>$500 MSRP
>comes with garbage ass plastic sights
>buy 1 cuz dey're glawks nd they're gr8!
>glawks glawks glawks!
Give me a fucking break.
>"Perfection"
>unparalleled service record
>idiotproof design and controls setup
If you like guns but don't necessarily like shooting, a non-glock will be fine. If your first priority is putting lots of lead on a target with as little bullshit as possible, it's all glock all the way.
>>29554609
Cheap and reliable. Sure the sights suck, the trigger is meh and the grip is crap. If I have to shoot some one in defense, my gun goes bye bye into a evidence locker, which one you think I'd rather have go away...a nicer fire arm, or a glock?
That alone suits that purpose well enough to own and carry. So fuck off you autistic fag.
>>29554609
>you pay for quality
>the sights work
>b8 m80 strawman
If Glock is so terrible, why does every major manufacturer have a knockoff? Ohhh....
>>29554609
>>$500 MSRP
I don't get it, is this meant to be good or bad? Isn't this so exactly "average" that it can't possibly be used as an argument or a counterpoint?
>>29554736
He's one of those poorfags that thinks because the Shield is 90$ cheaper that you're dumb to buy anything else.
They are good guns, but they're not as good as they're touted as being. The only thing Glock does that significantly outperforms other companies is marketing.
Are they reliable? Absolutely. But they are no more reliable than an XD, M&P, Sig, CZ, etc...
I find the ergonomics of Glocks to be downright fucking abysmal though. Like the worst I've ever held in my hand
If I could shoot them well I would own one. But I've been spoiled by those Sig ergonomics single action triggers for too long
>>29554721
I hate Glock fanboys plenty. But you're right, they're the Toyota Camry of handguns. They do what they're designed for perfectly, affordable, reliable, and easy to add some creature comforts to.
Why buy a glocknade when less money can get you the superior cz p-07 or p-09?
>baiting on /k/
>using Glocks as bait
Hi, welcome to 4chan, you must be this stupid to proceed.
All wondernines are the same.
>>29554747
K, realistically, all guns have things said about them that are obviously blown out of proportion. So with those aside, here's was the Glock is touted as:
Fantastic reliability
Light weight
Audible and tactile trigger reset
Great combat handgun
Shit grip angle
Polymer
Competitive price bracket
Ok. I think we all agree that all of the above is almost absolutely true. What's wrong with it existing? Why do people even give a shit? It's just an average polymer pistol (maybe less than average) which is as reliable as other polymer pistols. "OH NO FUCK THAT THEN"
It's stupid. It's like shitting on a Honda civic owner who just wanted a reliable plain car to drive because they needed to get to work, because they didn't choose a Toyota camry. All of the polymer pistols are more or less just Japanese commuter vehicles, none of them are jaw dropping and they're all pretty good, would you REALLY talk shit to a Civic owner just because you now own a SCION? Hell no because it's fucking gay.
OP is that guy. He's gay.
>>29554743
mfw a sheild has the worst trigger ive ever felt, worse then even a glocknadememesplosive
>>29554816
No I totally agree.
But what does bother me, is that Glock owners have convinced themselves that they have purchased the end-all be-all of handguns. They are convinced that there is no other gun that is anywhere near as good as a Glock.
Glock this, Glock that, Glock Glock Glock Glock Glock. That is all you hear in any handgun conversation anywhere.
And holy fuck that shit gets annoying.. Glocks are good, but shut the fuck up about them. Because contrary to what you believe, they aren't any better than anything else in this day and age.
Pretty much all of them use the exact same action.
>>29554981
All the different handgun companies I mean..
Glocks definitely have the same action. Infact every one on of their guns is practically identical in every way except caliber and size
>>29554609
>$500
>he doesn't buy blue label
>>29554752
I wouldn't say Toyota Camry of guns, more like Honda Civic of guns. Dat aftermarket...
>>29554981
>buy a glock because I wanted a no bullshit 9mm in a good size and mag capacity
>suddenly I'm part of a fandom
this is why we can't have nice things
>>29555079
>Honda Civic
>dat aftermarket
This. People do love to nigger up their Civic's sometimes. Just like their Glocks.
>>29554708
implying a glock isn't a nice firearem pff
>>29554609
Glocks are just so god damn generic.
>>29554609
yeah i mean it's good enough for special forces and LE but not good enough for OP
>>29554828
+1
I own the shield and the g43, and the shield had the single worst trigger I have ever felt on any modern handgun.
I had to upgrade mine, pic related
>>29554759
but i already have a p07.
and i still want a glock 19.
>>29554721
this
>>29554708
>he doesn't carry 3 high points on him
How does it feel to be a newfag to guns?
>>29554759
I can't wait to sell my P07. I don't know why I got it in the first place. It's fat and blocky, pretty shitty compact to try and carry. Getting a full size Steel 75 to replace it, and carry something else better suited.
>>29554609
>glocks suck are here's why
>proceeds to make no argument
Stock sights suck on most handguns, unless they come with trijicons or something.
>>29554609
> paying full price for a glock
That is where you fucked up. Get a gssf membership and get one close to $400 new with 3 magazines.
>HK does the same thing
>muh perfection
>>29555223
hows it compare to factory trigger?
I'm about to sell my shield for a walther ccp or maybe a p30 but maybe i'll just drop a better trigger in it if its worth it.
Fuck yeah OP
to the trash bin with glocks
these pieces of shit are for niggers
>>29554689
>idiotproof design and controls setup
Of course an idiot would count this as a plus and a reason to purchase; it's why Pigs and Nigs like glocks.
The rest of your post is just as retarded so you fall into their market of mouth breathers who buy their products.
I think they're okay. Average pistol but it is a bit overpriced. If it wasn't for the blue label program I wouldn't have gotten one.
>>29554752
>>29554816
>comparing a Civic to a Camry
That's comparing apples to oranges fags. Civics and Corollas or Accords and Camrys are more close for comparison womyn
>>29554609
You're every bit as much of a retard - if not more - than Glawk fanbois.
Glocks are the Toyota Corolla of guns. They get you where you need to go, are reliable, and are boring as fuck.
Not junk, not shit, just dull as it gets.
>most reliable pistol on earth
>most accurate gun under 1800
>most purchased pistol by a massive margin since it was introduced.
I'll give you a trigger that could be better and stock sights that are meh. Fix those and you win at handguns.
I always laugh when the babies at the range give me shit about my 600 dollar glocks and I then proceed to drop all 15 rounds in the 10 ring while they stutter and say something about "having such an off day" when they can't even hit paper at 50 yard with their 3000 dollar custom guns. Typical /k/ posters I suppose.
>>29554609
Even if you hate them, buy one.
There are so many out there that if SHTF you will have no problem finding mags, parts, ammo, etc.
It's too cheap not to have one anyway.
>>29554609
>wasting $500 on a gun because someone told you to
>complaining when you dont like it
take it back then ya dumb faggot holy shit
>>29554609
Honestly surprised that you didn't use le glocknade XDDDD meme in this b8
>>29556886
a 4 cyl camry is just a longer corolla with better options
>>29554609
So your only complaint is the sights? Replace them...
>>29554721
>implying the glock isn't a knockoff of the browning action
I habe 2 glawks, the only reason I have them is because they are the cheapest and easiest thing to convert to snowflake calibers. The m&p is a cheaper and better all around IMO.
Not to crazy about the single action type triggers on most mondern striker poly guns, so i picked this thing up. DA/SA striker with decocker. This pistol is amazing. I tried the PPQ but the trigger is way too lite for my liking, the only single action pistol i own is my SA 1911.
>>29554981
For carry and defense there's theoretically nothing better unless you for some reason care about comfort and aesthetics. Glocks are overall the best on the board on the numbers that matter.
>>29556637
Shield apex trigger is amazing
Thinking about buying a glock. I want something light to carry while hiking and camping in Alaska, and the 10mm Glock 20 or Glock 40 seem well received for this purpose.
I know many people think a magnum is the only way to go in bear country, but having 15 rounds with decent stopping power sounds way better than having 6. Especially considering most bear encounters tend to be close range.
What does /k/ think?
>>29555022
>being a welfare queen
>>29554759
P07 is a shit gun, certainly less reliable than a glock.
>>29554609
Hmm hating on glocks ok, but first post your guns you fucking no guns faggot.
>>29558734
Make sure it's good 10mm and not downloaded commercial stuff.
You could also get a .45ACP glock and convert it to .460 Rowland
>>29557325
But a camry is a mid-sized Sedan while a Civic is a compact car, not the same class m8
It's a service weapon, made for police/light military
It's ugly as fuck, it's a little clunky, the safety is shit but it will always fire
It's use is self defense, and that's about it
They really are the best. Great value, reliability, aftermarket and trigger reset.
>>29554609
My LGS has ex police blocks for 300-350. Only catch is the 9mm models sell out immediately.
>>29554689
>this hard shilling
You sound just as stupid as OP
>>29554609
I want a Glock 17,
only i want a gen 1 Glock 17 since i think they look cooler than the newer ones.
>>29557180
>most reliable
its as reliable as anything else
>>29558192
>implying comfort and aesthetics dont matter
>not just shooting what you like best
>>29559851
Post your guns you no guns faggot
>>29557180
Who the fuck shoots pistols at 50 yards?
Ill go as far as 25, but rarely beyond 15.
Its like your practicing shooting someone whos running away from you.
>>29560067
no.
Cool, a Glock thread.
>>29554708
i like the grip tho
>>29560067
MY VP9 has been more reliable than any post Gen 2 Glock I've owned with the added benefit of not spitting brass in my face or shitty customer service.
>>29560246
Why did you get Trump with a star on the back of your gun?
>>29555192
>Jericho 941 is gay bullshit
>basically a copy of the non-GBS CZ 75
I always hear people go on and on, bitching about the plastic sights. But not once have I ever heard a believable story of them failing under stresses metal sights wouldn't have also failed under.
It's like how my grandfather bitches about "shitty Japanese low quality bullshit", meanwhile his dirt cheap jap VCR has been running flawlessly for close to 40 years.
People who have prejudices will maintain them despite all evidence to the contrary.
>not buying a Glock 21 cheap as shit because no one wants a 45 glock
>not converting it to 10mm
>>29554981
>Glock owners have convinced themselves that they have purchased the end-all be-all of handguns.
You are trying to extrapolate a very small, very vocal minority onto the entire owner base.
>>29560395
This. God damn
>>29560372
Filthy nip lover. Would it kill you to buy American?
>Quality
>Cheap
>Dead simple to use
>Reliable
>Large quantities of caliber options from workhorse to snowflake options
>Different frame sizes in those diverse caliber options
It's not the best at everything but it's bad at precisely nothing and that in itself is a positive quality.
>>29560451
>Would it kill you to buy American?
My money will go to whoever makes the best product at the price point I'm looking to pay.
Anything else would essentially be nation-based affirmative action, with noncompetitive American companies being the hoodrats and cholos.
>>29559911
>for carry and defense
If you're shooting for fun or just like the gun, do what you want. But there's a reason they're universally popular with serious shooters.
>>29560395
Actually I love my glock 19 w 33 rd extendo
But my real end all be all especially in stopping power is my .357 mag
>>29560451
It might if all Americans can make is dogshit like the m&p.
>>29560579
Yeah and that reason is bullshit.
Back a few years glock had no serious competition whatsoever.
Now pretty much every manufacturer makes a good polymer pistol that can serve as well as any glock, but brand loyalty and aggressive marketing keep them afloat and favorited.
>>29560572
God damn fishhead sympathizer. I didn't spend three tours in Nam so I could watch you mingle with slant eyed rice eaters. The only good gook is a dead gook.
>>29560641
>Now pretty much every manufacturer makes a good polymer pistol that can serve as well as any glock
Who are these manufacturers? The only other non-shit striker fired polymer double-stack to come out recently is the sig p320, which feels very different from a glock.
>>29560816
P99, tp9, vp9 (unfortunately).
>>29560641
Oh I forgot to add
Yes, I like Glocks.
Yes, they make simplistic reliable pistols that are easy to care for.
No, I don't think every single bit of the praise they receive is completely warranted.
>>29560816
Walther, PPQ
Heckler and Koch, VP9
Smith and Wesson, M&P series
Steyr, M9
Sig, P320
All of those are perfectly serviceable striker fired polymer wonder 9s. The fact that they're not Glocks and you don't like them doesn't make them bad.
This is what Glock owners need to get in their heads.
>>29560816
>which feels very different from a glock
That's because it's not shit ;^)
>>29560851
Vp9 jams if soaked in water. Not comparable to a glock. P99s are cool but they have the da/sa shit going, which in my opinion isn't really needed.
Tp9 is literal who turkshit.
Does OP actually own guns? Just curious.
>>29560917
>Vp9 jams if soaked in water.
>Source, one youtuber who hasn't had credibility in years
>lel MAC
kk anon, have some more sample size 1
I do miss these completely inane illogical fights.
>>29560917
>VP9 jams if soaked in water
Stop watching MAC
P99s aren't bad despite that shit you dont think is needed
Also previous Anon forgot to add the XD-M on there.
>>29554609
>>29560586
LGS is selling a NIB Glock 30 Gen4 for $599, is it a decent deal? Online looking and they're not much cheaper online.
>durr ur paying for a name
>HUR I am mad I can't pay for the name
Literally non-Glockfags in a nutshell every time
>>29560880
But I do like the steyr and the p320. I think that they're probably as good as glocks in most ways. Not the others though. He just implied that everyone makes a gun as good as good or better than the glock which couldn't be further from the truth imo. At best, a small handful of manufacturers make offerings that are as good while changing small things that certain people don't like about glocks (sights, triggers, and grips mostly).
>>29561218
Are you looking for Gen 4 specifically?
>>29561377
>dat photo
>mfw
Yes, anon. All my other Glocks are Gen 4 and I've liked them a lot. Should I be looking more closely at a Gen3 or 30SF?
>>29555192
>>29560340
The chart is accurate.
>>29561405
>Should I be looking more closely at a Gen3 or 30SF?
I don't know jack shit about .45 glocks lmao
>>29561377
>>29561427
haha appreciate your candid honesty
>>29560451
Let me know when the US starts manufacturing high quality consumer electronics.
>>29561335
Again you're spouting unbased conjecture which is the Glock owner/defenders number one sin.
Play by play; and no this isn't me being an asshole it's me trying to show a Glock owner why everyone hates when you talk about your gun
>Not the others though.
Not the other what? The others aren't as good a Glock? Okay, through what metric? With respect to what feature(s)? you're making a blanket statement with nothing to back it up. Come to think of it you're just making an ambiguous blanket statement. X is better than Y. No qualifying statement or even metric which this is based on is afforded.
>He just implied that everyone makes a gun as good as good or better than the glock which couldn't be further from the truth imo
He implied that a large number of manufacturers are making striker fired, safetyless Polymer Framed high-capacity 9mm handguns that fit roughly the same role as Glocks do. In this he is correct. Just about every major civilian firearm manufacturer is making a handgun that fits the description I just listed. It's back to your fancifull metric of "not as good" that's producing a disqualifying criteria only you are familiar with.
>A smaAt best, a small handful of manufacturers make offerings that are as good
Again, this is by no metric other than your own, which aside from "It's not a Glock" little is known. This is why people are constantly mocking Glock owners and their fandom because of statements like this. You're saying "If it's not a Glock it's not as good" with nothing to back it. That's exactly the subjective statement you're making right now and what more firghtening is you think it somehow has legitimacy.
>changing small things that certain people don't like about glocks
Okay, this is why I own a VP9 and not a Glock. It fixed subjective things that I don't like about Glocks while offering me things not found on an OEM glock. It's just as reliable (I keep detailed records) under the same conditions and does the same thing.
>>29556096
join the cz/glock alliance.
But I am itching to get an HK.
>>29554708
What's wrong with the Glock grip? Unless you are some small handed manlet it's perfectly fine
>>29562018
even with small hands the 26, 30, and 43 are fine
>>29562039
Aren't they compact models though? I was talking about full sized ones like the 22 and 17
>>29560917
>P99s are cool but they have the da/sa shit going, which in my opinion isn't really needed.
So being able to have a second strike capability isnt needed?
>>29562101
lol yes
but to tiny hands they might as well be full size
>>29554609
>tfw I picked up a $425 blue label Glock 19
Cry more, OP. They're great guns for the money
>>29554609
Tell the Navy SEALs why they're wrong and why you're more operator.
>>29556524
>Browning Hi Power
>Dem beer can target sights
>mfw $900 average price tag
>>29562018
Right? I have little sausage fingers and my Gen 3 G32 fits perfect.
Glock 19, VP9, or FNS-9?
I saw the VP9 torture video, but meh.
>>29555192
>steyr m9a1 is gay bullshit
fucking nope
>>29554689
Couldn't have said it better myself.
>>29556670
So you're saying you prefer more complicated designs with more moving parts and more points of failure when your life is on the line?
WE GOT A BADASS HERE
>>29562272
How does one get a blue label discount without qualifying for it?
>>29562452
spotted the fag
>>29556670
Nice ad hom you noguns faggot. Can't think of a real reason to hate Glocks?
>>29562170
That dudes a turd
>>29560917
Glocks can have the same problem with water. That's why they make aftermarket marine spring cups
Navy SEALs use Glock 19s
BOOM OWNED BITCH
>>29562629
No they don't.
>>29554609
>not using an HK USP Compact
>>29554609
Their generic as hell. Literally the Ford Taurus of guns. Doesn't mean they're bad, just very plain.
>>29562629
>Navy SEALs use Glock 19s
Because the 19 is the new IT gun. The one for popular kids to have. When you hear teens who know nothing about guns absolutely brag on the merits of the 19 over all other guns you know it's a passing fancy. Its merely a meh pistol. Not great and not shitty. Kinda like modern restaurants that make bland good so the largest amount of people will be repeat customers. No strong tastes so the least amount of people will be turned off by something they serve.
>>29560317
Cause I'm an America God dammit.
>>29562691
>g23
>MAGA
We'd be great friends irl
>>29562838
That's a 29. I took this today
>bears
>>29562904
Shit even better. I own a 23 and a 20.
>>29562921
I also own a 20
>>29555139
>People do love to nigger up their Civic's sometimes
I love going to car shows in my city and seeing all these ricer civics
>>29562472
I'm law enforcement but I don't know how you'd do it unless you're friends with your LGS owner
>>29562681
You're literally saying you know better than the navy seals. You are ultimate mallninja armchair warrior
>>29562422
I'd go fns 9. I have one and the stock trigger is fucking excellent.
>>29563483
>le argument from authority fallacy
Feel free to quit digging your hole anytime.
How do the XD grip and trigger compare to a Glock?
>>29554689
The M&P and FNS do this while being better all around.
>>29555192
Wrong picture
>>29560372
They fail over time with lots of training.
>>29555223
My shield's trigger was really nice... Then again this is /k/ and no one here actually shoots
>>29562681
Ok stop and think logically for a second.
First, that guy's post was a satirical joke. Look at the part where he says "BOOM OWNED BITCH," that's the hint.
Second, the 19 is not the new IT gun, it is old and decrepit now. The new IT guns are the ones which were recently released, such as the newest polymer framed SIG, CZ, and in another month the Ruger American.
Third, YES WE KNOW man, the Glock is a very meh gun. Everyone with a brain knows that. The only ones who don't are not intelligent enough to reason with. Would you explain to a little baby how quantum physics work? Would you really do that? Sit around for hours trying to get an infant to fathom something when they can't even keep from puking yet?
Where is everyone getting Glocks for 500? Fuck man, I can't find them any less than 600
>>29565000
I always thought it was decent too.
My M&P9 had a fucking horrible trigger though.
>>29565000
>no one here actually shoots
>>29564947
an m&p could have a magazine disconnect, and the fns platform has manual safety, both of which add potential "state" and clutter the path from input (pull trigger) to output (bang)
and the m&p is a glock clone anyways
>>29564947
Yes, but they weren't around until recently. Glock has a couple decade head start in carving out market share
>>29565098
aight smart guy
Tell us what you think the best pistol on the market it
>>29554689
>idiotproof design and controls setup
Pulling the trigger to disassemble your pistol is idiot proof?
>>29565407
>best pistol on the market
Okay, best pistol on the market for what intended purpose?
Military side arm? Water-born operations? Dusty conditions? CCW? Home defense? Pizza delivery ccw?
There isn't just "one do it all best pistol," come on now. Best pistol for what use?
I think when I start my new job, I'm going to get a Salient Glock 19. Just because.
>>29565502
dude check out agency arms, too
>>29565454
Pizza delivery
>>29554689
>idiot proof
how?
all it has is the trigger safety and that retarded chamber/cocking indicator, and who the fuck is gonna check those.
plus you gotta fucking pull the trigger to disassemble, that's asking for an ND.
1911 is better, because;
>2 safeties, and even if one is off the other will prevent firing
>SAO so no chance of firing without the gun being cocked and one in the chamber
>reliable
>simple as shit disassembly
>pretty good power round, but you can get it in various calibers including 10mm, or get a Browning HP if you want a 9mm 1911
glocks are shit.
deal with it.
>>29554609
they're not interesting but they work, I don't see the problem here
>>29565309
You can buy an fns without a manual safety.
>>29565566
There's no chance of a Glock firing unless the trigger is pulled. Also
>1911
>reliable
Pick one and only one if you're talking about a gun in the Glock's price range or hell, even sub $1,000. I wouldn't trust my life to any 1911 not made by Dan Wesson, Les Baer, or Ed Brown.
>>29565543
Then in my barely educated opinion on sub compacts, at first glance I would think that a Shield would be the 'best' pistol on the market. For many reasons. "Best grip" wouldn't be one of them.
>>29565633
how is it not reliable?
there's a reason the military chose it, and it works fine, never had a problem with mine unless it was shitty ammo.
>no chance of a glock firing unless trigger is pulled
which can happen in many unsavory ways, like my buddy who got a trigger job, decided to do some cowboy bullshit flip, and ND'd into his leg.
>wouldn't trust your life to anything but designer 1911s.
then you're retarded.
get a kimber 1911. you won't regret it.
>>29565202
More like no one here OWNS a gun, just rent em.
>>29565669
not him but a Kimber is not a designer 1911 dude and the actual (Him) already kind of said that himself.
>>29565566
>pull the trigger to disassemble
This is one of the most stale memes in existence. Military bolt rifles did this for decades you fucking faggot.
>>29565689
yeah but to disassemble it, you rotate the bolt and pull, therefore ejecting any rounds that were in the gun and making it safe.
>>29565687
I know it's not designer, that's why I was pointing it out.
doesn't have to be expensive as shit to be nice
>>29565689
I've never understood it either. Who disassembles their weapon without clearing it first? It's the same thing as pointing a gun at the floor and pulling the trigger. It's actually the exact same scenario. If it's loaded, of course it will go off, so you clear it first.
I agree with you man.
>>29565711
true, but people are idiots.
>"i know it's clear, I cleared it at the range when I left"
>boom
happens a lot, I almost did it.
Alright guys, in drunk enough to be honest. I don't like my Glock 22. Maybe I'm just not good with .40, or the the grip angle, or I just suck. But for some reason, I just can't bond Iwith this gun. My bro-in-law has a little XD, and that thing fits like a glove in my hand. I'm really wanting another full frame pistol to kind of replace the Glock, and I'm wondering what you guys think. I'm not even set on polymer. I just want a comfy gun for range plinking.
Deal with it.
>>29565746
1911
>1911
1911
>1911
best and only choice
>>29565669
>how is it not reliable?
Military guns had looser tolerances. New 1911s, even from shitty manufacturers, are often tight enough to require a tool to disassemble when they're new. Those bushings are tighter than an 18 year old virgin pussy. At least from what I've seen. Lots of 1911s have trouble feeding hollow point ammunition, it was designed around 230gr FMJ after all.
Also Kimber's QC in recent years sucks ass, you're damn well right I wouldn't trust a gun that wasn't hand fitted by people who know what the fuck they're doing and even then they require a "break in period" (lol) before they can be trusted. If you want a ghetto blaster there are literally people making 1911s in jungle huts that make their way to the United States that get used by the criminal element and sold for crazy prices cause no background checks from illegal arms dealers.
Some of us want a gun that goes bang every time we pull the trigger and ONLY when we pull the trigger. Your friend is a fucking retard. That's what happens when you play with tools. No different than playing with a nail gun and then crying when you get a nail in the leg or hand.
>>29565746
Well man I've had a 1911 for a long time, no joke, and finally bought a G17.
I don't like the G17 yet. I like it a lot more now after approaching 1k rounds. But I just don't like it as much. It's only a gun.
I still love my 1911, much to my chagrin, because my particular 1911 is less reliable than my G17. But the G17 isn't a toy either, it's just a pistol made to kill people. But god damn so is the 1911 and I can't get over how it has ruined lesser pistols for me.
>>29565704
Dan Wesson, Les Baers, and Ed Brown 1911s aren't expensive as shit unless you get one highly customized/engraved. A Korth is an example of a gun that's expensive as shit considering their basic models start out where Ed Brown and Les Baer 1911s start to reach their highest point.
>>29565771
yeah, friend was a fucking idiot.
I haven't ran into a tight 1911 but I do understand your gripes.
I haven't had problems with kimber either, so i can't really relate to that.
>every time we pull the trigger and ONLY when we pull the trigger
when has a 1911 ever just randomly fired?
I'm not saying that a 1911 is the best gun, but I'm trying to get people to knock the glock down a few pegs, neither are the best.
>>29565689
Yes, and no. Like 99.9999 percent of the time it won't matter.
My buddy was stripping his ccw gun for cleaning and went to check it clear. He dropped the mag and fully cycled the slide about 5 times. Nothing came out so he went to remove the slide. Now, somehow, there was still a round in the chamber. I think maybe the extractor either slipped off the rim or pulled through it. When he went to get the slide off, he pulled the trigger and the gun fired. He was holding the takedown tabs and the .40 caliber bullet went through his palm and out the back of his wrist.
On the plus side, that PDX-1 bullet opened up beautifuly. we found it behind the couch when we got back from the hospital. I wish I still had the pictures of his hand.
>>29565820
Oh and this was a Taurus PT111 G2 .40 so that pobably had something to do with it
>>29565835
PT111s are great and comfy guns for their price point.
Until they fail miserably.
>>29555192
How is the FNS-9 gay bullshit?
>>29565805
Certain 1911s aren't what I'd consider "drop safe", specifically anything that's not a series 80 and doesn't have the firing pin block. 1911s can be great guns don't get me wrong. If I had the time and money to do competition shooting I'd want to run a 1911 chambered for .38 super. For self defense/duty use I see Glocks and ANY striker fired handgun with internal safeties (and preferably no manual safeties) as superior for that defense/duty use. The 1911 was a hugely influential firearm and CAN still function as a defensive weapon. But both Glock fanboys and 1911 fans (who often romanticize the gun the way cowboy gun fans do) irritate the shit out of me. Diehard Glock fans (I'm a glock fan myself but I don't think the gun is mechanically superior to other striker fired guns it's just cheap as shit with cheap after market) do as well because they seem to think Glocks are better than even other striker fired guns.
I'd say something like a Walther PPQ is superior to both mechanically speaking compared to the 1911 and fit and finish/quality when compared to the glock. A lot more machine work even if its all CNC.
>>29565438
just remove the clip and check the chamber you fucking retard are you THAT lazy?
>>29554708
Affordable reliable and replaceable. Yes good choice for a defense gun you are willing to use/lose
>>29565566
But can you 17+1?
>>29565640
bersa is the best, probably the most fun i've ever had shooting a pocket pistol as well. Plus the magazines are fucking tiny, can hold 8 rounds and I often put 2 extra mags in my back pocket and forget I even have them since they are comfy enough to dissappear on you
>>29565566
>SAO for even less options
>Shit capacity
>Inferior reliability to glocks
>Less caliber choices than glocks
Trigger safety is for point and shoot responsiveness and eliminates the need to cock the hammer.
>Asking for a ND
DROP MAGAZINE
RACK SLIDE
CHECK CHAMBER
YOUR GUN IS NOW A HARMLESS PAPERWEIGHT
>B-BUT ALL GUNS ARE ALWAYS LOADED EVEN WHEN CLEARED THREE TIMES WITH NO MAGAZINE IN IT AND THE CHAMBER IS EMPTY
Fucking noguns.
>>29554609
Does Magpul make magazines for other handguns?
I thought not.
Check, and, mate.
>>29565974
>shit capacity
of course it's a low capacity, it's a bigass round you autist.
the only reason glock has more capacity is because of the wide and uncomfortable as shit grip.
>muh noguns
yeah, ideally you drop the mag, rack, check and then clean, but people are idiots.
>inferior reliability to glocks
I mean, not really, but okay
>less caliber choices
.45 acp, 10mm, 357 magnum, 9mm
what more do you need?
SAO is fine as well, also if you follow the way you're supposed to carry, with hammer cocked, one in the chamber and manual safety off, you'll be fine.
the grip safety will keep you fine.
just stop
>>29557180
This "out shoot $$$ y with my $ x" shit may as well be copypasta at this point. Its really not worth typing out anymore
>>29554807
This guy gets it.
Computers have leveled the playing field for every major player. We are well past the age of traditional design.
The main thing to look at anymore is desirable features. Glock is simple. I love my fnx and px4 but I carry my Glock. It is stupid simple and easy.
If you want a reliable and east to operate gun get a Glock. The only thing easier or more plain is a revolver but capacity is poor.
>>29557180
>most accurate under 1800
Nigger are you retarded ? It's inherently less accurate than shit like cz-75 , hi-power , and other pistols with non moving barrels. Sure , a heavily modified glock can outshoot a lot of stock guns. No doubt about it. But out of all the stock options there are far more accurate pistols at the same price point.
>>29565820
>t clear. He dropped the mag and fully cycled the slide about 5 times. Nothing came out so he went to remove the slide.
This is why you check visually AND physically, he fucked up by relying on the extractor/ejector and doing NEITHER.
> When he went to get the slide off, he pulled the trigger and the gun fired. He was holding the takedown tabs and the .40 caliber bullet went through his palm and out the back of his wrist.
So he pulled the trigger while the gun was not aimed in a safe direction. You're friend is a fucking retard. Next time:
>drop mag
>pull slide back and lock it
>look through magwell and into chamber
>stick a finger into the chamber to be sure it's empty
>point the gun in a SAFE DIRECTION aka without your hand in front of the muzzle before pulling the trigger if it's required for takedown
>>29565974
Nobody uses second strike, and even then shit like LDA and striker guns based on 1911s exist.
Double stack 1911s have been around for decades.
Every caliber that can fit in the frame has been offered in 1911 from .22lr and .380 to .357sig, to .460Rowland, to .50GI. The only one that Glock has that the 1911 doesn't is .45GAP
As far as reliability, there is NOTHING in the design that makes the 1911 less reliable than Glock. Deviation from specification amongst a myriad of manufacturers is where problems crop up. Lets not sit here and pretend glocks run 100% of the time either.
>>29566314
You realize that all of those use Browning's tilting barrel design right, they all function the same way.
comfy/10 for edc
Glocks are to handguns what AR15's are to rifles. If you are a normal person looking for an efficient, common, reasonably priced gun with the largest after market with any kind of third party manufactured part, both cheap and widely available, then this is the gun you have to own.
If you are a rich special snowflake who feels the need to own only the most gucci stuff, then you might own more expensive and less common guns, while still owning a Glock and AR15 anyway because everyone own those.
And there is absolutely nothing wrong with that.
>>29566568
Glock barrels noticeably tilt upwards when firing
A Brownings does not
>they're totally the same guise
>>29562624
That shit only becomes an issue if youre shooting underwater. If it's just wet then it runs fine.
>>29562170
>So being able to have a second strike capability isnt needed?
No. And it's probably a liability too.
>>29565897
>clip
>>29565633
Springfield are nice.
>>29565566
They do make 9mm 1911s. I initially had an issue with extracting, sent it back to SA and they replaced the extractor. No problems since then.
Also are Supertuck IWB holsters any good? LTC soon™
>>29554708
>not using your nicest gun to shoot someone
It's a once in a life time thing. It's your only chance might as well make it count. Its like having a salad for your last meal.
>>29566630
>AR15
>cheap
>reasonably priced
I think you meant to say AK47/74 and not AR15.
Makarov is better then a Glock. SBB is more accurate, simpler design, and more reliable.
>>29554708
Do you think the price of the gun really matters in a life or death situation. Not to mention the amount of money that will be spent possibly both in civil and criminal courts?
>>29555192
>Thinking Jericho is gay bullshit
Your fucking retarded and fuck your stupid ass glock
>>29567127
I dunno where you are getting your prices, but the ak/ar gap has narrowed considerably due to value-based builds for the ar and the embargo restriction on most things ak. And those entry levels are around $650.
>>29562452
WOW WHAT A FAG
I love my glock 30SF.
Actually shoots real nice for a subcompact fuddyfive
>>29567147
Sorry my mind was thinking of prices in the past. Should've got this instead of my arsenal.
https://www.atlanticfirearms.com/component/virtuemart/shipping-rifles/radical-firearms-ar15-7-62x39mm-rifle-detail.html?Itemid=0
>>29560880
>Steyr
>serviceable
As an M9A1 owner I can assure you it is not.
>>29567388
whats wrong w/ it
>>29567143
>wah wah someone doesn't like my meme tier anime gun
>>29567127
>the current year
>not the era of the $500 AR
AKs and WASRs all cost more than an AR these days
>>29567480
THE TRUTH HURTS.
can't outproduce the commies? just ban them and arrest the smugglers.
>>29567127
No one cares about your slav shit in special snowflake calibers
>>29565787
Get one of the SAO Sigs.
http://www.1911forum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=533281
>>29554689
>unparalleled service record
>What is the
>Beretta 92fs/m9
Sorry, can't hear you over glocknades failing to get the army pistol contract, consistently, because polyshit a shit if you want your gun's receiver to last long or not have to replace the polymer springs with metal ones
>Sig 226
>HK USP/MK23
>Any other military contract sidearm
If you have trouble with a safety, you shouldn't be owning guns.
If you need your gun "idiotproof" you should be touching a gun.
A gun is a tool and the fact that the glock is made of polymer with polymer springs brings it far from the front of being among the best.
Metal is king. It will always be king. You want light weight? Go aluminum. Or wait a few years for the Sorks to start production on their new steel alloy that has the strength weight ratio as titanium, making it super strong for its weight, putting it stronger than most all aluminum alloys, but weaker than the top 15% of the strongest steel alloys, but at half the weight almost.
Meanwhile
>The FNX/improperly molded polymer shit goes "Squishy"
>The Glock/polymer shit anything limp wristed goes "CLACK"
>The Polymer anything with p+ ammo goes "BOOM CRACK tinkle"
>>29569334
Metal frames? What is this, 1950?
it's a Good pistol series for 500 dollars.
if you think otherwise, millions of people, government and law enforcement agencies worldwide wont stop loving it.
>>29569350
I wouldn't know, considering polymer hasn't innovated since then and metal has consistently worked, so unlike polymer fanboys who are able to count the years by manufacturing dates of all their broken pistols, I can't tell because I haven't had the need to buy something new due to spontaneous asplosion.
>>29569384
>polymer hasnt innovated
live under a rock much?
>>29569397
If I am, I'm supprised I haven't seen Gaston Glock here.
They're still using the same polymer the original G17 was made with back in 198something.
Or does releasing OD green and desert tan variants count as innovation when it comes to polymer handguns?
I can't tell with my titanium like steel and diamond like carbon treatment that could make steel guns last for hundreds of thousands of rounds.
>>29569450
Steel framed guns crack where delicious polymer handles it in stride.
Where have metal framed guns innovated? DLC? Thats a metal finish. About as innovative as brown or green on a pistol. Titanium? Really. How many pistols have a titanium frame?
>>29569334
>polymer springs
What the fuck? The springs themselves have always been metal, and gen 4 glocks have metal guide rods
>failing to get
Decades ago, because the military's decisions in small arms are made specifically for retards who need hammers and manual safeties
>limp wristed
Ever try to limp wrist a glock? Hard as shit to do unless you're a literal bitch
>>29554609
Bitching about the sights when they have the best after market support for sight so much so that manufactures list their guns as glock sight compatible
>>29560154
>15 yards
why don't you just put the gun touching the paper while you're at it, faggot?
>>29554759
>glocknade
>>29560154
You never try to push yourself?
Or are you happy being mediocre?
Not that anon but dialing in handguns at 100-200 yds is actually kind of fun. When the front sight post completely covers the target it gets pretty fun/difficult.
Imagine shooting for fun. Not just for tactical situations involving 15+ foot mobiles.
>>29562589
Is it just me or does trump have the more attractive looking female supporters?
>>29569516
Can't read can we?
>Crack
Better than exploding
>DLC
Is projected to triple at least, the lives of barrels, and make receivers last beyond your lifetime, especially on something like an AR
>Titanium weight strength ratio STEEL
Who doesn't want a gun with the weight of aluminum but the strength of steel? That will still last longer than polymer
>>29569689
>Muh striker fired
>Muh sa
>Muh non comparable reliability
>Muh shit triggers
Enjoy being unable to double strike hard primers
>Literal bitch
>Makes up for terrible designs
>And shit polymer
>And shit reliability
>In all polymer guns that will short stroke, jam, ftf and fte if you've got a weaker grip for whatever reason that may be
>>29569759
>When your sights are so shitty you decide 'screw it' and force the customer to buy better ones
When FN does it with a mediocre trigger, it's just laughable, isn't it?
But for Glocks with shitty triggers, sights and the works, it's just a part of owning a glock?
>>29570649
>>29570649
If steel is so superior why don't you just take solace knowing you're right instead of shiposting in an effort to convince yourself to an audience that doesn't care?
>>29570664
if you actually believe a glocks trigger is shit you havent tried other guns and fell for the memes
its not the best thing but its certainly adequate and amazingly consistent. every single glock has the same exact trigger out of the box and this is a good thing.most other companiys cant manage it. learn to shoot one glock and you can shoot them all.
>>29570784
It's like watching a car accident unfolding.
The polymer fags scraping for the solace that they can only find underneath rocks
Shunning the glorious light of forged metal
Wallowing in their brooding angst thinking that maybe, someday there will be a competent military force that will use a Glock en mass
How easily the fire is stoked and their tism rages when their fallacy is challenged
It's like watching a tard escape their wrangler and if I throw a potato at them once and a while they'll keep fighting the cops that showed up after they started shitting and screaming in the mall parking lot, despite the fact that the cops have already dumped a car battery's worth of electricity into them.
>>29570826
That's mostly because Glocks are almost universally the same, the only differences being in receivers, op rods, slides and mags. Everything else is the same. That's why you're able to caliber swap by switching out the slide assembly and mag.
Which I will admit, is a smart move from a manufacturing perspective. You can appeal to LEO and FBI bureaucratic tards with the specials you offer, and can easily fill the .40s&w niches they have, but at the same time, sell 9mm and .45 acp models, and occasionally go for shit in .357 sig or whatever, all on the same basic platform.
It greatly decreases your overhead and since your guns are already being sold to retail at around 400 to 450 regardless of model, minus 10mm and G34 models, and it's only costing you roughly 100-150 to make em since the majority of production is done with injection molded plastic and the rest is done in 10 minutes on a CNC for the slide and the rest being stamped or outsourced, Glock is making bank.
Throw in LEO, FBI and Military contracts that receive "special attention and care" that tacks on a bit more for each gun, in addition to the bulk ordering is done, and you're sitting on a nice cushion of dosh. Why innovate when everything is smooth sailing right now as far as they care?
>>29571004
>unironically carrying more metal than necessary
>>29554689
This.
>>29554609
>I dont actually shoot and care more about being special unique and barbie doll-ing my gun
>>29568962
>7.62x39
>5.45x39
>9x18
>special snowflake
Do you live just to shitpost?
>>29565309
You can get it without the safety, are you really going to act like an easily removable part that is not common is a game changer?
They also make FNSs without safeties.
>>29565310
We are talking about what a person should buy here no? Market share has nothing to do with this, especially since you aren't trying to sell people stocks here.
Internet gun forum posters can be the stupidest and bitchiest people.
>>29565746
Get an M&P or FNS if you want cheap striker fired.
>>29560586
>6 shots
>harder follow up
Sure m8
>>29554609
>can't shoot any lead based bullets out of it
>isn't forgiving for those that accidentally limpwrist unlike the CZ 9mm pistol
>boring look
![18s0g3grlnxr5jpg[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/ivPYEe2.jpg "18s0g3grlnxr5jpg[1].jpg")
>>29565438
>>29565566
>you have to pull the trigger to disassemble
>implying you shouldn't always unload your gun before disassembly anyway
what pistols actually allow you to disassemble without pulling the trigger (ie, the gun can be disassembled when loaded) and when would this ever be useful?
am i just falling for idiots projecting their retardation on others?
>welp time to clean my glock
>hmm, the trigger is forward so the striker is cocked
>meh not going to bother to check the loaded chamber indicator
>meh not going to bother to remove the magazine or rack the slide
>might as well just pull the trigger and potentially fire the gun so i can start cleaning now
>WOWWW NEGLIGENT DISCHARGE GLOCK A SHIT
So I have a quick question for anybody who owns a Glock or is knowledgeable with them.
I've been in the market lately for a first gun, pistol obviously (no I don't want to hear that I should get a Mosin, I'm going to be moving into an apartment soon and need something for HD) and I was looking at either a Canik TP9SA (price is good, i hear they're great guns) or a Glock. Now for Glocks I was looking at either a Gen 3 Glock 22 or Gen 3 Glock 17. What would you recommend and why (Glock-wise, I don't want to hear how the TP9 is Turkroach shit.)
