>the best round for concealed carry is the one YOU feel most comfortable shooting with. As long as you can reliably hit the offenders center off mass, then getting shot is getting shot which is bad no matter what caliber is used. This renders the 9mm vs. .45 argument moot.
>>29820626
So you're saying I can carry some thing that is a 22 short?
>>29820626
It's true most of the time though. Not many people are dedicated enough to keep coming for you after getting hit with even .32. If you got caught fucking a crackhead's wife, then maybe dial it up a notch.
9mm vs .45 is very nearly moot for all contexts except actual warzone combat.
>a 10mm is basically a .44mag
>>29820665
not really
45 > 9mm becuase of the larger wound vectors
>>29820830
Let's shoot you with a 9mm and a .45 and see which one makes you want to run away more.
>>29820626
For me it's always more about capacity and reliability.
Dumping 6+ rounds in someone center mass is going to have the same effect no matter the round. Like really what's the point of 9mm vs .45 when a glock 19 has a 15+ capacity?
>>29820919
>>29820889
>these people actually exist
>"getting shot it getting shot durrr"
>being this fedora about guns
>>29820999
Check'd
>administrative gun handling
>weapon "platform"
>press checks
>"if you can't get the job done in 5/6/7/n rounds, then you shouldn't be carrying."
>revolvers never jam
>feeling "comfortable" with some gun, based on literally nothing
>>29822098
What's honestly wrong with being comfortable with a weapon? The best gun will always be the one you're best with.
Also, Nothing wrong with people carrying less than 7 rounds on their carry piece. Not everyone needs 17 rounds to defend themselves
>>29820830
He isn't saying that .45 = 9mm.
He's saying that for sure .45 > 9mm.
But that it's not RADICALLY larger than, so it's not a RADICALLY big difference.
Which I'm pretty sure all of us agree on nowadays.
>>29822116
>What's honestly wrong with being comfortable with a weapon? The best gun will always be the one you're best with.
Read the second part. If you can shoot itgreat, that's one thing. I'm mostly talking about people who go with a .45 caliber CCW just because of their feelings.
>>29822155
But I carry .45 because I'm more comfortable and familiar shooting it. What's wrong with that? I've used both 9mm and .45 and I always come back to .45
Besides, .45 super STRONK
>>29820999
>shoot some guy 6 times
>"bro is this 45?"
>gun choice is all a matter of personal preference/ there are no objective measures of firearm performance
>7 degrees of difference in the angle of the grip makes all the difference
>I've shot 10,000/20,000/a bazillion rounds through my gun
>my gun has never jammed
>>29820626
Is this the /k/ version of frogposting? I ask because it's just as retarded.
>>29822116
Well, I carry revolver for CCW, if the comming at me can take five shots of .38 +P Penetrators and or if he has multiple friends and I put two bullets shots each into two of them and say there are more than two guys charging ne after hearing and seeong two of their friends get two penetrator each, then the last bulket is for myself.
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FBI statistcs show that in most CCW shootings only two rounds are expended to stop the tgret and if there are multiple attackers most of them all run away when the first attacker is shot.
>>29822176
Honestly you just sound butthurt someone thinks their pistol is better than yours.
>>29822155
Are you saying comfort is bad, because I find the dull thud like recoil of a 1911 comfortable.
>>29822200
I know more than you do.
>>29822173
>did you just shoot me with 9mm? Bro you fucking pleb why didn't you use .45
>>29820830
So 9>.223?
>>29822098
Have you ever seen a revolver jam?
>>29822176
What if you're a competition shooter and do actually put thousands of rounds through a gun?
I'm getting into CAS and when I get my pistol license I will buy a couple of New Vaqueros and they will probably last me my lifetime and will be shot nearly every weekend. Might actually end up putting a good few thousand through them over their life.
>>29822214
Mossin nugget volvers jam all day.
>>29820626
Bait
>you should treat the gun as if it's always loaded
>guns are not toys
>I went to a gun safety class
>>29822214
Yes.
>>29822226
If my aunt had balls, she'd be my uncle.
>>29822098
Press checks seriously who does this crap? If your that concerned get a gun with a load chamber indicator
>>29822249
I am not sure on what you mean there anon, enlighten me please.
>>29822239
Guns arent toys, their tools.
>>29822239
>you shouldn't carry without a permit
>>29822239
is this funposting? gun noob here and i was wondering if i should pay the $250 for the classes
>>29822277
Only if you're literally a female or the kind of guy that needs to call a handyman to fix things, otherwise it's pretty simple to not shoot yourself or someone else accidentally.
>>29822277
Here in New Zealand we have to take a safety course to get a gun license.
Thank fuck it's short, easy and free.
>>29822277
>and i was wondering if i should pay the $250 for the classes
No. Sit down, do your research on your local statutes and laws, spend a day or two watching Massad Ayoob videos on youtube regarding self defense and spend that money on ammo and practice.
I'm getting my carry permit in a few weeks and I didn't spend $100 for a class, fuck that shit. I took a free hunter's safety course. I don't need to spend over $100 in order to prove someone I'm not a retard when it comes to firearms safety.
One of my army buddie told me .380 can't penetrate a normal spring coat.
>>29822264
I mean that you are not a competition shooter, and you probably won't put 20,000 rounds through all your guns combined in your lifetime.
>>29820830
>wound vectors
ride your broomstick out of here you faggot
>>29822193
>FBI statistcs show that in most CCW shootings only two rounds are expended to stop the tgret and if there are multiple attackers most of them all run away when the first attacker is shot.
Link those "FBI statistics"
>you can't
I know.
>>29822312
But anon, I am literally getting into CAS between me and the missus we put 2-300 rounds down range from the same couple firearms in the last two visits. That could go on for a while.
I get why it's retarded to say I put 20k rounds through this gun but what I meant is that it is probably feasible that it could happen to the odd person. I know of two of the fellas in our CAS club that make 5k rounds of .38 special and .45 ACP each year.
>>29820670
Everytime I hear this I legitimately cringe.
Maybe the .44 mag of the semi auto world, but on par? No, gtfo idiot.
>>29822364
>>29820670
It is about a 41 mag iirc
>>29822206
anon got dub trips, you got fail.
>>29822226
>Might actually end up putting a good few thousand through them over their life.
Whatever quints fail. >29822222
I can put a few thousand round through a handgun in a good month. What are you one of those bench rest fudds popping off a round every 21 minutes?
>>29822249
Um.. your aunt does have balls, just ask your mom.
>>29822273
Why can't they be both anon?
>>29822307
That's why you use +p loads. But the .380 is for small handed people who need to get real good with it for defense.
>>29820650
I actually would if it wasn't inherently unreliable as a round.
>>29822320
>Link those "FBI statistics"
Are you saying that if 4 guys are mugging me and I shoot two of them the other two are going to stand and fight?
You're probably one of those tards who say the sound of a pump shotgun being cycled won;t scare a burglar off either. Fucking 13 year olds repeating shit they saw online.
>>29822222
>>29822273
Neither are ATV's which kill shitloads of people and are fun. No one cries when you call your babykiller450 A toy.
>.22 will bounce in the skull
REEEEEEEEEEEEE
>>29822512
Hmm, have not read this. Might have to look into that. Ive always figured the 10mm was closer to a factory 357 in power.
>>29822644
But it will, shit Back when cops only fired hard all their .38 spacial would bounce off the heads of the blacks. Go ask an old cop about this. I remember hear stories from Chicago cops about breaking knightstcks on their heads all the time.
>>29820626
If you don't carry a .50 Auto Express SMG why bother you fucking peasant?
>"IF YOU DON'T CARRY A GLOCK 19 WITH THREE BACKUP MAGS, YOU'RE JUST WAITING TO GET KILLED BY A GROUP OF NIGGERS"
>>29822320
Not same anon, but this is true in the vast majority of instances. Once shots are fired, most niglets scatter like cockroaches when you turn the lights on. Anyone who has lived in a city of 500,000 plus in a ghetto can attest to this.
>>29822705
He means bounce around inside the skull,
>>29822745
It does that as well.
Everything you seen posted about how the projectile has been known to move around is true. I'm not talking about the trolls but how it can hit you in the gut and come out your neck stuff. Spinning around inside a skull is a thing.
>>29820830
>what is kinetic energy
>>29820626
That's literally true.
>>29822214
Yes, badly.
