an SA-7 missile
>25 October – UH-60L Black Hawk . . . crashes and burns out after being hit by an SA-7 missile
Not even a complete list, but I think I've made my point.
>>29862586
>Implying there's only one gliderfag
:^)
>>29858627
>two 105mms on a Chinook
Why were weapons developers so cool back in the day?
>>29862464
>tanks are our downfall, use bicycles
Don't give him any more ideas. Top Keke mate.
>>29862510
really?
do you think thats repeatable?
blackhawk down was a lucky-as-fuck shot by some pirate asshole with an rpg, and we fucking learned from it.
besides, if even just one durka sprayed his AK at your shitty glider, it would make it crash.
fuck off
>>29858627
>Dear DARPA, what I want for christmas is;
>>29862665
You can tell it's one, because of how he vehemently defends it, and how the poster count at the button doesn't increase. Nice bait though, you got me.
>>29862675
It happened three times that day. Two Black Hawks went down, one limped back to base. That doesn't sound like luck to me.
An AK won't down a glider either, there's very few parts that are mission critical and fragile enough that a few 7.62 would damage them.
I'm not even gliderfag, I think gliders are fucking stupid, but these are not arguments. The biggest arguments against gliders are just how much room they need to land and take-off. You can't deploy or recover troops anywhere but a big, flat field.
>>29862675
If Russia or china were supplying these insurgents, like the US supplied the terrorists in Afghanistan, then choppers would have to almost immediately be phased out.
Unless they wanted a repeat of Vietnam with thousands of choppers show down.
>>29862723
>choppers would have to almost immediately be phased out.
holy shit WHAT
no you autistic fuck. they would just be loaded with shitloads of CMs and their SOP for missions would change.
jesus you're retarded
>>29862759
You would still be taking heavy losses, which wouldn't be acceptable in this day & age.
>>29862717
>An AK won't down a glider either, there's very few parts that are mission critical and fragile enough that a few 7.62 would damage them.
Bullshit. Let me relay to you a little story of my dad's, from the days when he used to run a glider club:
>One of the club's members (and a good pilot at that) is a German immigrant named Hans
>Hans' cousin is visiting from Germany, and is invited out to the dry lake bed with the club for a ride
>Gliders and winch are set up near the edge of the lakebed, where they can reach a nearby ridge for better lift
>There is a rifle range on the far-side of the ridge
>One by one, gliders are launched to ~2000 ft agl and go looking for lift to carry them higher
>Hans and cousin winch up and turn towards the ridge, successfully finding lift and maintaining altitude for ~20 minutes
>My dad is supervising winch ops from the ground and watching the gliders go
>Suddenly he notices one glider maneuver wildly, turn sharply towards the lake and dive aggressively
>It's Hans and his cousin
>They make a very sloppy landing a fair distance away from the winch and the other gliders
>Hans' cousin jumps out and starts running towards the winch area, screaming something unintelligible in a thick German accent
>As he gets closer, they realize he's screaming "HANS IS SHOT! HANS IS SHOT!"
>My dad in a few others jump in a car and rush over to help
>Hans has a bullet wound through the inside of his thigh
>They extract him from the cockpit, apply first aid, and load him in the car and a few take him to the hospital
>My dad stays at the lakebed and talks to the police when they arrive
>Police visit the shooting range and find two men shooting there, but they deny firing on the gliders
>Winch operations resume
>Some club members mop the blood out of the glider, push it in line for the winch and are climbing in when my dad stops them
>He pulls up the seat and finds a nearly-severed elevator cable
And that was just ONE BULLET. They were lucky to land it.
>>29862723
yeah, the soviet union did exactly that after the cia gave the muj stingers
no wait
>>29858556
this. You cant plan for every contingency
>>29862431
>gliders are one-way
>how are you going to extract your soldiers?
>implying they need extraction
VICTORY OR DEATH!
Once the glider forces have landed, they must win the battle to survive or fight their way out; fortunately, other allied forces will be advancing on their positions to reinforce them and smash the enemy between them.
>>29860180
Gliderfag hasn't responded because he can't respond
>>29862250
I've never encountered this "gliderfag" before
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Neptune's_Spear
But I already know he's terrible.
>>29862941
>military gliders are the same as civilian gliders
uh no?
>>29863118
>Picture of shit done FOR SHOW rather than for practical need
>Hurr could your glider do this?
Whats the point of responding? You pay a premium in cost, maintainance, and lives lost for this meaningless capability.
>>29863299
>Its a photo op
stop
>>29863321
http://www.snopes.com/photos/military/rooftop.asp
>The above-displayed photograph of the precarious-looking rooftop landing by a CH-47 Chinook helicopter was taken during that operation by U.S. Army Sgt. Greg Heath of the 4th Public Affairs Detachment.
It literally is
![bin_laden_compound_final[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/k3MqwHT.jpg "bin_laden_compound_final[1].jpg")
>>29863281
Looks like ample room for gliders to land, silently
One of the choppers had to be left behind because it was damaged, exposing sensitive stealth secrets.
>>29863337
>Now how many people on the planet you reckon could set the ass end of a chopper down on the roof top of a shack on a steep mountain cliff and hold it there while soldiers load wounded men in the rear?
>wounded
>photo op
I see you don't understand that people get attached to combat elements, friend.
>>29863337
hell, even if it was a photo op (which it isnt) what makes you think that couldn't be done in the shit?
>>29863389
>the photo actually captures the Chinook helicopter touching down to receive Afghan Persons Under Control (APUC) captured by members of the U.S. 10th Mountain Division.
>>29863485
Under fire? You are asking to be killed when one of those rotors loses power.
>>29863299
>Military gliders are not the same as civvie gliders
Fun fact: the military issues the Cheapest items that work. In a lot of cases, civvie gear may be better than military gear.
>>29862652
Still waiting for your imaginary MANPADS
Face the facts: powered aviation is a meme
>>29858826
I had a long drawn out response half typed. But then I saw the "SEALS are doing it wrong" bit and decided that you are, in fact, one of those nitwits who cannot admit that they are wrong and that their ideas are rubbish.
>>29862250
Ah, you do realise U.S. Army helicopter crews deploy forward and live in the field, right? Out amongst the grunts. Live in tents, fly out of cow pastures and fields and the like? Have fuel and equipment brought in by trucks or (wait for it) helicopters. Here we see some Greek AH-64s operating from an expensive highly fortified cow pasture.
Nitwit.
>>29863666
So, your magical glider would be able to hold a hover over a mountainside while taking on personnel?
they have automatic flare launchers. IR cameras detect heat flashes. launch flares and sound alarm.
nothing flies as fast, far, or high as a chinook, besides the super stallion.
Osprey doesn't count.
>>29864280
Silent
Deadly
Brings vehicles because its a superior fixed wing aircraft, so you might land further away from a target.
Doesn't rely on powered flight so its immune to manpads/HMG's
Needing to do things like hover on mountain sides is trying to work within the flaws & weaknesses of helicopters
>>29864280
Engines are the biggest mistake mankind has ever made
>>29864310
Lynx has it beat in speed and BO 105 has it beat in agility
>>29864347
both medium utility helicopters though.
A chinook can carry a lot for a helicopter that isn't a crazy soviet design. Every mission by helicopter in Afghanistan was by Chinook. Since the Blackhawks couldn't carry a useful weight up high and over distance
>>29864328
>Silent
Except for the screams of terror which are not masked by engine noise as the glider is ripped apart by the incredibly advanced Sopwith Camel with it's noisy engine and machine guns, which will be all it will take to shoot down your over sized paper airplane filled with vulnerable troops and equipment.
>Deadly
To the troops it carries to their ignominious deaths
>Brings vehicles because its a superior fixed wing aircraft, so you might land further away from a target.
And so can't go around for another pass if their's some sort of complication like a power line or trees or a truck with an 20mm anti aircraft battery mounted on the bed.
>Doesn't rely on powered flight so its immune to manpads/HMG's
And can't evade the 20mm Vulcan gun or 40mm AAA that will be chewing it to shreds as it slowly and gracefully crumples to earth.
>Needing to do things like hover on mountain sides is trying to work within the flaws & weaknesses of helicopters
Boy, have you got this ass backwards. The troops were on the mountain because they were doing this little thing the military calls a "mission" where they hunt the "enemy". It would be mighty convineint if the "enemy" would stay in nice flat open ground where they could be hunted easily and where unpowered kites could safely land. but the "enemy" has the annoying habit of going into things called "mountains" where gliders are fucking useless, but helicopters, with thier fancy "engines" and "rotary wings" can get in and out of. Maybe you should talk to these "enemy" folks and convince them to use your glider doctrine. I think we would all appreciate it.
>>29862250
We literally did a night raid on osama's compound and it went off pretty well, no US deaths.
We lost a CIA chopper, but who really knows what happened with that.
The fact is the Pakis didn't know we were there until it was too late and Osama was a pile of ground burger.
>listerine fiend strikes again
>>29863384
>literally retarded
THOSE WALLS AREN'T THERE FOR SHOW WE LANDED INSIDE OF THEM AND TORCHED THE HELICOPTER
>>29854240
Saw one of these the other day.
Was surprisingly quiet
Oh, neat. A thread about helicopters.
<take a look>
What... the hell?
![ch-467-3[1].gif](https://i.imgur.com/Bd8dlNZ.gif "ch-467-3[1].gif")
WHO
WINS
????
>>29864586
engines are a meme
>>29858627
What if we doubled the size and made a giantflying fortress helicopter?
I must see a pair of honest to god cannon being fired from a helicopter.
>>29860180
Would there be any benefit of double blades, so it has four rotors
>>29865550
Combustion is a meme.
You are posting in a listerine thread.
>>29864761
So land a bradley and drive that through the wall
Do i need to explain everything for you?
Developing military glider capability is absolutely necessary, currently they have no way of air deploying armored vehicles, outside of cargo planes into a friendly air port.
And, like I said, a bulk of the chopper missions done today could be replaced by gliders at lower costs & greater capability.
>>29865819
Air deployment is a meme
Why potentially get your stuff shot out of the sky when you could drive there in the fucking Bradley? Don't Bradley APCs have wheels and engines? Or am I sadly mistaken?
>>29865819
>So land a bradley and drive that through the wall
Now you have to get a Bradly out or you just wasted an incredibly expensive IFV.
And you cant alert Paki air defense while doing it.
>>29865892
If you drive it there you don't have to worry about anything being picked up on radar.
Deploying things via air when ground supply and deployment are options is a criminal waste of resources.
>>29865892
?
Brads cost like 3 million dollars
How much do you think that stealthhawk chopper cost, 100+ million? More?
And you recover it by driving it back onto the glider, so you can snatch it.
>>29865860
Sometimes you don't have a road somewhere, or you need the speed of air deployability to flank an enemy, the issue is that today they cannot air deploy anything other than infantry & humvees.
>>29865924
>drive it there
This is somehow an even stupider idea then the glider.
How do you get the Bradely there? We don't have any stationed nearby so you would need to ship it in, transfer it by rail then drive it the rest of the way. How this is cheaper or faster is anyone guess.
How do you keep it secret? Its a fucking IFV on a train that you then offload and drive by a Paki military base. Someone is going to notice.
How do you get it back? The Pakis are now pissed that you did a raid on their soil without asking, good luck getting your Bradley shipped back.
>>29864717
You say that like he was a difficult target.
To find yes, but once you had his location he didn't stand a chance. The radar stealth and extended NoP flight were mildly impressive though.
>>29865977
>And you recover it by driving it back onto the glider, so you can snatch it.
With what? A C-130 with the radar return of a battleship? I think that is going to get noticed.
>>29865977
Then you have to get another plane to tow the glider out. A big plane. Which will likely cost more than one helicopter and be much more vulnerable.
>>29855031
Not the ones we gave them . The real problem is their special snowflake batteries in the missile went dead eons ago, making them unguided rockets which take up a lot of space, have a tiny payload, and require nig-rigging to fire.
>>29865188
>shithook
>quiet
what?
those fuckers fly over my house in formation and rattle my windows all the time.
also, I'm the anon you talked to in the range stories thread about lizards and shit.
still looking, your info helped a bunch.
>>29866009
They had to use multiple helicopters, planes are cheaper than choppers to build or operate as well.
>>29866008
A C-130 with the engines and props deleted would have a reduced radar signature and be able to penetrate the enemy's air defence
>>29854404
>tier 1 strike team
>tier 1
Doesn't know how the tier system works.
guys I've got it, instead of gliders and helicopters we should make transport autogyros so if they lose power they can safely autorotate to the ground
>>29866174
oh yeah and in case they cannot take off again we should just fulton recover everyone and everything
>>29866185
>oh yeah and in case they cannot take off again we should just fulton recover everyone and everything
fulton recover everyone into C-130 sized stealth cargo gliders
Some of them were built from win and some, like triggers brush, will never die.
>>29866174
They say that there is nothing new...
Sometimes they're correct.
>>29854240
>Proper countermeasures
The fuck do you mean OP? CMWS is a thing.
>>29860258
>No, they were disposable, one-use deployment vehicles made cheaply out of plywood; they would usually get fucked up crashing through trees on landing, and the jeeps inside would just smash through the nose to deploy.
This.
The funniest glider in this sense was Hamilcar... the biggest one allies used. Usually carried 17pdr's, trucks, Tetrarch light tanks or universal carriers. It was also tested with Locust light tanks, but never carried 'em on actual operations. It often flipped over on landing, cockpit was above payload, resulting in pretty flat flight crew.
>There's a reason we got rid of gliders but kept helicopters (and paratroopers, for some reason).
There weren't really useful transport helicopters back then. Only light observation helicopters at very end of war. There weren't transport aircraft with rear ramps back then. Gliders were pretty much only option for heavy equipment in airborne operations.
Meanwhile in Germany... couple weeks ago.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2-Rpj8Gpw0w
>>29864216
>Here we see some Greek AH-64s
With Israeli AF markings. Picture might be from Greece as IAF pilots had exercise with Greeks.
>>29866604
Not to mention ATTRCMS or whatever the acronym is. For those who don't know what that is, it's a really neat little laser turret that locks on to an incoming missile and blinds it with all sorts of codes. It just keeps firing the codes in fractions of miliseconds, trying to find the one that makes the missile pop before it does its job.
The best way of describing it is that it is similar to chaff in flare like this... Chaff and flare hide the aircraft against the background by creating a giant gray spot where the missile has no idea where the actual target it. The jam heads effectively blind the missile, making everything gray. It's a really neat system. Blackhawks have some cool stuff on the way. Can't talk about that though.
I just remember the first time I got on one in Iraq I noticed some kind of hydrolic fluid dripping on my neck from some tube on top of the chopper.
So I grab the flight crew guy as he's walking by and say, "this shit is leaking fluid on me, I think there's a problem."
He replies, "No, thats normal, you should be worried if it isn't leaking."
>That doesn't sound right to me
It all worked out tho I guess he was right.
>>29858627
Google "Guns a Go Go chinook"
Not the same, but I don't think you'll be disappointed. Only like.. 3 or 4 were ever made. Two crashed, one I have no idea about, and the last being on display at Redstone Arsenal in Alabama just a ways into the post from gate 1.
>>29866715
No, that really is the approach in some cases. If it ain't leaking, it ain't working. The only ones that don't leak like a motherfucker are brand new and haven't been fiddle fucked by teenage maintainers and early twenties pilots.
>>29866715
For older helicopters that's the rule. If it leaks you know it's working.
Chinooks are faster than Apache.
When you have to slow down for your armoured escort....
Easy Money.
>>29866035
I don't understand the batteries. Could you explain ? I don't get the need for xeon gas and the lot.
>>29864717
B..but gliders can do it too !
>>29854382
It was a government plot. Punishment for talking about OBL raid.
Now seals shut the fuck up.
>>29866786
Time expired weapons are time expired.
Only good for range day fun.
>>29866798
This. Any time there's an "accident," or something like that where a whole group of special forces are killed, it's because they were either doing something the government didn't like, or the government was scared that they might do something they didn't like. Make it look like combat action or an accident and they die as heroes.
>>29866809
>>29866798
you guys are fucking retarded, you have no idea how much money went into training all of them and the pilots and the aircraft.
>>29865987
That was actually the point, his idea is fucking retarded but if we claim we support something equally or more retarded he'll shut the fuck up.
>>29854240
Fits 6 463L pallets.
High rotor clearance means they can be landed pretty much anywhere as long as the pilot can touch the ramp down.
Super-stable flight profile compared to other helos.
>>29867432
Money means absolutely nothing to the government, you uneducated shit.
here is an oldie that i dusted off today.
what better place to post than a thread about the ole shithook...workhorse of a nation for over 50 years.
ferrying 3 generations of my family in wartime.
>>29854285
america's biggest threat.
>>29865501
The one with a higher capacity since its a transport/cargo craft.
>>29866117
>we'll just bring in a bigger C-130 to carry it there.
>>29871685
Release at high altitude and have it glide to its destination, silent & stealthy.
>>29871716
>Globemaster
>Silent
Honestly
>>29854434
Look up how gliders did in WWII.
Great idea- not so much in reality.
>>29871801
Look up at what? They worked fine, only thing were problems that would be non-issues today, like doing night landings without night vision.
And they still are the only practical way of air dropping armored vehicles.
>>29854382
To protect president Obama's administration from the embarrassment of the truth being told.
>>29854240
>Why do we still use these old things
Because FFFUUUUUU thgats why.
Link related CH-47 in a training exercise with US Navy Special Warfare, in July 2008
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Army_CH-47_helicopter_on_July_16,_2008.jpg
>>29870700
my old man in the nam.
the sfc pointing.
the lad on the left could use a manpads/manpon.
>>29873443
Any more of daddy's in country pics almost trips??
>>29873258
>>29873318
>>29873366
>>29873443
ShitHooks were high value targets for chicoms in country. They were hero's on the peoples republic and would immediate risk all to take one out.
It's really surprising we only lost a couple hundred the whole time we were there.
>>29854240
Because they can carry a LOT of weight, and when empty the only copter faster is an osprey.
Also this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uz24kWbFxRY
>>29874837
yep
>>29874984
I love that video. It screams AMERICAFUCKYEA start to finish.
That is a massive twin rotor copter moving while it's ass is in the fucking water. Every man involved with that can fuck my wife as far as I care. This is why the US military would completely dominate anytime they get to take the gloves off.
If our military didn't have all those castrating ROE's we would absolutely and completely crush any force we could eve face. Fuck Russia and China at the same time. If we let a couple million of our men loose to kill every last motherfucker in front of them no questions asked it would be like a hot knife going through soft butter. We are the most violent gaggle of humans on the planet. Our most popular TV shows are about killing and dead bodies and we watch that shit while we eat our dinner. Think about that everyone who ain't an American. We like to watch the most gruesome shit we can while we have our family meals. You fucking sissys cry about hate speech and other PC shit while we fight for the right to be armed to the fucking teeth.
Time to watch this till it ends.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VQRiO1ihcQA
>>29875145
Post them anon. That is some primo war porn.
If your Pa is alive tell him how much respect most of us have for him please, if he has passed I'll remember him in my prayers like I try and honor all Americans who have risked their lives for us no matter what conflict they were in. Bottom line is they went there and did that.
Bravo November. Look that shit up
>>29875295
Holy shit that ship has seen a fuck ton of combat.
>>29874984
hmm.
could we mount a big set of floats to the side or on the bottom hook for that so it doesn't take on water as bad?
would be great for SAR as well.
>>29876632
When you watch that video the CH 47 id flying at sped, it has it's ass end in the water. This is a feat of engineering and I don't know why we don't have a thousand of these fucking things in operation right now.
>>29864717
settling with power. google it.
>>29876846
>>29864717
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wddpsnvu0PM
>>29876764
The CH-47F cant do this anymore due to the electronics under the floor board.It can auto hover though.
>>29864328
>>29864586
Just imagine the OBL raid carried out with gliders :)
>>29854876
Holy shit, the Army really sucks.
