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Googling best Pistol manufacturers will usually get you lists with Glock, Sig, HK, Colt, and Smith and Wesson as the top five.
Walther is usually in the bottom five-10 slot.
Which, to me, is fucking criminal.
The more I think about it, Walther is the most underappreciated Pistol maker in existence.
>P38-first double single action Pistol
>ppk-possibly the most iconic carry gun of all time. Dated, but still a viable choice 50 years later.
>p99-first polymer gun with interchangeable backstraps. After Walther did this, everyone started doing it. In that respect, its probably the most influential Pistol of the past 20 years.
>pps-came out before the shield, before the xd- everyone of those kind of ripped off the PPS and stole its thunder in the single stack polymer Pistol market.
Am I wrong?
>>29565959
innovation isn't the same as durability and functionality
>>29565959
I think the only real problem here is your reliance on a google search to determine manufacturer rankings.
>>29565980
This.
Just because they did it first doesn't mean they do it the best. However I do feel that walther is underappriciated
>>29565980
Walther is plenty durable and plenty functional. They're not built like tanks like HK's, but they're better than Glock, they're at least on par with FN and Beretta, in terms of fit and finish. Especially the old P88s.
>>29566016
To be fair, I'm discounting anything that Umarex makes. But the true Walther's coming out of the Ulm proof houses are reliable, have some of the best functionality and features on the market, and the fit and finish is excellent.
I think their biggest problem is that they've never gotten a foothold in the American LE market.
The United States is the world's biggest superpower, and arguably the most gun friendly nation out of all of them. But Walther has never aggressively marketed in the US. Walther is used everywhere by European police, but they never went for the US market.
Maybe they tried, but pistols like the p5 and p88 were more expensive than s&w and the like. Glock swooped in during the 80s, starting the polymer boom.
By the time Walther came out with the p99, an affordable poly Pistol, Glock had already had LE agencies by the balls with contracts.
Anyway, that's my theory.
The most influential pistol is the Glock. The p99 is a poor clone which got no sucess as deserved.
Walther weapons have always lost to other manufacturers after WW2, save for the PP and PPK that remain their only worthwile entry to gun history.
>>29566535
Yes the Glock is the most influential of all poly pistols.
But Walther had the backstrap idea in 1995, way before that became a mainstream design element almost 10 years after.
It's a lot more significant of a pistol than people give it credit for.
Yeah it's basically a Glock clone, but a poor Glock ripoff? Bullshit. Objectively the p99 is better than the Glock = higher quality/better built, easier takedown with the bigger latches on the side, more comfortable and ergonomic grip, better slide release. The only thing Glock has on a p99 is price, and the reputation for ridiculous reliability, but the p99/is far from being an unreliable gun.
>>29566684
Also the trigger on the p99 is better.
I'm a big Walther guy. Walthers are underrated as fuck, phenomenal handguns that you really only see overseas and in movies. Like another anon already mentioned, however, they never really marketed aggressively in the U.S.
Walther is my favorite gun manufacturer, hands down. But the problem is that they over-innovate in a sense.
>"What is wrong with the P99? Absolutely nothing, but let's make a PPQ. It's different enough I guess, but what can we do to improve? PPQ M2? Perfect."
They do so much changing of their existing designs and slowly discontinue ones that fall to the wayside. What they need to do is revamp tooling for a DA/SA hammer fired pistol in 9mm, something like the P38 or P5. Then branch out into some full-sized hammer fired combat pistols to compete with HK, Beretta, FN, etc. They've focused too heavily on striker guns and since their striker and rimfire lines are established they should reconsider expanding now. After that, get back into long arms. The G41 was a flop, G43 only existed because the Nazis wanted a Garand, the MPL lost out to the MP5, and the WA2000 was to expensive in the 1980's. Extending their reach into rifles once again would do the country wonders, you know they could make WA2000's today and sell them for $2500 on a huge profit. They have the means in this century, I really just wish they'd up and do it. They need so reevaluate themselves and then rev up their engines in this country.
TL;DR: Walther needs to stop all the striker and rimfire shit and focus on double action hammer guns and rifles again.
>>29566247
One of the things that also hurt p99 was the Clinton Ban. Because it came out right in the middle of the AWB, you couldn't get the full cap mags.
Glock and HK poly models had already been out for a while, .and you didn't have to settle for 10/Rd mags, you had to pay up the ass, but you could still get them.
Big selling point for them, making it even harder to tap into the civilian market.
>>29568327
I think it would be awesome if Walther started making rifles again (not those umarex .22 mock-ups)
However a wa2000 remake would be a terrible proposition for them. If they did a few limited release ones for collectors, maybe.
But the wa2000 would be way expensive, probably 4000 bucks by the time it hits us streets with importation costs. They wouldn't sell enough IMO.
No police units would buy them for the same reason they didn't buy them in original production; they were expensive, and they couldn't afford to abuse them, and they were fucking way to bulky and heavy to really be effective.
>>29569665
Maybe if they made a more streamlined version of a WA2000, a next Gen model with less bulky polymer furniture, that takes dpms ar10 mags, call it the wa3000, and make it sub 3grand mark.
Maybe...
>>29566535
Glock is the most influential polymer Pistol.
The most influential Pistol is the 1911, everyone uses that Browning action, and the ergonomic setup is the gold standard of combat pistols.
>>29566016
yeah umarex making functional stuff at affordable prices and great customer support.
fuck them amirite?
>>29565959
The P38 was the first full auto pistol, just not on purpose.
>>29569775
Umarex isn't dogshit, but its not on the same level coming out of the fatherland.
>>29569797
The early m16s had problems too, but we still regard the improved versions as one of the best, if not the best modern combat rifle.
The p1s were fine>>29569992
>>29569741
>everyone makes SAO pistols
>everyone uses a bushing design instead of a guide rod
>everyone uses linked barrel
>everyone uses internal extractor
Congratulations you are a retard
What a bunch of fucking morons ITT
>>29565959
>>29566016
>>29566684
>>29568327
>>29569723
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>>29569775
>tfw I just ordered the best pistol ever made
>Walther PPQ
>>29570061
>not being able to look at the big picture.
You're a cherry picking mouth breather.
>>29570107
>this pistol that "in the big picture" has not really influenced many other guns is the most influential
I don't look at the big picture and yet here we are 115 years later and 1911 clones aren't exactly the most prolific handguns on earth now are they
>>29570143
I'm not talking about 1911s and 1911 clones you fucking retard.
Before the 1911, semi auto combat pistols were limited to the Luger, and the borchardt before it.
The 1911 simplified the locked breach design, and everyone built off of that. They dropped the bushings and made linkless barrels, but at the base, they all operate on strikingly similar principles of the original browning action in the 1911
How can you not see that?
>>29570206
Because idiots are often confused by simple ideas.
>>29565959
>no walther
>no makarov gets made
>no glorious makarov variants
i've thought the same but for different reasons OP
>>29565959
The P38 was not the first double-single action gun.
It was the first double single action LOCKED BREACH Pistol.
I think the first DA/SA trigger was installed on the Walther PP.
>>29571639
At least in the semi auto world. I don't know when da/SA first appeared on revolvers.
>>29571646
1877
God I love this thread.
>>29571718
Are you gonna get the ppsm2 to round out the collection?
>>29571718
>>29571822
Or a CCP?
>>29571822
I have lots in a list. That's one of them. I also need a steel P38, PPX, PPK, CCP, TPH, LP53 and about two dozen other variants and off-brand copies like an FEG APK. I did just get a CZ99 though, which I'd been searching for for awhile. It has some P88 guts in it.
I keep getting side tracked with other stuff because I've got the core Walthers.
>>29571904
How do you like the p88? always wanted one of those.
>always wanted a ppk
>just turn old enough to own handguns
>walther discontinues ppk because fuck you
>ppk prices soar to absurd levels. Impossible to find new unfired ones
Walther can go under with their umarex airshit for all I care theyre dead to me
>>29572204
Since when is the ppk discontinued? It's on their website, and available in a bunch of online gun shops...
>>29572369
The cheap 22lr knockoffs dont count
>>29572099
It's very bulky around the grip but smooth firing. It's the most accurate handfun I own.
>>29572444
http://www.waltherarms.com/handguns/ppk/ppk-ppks/
I don't see anything about it being discontinued beyond internet rumor.
If they're actually killing it, then they really are retarded at marketing, because it's their most iconic model.
>>29572859
>>29572204
http://www.defensivecarry.com/forum/general-firearm-discussion/214011-walther-ppk-380-a.html
Some guy in this thread says they're tooling up for new production soon.
Hope that's true. It would be a complete failure on Walther's part if they ever stopped making those.
>>29571718
>that p88
based filco anon knows best
>>29565959
I currently have a PPK, and can say it's been very reliable for me, accurate to a good range, and easily concealable.
>>29566510
I hate how the new p99s look. I get why they made the changes, but they could have done way better with the styling. The PPQ looks closer to the original p99's
>>29572579
Is that a dedicated gun room? That's badass.
