Beretta 92
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I see alot of discussion and praise of Glocks, M1911's, SIG P226, CZ 75B, but almost no mentioning of the Beretta 92
Is there anything bad about these guns that makes them not popular on this board?
I like it. It looks nice. But it's italian.
>>29844592
Only thing wrong with them is the manual safety which can be replaced with a decocker.
Other than that, they're pretty good guns. They're really not too popular on /k/, you're right.
>>29844592
Its a good gun but the design is getting old others are doing the 9mm double stack better.
>>29844592
They don't fit manlets. And faggots will complain that you can't CC them, like anyone is going to CC a 4.9" barrel, full-size pistol anyway.
Other than that, no ... they are awesome.
>>29844610
I'm pretty sure you have to replace the slide to change the safety to a decocker.
And they're plenty popular on /k/, you just have to add a gay assed Resident Evil grip to it to draw the attentiin of the spergs.
Or you could just not use the safety, like non-idiots do. Put a round in chamber, decock, then turn safety off. Ready to fire if SHTF. The safety is a non-issue. Even if I was a cop, I would carry with the safety off.
>>29844631
>Or you could just not use the safety, like non-idiots do.
>Muh shiet heit duh fahn
Aww, it's retarded...
>>29844623
Not really, it's $200 worth of gunsmithing.
http://alleghenygunworks.com/index.php/services-packages
>Convert "FS" Safety to "G" Type Decock Only 185
http://wilsoncombat.com/new/custom-beretta.asp#.VysnBK21V1k
>[BER-637] Convert 92/96 FS to G Configuration De-Cocker Only, Includes Left Side Steel De-Cock Lever $150
I really like the 92 and I'll probably get one when I decide to get a handgun.
>>29844660
So is using a safety on a gun that has a 10lb double action pull for the first shot.
>>29844610
>>29844679
I personally hate the safety only because it's a decocker as well. If it were only one or the other, I'd be fine. But making the safety drop the hammer so you don't have the option to carry cocked to avoid the 12 pound pull means I won't use it as a safety. The fact it's a safety when I'll only use it as a decocker is just annoying even though it doesn't affect the function
Am I the only one on here that knows that Beretta makes the 92G from the factory?
>>29844773
Beretta makes alot of 92 models but its all about finding them a decent price.
>>29844592
short answer?
It's not a plastic fantastic.
Polymer frame handguns are the thing now, doesn't mean that metal frame aren't totally kickass though.
>>29844592
They're not cheap. /k/ is full of poorfags.
>mfw when an anon asks if the us military will ever pass on their m9's as surplus in the us market
>>29845006
Why wouldn't they? What would they gain by melting them into a liberal art students midterm?
>>29845033
>Why wouldn't they? What would they gain by melting them into a liberal art students midterm?
You have much to learn.
>>29845038
Tell me. What they should do is if they repel the military base gun ban they should just have those be the base carry gun, save a insane amount instead of buying new guns for all those soldiers.
>>29844592
This is a board where people can't afford anything but glocks and makarovs.
>>29845061
From a buisiness standpoint, Beretta would be screwing themselves in the civillian market if they were to actually do that. Flooding the market with cheap m9's would do them no good, they have a contract with the military that prohibits that from happening.
If and when m9's are starting to get phased out (lmao), they will just give them to some shitty country instead of the us market. Military surplus is a dead.
I would love the 92fs if it wasn't for that damn safety.
Anytime I perform immediate action (over the top racking the slide), I end up turning the safety on. It's not that big an issue, but why put up with it, when there are other good pistols that don't have this flaw?
A safety should never be on the slide.
>>29845101
>when there are other good pistols that don't have this flaw?
This is why I like Sigs more than any da/sa gun. I don't know why people insist on overcomplicating bullshit like this. Berettas are still cool though
>>29844592
gotta love those warning engraved into the slide, doesn't ruin the aesthetic at all...
>>29845370
Holy shit, this. A couple years back I wanted to get two 92fs, one black one stainless steel, and have their slides engraved 'reason' and 'trouble'. After I saw the god awful slide markings I decided to only get one.
>>29845434
I was dead set on picking up an m9 instead for that very reason, then I found a cz75 that was a better price and grabbed that instead
>>29844623
>you just have to add a gay assed Resident Evil grip to it to draw the attentiin of the spergs.
I resent that.
>>29845370
>>29845434
>>29845444
You realize they sell the 92F with no warning and a straight dust cover?
You could have easily picked on of those up.
>>29845434
You too? I got one in bruniton and the other in stainless for John Woo purposes.
I named them "Marcy and Bonnie" back in 2012, but didn't engrave them thankfully.
Full giggle edition.
>>29844592
Same reason I hate sigs. They differ from the norm for no reason at all, the safety/decocker placement and operation on both of said brands is all fucky. Put the safety, decocker, and slide release on the frame and in a normal, intuitive position so I don't have to relearn a manual of arms for no goddamn reason other than to own an overpriced, mediocre gun. The mere fact that they put the damn thing upside down puts it on my never-buy list.
>>29844606
>You only think I guessed wrong! That's what's so funny! I switched glasses when your back was turned! [laughs openly] You fool! You fell victim to one of the classic blunders! The most famous is "Never get involved in a land war in Asia." But only slightly less well known is this: "Never go in against a Sicilian when death is on the line!"
PT92 thoughts?
>>29845538
>They differ from the norm for no reason at all, the safety/decocker placement and operation on both of said brands is all fucky
>>29845528
>Full giggle edition.
93R is single- or burst-giggle only, dummy.
>>29845538
Glawkbabby detected.
>>29845571
I'd suck a thousand dicks...
>>29845538
tl;dr, I'm a noguns/suck dick at shooting wahh wahh mammy i need my tittymilk
>>29845538
>It's an "Anon is a whiny bitch" episode
>>29844614
This.
My friend who often gets mistaken for big foot has one. He loves it. I feel like I'm grabbing a brick.
>>29845541
Made by Beretta-trained workers on Beretta tooling under Beretta license. At least the early ones were, my PT99 was from 1987.
Finish was a little rough on the inside, but it never had any major issues. Nickel finish & hardwood grips were nice. Reliable as fuck with Mec-Gar mags.
>>29845670
Personally I prefer the Taurus over the Beretta, largely because of safety placement.
Also among vets, most people who got M9's basically got HQ element's hand-me-downs which hadn't been taken care of for who the fuck knows how long. And it's just sort of big and heavy compared to other options on the market now.
>>29845687
It's funny, because I shot the M9 for the first time in the military and made me fall in love with the pistol. Before that, I had shot some Glocks, revolvers, and a myriad of other things. But that damn Beretta. The comfort and weight felt like it was made for my hand.
I have since bought 3.
>>29845101
CZ 75 BD doesn't have that problem. The decocker is on the frame, completely out of the way, and you have to send it through the whole range of motion to decock the gun
>>29845101
>Anytime I perform immediate action (over the top racking the slide), I end up turning the safety on.
This blows my fucking mind. I've been handling and shooting Berettas for years, and never once have I experienced this "problem" of engaging the safety.
>>29844614
I recently met a little Chinese chick that carries a 92 FS... but in her purse.
>>29845704
Personally, I hate carrying it, but I love shooting it. Even those beat up ones, after a little bit of TLC, worked just fine. Damn thing's just too fucking big.
But then again, I also wear XS gloves...
>>29845773
Yeah, it's beneficial to have larger hands for the 92. I actually EDC a 92FS Compact.
>>29845721
The only time it happened was when I purposefully grabbed the safety and used it to rack the slide while pressing downwards. I usually feel for the serrations then rack it. Maybe in a stressful situation it could happen.
>>29845687
The weight and size make it a good target pistol. I've never had an issue CCing it, but I've also carried a 1911, USP45 and a Glock 21.
>>29845813
>>29845773
Get 92fs slim grips.
I've been told they're comfy as fuck for people with small hands.
Me being 6'8, I wish I could actually make my gun bigger. I'll find out how big is too big though in about two months. Found a local gun range/store near me that has two .50 African Eliminator Desert Eagles for rent.
Going to go buy 50 rounds of .50AE and make /k/ proud.
>>29845450
I knew that'd get your attention
>>29845969
What can I say?
If there's a Beretta thread on /k/, I'm always close by.
>>29845813
>>29845872
I ended up filing and stippling the grips. But it's still big.
>>29845832
I used to carry a P226, then went to a full size M&P, and now I'm on a shield. Mostly shifting down in size because I don't need to dress like I'm concealing a gun to conceal it.
>>29844592
I like mine
They have a class of their own
>>29844592
I have nothing against them, and being that I am a large man, I can actually CC it just fine. She is also fun as hell to shoot, but I will admit, glawk-hawks do have pretty good weapons as well. Offhand, anyone know a good website to buy a replacement guide rod and trigger (steel) for a 92FS?
>>29844592
A lot of people bitch because they don't want to put out the cash for one, but they are pretty nice guns. They'll shoot straight and run tough, but they do not like to be run dry. Love mine, but they are a bit thick for a carry piece. Also ignore the decocker whining, most people that say shit about the safety decocker have literally never used the gun.
>>29844614
I actually do carry mine concealed occasionally. Usually I OC my M9 but every once in a while I'll CC it.
Honestly the main reason I don't CC it much is because the muzzle likes to jab me right in the ass and it's uncomfortable, not because it is hard to conceal.
>>29844592
Very large, heavy, and expensive for a 9mm based on basic ww2 designs.
Myself and others usually hate it for it's slide mounted safety, trigger, and size. It's bigger and less ergonomic than a 1911 while having no variety in purchase options. There are better smaller lighter cheaper 9mms.
Baretta 92 basically exists for military full-size full steel pistol contracts.
The ones we have in the army are very up there on the most unfun pistols ive ever had to shoot or carry.
>>29846603
they're not every expensive guns. i see them on my armslist for ~500$, hell my 92s was only 280.
>>29846745
I know, but you always gonna have people bitching.
>Beretta heavy
Its 10 oz more than a glock
>>29846840
It would be like clipping 2 apples to your glock for no purpose but to add weight.
>>29846977
>no purpose but to add weight
and provide snacks
>>29847069
Apple Glawk superior to 92 confirmed.
Are Chiappa's 92 good n
>>29845129
yea sigs are sweet
they're both good range toys, but a glock with a trigger job is better carry
>>29846418
>Offhand, anyone know a good website to buy a replacement guide rod and trigger (steel) for a 92FS?
The official Beretta website has both of those things, but they're the OEM parts. You could always opt for Wilson Combat's short reach trigger.
>>29847171
While your in there get the D main spring and and a wolff tcu
>>29844736
You hope it's 10lbs, more like 12-16.
Small arms maintenence bros in the military know this to be true.
>>29844834
I'm pretty sure the FS, G, and D(if they still make it) are all the same price. At least my G was the same price as the FS and M9 next to it
I have a Wilson Combat 92G with trigger job from Wilson. It is a really nice smooth gun. I have medium size hands and I would not want bigger grips. The action is very smooth and the trigger is better than a Sig Legion.
>>29847315
You the guy with the 2 legions?
>>29844679
You could have at least posted the pictures
>>29847503
That's not a 92G conversion, Anon. That's a custom frame safety built onto a 92D slide. WAAAAAAAY more expensive than $200.
>>29844773
They made single stacks too but nobody knows shot about berettas outside of the FS line.
>>29845571
You can literally make it FA with a rubber band.
I like the m9, kind of a big grip but to me it feels comfortable when shooting
>>29845670
Thats kinda old info.
The more recent guns reportedly are doing so well, presumably due to tired machinery. I've only handled three of the older ones and they were all good shooters
>>29845635
Goddamn that's beautiful. I would do unspeakable things for that gun...
>>29847578
DUDE
>>29847578
>airsoft
>>29846653
>Myself and others usually hate it for
Personal inability to understand the slide mounted safety
>trigger
Thats vague as fuck
>size. It's bigger and less ergonomic than a 1911 while having no variety in purchase options.
Ergos are a bit subjective and a bit curious to see you outline the details.
92fs,96, 98, G, D,DS, GS-D, Vertec, Brigadier, Elite, Elite IA, Elite II, Centurian, Steel, Combat, billinium, Stock, CB, Type M, compact L, target, centennial, M9, M9a1, 90-two, 92/96A1, 92A3 and arguably the 9000s.
As for the weight, go ahead an compare it to other full size metal framed pistols then go be a faggot elsewhere.
>>29847698
Wew. That combat series, though.
They sure fetch a pretty penny.
>>29846840
7 if you go with the more appropriately comparable centurian and a CCF block frame, which doesn't account for grips or internal metal vs poly components and a wildly different firing system. Apples and oranges as usual.
>>29847520
Oh I know what it is. I was more commenting on Allegheny than the G.
$120 if you have your own levers, which is the expensive part if you steel or billinium levers.
>>29847735
Sure ass hell do. Depending on what you want specifically you could damn near build a comp gun a bit cheaper.
I wish Beretta would just do a HK style o-ring or maybe a belled barrel
>>29847840
>>29847840
>Depending on what you want specifically you could damn near build a comp gun a bit cheaper.
Absolutely. I saw a 96 Combat going for $3500 on the Beretta forums a while back.
>>29847895
Jeezus. I guess to be for though, people pay that for 1911s all the time.
I love that place. I would never know a 10mm Beretta exists of not for Beretta forums.
I fucking built them for three months, total garbage quality, I will never own one
>>29848027
Kek.
We're gonna need more details, hothead. Or I'm inclined to not believe you.
>>29848027
Your mom tried to built something for 9 and it didn't turn out nearly as well.
>>29847503
>SAO
Disgusting.
>>29848027
>>29848053
OH SHI--
Get #rekt anon.
>>29848053
>>29848038
I worked there last year as a temp to help them close down their Maryland factory.
Specifically on the barrel line, the tooling is stretched ~25% past its expected lifetime, not barrels do not actually fall within straightness tolerances. All the locking blocks are filed by hand in some way leading to imperfections, the lathes for the rough and finish turning are run without coolant except for on one step leading to the barrels getting much hotter than they should.
One time the production floor manager decided to lower the feed rate on the lathes to 50% just because they were out producing the next stage in the line, and I'm not sure if you know anything about CNCmachining but all the spindle speeds and feed rates are calculated based on material being cut, the type of cutter, ect. So it destroyed the tool life and left those parts from the time while that was happening horribly far out of tolerances.
>>29848294
I don't know what to tell you, man.
I don't know how much some of that stuff affects the overall product. I'm not entirely versed in the fine machining aspects of barrels, but I can see where the overheating can be a problem. I'm not sure what the impact of hand filing the locking blocks are, either.
I believe you, but all I can say is that I own 3 Berettas, two of which are Beretta USA products. All 3 are damn fine firearms that all produce similar results.
>>29848526
For me personally it's more just the fact that things could be done right, and they just aren't, the little things like not staying within the specified tolerances even though doing so wouldn't have slowed production at all, I'm sure they produce fine firearms in the end, I just can't believe so since I've seen the behind the scene we of it
>>29844592
This is why
>>29848553
I know what you mean. The "don't meet your heroes" syndrome.
But it does make you wonder what other companies cut corners behind the scenes.
>>29848566
Roll pins bother me too.
Solid pin or bust.
yes. same Dork,
>>29848570
I don't think I'll get another job manufacturing firearms just so I can maintain the illusion desu
>>29848053
oo killem
>>29848574
Fuck you. Roll pins work just fine.
Stop being an elitist cunt.
>>29847171
Wow that is fucking nice.
>>29848566
I don't mind it personally. It turns the firing pin down at an angle which I found to be a nice safety feature.
>>29848885
Thanks.
-The trigger pull is ass
-People buy them because of movies/TV/video games/the fact that the military uses them, not on actual merits of the gun itself
-they are outdated with only select models even having sight dovetails to change sights out
-most guns are safety+decocker instead of just decocker and on top of that the controls for these are in a terrible location; a complaint is that when people manipulate the slide they engage the safety, with decocker models you can't accidentally put the gun on safe but the decocker location is still dumb
-expensive
-the model that has all the logical improvements is in limited circulation and supposedly a limited run (but they keep making them) sold by Wilson combat. It is $1200 fucking dollars and it is a completely Beretta made gun so $1200 for a factory model with the features that should be on all the guns. You also better like the vicker sights (I don't) and the grips (I think the color is shit) or be prepared to drop another $200 on your factory beretta
>>29844592
It's reliable. It works. That's all my praise for it.
The trigger reach from DA is very long, and hard to do comfortably with smaller hands. This is the main reason why I don't own one. The decocker doubles as a safety, and the safety must be flipped up to fire, which is an annoyance to someone who has primarily trained with other guns that are mostly the opposite (down to fire), more ergonomic (having the safety closer to the hand), or else don't have safeties at all (most DA/SA pistols don't have them). The slide-mounted safety can also be engaged accidentally while clearing the weapon, causing problems when you really need the gun. It's an extremely large handgun, so it doesn't have a huge amount of utility among civilians. The standard 92fs design lacks an accessory rail, which modern consumers demand.
Yes, there are variants that solve some of these issues. For example, the 92G has a decocker only, 92A1 has an accessory rail, and the soon-to-be-released 92A3 has a shorter trigger reach and accessory rail. Assuming that the 92A3 will be offered in, or convertible to, a "G" variant, it solves most of my complaints, but it's still a very large pistol (reduced utility for civilians, re: CC) with a slide-mounted control (you could still decock the hammer accidentially while clearing a malfunction).
>>29848952
>The trigger pull is ass
I personally never minded the factory DA/SA. And it can be remedied with less than $30 from Wolff.
>People buy them because of movies/TV/video games/the fact that the military uses them, not on actual merits of the gun itself
You say this like it hasn't been this way forever. Besides, it's not always the case. I knew of Berettas before I joined the military, but I never shot one until then. I fell in love with the pistols.
> they are outdated with only select models even having sight dovetails to change sights out
This is a legitimate gripe. Having to send the pistol in to swap out the sights sucks. Thankfully, they are starting to change this.
>most guns are safety+decocker instead of just decocker and on top of that the controls for these are in a terrible location; a complaint is that when people manipulate the slide they engage the safety, with decocker models you can't accidentally put the gun on safe but the decocker location is still dumb
This is a common thing I hear that carries little weight. I'm pretty sure people just repeat what they hear online without any experience with the pistol. So long as you don't have actual manlet hands, manipulating the safety isn't a problem. Also, I can use the safety as a fucking racking wing and not engage the thing. You have to try to engage the safety while racking it.
>expensive
Situational. I can find mint 92s on GB for $400. Wilson Combat is pretty spendy, but they are nice pistols and there is clearly a market for them, so I have no problem with them.
>>29845450
>I resent that.
>I may be a sperg but my feelings still matter
cringe
>>29844614
People do CC them, I know two people (not personally but internet friends) who CC them, not to mention the beretta 92 compact is around the size of a G19 and looks pretty easy to conceal
>>29849279
>cringe
Back to /reddit/ you dumb nigger.
I actually love them, I plan to buy a 92 compact for my first pistol
>>29849242
>This is a common thing I hear that carries little weight. I'm pretty sure people just repeat what they hear online without any experience with the pistol. So long as you don't have actual manlet hands, manipulating the safety isn't a problem. Also, I can use the safety as a fucking racking wing and not engage the thing. You have to try to engage the safety while racking it.
Fine motor skills go out the window under stress.
if I wasn't cursed with manlet hands, I'd had jump on one, the gun felt very well built. But everything was tad bit out of reach.
>>29849772
I guess. But that's why practice makes perfect.
If you practice enough, that muscle memory kicks in and you don't have any problems.
>>29849843
>cursed with manlet hands
That's okay, anon. People with small hands can still achieve great things.
>>29848566
Because it was asked for and people keep buying them. Not that complicated.
>>29849931
I'd still rather have a pistol with a battery of arms that doesn't make it so easy to accidentally engage the safety.
>>29849045
>The standard 92fs design lacks an accessory rail, which modern consumers demand.
Which isn't an issue considering railed versions are commonly available and there are still plenty of people that don't like or don't need rails.
Also you completely missed the vertec G and you may as well combine the trigger reach/small hands thing into one point. Which is remedied with the vertec and 90-two grips before you even get into short triggers
>>29849772
>Fine motor skills go out the window under stress.
Thank God racking a 92 properly doesn't require fine motor skills. People just have different techniques and some refuse to adjust
>>29844614
>like anyone is going to CC a 4.9" barrel, full-size pistol anyway.
I do
>>29844592
i got one, and its INOX stainless, i love it.
I fondle it daily, much like my dick.
>>29844614
> not CCing a full size pistol
Bet you have sex with dudes.
>>29844592
It's a great pistol, especially for the price. The only thing a lot of people have against it is the 30~ year old ones used by the army that are poorly maintained.
But they're great guns dude.
It's a double stack p38 with a heavier slide
>>29844749
>drop safety
>pull back hammer manually
??????
>>29845748
>I recently met a little Chinese chick that carries a 92 FS
Y-you met Revy?
>>29852629
Sexy m8
>>29850168
>short triggers
This, I have trump hands and all it took to make the Beretta comfortable was the SRT.
![hkSONY756[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/z8cJLSq.jpg "hkSONY756[1].jpg")
It's actually the best 9x19mm pistol you can buy, in my opinion.
I haven't read through the whole thread yet, but I'm not seeing any mention of the px4. I personally think that while it will never replace the 92, it feels like an upgrade. Lighter, more calibers, less felt recoil, different sizes, cheaper, ect. ect.
Why not 92a1?
>>29845101
You're stupid and a liar. That's someyhing that happens if you "power stroke" it, which nobody does because if you do the gigantic open slide design will bite your hand. It will happen, if it happens once you wont do it again. Its a made up problem. Something that could go wrong, kust like you could get a dud primer on any round.
tl;dr Pistol is fine.
I love my 92FS. Super easy to shoot, comfy, gorgeous to boot.
>>29846648
>I actually do carry mine concealed occasionally. Usually I OC my M9 but every once in a while I'll CC it.
>Honestly the main reason I don't CC it much is because the muzzle likes to jab me right in the ass and it's uncomfortable, not because it is hard to conceal.
So you admit they are unreasonable for EVERYDAY conceal-carry and that is the reason you only do it on occasion? Thanks for proving my point.
>>29846745
Yeah 92s, S dumbass a beat surplus pistol with special snowflake heel mag release and magazines.
The cheapest they have been in years is 500$ new at least, used come on now that depends on too many things.
>>29847212
Maybe when the gun is brand new with no rounds down the pipe, angryfaggot.
>>29849302
Way to be the faggot that argues the exception and not the rule.
>>29853918
>Why not 92a1?
Because FS has the combat trigger guard and no ugly rail.
>>29844592
Excellent design, in durability and reliability, I was a small arms repairer in the Army, and when you see a 30 year old gun issued to grunts still work, it builds a kind of confidence in you for the design and manufacturer.
>>29844610
What this anon said, the 92G is the shit.
>>29856241
meant to say still work as buttery smooth as a new one in a store, with a minimal number of parts needing to be replaced.
The Beretta 92FS is not manlet compatible, most first generation immigrant spawn occupying air in the USA are manlets, therefore they do not like what their little girl hands cannot handle.
It scares black people and makes my job easier. Ask me anything
>>29845538
Autism.
>>29856250
See, I was thinking of getting a police trade-in, then if parts fail or something, replace it with Wilson combat stuff
>>29844592
great pistol OP.
action is superb.
get one.
i would recommend in a heartbeat.
>>29845541
Have it, love it, carry it as my backup fun.
>>29845540
INCONCEIVABLE
>>29856283
what job
>>29859113
armed security
>>29846745
Where did you order from? I've thought about getting one from SOG, but the ordering process seems weird.
>>29844834
I got a new 92G for $475 about six months ago.
>>29856276
>first generation immigrants not liking berettas
Il Italia would like to have a word with you
I'm going to try to buy a 92g or a 92 fs. Ignoring the decocker, any reason to pick one over the other? The price is just so nice on the 92fs police trade ins
>>29861768
Not really. They're practically identical.
Personally, I wouldn't wait for a type G if there's a good price on a regular type F. The circle jerk around the G is usually comes from people with fat fingers or just don't want to put in the time to train with the gun properly. Realistically, you could carry an F with the safety off and achieve same results as the G.
>>29845635
Their is a dude in Florida that owns one. It might be the only transferable 93 in the states. And he has, on occasion, let internet weirdos from gun fag forums come over and shoot it.
So warm up those dick sucking lips
>>29844592
They have always appealed to me visually for some reason. Would love to shoot one.
>>29849302
>>29849322
Im am torn about getting a compact. It doesn't seem worth it for the size loss and loosing only a few bullets
I also consider getting a cougar
>>29863456
Ayyy
Liked my 8000 better than my 8045 mini. Mostly because it basically requires the ext so wtf is the point. Now it's about the same size as a p250
>>29845083
Interesting thanks anon
>>29845773
Donald pls go
>>29844592
I've got to say I did want one in satten nickel
>>29856283
What sort of armed security? Big city, small town, night watch, personal protection?
Any good stories?
what about the 90two for bitch hands?
>>29844592
because it replaced the glorious 1911 as a service pistol and everyone who had one and used it fucking hated it, and then they got out and spread the word and now nobody likes them
here are some negatives:
1) cant change sights, because they are milled from the slide
2) safety/decocker is on slide where you rack, easy to accidentally engage during loading/clearing malfunctions
3) size and weight for 9mm
other than those, its pretty decent/reliable gun. theres better 9 mills though
>>29866261
>easy to accidentally engage
Only if you are being stupid about it.
>>29866116
Oh ive got plenty of Stupid Dindu stories, like just last week two decided to start shooting at eachother over a fucking coke
>>29866261
>easy to accidentally engage
Yeah, if you have fucking Parkinson's.
Bet you won't use a gun without a manual safety because "muh manual of arms"
Loved the Beretta, always have... I grew up getting half chubs to Bruce Willis movies and loved Die-Hard... I mean what kids of the 90s doesn't love the Beretta and Glock the two iconic 90s movie guns.
That being said, I have never owned one. I went the route of custom 1911s (Wilson, Les Baer, Colt's upper end stuff and Barsto modified production Colts).
I had toyed with getting a Beretta and sending it off to Barsto as I had shot a 92 that was done up by them and was very impressed, night/day difference.
Than this happened.... Last week I shot the WILSON COMBAT 92G Compact.....
Its over boys... Unless you are sending your Beretta into Wilson, you own a turd.
Now before you guys attack me, just realize I mean that in a flattering way. The Beretta has so much fucking untapped potential and all it needs is some work and some new parts.
I am going to be honest, the difference between a shit 1911 and a good one is only obvious to those that know 1911s, its actually pretty marginal from a tactile perspective when compared to the difference I felt between the Wilson Beretta product and an out the box factory one. It seriously is huge!
>>29866240
If you like the look and are OK with having shit for grip selection sure. Otherwise a vertec or paying up for the A3 gets you a better deal
>>29845504
>dust cover
you mean the slide?
>>29868245
Nope.
>>29868037
Should be noted as well that the Beretta products sold by WC are in the end cheaper than trying to modify your own Beretta.
A complete Beretta from WC is around $1100 out the door and fairly easy to come by.
With a new hand fitted BARSTO barrel and one of their accurize packages you are looking at 500-1000 over the original price of a Beretta. Same probably true for most custom shops.
>>29845540
A HAHAHAHA A HAHAHA HAHA *thump*
>>29847212
My 92a1 tested with a fish scale was 9 and a half.
>>29845370
It really doesn't
>>29868873
That means you have a D spring in it. Stock trigger pull is around 12.
>>29845872
I found some thick wood grips to put on mine. Made it so much nicer for my monster hands.
>>29868926
>>29868926
Dont feel like a 12lb pull. I'd liken it more to 8 or 9lb pull. However once the hammer is back it clicks right along
>>29850130
Except its really not. Not that guy but that has never happened to me in my 5000 rounds with 92a1. Just try not sucking.
>>29850130
>accidentally engage the safety.
How the good golly fuck did you even do that? Even our WORST service M9s wouldnt do that. are you trying to shoot with your fucking feet or something?
>>29868926
It varies a couple of pounds. Sometimes the difference in trigger weight is due to the instruments which most people don't ever calibrate or use a fish scale or newton meter that's not really set up for measuring trigger weights.
>>29869064
The faggots complaining about this are used to racking glocks and refuse to try any different techniques that interfere with what they're used to
AKA whiney babies
>>29869021
>>29869064
>>accidentally engage the safety.
>How the good golly fuck did you even do that?
There are common reports of it happening in live combat in the Army. Just because you shot 5000 rounds at an air-conditioned shooting range at your own leisure does not mean that it can't happen to other people, or even you,.
>>29869334
Good thing I'm not retarded and carry with one in the pipe.
>Oh no I hit the safety what will I ever do now?!?
> flip
> Oh that was easy.
>>29869334
>Just because you shot 5000 rounds at an air-conditioned shooting range at your own leisure does not mean that it can't happen to other people, or even you,.
Try combat environments, hero. Ive also done time trials in winter and summer, and not once did i ever "accidently flip the saftey", even while wearing thick gloves. This is GLOCKENADE tier tomfuckery that i will not stand for. If you are too fucking souped that you cant even wrack the fucking slide without hamfisting it like some kind of inbred, you should stick to a nice airsoft pistol.
>Since theyre made for children like you.
>>29869377
We're talking about clearing malfunctions in the heat of real, attested gunfights. Not drawing your gun and operating the controls in your mind.
>>29869394
>combat environments
That's a neat way of saying "playing around in the woods," but of specifically avoiding having to tell us that you've never had real combat experience.
>>29866768
no, i have no problem with a manual safety. but a shit tier gun design that puts the safety right behind the part of the slide you grip to rack and reload is just retarded. the taurus beretta clone is superior because they were smart enough to put the safety on the frame instead of copying this design flaw
>>29869411
> malfunction
> still just have to flip the safety back with the flick of your thumb.
Try harder glockfag.
>>29869441
>> still just have to flip the safety back with the flick of your thumb.
Except then you're already dead because the half second of fiddling with your weapon and losing focus was all that the enemy soldier needed to kill you first.
>>29869424
> taurus clone is superior
> says every poorfag ever
>>29869448
i dont even own the taurus, i have a beretta m9a1. im just stating the obvious
>>29869411
>That's a neat way of saying "playing around in the woods," but of specifically avoiding having to tell us that you've never had real combat experience.
Live fire exercises while moving and engaging targets is a combat environment, dont go poopooing on my experience when you probably lacked the balls to even join. Trying to link shoddily trained troops to the m9 saftey? Laughable. Troops have been known to plug their fucking m4 magazines in the wrong way and then SPORT the weapon to clear a non-existant malfunction. Are you implying all magazines should be double ended? Of course not, you just stop being a fucking shitter and train with your god damn weapon system. Its not a hard concept you armchair babby
>>29869476
>Live fire exercises while moving and engaging targets is a combat environment
Your targets were shooting back at you trying to kill you?
Didn't think so.
>>29869411
I can literally, in the actual sense of the word, rack the slide of most pistols including the M9/92 using the palm and web of my hand. Anybody that has trouble not saving the damn gun every time they touch it is failing to do the very simple task of putting their thumb and fingers under the levers. And before you start with your fine motor bullshit it's extremely easy. The problems arise from people that try to use every firearm in the exact same way.
There was a guy here arguing that "if you actually trained you would know it was a huge problem" yet training itself is the solution
>>29869334
Also I am offended you think I shoot indoors. Outdoors is best doors. Also it's my TAPS competition gun.
>>29869446
Except that's not really how it happens. If it was that much of a life or death situation and your poorly maintained gun jams your already dead.
Carry with one in the pipe, you don't have to rack if it doesn't jam. Guess what happens when you go empty. The slide locks back. New mag goes in. Slide is released. Never have to rack.
But please do keep telling me about your easily avoided "problem" that is easily remedied, that plagues our US armed forces.
>>29869485
We used sim rounds as well you child. POORLY trained troops cause weapon MISUSE. Which is explains why you and other shit boxes ham fist the slide of the M9 and somehow, someway, flick the saftey
>>29869424
>the taurus beretta clone is superior because they were smart enough to put the safety on the frame
Beretta put the safety there. It was a Beretta factory, the original guns had them and there we're mil/police forces that wanted it mounted on the slide.look at a 92S, 93R, Combat etc
>>29869521
>>29869529
>I am offended!!
I know you are. You tried to boast your way through the conversation by putting other people down and misrepresenting your own breadth of knowledge. I called you out on your pure bullshit and lies, and you realized you were wrong. Who wouldn't be offended? Oh, right! A person with any sense of humility or honor.
Open your eyes and wake up to yourself, you dumb nigger.
>>29869424
>shit tier gun design that puts the safety right behind the part of the slide you grip to rack and reload is just retarded.
I agree that it's counter-intuitive, but in practice if you still somehow trip the safety when racking the slide, you haven't put any time or effort in training with the gun.
>>29869571
> resorting to name calling.
The last act of a desperate man.
And only offended by the indoors notion. Not your stupidity.
>>29869571
You best be fucking kidding me.
>>29852073
You do know he's a big guys right?
I swear to god if i could make a gif on my phone i would. If you are SO SO SCARED of flipping the god damn saftey PUT YOUR FUCKING HAND LIKE THIS AND RACK IT.
>>29869507
>rack the slide of most pistols including the M9/92 using the palm and web of my hand.
Did you grow up on a farm/ranch or something? That sounds painful.
Also, I'm pretty sure the weapon manual tells you not to do it that way.
>>29869596
>>29869597
Also posts were 14 sec apart if you couldn't comprehend more that you quoted 2 different people.
I think berettas are very pretty. I own a glock since I think they're objectively more functional.
>>29869596
I call 'em like I see 'em.
>>29869666
Which posts? >>29869521
>13:08:36 No.29869521
>>29869529
>13:09:40 No.29869529
These were almost exactly 1 minute apart, and the second post was short and said "as well." Why should anyone think that that's two people? As for >>29869597, there's no reason to believe that he's been involved in the conversation at all yet.
>>29869757
>here's no reason to believe that he's been involved in the conversation at all yet.
Im the one ACTUALLY posting pictures of the 92fs you fucking ape.
>>29869757
Okay i see it's no point arguing with you.
I meant
>>29869597 which I'm assuming was the guy talking about combat training ect
>>29869596 me who posted>>29869521
Good luck with that gernade. If you come uo with a rational argument do let me know.
>>29869795
And you participated in the conversation in question where....? Point to your posts.
>>29869795
Just leave him be 92 bro.
>>29869795
>>29869624
I figured out how theyre decocking the saftey, and holy fuck is it dumb, even then its fucking DUMBER to get it to work. You have to tightly grip like this with your fucking hand completely covering the saftey while it is engaged. then you have to rack it hard as fuck and whip your hand with a flourish into your shoulder to get the hardest rack possible and only then will it go into safe. I.E you have to do some dramatic hollywood horseshit and flourish your hands WHILE holding it in a stupidly fashionable way JUST to get the saftey to click, and it only happened 2/5 times because i wasnt racking it hard enough to get the saftey to engage.
>tl:dr the malfunction is caused by user error and lack of training with the weapon system, and only happened 2/5 times
>>29869885
> newer jeep
> 92fs
> tan pants
I like your style bro.
>>29869885
No, that's not correct. While racking the slide of a Beretta, either an overhand grip or a slingshot grip can cause the safety to engage. All that's required is for your hand to slip slightly downward during or previous to the rearward motion. It's something that's very easy to do, and it can and DOES happen during live combat in the Army.
Maybe if you are just playing commando in the wilderness with your buddies, your state of mind will always be calm enough to remember to grip the slide correctly, but when there's a feral jihadi bearing down on you, screaming allahu akbar at the top of his lungs while swinging a scimitar like he's trying to kill invisible bees in the air, maybe, just maybe, your supreme calmness of mind and oneness with the universe will waver, if just for an instant, and your own hand will slip, engaging the safety in your panic, raising the gun up, trying to remove the kebab in front of you, only to discover that your trigger, like your life a half a second following the realization, is completely dead.
>>29844614
>>29844614
I CC mine sometimes AIWB with a galco holster. Works fine though not ideal if you are going to be sitting down....
>>29869973
You talk alot about combat for someone who's never been out of the safety of his mom's basement.
So your rifle failed, squad is dead, no round chambered, and your important enough to be given a side arm.
You can stop repeating yourself. We don't care.
Slide mounted safety fucking sucks.
Other than that, it felt like a solid, well made gun.
IMHO, it's a little TOO BIG for its caliber. Some of the 45 ACP guns are the same fucking size as a 92FS. Why would you need that size bulkiness for a 9mm handgun?
>>29844592
ergonomics are terrible, thats it
>>29869973
>Maybe if you are just playing commando in the wilderness with your buddies, your state of mind will always be calm enough to remember to grip the slide correctly, but when there's a feral jihadi bearing down on you, screaming allahu akbar at the top of his lungs while swinging a scimitar like he's trying to kill invisible bees in the air, maybe, just maybe, your supreme calmness of mind and oneness with the universe will waver, if just for an instant, and your own hand will slip, engaging the safety in your panic, raising the gun up, trying to remove the kebab in front of you, only to discover that your trigger, like your life a half a second following the realization, is completely dead.
My god you must be the most idiotic /k/ommando on tbis board. you completely disregard proper training and muscle memory gained from doing said training and knowing your weapon system. This malfunction is caused by IMPROPER handling and IMPROPER operation of the weapon system, and thats all there is to it. You literally have to use it WRONG in order to cause this malfunction and an IMPROPERLY trained soldier would IMPROPERLY load and IMPROPERLY rack the slide. Jesus
>>29869994
Feels fine for me sitting down, but i have it in a cross draw for retention
>>29869994
pic related, my 92FS
if you get one get a few extendoos, they are cool.
>>29844592
The biggest negatives are as follows:
>Hard to conceal even the compacts
>They fit large hands great. Small hands not so much.
>Slide safety
>That LONG, HEAVY double-action trigger every first shot
BUT.
I fucking love it. This gun is so fucking comfortable. This is my first handgun and I have nothing to regret.
Don't even listen to faggots complaining about capacity. Mec-Gar makes great aftermarket 20-round magazines for them.
>>29870055
Are those hornady critical defense rounds?
>>29870041
mine is thumb break, snap retention. Love the versatility of the holster, sits vertically so it works best for appendix but will work in almost any position from 11-4oclock IWB
pic related, before I put these grips on it>>29870046
>>29870015
>Why would you need that size bulkiness for a 9mm handgun?
>>29870004
I'll agree that neither of us have combat experience, since I do have some degree of humility. But does that matter? Does a medical researcher need to have contracted or treated an Ebola victim himself to come up with a vaccine?
The problem I'm talking about is well-attested by soldiers who have seen live combat. A quick Google search can give any number of examples showing that it's a real probably, not a "non-issue," as you keep arguing.
>>29870055
Get yourself some 147gr +p hst.
>>29870055
mec-gar barely qualifies as aftermarket since they make the OEM magazines as well.
>>29869973
Or maybe you could be the kind of soldier that takes weapons training seriously, and spends time practicing weapon manipulations so your natural tendency is to disengage the safety naturally when needed.
Or better yet, you could be a smart motherfucker and carry it with a round chambered like you're fucking supposed to outside the wire, so if/when that feral fucking hadji is bearing down on you, you draw it and disengage the safety with your thumb without thinking about it.
>>29870109
But glocks are like totally better man. My friends dad had a glock once that he let me look at and it didn't even have a safety.
I bought her big sister, the 96, for my first handgun.
And just recently bought a Rock Island 1911 in 10mm for days I don't want to be Short & Weak.
>>29870121
This, man. The only thing better than a Glock is a Deagle-brand Deagle.
>>29870097
>The problem I'm talking about is well-attested by soldiers who have seen live combat. A quick Google search can give any number of examples showing that it's a real probably, not a "non-issue," as you keep arguing.
Every fucking malfunction is a probability you dolt. You could pick up a brand new ruger and it could chatter apart with the first round. The slide saftey is an issue caused by misuse and improper handling. Also take your stupid ass off the cross, everyone knew you didnt have combat experience and i never said i did. Soldiers have also been known to load ammo belts upside down and ghost fire a .50cal like a Mk19. Stop pretending that fucking google is streuth
>>29870109
>>29870031
Yeah, we get it. You're smarter and better at weapons handling than everyone in the Army, ever. It's a very boring and stupid thing to claim on the internet, so if you don't mind, please stop repeating yourself.
>>29870076
>Are those hornady critical defense rounds?
Yes
>>29870098
I have Critical Duty as well.
>>29870163
>>29870197
Aaaayyyeee
>>29870158
>Every fucking malfunction is a probability you dolt. You could pick up a brand new ruger and it could chatter apart with the first round.
Right.
>The slide saftey is an issue caused by misuse and improper handling.
Wrong.
The issue is caused by a flawed design. To prove this, compare the possible types of malfunctions with a gun that has a slide-mounted decocker/safety against a gun that lacks one. What does a normal person find? That only guns like the Beretta are susceptible to this kind of malfunction. Glocks are not. 1911's are not. Sigs are not. Hi Powers are not. It's a very, very easy concept for most of us to understand, but you seem to be having a lot of trouble with it.
>everyone knew you didnt have combat experience and i never said i did.
>and i never said i did.
Oh, fucking really??????
>>29869394
>[in response to me implying that you only shoot at ranges]
>Try combat environments, hero. Ive also done time trials in winter and summer,
>>29869476
>[in response to this exact statement: "you've never had real combat experience."]
>Live fire exercises while moving and engaging targets is a combat environment, dont go poopooing on my experience when you probably lacked the balls to even join.
>>29870218
>Anon says a combat enviroment
>Naysayer thinks this means he said he was in combat
>>29870158
It's okay. He's just not he just has no confidence in himself.
> not carrying chambered cause Hurr I might ND
> me or my gun will always fail.
> my rifle will break.
> my armor will fail
> my squad is unworthy of my trust.
>>29870218
>The issue is caused by a flawed design. To prove this, compare the possible types of malfunctions with a gun that has a slide-mounted decocker/safety against a gun that lacks one.
Like pulling it out of the holster and plugging yourself in the foot/leg due to lack of a safety? Go do a quick youtube search, i'll wait
>>29870230
>tell someone directly, to his face, that he has no combat experience
>he responds by saying "Yes, I do have experience in a combat environment"
If he didn't mean that as a direct answer to my direct claim, then why would he have said it like that? Logic holds that he thought it to be a relevant response to mine, meaning that he thought that his statement was a logical complement to mine, and going by the tone and direction of the conversation, the logical complement in this case would be a contradiction. It would get us nowhere if I assumed from the get-go that he's insane or that all of his statements are irrational. If we're having a conversation, I'm compelled to assume that there is some sort of reasoning that gives rise to what he's saying.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cooperative_principle
>>29870243
When did I say that Glocks were flawless? Quote the post where I said this.
I'll wait.
>>29845033
>>29845038
>1911 has been decommissioned FOR DECADES
>literally costs millions per year to maintain stockpile
>even with cmp majority of surplus will never be released
>>29870212
>>29870197
Yall are doing it wrong.
Hornady is quality stuff but HSTs can't be beat. Also costs less per round when you buy the 50 round box.
>>29870300
>>literally costs millions per year to maintain stockpile
...How does it cost that much just to leave some rusty guns in warehouses?
I like mine but prefer my Jericho.
