Novice shooter here. I'm thinking about getting a smith & Wesson M&P 40. What do you think about trigger safeties VS thumb safeties? I own a sig which has no safety and it's one less thing is have to worry about in the event of an emergency so I see the appeal of a trigger safety I guess. But I hear it fucks with a trigger pull. What are your thoughts /k/?
>>29796944
The thumb safety is a redundancy in this kind of handgun. If it was a DA/SA handgun, you might want it to carry cocked and locked, but on a striker-fired gun like the M&P, it's just another thing to prevent you from firing the gun when you might need to fire it to save your life.
IF you're a safety Sally, go ahead and buy it, but train with it. If you know how to use your brain, it's a useless vestigial device.
>>29796944
>I'm thinking about getting a smith & Wesson M&P 40
Terrible choice
>>29796998
i also wouldnt get one in 40, but i guess im just bias against the caliber in general.
i went out of my way to find one without a thumb safety.
>>29796998
How so?
>>29796944
>M&P in .40
>no
>manual safety M&P
F U C K
N O
Get pic
>>29796998
>>29797011
.40 is a good choice, you can drop in a 9mm barrel and a 357sig barrel and have 3 calibers in 1 gun.
OP, thumb safeties add an aspect of training that you'll have to deal with. If you find you don't like it, you can remove it from the gun and drop in plastic plugs. Its just a matter of training either way.
>>29797020
Not a fan of 9mm
>>29797034
>.40 is a good choice, you can drop in a 9mm barrel and a 357sig barrel and have 3 calibers in 1 gun.
When will this meme end?
>I"m going to fuck around paying $200 in spare bullshit parts so I can buy more expensive calibers for no reason!
Life isn't a fucking fallout game. And don't give me that "9mm isn't'valableinwallmurt" bullshit.
>>29797034
Yeah that's one of the biggest sellers for me. It's decently versatile caliber wise
Don't buy a plastic gun :P
>>29797037
why? .40 is going to be just as snappy if not worse, with less capacity and more expensive ammo with negligible benefits
>>29796944
>40
You chose...poorly.
>>29797043
I know calling something that doesn't appeal to your autism a "meme" is the popular thing to do, but it doesn't negate what I said. 2 aftermarket barrels, and 9mm mags and it can shoot 3 calibers. If thats what some people call fun, then I don't see it as a negative for the M&P 40 line.
I wouldn't bother with getting one with a manual safety. You'll likely find that you never use it. As long as you're good about following the basic safety rules you won't need it.
Also, .40 S&W is a fine caliber, don't listen to these assholes.
Friendly reminder that if you are
>buying a .40 handgun that wasn't build specifically to house .40
>buying .40 for some preconcieved notion that 9mm isn't a capable bullet
You are being a cuck
>>29797068
It's "cool" that it can shoot three calipers, but that serves no real-world purpose. You would be shooting 9mm most of the time because of the cost alone. 40 also puts more wear and tear on the gun since it's overpressure. Unless you're going to be doing ballistics gel tests for fun, there's no reason not to just stick with 9mm.
>>29797093
But you get to shoot .357 sig, .40 and 9mm!
YOU GET TO SHOOT .357 SIG, .40 AND 9MM!
T H R E E
C A L I B E R S
.40fags are so fucking delusional. They literally dickride .40 for being .40 yet when told to give any legitimate reasons as to why they use it, they tell you because you can not-shoot .40.
Oh well, such is the life of a poorfag that bought a a janky ass $310 glock 22/23 police trade in for his first gun.
>>29797091
M&Ps were designed from the get go for .40 because Smith is and was going after the LEO handgun market hard and at the time when they came out in not to mention it is a round they came up with. Some of the early M&Ps that had issues were the 9mm models. The .40s and .45s have always been solid pistols.
That being said if he were interested in DA/SA the USP would be a fine choice as well.
>>29797034
>I can buy a gun in a bad caliber and convert it to another bad caliber for $200
Wow how fucking smart
>>29797011
>>29797018
M&P trigger is fucking trash
M&P aftermarket is trash
.40 is trash
M&P in .40 is nearly the worst pistol configuration I could think of.
>>29797129
You can shoot 40 when the next gunscare makes 9mm hard to find. You can shoot a snowflake caliber (357sig) if that makes your dick hard. You can shoot 40 when you realize you're not a complete poorfag worrying about a few cents per round. You can rustle the jimmys of fags on /k/ when you say you shoot 40 S&W.
All 3 calibers perform similarly on gel tests, I only suggested to OP he buy the 40 version for caliber conversions and added fun which got a lot of you to shit your pants. God forbid a gun be capable of doing more than its original design.
OP, get the 40, buy a S&W factory 9mm barrel for $60 and a 9mm mag for $30. Shoot both calibers and call people on /k/ faggots.
>>29797196
Sounds like a game plan
>>29797196
>justifying buying a .40 pistol because you can shoot things other than .40
Here we have the average .40 user, incapable of understanding why they bought a .40
>All 3 calibers perform similarly on gel tests
Seems like the one with the best capacity would be the clear choice
>>29797196
>You can shoot 40 when the next gunscare makes 9mm hard to find.
Case and fucking point >>29797043
No legitimate reason as to why .40 is better performance wise, you only have stupid shit like le trollin /k/ by wasting YOUR MONIES XDD
Maybe you can buy your 9mm in bulk online so you don't have to worry about "scares" like a massive loser. Probably the type of faggot that loiters at gunshops moaning about Hillary or Obama or whatever other political nonsense.
>>29797129
You sound like one of those guys who says "why do people who like fish try so hard to make fish not taste.... .....FISHY!!!"
In other words you have a hard time understanding why someone might happen to like something that you don't.
>>29797216
>>29797217
great job supporting my point of /k/ getting its dick bent out of shape by someone shooting .40S&W. Get hurt, it makes be smile.
>>29797259
>"Look guise, I'm eating shit and there's nothing you can do about it hahahahahahahahaha!!"
>>29797259
>beat to shit table
>squirt gun trigger
>.40
You can try to rationalize your poor decisions by claiming you bought it to make people upset but it wont make the gun any better. Sell your car and buy a 98 civic because it makes people upset.
>>29796998
>Don't get an M&P .40
>Provides long list of reasons why
Never change /k/.
>>29797269
What if they made a medication for autism?
>>29797283
>Only defense is bantz
Then .40S&W would probably dry up as a caliber
>>29797283
They do, it's called .40 S&W
>>29797282
Maybe you should read the thread you nigger or better yet, lurk since this same thread has existed multiple times.
>>29797293
My defense is a perfectly acceptable cartridge that steams /k/lams. Don't mind the next presidential election gun shortage, I'll just keep shooting my "meme cartridge" while you make threads on /k/ about the 9mm shortage.
>>29797279
or maybe not everybody who likes .40 is poor. Also maybe people who like .40 can have multiple guns in multiple calibers.
>>29797317
>muh elecshun season
It has become so apparent that the average .40 user lacks a very crucial part of their brain.
The only reason anyone should ever own a .40 is to shoot competition but you seem like the poorfag that buys his clothes from wallyworld so that's out of the question.
>>29797303
Reasons so far...
>it's a meme caliber
>the internet doesn't like it, so I don't like it
>trading caravans won't stock .40 when the bombs drop
>my wrists need vagisil when I shoot .40
The M&P in .40 is a solid choice. The trigger on the M&P is literally the worst, but that's why I got an aftermarket trigger. Did the same with my Glock. The M&P is cheap too, and I can always find .40 at Walmart.
>>29797317
>Don't mind the next presidential election gun shortage, I'll just keep shooting my "meme cartridge" while you make threads on /k/ about the 9mm shortage.
>not stockpiling in advance
>not having connections to get any caliber
Just because you listened to the guy at gander mountain who told you to buy the .40 doesnt make it a good gun friendo
>>29797339
>police trade in USP
>Squirt gun
>refinished hipower
Come back when you have any tax stamps or prebans.
>>29797377
>police trade in
Wrong.
>refinished
Wrong again faggot. That's just what I had in my liquor cabinet (in my ski cabin).
>>29797365
Yeah that's what I hear a lot. The trigger is awful. I fully intend on buying an after marker trigger if I do go through with the M&P in .40
>>29797402
The trigger is not as bad as people make it out to be, but the apex is still worth the money, big time.
>>29797410
Truth
>>29797410
They list their .40's on the smith & Wesson as 6.5lb or 10pb trigger pull which is nuts. Apex was definitely on the shopping list
>>29797390
>no tax stamps
>no prebans
Keep on making poor choices and I will keep on feeling good
>>29797402
>buying an aftermarket trigger for a gun you havent purchased
How about you buy a better gun in the first place?
>>29797444
>paying the federal government $200 to own a rifle with 1.75" lopped off
How's you let wife's kid doing these days?
>>29797434
6.5-10lbs is average for a duty pistol trigger.
>>29797487
Well fuck me, shows how much I really know.
>>29797481
>complains about poorfags
>Cries in broken english over $200
>paying income taxes
How's tyrones new donk these days? Hows that gender studies scholarship treating you?
>>29797497
The standard apex trigger is 4.5-5 (though they do have heavier and lighter options). The bigges difference I think is where the apex trigger breaks, as well as the smoothness of the pull.
>>29797504
Here's one last (you). Just cause you're trying so hard.
>>29797497
>>29797487
>6.5-10lbs is average for a duty pistol trigger.
No it isnt. The average glock pulls at 5.5lb out of the box. 6.5-10 is double action territory
>>29797532
>The bigges difference I think is where the apex trigger breaks, as well as the smoothness of the pull.
First stage is nice and light and smooth, sets against the second stage, then breaks cleanly. Stock trigger is just gritty with lots of creep. Sometimes you can feel the plastic flex too, which is kind of weird.
>>29797548
At last you finally convinced me of the values of .40S&W.
>>29796944
Get it in 9mm or .45
Don't go for .40
>>29797764
Why is that?
>>29796944
Well your going to get shit for shooting .40 S&W but honestly if you have experience with .40 S&W and know how it is then you have nothing to fear.
I had no choice when I was in during the 1990's and glock 23 was or standard issue side arm so...I can shoot it with no problem.
So once again unless you've practiced at least 200 rounds of .40 and know what to expect then fine a Smith & Wesson M&P is purpose built for it so your in good hands.
>>29797827
Well I don't have a great deal of experience with the other popular calibers either. I like .45 but I mean it is a heavy round. And I liked .40 so I'll just do my homework I guess. Nothing set in stone yet.
>>29797279
Sorry Anon, that table is not beat to Shit haha
