Is there any downside to getting a upper receiver without a forward assist?
I've never had to use it and was looking at billeted receivers and the ones that don't have the forward assist just look so clean and sexy to me, but before i jump on it i want to know if perhaps there's something i'm overlooking here and without one i could potentially be fucking myself over so i want to hear some reason why this would be a bad decision.
>>29528724
no downside if you're only going to use it at a range and not in any other situation
I would prefer to have one and not need it if I ever found myself relying on my rifle to protect my life. This will probably never happen. The odds that you will both find yourself in combat and need to use your forward assist are almost zero. Get whatever Gucci shit floats your boat.
With proper maintenance the forward assist is never needed and is most often never even taught as part of the manual of arms for clearing a jam.
>>29528747
well what would be a situation in which it would be a fairly large factor
>>29528787
>for clearing a jam
How would a forward assist help to clear a jam?
>>29528860
Not him, but when the rifle doesn't go click, usually the cause is a bolt being incompletely seated... Which is what the assist is for. The other case being the firing assembly is fucked.
>>29528860
>checkm8 forward assist fags
Seriously though, I think he meant seating an out of battery bolt.
>>29528878
>>29528879
So not a jam at all?
Can you even pull the trigger on an out of battery bolt?
How do you tell the difference between a failure to fire and it just being out of battery?
I'm lucky enough to have not had my gun malfunction on me.
>>29528724
Do you buy a new car without a spare tire?
>>29528787
>With proper maintenance the forward assist is never needed and is most often never even taught as part of the manual of arms for clearing a jam.
fuck outta heahhhhhh fagget. US.mil teaches to use forward assist in normal manipulation of a rifle.
Also, cause I know you watch the fagpul videos, How you gonna -TAP- in tap,rack,bang if you missing the part that allows you to do such a thing?
>>29528934
Are you implying that you push the forward assist before you even chamber a round?
>>29528906
For me every time I hear a click and not a bang, I treat it as a FTF out of precaution. After waiting 15 seconds I'll eject the round onto the shooting table and inspect it. Every time so far it has been FTF's, (primer had definitely been struck), not out of battery issues. Yes, the hammer can work when the bolt is out of battery; out of battery discharges.
>>29528934
You tap the magazine, not the forward assist.
Mil does it because they are the ones that had it put there, ignorantly, and because the vast majority of their rifles are old and worn out.
Oh, this whole time I've used it to prime the gas.
>>29528948
Fucking yup. I was shooting with a marine buddy and he showed me how they train guys to do it inna Corps
>insert mag, pull down to make sure mag catch is engaged
>retract charging handle, chamber round
>then push forward assist to ensure proper seating of the bolt.
>????
>profit
>>29528906
>Can you even pull the trigger on an out of battery bolt?
only on semi-auto versions
>>29528948
What you said is on such a whole nother level of stupid, that even I cannot comprehend what you just said.
>>29528978
>You tap the magazine
what in the fuck??? if the mag aint properly seated, that bitch is gonna fall out on its own. you tap the FA, because if you dont, and there is a case in the chamber, and you rerack, you will get a doublefeed totalfuck, and sometimes will get the dreaded 'shell above gastube' and good luck with clearing that shit.
>>29529003
>>29529025
>tap
>rack
>bang
If it's done in that order, and the tap is referring to the forward assist and the rack is referring to cocking the gun, you're pushing on the forward assist without anything in the trailer.
i wandered in this thread from /mlp/ and i feel like im on mars right now.
>>29529003
this. you work it into your normal regimen.
>Slam mag home
>charge or bolt release
>firmly tap FA -TWICE-
>G2G
This keeps you from (in combat) sticking your head out, revealing your position, and having the hammer drop on an OoB and no bullet firing, then a noob doin a doublefeed and gettin a case stuck about the gas tube.
>>29529018
depends on the bolt. In Colt's AWB wisdom, they cut the moon off, and also chopped off some of the shroud around the firing pin and a square out the hammer, to keep people from removing the disconnector and having the hammer just ride the bolt and possibly go auto. But what it really did was just fuck up all kinds of shit.
>>29528724
I never hear of people using them in civilian life, and I rarely hear of them used in a military context.
The dust-cover is way more important (though for a range gun, you can technically do without that too).
Something you could do is to get an upper with a side-mounted reciprocating charging-handle, that way you won't need a forward assist at all.
>>29528934
Thank you for your cervix.
>>29529003
Further cementing the fact that 9/10 muhreens are mouthbreathers.
>>29529074
Kill the furries
>>29529060
>without anything in the trailer.
are you from India?
>>29529074
git back to your containment board ponifucker
>>29529091
>Something you could do is to get an upper with a side-mounted reciprocating charging-handle
Why dont you just tell him to get an AK?
Its not that complicated. Either get an AR with all its intended parts, or get an AK.
>>29529115
Because the Stoner system is better than the AK in my opinion.
>>29529115
are you from Russia?
>>29529091
I'm the marine buddy poster
He's actually pretty smart, he just used the military for college funding, and just graduated about a year ago.
He wasn't advocating the method, just explaining to me how fucking stupid it could be in the military before I enlisted.
>>29529175
>just
>just
>just
Jesus, I sound autistic.
>>29528934
>Do you buy a new car without a spare tire?
A lot of new cars don't come with spares, but instead come with fix-a-flat, or come with a tiny donut (which barely counts)
I've put 1400 rounds through an m4 in one day. After 1100 with no lube or cleaning the forward assist became occasionally necessary
>>29529206
>or come with a tiny donut
this is still a spare tire. I would never buy a car with a fuckin fix-a-flat. I have a hard time buying cars that come with Run-Flats
If you ever go to a junk yard and have a POS you really dont care about. Go buy 4 donuts and put it on that bitch, and go drive around in the rain.
![DSC02319[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/vUly6OT.jpg "DSC02319[1].jpg")
I haven't really had a problem with mine.
This is a competition style build, and despite it being extremely under gassed it hasn't had any real jamming issues.
>>29528724
You'll need to stop and clean it if you get shit in it.
>>29528724
The question is, why the fuck do you not have one?
Some legitimate uses in the real world for the fa
>rappelling down from a helicopter
>charging handle gets caught on your gear and bumps the bolt a bit back
>press on the fa
>can be used to help load a round in the chamber silently for whatever reason you may want to do that
>brass checking without removing your mag
The only time you should not have a foward assist is if you have an A1. Don't be a la la homo man.
so, this would be the ultimate "why the fuck not" upper
Slap the magazine
Pull the charging handle back
Observe the chamber
Release the charging handle
Tap the forward assist
Squeeze the trigger
![WP_20160405_004[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/y44B89b.jpg "WP_20160405_004[1].jpg")
>>29528724
>I've never had to use it
No one has ever had to use it until they had to use it.
>>29529253
>The only time you should not have a foward assist is if you have an A1
wrong frendo....A1 specifically calls for a FA. You are thinking XM177
>>29529413
>>29529414
whoa, speak of the devil....
>>29529413
>those potmetal casting flaws
>looks like the FA was machined with a angle grinder
jebus..... who made that A1 repro upper?
>>29529001
Should've said prime the gas system.
>>29528724
Slap Pull Observe Release Tap Squeeze
>>29529436
Colt.
>>29528934
>tap the forward assist
Lol
Holy shit the autism in this thread.
OP, if you don't want a forward assist, then don't get one. Don't argue about it for six hours on the internet like a fucking child.
>>29529521
op here i honestly have just been sitting back letting people discuss
>>29529491
weaksause shit. why would you go on the internet to tell lies? gb2 ur brony threads fagget. I shoulda became a janitor so I coulda trashed every fuckin post you make.
>>29529436
That's likely a used issue upper broski
>>29529233
>buying cars that come with Run-Flats
What cars come with run-flats?
I've used my FA a few times, but every time was because a friend thought they were being nice by not letting the bolt slam shut. Smacking the FA a few times is slightly easier than trying to charge it again without causing a double feed. Otherwise I have no use for a FA.
>>29529632
BMWs do I think
>>29529632
>What cars come with run-flats?
expensive ones.
>we put runflats on them, so you dont have to change a tire by the side of the road... totally not because every 4 cars we sell with runflats outfits another car with tires, and if you get a nail-hole in it, you gotta buy a ~$250 minimum tire!
>>29529253
>>29529414
Both the M16A1 and the XM177 featured a forward-assist.
>>29529293
I wanna put one of those on a CAV-15 lower.
>>29529253
>>29529414
>>29529753
To elaborate further, it was the M16 and the E1 that lack a FA.
Between the FA and full fence, people always seem to incorrectly sperg out about the A1
>>29528724
Billet receivers are inferior to forged except for appearance.
>if you're just buying the upper for appearance, who cares if it has a forward assist?
I don't have a forward assist on my .308. I've never shot it and thought "man I could really use a forward assist right about now... why am I talking to myself.... echo... huh? um no I'm just thinking out load"
>>29529795
And the cage hider. A lot of people seem to think the A1 needs the duck bill MD.
>>29529551
>colt has never done a shoddy job
>>29529795
I thought the e1 was the armys adaptation of the m16 with a fa, and a partial fence lower. Then the a1 had the chrome bores and had a full fence lower
>>29529753
Meant xm601.
https://bpullignwolnet.dotster.com/retroblackrifle/ModGde/RflGde/601.html
>>29529860
post full image of rifle
>>29530003
Thats not a colt newfag. That is some cheapass repro shit. There are no proof marks on that upper, at all. My guess is its a shit-tier upper made by McKay or such.
>>29530008
see>>29530016
>>29529491
Don't colt uppers usually have a "C" in the pocket below the rear sight? Mine does anyway, it says "C H"
>>29530032
>a shit-tier upper made by McKay
McKay doesn't make uppers....
>>29530050
>McKay doesn't make uppers....
still doesnt change fact its a shit-tier repro.
>>29530041
yes
>C H
>C inside Diamond
>other various markings
![WP_20160407_001[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/Asl56tQ.jpg "WP_20160407_001[1].jpg")
>>29530041
The ones not made for export probably do, as that's what the description APEX had for their refinished Colt A1 upeprs that I bought.
>mfw anon is so determined to descredit my build he has to make shit up
:^
>>29530077
Who the fuck besides nodakspud makes A1 upper repros? Can you name anyone at all?
>>29530120
if you want a slickside I kno of a place
>>29530103
youre not trolling anyone here faggot. That is not a colt. end. full stop. Do not pass go and collect $200.
>>29530182
The important thing is you tried. This is your last (you). :^
>>29530272
Why would you buy the upper individually instead of buying the parts kit for $500?
Also, it's not as though it would be the first time a gun company inaccurately marked their products.
>>29530305
Just stop dude.
>>29530305
the fucker is stupid. just dont reply.
>>29530077
Not true at all, a lot of uppers back in the day didn't have forge markings
>themoreyouknow
>>29530432
>>29530432
they still had the proof marks.
The day I take a 4chinzer's word over this guys here: https://bpullignwolnet.dotster.com/retroblackrifle/ModGde/RflGde/601.html
..........
>>29530457
>>29530478
Elisco is about as Colt as PTR is HK.
fuck outta heahhhh....
>>29530477
Actually only one of the three I linked had proof marks
>>29530502
yea, the one made by colt.
see >>29530497
>>29530614
Again, not true at all
Early M16 production was anything but consistent in most regards and that includes forging marks
Both of these uppers are Colt A1 assemblies and are without forging marks for example
While RBR is great for a broad coverage of the early ARs, he leaves a lot of details out
For instance, the H&R uppers only had forging codes on the back of their forward assists, which he makes no mention of
That could very well be what the upper in question is, certainly not a "repro"
>>29529003
This order of events contradicts your previous order for "tap, rack, bang" you ignorant slut. Also you mean "s.p.o.r.t.s." t.r.b. is term for handguns. Google is your friendo, also full of much more accurate info than pog friendo.
>>29530726
Find me a A1 upper with a "star" forge code
>>29529025
Hahahahahaha
Hahahahaha
Hahahahahahahahaha
Wew lad, nice try dumbass. Real life isn't like your animes. I don't know who's dumber, your stupidass pog mil friend who gleaned this knowledge and shared it with you or you for believing him so blindly.
>>29529089
So hey dumbass that order of evwnts would be.
Slam
Rack
Tap
Tap
Bang
>>29529115
Implying Forw.Ass. was an originally designed intended part. Kek
>>29530887
I'm not really knowledgeable on that
Colt,and others, did export a great deal of A1 components when the US started arming antisocialist regimes around the globe, and even sent tooling over licensed productions
In either case, the chances of that being a repro upper are slim to none, as no one really made repro A1 uppers until Nodak started
There was no need when there were plenty of authentic A1 uppers to be had, which was the case until recently
The upper also looks refinished which could make finding proof marks rather difficult
If you have any documentation of A1 upper repros that preceded Nodak runs I'd be very interested to see them because as far as I know there was no such thing
