Australia is to be the first country allowed to buy AIM-120D AMRAAMs.
A lot of news coming out of Australia, what's the go. Them Penguins out of Antartica stirring their commie shit up again?
http://www.janes.com/article/59797/australia-cleared-to-acquire-aim-120d
>>29753174
well we are buying 72 f-35bs...
makes sense to give (sell) us the new missiles to go with them. Plus the US loves doing things here that upsets the chinks i.e. sell us the newest missiles.
Cant really sell them to the EU as all the relevant countries there has the superior Meteor.
Its nice to see the AIM-120D exported tho.
What's the difference physically and on the inside?
>>29753317
F-35As; Bs are the STOVL jets.
>>29753866
Partly software, partly upgrades to the radar / avionics.
>>29754312
I'd reckon they've made improvements to the motor as well, I'm seeing claims that the max range has gone from 57nmi to 97nmi. That would make for a decent improvement in the max useful range envelopes for sure. Also keeps our technological lead against indonesia since they're getting AIM-120Cs for their F-16 bl32s now.
Is there any high res pictures of the D? I couldn't find one with some cursory searches.
Is it integrated on all of America's fighters?
>>29754473
Who cares about the Indonesians, they're shifting all their shit north to face China.
They're moving their F-16s and Flankers to the Natuna islands in the South China Sea.
We got to watch out for the Kiwis and Penguins. God help us if they combined their military might.
>>29753174
>Buying obsolete shit
>Not buying based MDBA Meteor instead
>>29754616
How long would it take and who would actually fund integration with the Super Hornet and F-35?
Same reason they're going with 9X instead of ASRAAM that they're using for the classic Hornets despite liking the ASRAAM better.
>>29754473
Motor is the same.
Range improvements on the D model are due to lofting profile.
>>29754658
Meteor is getting integrated into the F-35 anyway
>>29754582
We will come for you convicts when the time is right
But seriously, please keep the chinks and Indonesians at bay.
>>29754616
let us know when it goes into service
meanwhile smart countries are sticking to tried and proven weapons
Hthe last few governments have been flip floppy but the one thing they have all agreed on is securing Australia. Australia can't rely on the USA any more, the only use for subs is to sink enemy troop transports as they attempt to land in the NT, subs are our best deterrant adgainst a Chinese invasion. Also America has been on our back to rebuild our military might in Asia Pacific to counter the Chinese in the South China Sea, Australia is the only nation where it would be logistically possible to launch a counter attack on the Chinese if they continue to expand.
>>29754708
>Tried and proven weapons
>Like the Lockmart Boondoggle Extreme Edition
http://breakingdefense.com/2016/04/mccain-lays-down-law-on-f-35-bulk-buy-kendall-says-it-works/
>>29754582
>Is it integrated on all of America's fighters?
Nope
>>29754658
Meteor integration is already happening with Block 4 of the F-35; ASRAAM will already be integrated onto the F-35 with Block 3F.
Also AIM-9X Block II is generally regarded as better; Block II+ should be even betterer.
>the only use for subs is to sink enemy troop transports as they attempt to land in the NT
lol no; that's part of their uses, but their biggest ones are to spy on activities to the North.
>>29754727
>not using subs to fuck with enemy destroyers/frigates
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d8Kv4rqR6RQ
>>29753174
Good.
Australia is bro tier. They alone make ANZUS worthwhile since NZ turned out to be nothing but pussies.
>>29754616
Is Meteor EVER going to get out of development?
>>29755386
Is the F-35 EVER going to get out of development?
>>29755415
Being that it is in service, yes.
In reality, the metor is compareable to the AIM-120D. Yes, it is a massive improvement to the current AIM euro forces use, but thats an AIM-120B. The AIM-120D is three times better than the B, which is the design goals for the metor.
THAT SAID, the AIM-120D is the pinnacle of its line. Its about as much as you get out of it, but the metor has tons of room for growth.
>>29753174
>buying a missile that has half the range of Meteor while still being slower.
>>29755386
>>29754708
It was integrated in 2012 and entered service with the RAF in 2015.
>>29753866
>What's the difference physically and on the inside?
>The AIM-120D (P3I Phase 4, formerly known as AIM-120C-8) is a development of the AIM-120C with a two-way data link, more accurate navigation using a GPS-enhanced IMU, an expanded no-escape envelope, improved HOBS (High-Angle Off-Boresight) capability, and a 50% increase in range.
![297[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/hXPoCqc.jpg "297[1].jpg")
>>29754745
>>29755503
>THAT SAID, the AIM-120D is the pinnacle of its line. Its about as much as you get out of it,
Hardly.
What kind of offbore and minimum range do Meteors have?
>>29755415
But it's in service, so yes?
>>29755503
The Meteor is also attractive for them because it's a eurozone product.
>>29755677
What upgrades to it would you suggest without a complete redesign of the engine and geometry?
>>29754473
>>29754582
The TNI-AU is the most powerful air force in the region, superior to Australia, ROK and Singapore and equal to the JASDF
>>29755737
With all 16 of those Su-27s / Su-30s and 13 F-16s? I'm quaking in my boots.
>>29755758
Indonesia is taking delivery of the Su-35. Except for China and the US, there isn't an air force in the Asia-Pacific that is more advanced.
>>29755804
Also, unlike Australia, Indonesia is capable of running its own fifth generation fighter program instead of begging for barely functional Lockmart table scraps
the geopolitic in this region has changed significantly in the last 10 years and .. no body can't stop this ... Please also don't acting like UK did 100 years ago .. Australia now is not same with UK 100 years ago ...
I know that it is hard and difficult to accept this new reality ... However ... like or dislike .. you have to accept this fact.. It will be be better if you can cooperate with your jiran (Malaysia and Indonesia) to secure and develop this region for all ... not only Australia ... please also change your existing minds that your jiran are your "enemies" and will steal your wealth ..
My suggestion ... as an island in this archipelago ... don't think that you can control and own all archipelago as you dit it for a long time ...
>>29755804
>>29755833
>Su-35
>Superior
>Indonesia able to beat the combined technological prowess of all of NATO
The delusion is real.
>>29755843
>F-22 shooped with canards, delta wing, and stabilizers/TVNs removed
topkek
>>29755695
>unsourced claims on Wikipedia.
I guess according to Wikipedia this isn't an RAF typhoon. And It's definitely not part of QRA at RAF Coningsby. And it most certainly isn't carrying Meteor.
Or maybe the RAF website stating that the missile is entering service starting in 2015 through to 2016?
http://www.raf.mod.uk/equipment/meteor.cfm
Also hilariously that Wikipedia page states: "It is scheduled to enter service for with the RAF and with the Swedish Air Force in 2015, possibly with the SwAF as the first operator of the missile due to most testing having been done on the JAS-39.[8]"
Which is a sourced claim, as opposed to your pathetic attempt.
>>29755702
Absolutely, and why the US wont get it as anything other than an interm missle (and even then, the 120D is good enough still the next gen amraam)
>>29755685
This is an interesting question, CAN you boresight a metor?
Its a niche application for sure, and might be 2 secrit 4 u, but it would be interesting to know.
>>29755685
Not publicly available.
>>29755909
>clean loadout with a single missile
Sure looks like testing/eval to me.
>>29755954
2 ASRAAM and 2 Meteor is hardly clean.
This is the test aircraft for Meteor / storm shadow / brimstone
>>29755954
>Clean
So you're blind, then
>>29755289
>pwns
now there's a term I haven't seen in a while
>>29755843
add some more periods I don't think you had enough.
>>29756805
Autism manifests in many different ways, anon
>>29755843
Why always the shitholes wannabe wurld supah powah rawr "design" their shit blending whatever usa does plus european and some ruskie shit just to end with inferior products and less respect?
>>29754582
>Who cares about the Indonesians, they're shifting all their shit north to face China.
No they are not. You're also forgetting about their poor relations with Malaysia and Papua New Guinea.
>They're moving their F-16s and Flankers to the Natuna islands in the South China Sea.
Just F-16's as far as I've heard, and only 6 of them.
It's a political ploy to look like the government is responding to the Indonesian public, yet one look at their recent political and economic deals with China shows that Indonesia is staunchly neutral.
>>29755503
>Being that it is in service, yes.
12 of the F-35B's have IOC.
And the Meteor is in service.
>>29758536
Because if a major nation always relies on other nations for weapons, you're up shit creek in a war.
>>29758628
>Indonesia
>Major
>>29753174
ramping up for the 2nd Emu War
Meteor is not in service.
But then neither is AIM-120D.
They're both in the stage of "in production, but not fully in service yet."
And no, just because an aircraft has carried it for test flights does not mean it's "in service", for either case. The ability to carry and even test launch =/= full combat enabled for whole squadrons for such complex weapons.
It's disappointing to see Australia is moving away from the awesome combo of ASRAAM and Meteor, especially given the latter's amazing synergy with stealthy aircraft to go rapehappy with that massive NEZ it has. But 120D and 9X are excellent missiles, right up there too and a great boost for some great allies.
>>29759441
Meteor is not in service.
>>29755909
>>29759478
Then show a single definitive news report of it entering service with the RAF or a single quote from the RAF stating it is now in service, not a clearly out of date assumption about "when" it will be in service.
Go on, show a single one for the RAF that states "It is NOW in service." Show us the Government release for it, which they always do.
Or you could be using flimsy as fuck evidence based on "interpretation" a sentence. Meanwhile, I'll give you some definitive proof. Meteor for Typhoon is only going to be enabled for the squadrons in the P2E upgrade, which contains the software to actually USE the missile.
http://www.janes.com/article/53302/typhoon-p2e-upgrade-trials-to-begin-shortly
P2E won't even finish its trials until 2017. Which matches the current in service date of Meteor, which is end of 2017. Until then it's still AIM-120.
"Assuming that the flight trials are successful, the P2E configuration should be ready for fielding before the end of 2017."
Direct quote from a Typhoon test pilot.
>>29755909
>QRA
Thats 17 Squadron you blind fuck.
They never did QRA. They were the test flight group that was eventually disbanded and reformed to test the F-35B in 2013.
So basically your image is old as fuck and represents a test flight from at very latest 2013 April, which would have been an inactive missile in that photo, because Meteor hadn't been fired from a Typhoon yet by that year.
So basically, you're talking a load of horseshit.
>>29759441
Didn't the AIM-120D enter service in 2014?
>>29759681
Huh, seems so. Just did a hunt on it. It's in IOC, so essentially it's right at the edge of it.
http://www.naval-technology.com/news/newsus-navy-achieves-ioc-on-raytheons-aim-120d-amraam-missile-4551297
April, 2015.
I wonder if that was why the Aussies picked it. While Meteor enters in 2017 for Typhoon, it will be a lot later than that for F-35. Probably AFTER when Australia will have its first F-35's in service, and it likely wants something to go from an earlier point. (Given AIM-120D doesn't seem to be on F-35 yet either, but will likely go on first)
It all makes more sense now.
>>29759724
You can always upgrade the f35 to support a Meteor at a later date i suppose, maybe even a future Block "something", and stay with the -120D untill then.
>>29759755
Well, it's coming in Block 4, so it won't be TOO long out. But yes, nothing to stop a changeover, although it's a lot of money to change when really, 120D is already quite good enough as is. Meteor has its own unique traits sure, but it all comes down to money in the end.
Still, it's awesome seeing Australia starting to go proper defence again, same as other countries like the UK and Poland are starting to do again now, France too if they push a little more.
Why would anyone buy AMRAAM when Meteor is better or on par in every singe way that I can think of?
Guess some people like 90's nostalgia.
>INDONESIA STRONK posters
holy kek is this real life
t. australian
>>29759812
As the posters above are discussing, AIM-120D is still an extremely good missile and will be ready long before Meteor on platforms these customers are buying. They want something NOW. Not in a few years time.
Meteor is looking to be fucking god tier, but it's not ready yet. Budgets can't just wait.
>>29759828
The missile is ready and has been for some time. its just integration into platforms that's taking time.
>AIM-120D
Kek.
Still an AIM-120 series. One that the USAF Pacific Commander himselves said that is decidedly inferior to the Chinese PL-15 and its 'incredible range and capabilities'.
http://www.popsci.com/chinese-air-to-air-missile-hits-targets-spooks-usaf-general
So question about the missile actually firing.
Since the missile is released from the jet and drops a few feet before the motor fires (as opposed to a sidewinder firing right off the rails) is it not able to fire this missile while upside down or in a negative g maneuver? Would it have to wait till the jet is flying level to release?
>>29759940
>+3.25 Yuan
>>29759958
You don't usually fire while in either of those states. You pretty much avoid the latter as much as possible.
>>29759940
He also specifically referred to wanting a new AMRAAM. Couldn't possibly be partly wanting to get a larger budget or anything.
>>29759940
So, basically the USAF Cmd said that the Sino-Meteor is better than the AMRAAM-D.
GEEE WHO WOULD HAVE GUESSED THAT A METEOR STYLED AAM WOULD BE BETTER?
>>29755953
>>29755943
>>29755685
Food for thought, Meteor uses a booster to get up to a speed where the ramjet can take over.
Depending on how much fuel the booster has, a Meteor might be limited to 'fly straight' during the boost phase.
>>29759992
Yeah i guess, just seems like all you ever hear about combat is nothing ever goes exactly as planned and conditions are never ideal so being able to fire regardless of the state of the jet might be a good thing.
>>29760092
A simple roll would be enough to allow a safe launch.
But you haven't just "fucked up" to have to be doing a negative-g manouver. You're ignoring basic BCM rules and willing yourself to black out. Isn't even really a reason to do it at all that I can think of.
>>29760081
I doubt that's really an issue for it. Not for the ranges Meteor engages at even if it were the case. It'll hit that speed very very quickly, especially if launched at supercruise.
>>29760008
>basically the USAF Cmd said that the Sino-Meteor is better than the AMRAAM-D.
AMRAAM-C
>>29760112
What it would mean is the AIM-120D and Meteor are complimentary missiles, not competitive.
It is a common mistake with AIM-9X and ASRAAM.
![do-a-barrel-roll[1].gif](https://i.imgur.com/VcWukPE.gif "do-a-barrel-roll[1].gif")
>>29760108
heh i wasn't thinking high (low?) negative g stuff to the point of losing consciousness but even 1 or 2 neg gs (which would be no big deal for an experienced fight pilot) would be enough to not allow the missile to drop or even have the missile and jet collide.
> You're ignoring basic BCM rules
yeah i'm not a pilot so i didn't have them drilled into my head
so they were right all along...
>>29760081
Why would a booster motor prevent Meteor being able to turn ?
Even IF (which i doubt it does) it stops the missile turning, it would boost for <5 seconds.
>>29760446
Turning takes energy from accelerating, the idea being if it turned too hard during the boost phase it would not be able to get up to the speed required for the ramjet to take over.
If it is an actual thing it is a nonissue at standoff ranges, but makes the missile unusable in a dogfight.
>>29760584
Why the fuck would you be launching a Meteor in a dogfight?
Thats even assuming this is even a thing, which there isn't any indication that it is.
>>29760618
>Why the fuck would you be launching a Meteor in a dogfight?
If it was the only missile you had? This is a comparison of capabilities with an AIM-120D.
>Thats even assuming this is even a thing, which there isn't any indication that it is.
The fact that there is a boost phase is an indicator it is a thing.
The question is how much 'spare' fuel the booster has beyond what is required to get it up to speed.
>>29760790
I think it'd be better that we see some sort of concrete information first on its launching dynamics before assuming there's some sort of "locked in" direction. It's a massive leap in logic for such an advanced big of technology.
And WVR is for ASRAAM/AIM-9/IRIS-T. If you aren't carrying WVR missiles in a hostile air scenario, then you dun fucked up.
>>29760790
A solid rocket motor on a small object like a missile is perfectly capable of accelerating through turn.
There is pretty much no chance that a missile as new as meteor would have such a drastic flaw.
>>29761004
ASRAAM, as well has having high off boresight / LOAL is a BVR weapon.
Any engagement in busy airspace requires visual identification, radar will give you the target location, IRST can slave to the direction and give you identification - And you can launch an ASRAAM at 50KM+
who knew the indos were so powerful? you shitposters need to step your game up
>>29761117
>A solid rocket motor on a small object like a missile is perfectly capable of accelerating through turn.
this does not change that turning, particularly in a high offbore launch, drains deltaV, which is why the question of how much fuel the booster has is a valid one
>>29762301
Not particularly important on a missile that has a reported range in excess of 300km. You have Delta-V to spare.
Not sure what you would want to launch on that is behind you hundreds of kilometers away, though.
>>29761004
It is probably more accurate to equate ASRAAM with a AMRAAM-B that has an IR seeker instead of AIM-9X/IRIS-T.
>>29762367
>You have Delta-V to spare.
If the missile is not able to get up to speed for the ramjet, it doesn't.
>>29762443
They're really not that sensitive.
Unless you're firing them while stalling your jet, it probably isn't going to be an issue at all. Especially with the booster.
>>29759845
So it's not ready then?
>>29754727
About fucking time.
Maybe if the govt. gets scared enough theyll give you convicts your guns back!
Nah. You aussies with be speaking cantonese before that happens.
Does Canada have the 9X or the 120D?
>>29766260
Canada doesn't have jets tho?
>>29766260
Neither, the CF-18 isn't compatible with the AIM-9X and the AIM-120D has only been exported to Australia.
>>29766559
The AIM-9X has a legacy mode where it acts as an updated AIM-9M. You just don't get the fancy AIM-9X features like LOAL with it.
>>29755954
that's because carrying too many missiles or bicycle wheels is offensive for the mudslism population
